From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #216 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 27 2001 Volume 10 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dont mess with the frenchmen!!!! [Stephen Mahoney ] books/your specialist subject [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: read ye or no ["John Bastin" ] Re: books/your specialist subject [Jeff Dwarf ] Books [Mike Swedene ] Re: books ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: whatcha readin'? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: them thing what got wurd down in them writ big bunches, yeah? ["Andre] Re: books/your specialist subject [The Great Quail ] letters, we get letters [dmw ] Re: worst book ever ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: dont mess with the frenchmen!!!! excerpt from a chicago tribune article: "Food is a topic dear to Bove's heart. He has been milking sheep to make Roquefort cheese for the past 25 years. The 47-year-old Bove has the tanned, weathered look of a peasant farmer. He sports a handlebar mustache and often has a pipe in his mouth. Born in Bordeaux, he learned English while spending three years of his early childhood in California while his parents, both biochemists, conducted research at Berkeley. But this cowpoke image belies his activist nature. Bove heads the Confederation Paysanne, a union of French farmers. He says an idol is Henry David Thoreau, the 19th Century American social critic. Bove and his cohorts took a tractor, pickaxes and power saws to the local McDonald's in August 1999, shortly after the WTO approved an increase in U.S. taxes against French delicacies such as Roquefort cheese in retaliation for Europe's decision to ban imports of hormone-treated American beef. The stunt landed Bove in jail. He refused to pay bail for three weeks in protest. Supporters, many of them American farmers, raised the money to free him. The protest turned into more than just a defense of small farmers against international trade rules crafted by bureaucrats. Bove used McDonald's to symbolize the growing threat to French identity from the American-led global economy. "The WTO is telling us what we have to eat," Bove said. "In France, nobody agrees with this." The message struck a chord with the French public, whose culture is defined largely by its food. French cuisine is something to be savored, while the best-known American food, fast food, is picked up at a drive-through window. Bove became known as the "Robin Hood of Roquefort." - -Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:31:32 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: you will be synchronicity - Re: "GodMart" At 12:33 PM 5/26/01 -0700, Sirloin Stockade wrote: >"GodMart" Just wanted to point out that in '99, when I finally got up the nerve to leave the giant church from the giant denomination that was doing me damage, I wrote a song called "GodMart." That is all. dolph who has been listening to Talk Talk, just finished watching "Johnny Dangerously," and is reading Stephen King's _Dark Tower_ series. Remember the 80s??!? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: you will be synchronicity - Re: "GodMart" try this one on for size: mr.mister's kaylie(a) is stuck in my head ohhhhh I need some "europa and the pirate twins" to flush it out!!!!!! - -mahoney > dolph > who has been listening to Talk Talk, just finished watching "Johnny > Dangerously," and is reading Stephen King's _Dark Tower_ series. Remember > the 80s??!? > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Into Thin Air Mike wrote this regarding the book Into Thin Air: "The image of one of the guides being stuck on top of the mountain when a satellite call gets patched through from his wife in New Zealand, and them talking and trying to sound optimistic when they both know it's the last time they're ever going to speak to each other, is heartbreaking. (The call was picked up by climbers lower on the mountain. The guide was never seen again.)" Well, this was heartbreaking on paper, but it was REALLY heartbreaking watching it. I don't remember if they showed this on NOVA or in the IMAX movie called Everest, but the audience got to see the men in the tent and hear the conversation which they patched between New Zealand and Rob Hall, who was up at about 27-28K feet and who clearly wasn't going to make it through the night. I was a blubbery mess afterwards. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 02:36:41 +0100 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: books/your specialist subject dmw said: >Stephen Fry not only plays the imperturbable Jeeves in the swell BBC >series, he's also not at all a bad novelist. and a pretty reasonable autobiographer, too. He was also in a great sketch TV series that never really caught on but which I loved, called "A bit of Fry and Laurie" with his Jeeves and Wooster co-star Hugh Laurie. Talking of whom, can anyone out there confirm or deny that Hugh Laurie is related to Dad's Army stalwart John "we're all doomed!" Laurie? >>my partner's just finished reading a Salman Rushdie book which is filled >>with rock music in-jokes and references. He knows his rock music better >>than I would have expected, by the sound of it. She gave it a tentative >>thumbs up, although she said bits of it don't hang well together. Sadly I >>can't remember the title - anyone? > >Rushdie's new one is a pomo retelling of the Orpheus story, and is >called "The Ground Beneath Her Feet." It is indeed filled with >musical in-jokes, puns, and literary allusions. In order to research >how a huge rock band operates, Rushdie toured with U2; though the >central band in the book is nothing like them. That's the one! I can remember Alice being delighted at a Patti Smith-like character called Louise Reed, and her husband Lawrie Anderson, among other things. >>i get these sorts of questions on a fairly regular basis. i imagine eb >>fields similar queries regarding claudine. > >Top three questions, which dominate far beyond all others: >1. "What is Claudine doing, nowadays?" [um...hanging in Aspen with her >hubby, as far as I know] >2. "Do you have any current pictures of Claudine?" [no] >3. "Do you have the lyrics for 'Nothing to Lose'?" [no, and I really should >transcribe/post them, one of these days] I suspect that any Feg with a specialist area gets the occasional question (funnily enough, I get the odd question about the Chills, Clean, Verlaines, etc). TGQ, do you get people asking obscure Joyce questions? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:26:30 -0300 From: "John Bastin" Subject: Re: read ye or no I highly recommend "Voss" by Nobel Prize winner Patrick White to all feggots. Anybody out there read this one? Brilliant, brilliant piece of work. Cheers... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: books/your specialist subject James Dignan wrote: > I suspect that any Feg with a specialist area gets the occasional > question (funnily enough, I get the odd question about the Chills, so what ARE the words to "heavenly pop hit?" > Clean, Verlaines, > etc). TGQ, do you get people asking obscure Joyce questions? ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:30:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Books I just recently finished reading the LOTR books (Hobbit included) and now I am on the Harry Potter series. I have been stuck on book 4 since I have returned to school to obtain another degree and they make me read stuff that SUCKS, or is really bad. As far as Sci-Fi, I recomend PHILLIP K. DICK "DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP?" which was later made into a small movie by a director that might have been mentioned on the list before ;) Or the Dune books were really cool too (imho). Have a safe holiday weekend (for all the Americans on here) and g'day to our buddy in NZ :) Herbie np - Soft Boys Knitting Factory (4/10/2001) Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:15:36 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: books on 5/25/01 4:55 PM, Ken Ostrander at kenster@MIT.EDU wrote: >> The *worst* book I ever read > > i'm gonna say american psycho by bret easton ellis. I think I've "defended" Ellis on this list before so I won't repeat myself. I'll just say that unless you take "worst" to mean "most difficult to read" (lengthy passages of that book are stomach- and brain-turning, to be sure...then again, have you ever read EXQUISITE CORPSE by Poppy Z. Brite?), I would say that THE ROAD TO MARS by Eric Idle was easily much worse than any nihilism Ellis has ever turned out. I'm sure there are other examples but my brain is tired. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:16:48 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: whatcha readin'? on 5/25/01 5:38 PM, Glen Uber at uberg@sonic.net wrote: > The book I couldn't wait to finish was The Scarlet Letter which was forced > upon my bored, rebellious mind when I was a 16-year-old who had just > discovered weed, Bob Dylan and my own dick. *16*??? I think I was 4. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:19:22 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: them thing what got wurd down in them writ big bunches, yeah? on 5/25/01 5:48 PM, dmw at dmw@radix.net wrote: > Stephen Fry not only plays the imperturbable Jeeves in the swell BBC > series, he's also not at all a bad novelist. I read both _Making History_ > and _The Hippopotamus_ and enjoyed 'em both a fair bit, "History" rather He also wrote THE LIAR, which is also very very good and perhaps a bit more autobiographical. I would rate it a bit more convincing than THE HIPPOPOTAMUS and better edited than the sometimes self-indulgent MAKING HISTORY. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:41:30 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: books/your specialist subject James asks, >TGQ, do you get people asking obscure Joyce questions? Oh my God yes, and idiotic non-obscure questions, and questions on Borges, Pynchon, Beckett, etc. As well as frequent ALL CAPS DEMANDS that I send the person a report on Joyce in ONE DAY, or something like that. And of course the occasional bit of hate mail -- either "James Joyce is an IDIOT and you are a CHARLATAN," or "It is obvious to me you don't understand a word Umberto Eco has ever written, blah blah..." In fact, I get about 20+ "unsolicited" messages each day regarding The Modern Word sites (We have about 110,000 visitors each month now for 4.2 million hits); and about 1-3 emails each day for the "New York by Night" Vampire site I run -- those can be pretty wild, actually. My favorite are poor souls who are *convinced* I really know where actual vampires are in NYC or something.... On the other hand, most of the email I get is pretty cool, and I have made many online buddies and associates, so it's worth the occasional gothic weirdo or lazy student. I do have FAQ pages on all my sites that did cut down on some of the more obnoxious or obtrusive email.... - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: letters, we get letters On Sun, 27 May 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > like that. And of course the occasional bit of hate mail -- either > "James Joyce is an IDIOT and you are a CHARLATAN," or "It is obvious > to me you don't understand a word Umberto Eco has ever written, blah > blah..." i get lots of e-mail from people who want me to do their comparitive analyses for them, or find them a copy of an obscure book/record/film. also a good bit of why-haven't-you-reviewed-my-band. my all-time favorite though, is the death threat i got for my pan of _Stargate_. in was dancing around ecstatic for weeks. - -- indie snob jerkwad = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 19:50:35 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: worst book ever >From: Ken Ostrander >Subject: Re: books > >>The *worst* book I ever read > >i'm gonna say american psycho by bret easton ellis. and >From: "victorian squid" >Subject: Re: books > >Wow, that is amazing. The worst book I ever read is "Less Than Zero", also by >Bret Easton Ellis. "People on LA freeways are afraid to merge". Wow, >that's, like >deep. This kills me. My short story writing professor at LSU, James Gordon Bennet (what is it with three names?) had taught Brett Easton Ellis, and even helped him with an early draft of "Less Than Zero" iirc. Mr. Bennett once began a class by expressing his disappointment in the fact that Mr. Ellis had scored a big book and movie deal without giving Mr. Bennett any credit. And then some Hollywood hotshot named Stephen Soderberg closed my neighborhood bar, The Bayou, to shoot some film called "sex, lies, and videotape." The first time I visited a bookstore in Washington, DC, the discount racks all had books by the faculty from my university's English department: Andrei Condrescu, Moira Crone, Rodger Kamenetz, James Gordon Bennett, etc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #216 ********************************