From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #214 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 10 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- words, words, words ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re:feg reading [Stephen Mahoney ] dead trees ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: dead trees [Stephen Mahoney ] feg reading p.s. ["ross taylor" ] what's the worst book you ever read? [Carole Reichstein ] books and a plea for help [Jill Brand ] whatcha readin'? [Eclipse ] words, words, words & Voyager finale ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Re: books and a plea for help [steve ] RE: books and a plea for help ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: words, words, words & Voyager finale ["Randy R." Subject: words, words, words Ahh, the book thread rises again... A very interesting book I finished recently was "Native Tongue," by Suzette Haden Elgin. It takes place in a future in which women are completely subservient to men and linguists are vitally important to global economy because only they can translate the languages of aliens who engage in trade with Earth. (This part was not explained very well, nor was the origin of this new female subservience.) Some women linguists are secretly creating a new, gynocentric language which they hope will transform the world and set women free - the premise being that language changes thought. I'm not sure I agree with this, but it's an intriguing premise. While sick in bed with a violent bout of stomach flu, I read "A Maggot," by John Fowles. It takes place in 1736 and involves a nobleman's mysterious disappearance while on an equally mysterious journey, accompanied by several servants whose stories of the disappearance all differ. As with Fowles's "The French Lieutentant's Woman," the historical detail is impeccable and the writing is superb. I also re-read Vol. 1 of Peter Bagge's "Hate" compilations. I had forgotten how good it is. Viva Buddy Bradley! And Stinky too! n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re:feg reading Seamus is a wonderful poet methinks. I also like e.e.cummings eyethink his poetry canbe visual; attimes. I watched a cool video that had visual settings while he read his non-leactures...it was a creative biography. On Fri, 25 May 2001, ross taylor wrote: > > I'm just finishing Seamus Heaney's translation > of Beowulf--beautiful language, & fun to see > where half the sci-fi monster films I've seen > must have come from. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:48:03 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: dead trees >From: Marshall Needleman Armintor > Jorie Graham. Start (or stop, as well) with _The Dream of the Unified >Field_; the only American poet, in my opinion, whose work is worth >following... She read at UR a few years ago. I recall it as being pretty unbearable, with the occasional flash of interest. Maybe she's better read and not heard? >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > >I'm surprised no-one mentioned Margaret Atwood. Her earlier works (and >short stories) tend to the hilarious. She's got a bit self-conscious of >late, alas. > >The only bit of "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius" worth a damn >[...] Get out of my head! Or, if you can get me books for 40 cents, maybe, don't get out of my head. My favorite Atwood books have been _The Handmaid's Tale_, _Cat's Eye_, _Lady Oracle_, and _The Robber Bride_, but they're all excellent. If you like dark, try _Surfacing_, _Life Before Man_, or _Bodily Harm_; for light, go for _The Edible Woman_ or the _Good Bones_ (sometimes b/w _Simple Murders_) collection. Ugh. I have to drop those underscores, don't I? >From: "ross taylor" > >And finally, a couple of years ago, but very >feggish, "The Roaches Have No King" by Daniel >Weiss. You see the guy who lives in this >apartment has a nice, messy, hippie girlfriend >but she leaves and his next girlfriend is a >neat freak and this is like the end of the world >for the protagonist, a roach. So the roach & >his buddies/family etc. try to get rid of the >neat girlfriend. Did you like the film adaptation (Joe's Apartment)? :) - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: dead trees I think poetry should be read aloud. A poet should be able to read their own work So maybe its not the listeners cup of tea? On Fri, 25 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >From: Marshall Needleman Armintor > > Jorie Graham. Start (or stop, as well) with _The Dream of the Unified > >Field_; the only American poet, in my opinion, whose work is worth > >following... > > She read at UR a few years ago. I recall it as being pretty > unbearable, with the occasional flash of interest. Maybe she's > better read and not heard? > > >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > > > >I'm surprised no-one mentioned Margaret Atwood. Her earlier works (and > >short stories) tend to the hilarious. She's got a bit self-conscious of > >late, alas. > > > >The only bit of "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius" worth a damn > >[...] > > Get out of my head! > > Or, if you can get me books for 40 cents, maybe, don't get out of my head. > > My favorite Atwood books have been _The Handmaid's Tale_, _Cat's Eye_, _Lady > Oracle_, and _The Robber Bride_, but they're all excellent. If you like dark, > try _Surfacing_, _Life Before Man_, or _Bodily Harm_; for light, go for _The > Edible Woman_ or the _Good Bones_ (sometimes b/w _Simple Murders_) collection. > > Ugh. I have to drop those underscores, don't I? > > >From: "ross taylor" > > > >And finally, a couple of years ago, but very > >feggish, "The Roaches Have No King" by Daniel > >Weiss. You see the guy who lives in this > >apartment has a nice, messy, hippie girlfriend > >but she leaves and his next girlfriend is a > >neat freak and this is like the end of the world > >for the protagonist, a roach. So the roach & > >his buddies/family etc. try to get rid of the > >neat girlfriend. > > Did you like the film adaptation (Joe's Apartment)? :) > > -- > Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com > http://www.stormgreen.com/ > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:21:31 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: feg reading p.s. It's friday! before a long weekend! & we're on books! so a couple more things-- Marshall Needleman Armintor >Jorie Graham. Start (or stop, as well) with _The Dream of the Unified >Field_; the only American poet, in my opinion, whose work is worth >following...well, there's Robert Haas, too... Hass was my teacher my 1st year, er, 1974. So I'm biased, but he is still one of my favs, even if he doesn't remember me. I think he does the surreal fractures plus straight, emotional language thing very well, and I trust his overview of of what's going on in poetry. I like Rita Dove's column on poetry in the Wash. Post fine, but I think his (previous, for at least a couple of years) column was the best thing on poetry I've seen in a big public medium. Apparently he had a small part as a dying poet in a recent film called "Wildflowers" that I've heard extremely negative reviews of from folks who like Hass. I like Jorie Grahm too, but sometimes find her a bit cold. Obviously I think there are tons of others worth following. Dignan calling me on John v. Paul-- I know, I know. A fellow from the Procol list put up an IMO very interesting piece on John & Beatles harmonies called "Boys Will Be Girl Groups, or the Johnettes" at: http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/beatles/btt/boys.htm John Hedges-- >frankly, if it's even vaguely similar to Richard Brautigan, I'd probably throw it away after 15 pages or less C'mon, Brautigan's the literary equivalent of Country Joe & the Fish, not *the* best in show for a style, but interesting & extremely evocative of a scene. Ross Taylor! Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: what's the worst book you ever read? I'm enjoying these "what's on your nightstand?" posts. I just finished reading "Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich (sp?) and "Fast Food Nation," which makes me want to start a macrobiotic diet. The *worst* book I ever read, however, was required reading for an English lit class in 1992. "Far Tortuga" by Peter Mathiessen. Ugh! I kept falling asleep reading it! Fortunately, some of the chapters were only one page, so I could suffer through it faster. Who wants to read about some guys hanging out in a boat, waiting to spear a big turtle? Not me. I also couldn't stand "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Supposedly, this is a highly spiritual and "important" book, but I just couldn't get over the fact that it was basically about a gorilla telepathically talking to some guy. I got about halfway through and stopped. As an employee of Powell's Technical Books, I can certainly vouch for Jeme's love of O'Reilly computer book titles. He used to be able to recite a title just by someone saying "Owl!" or "Camel!" (O'Reilly puts animals on the cover of its books, you see). Jeme says he's out of practice now. In general, technical books don't thrill me, except for Robin Wlliams' design books. But I just discovered Christopher Alexander's architecture book called "A Pattern Language," which is a totally brilliant study on how people should live in their homes and communities. I just bought a used copy, much to the dismay of my sister Karen, who wanted it first (sorry! too late!). Carole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: what's the worst book you ever read? On Fri, 25 May 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > > I also couldn't stand "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Supposedly, this is a > highly spiritual and "important" book, but I just couldn't get over the > fact that it was basically about a gorilla telepathically talking to some > guy. I got about halfway through and stopped. > think some people have agreed that its not a great literary work but that its ideas about the world are profound...if you can get past the telepathic gorilla then you will discover something which could change your worldview forever, especially if you liked fast food nation. Thomas Malthus was the first to talk about the ratio of food produced to the rising number of people on the planet back in the 1790's, think he ran into trouble for those ideas too. just my 2 cents worth! - -mahoney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: what's the worst book you ever read? On Fri, 25 May 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > As an employee of Powell's Technical Books, I can certainly vouch for > Jeme's love of O'Reilly computer book titles. He used to be able to > recite a title just by someone saying "Owl!" or "Camel!" (O'Reilly > puts animals on the cover of its books, you see). Jeme says he's out > of practice now. Mastering Regular Expressions. Programming Perl. I can still do it... but only with the un*x titles. I couldn't, for example, tell you whats on any of the Oracle or Win32 books. Is it just me, or is it about time that O'Reilly put out a TeX book? > In general, technical books don't thrill me, except for Robin Wlliams' > design books. These are quite good. We use them here at the office all the time. > But I just discovered Christopher Alexander's architecture book called > "A Pattern Language," which is a totally brilliant study on how people > should live in their homes and communities. I just bought a used copy, > much to the dismay of my sister Karen, who wanted it first (sorry! too > late!). A used copy is QUITE a find! If I recall, I paid $60 for mine. It is a really good book, but there's one strange thing about it... It's written with this sort of full knowledge that it will never be realized. It's like this: "Here is how you can live. Make sure you have these patterns in your spaces and everything will be better. What? You say you've incorporated most of these patterns into your living spaces and things still aren't better? Well, did you move to a city with multi-family domicile clusters? Well, there's your problem, then." It's like the authors can make any claim they like because it ain't never gonna happen. Oh, and I'm a little upset when folks call it "Christopher Alexander's" book... note there are several authors on the cover. He led the research group that wrote the book, but I really suspect that the majority of the ideas came either from the others or were developed collectively. I'd really like to get the other two books in the trilogy. If you see used copies, Carole, let me know! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: books and a plea for help I found A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius really uneven, but the good stuff was great. I thought that "the Real World as a vehicle for explaining past events" section became somewhat tedious, but all in all, I'm glad I read it. Has anyone read White Teeth? Definitely the funniest book I've read in ages - a definite must for those who love things British (and the Kinks AND Waterloo Sunset are mentioned more than once!). It's also by a first-time author. God, I wish I had time to read seven books a month, but I'm lucky if I get through two. But there is someone in my house who eats books three meals a day, and that is my twelve-year-old son. And that's where I need your help. Many (if not most) of you are sci-fi/fantasy readers, but I'm not. When I tried to read LOTR in high school (about three times), I gave up and went back to Dickens and Dostoevsky. My son reads sci-fi/fantasy almost exclusively, but he seems to be running out of books, and I am no help whatsoever in this area. He loves Lloyd Alexander, Phillip Pullman, Diana Wynne Jones, David Eddings, JK Rowling (duh), Brian Jacques, and Madeleine L'Engle. If any of you has the time or inclination, could you write me off-list with some recommendations? Is there anything by Ursula LeGuin that a 12-year-old boy can read? I'm not a prude (it would be hard to be a fegprude, no?), but there is stuff that a kid that age simply doesn't get (this reminds me of the argument that I had with my father when he told me that I was simply too young at age 13 to read Death in Venice - he was right). Anyway, all help will be appreciated. Jill, who *does* love Harry Potter, Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., and Jeff Noon, but HATED the two Diskworld (sp?) books that her niece gave her as a present ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: whatcha readin'? i'm on vacation in boston this week, but here's what i've been digesting lately on planes and such: "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim. an autobiographical account of pimping and streetlife in the 40's. quite raw, filled with ghetto slang (from the 40's), and an absolutely fascinating read. this guy had a smart head on his shoulders, even if it wasn't always on straight. "A Deepness In The Sky" by Vernor Vinge. supposedly a sibling book to the awesome "A Fire Upon The Deep", it takes place in the same universe, but in another time. haven't started it yet, but it'll be the next thing i read. i read a lot of magazines, also; my current favorites are "Giant Robot", a zine devoted to Asian pop-culture; "Bizarre", a brit mag filled with weird pictures, weird people, weird stories, sex, fetish gear, and all kinds of awe-inducing factiods and whatnot; "Mode", a fashion rag for girls who look more like Kate Dillon than Kate Moss (size 16 instead of size 2); "Lapidary Journal", a trade journal for jewelry-smiths; "Bead and Button", whose content should be fairly obvious; and a few other assorted mags like Wired and Official Playstation and other video-game rags. my book list is short, which tells me i need to hit a bookstore soon, but reading magazines is good filler, even if it's not always educational. :) hungrily, Eclipse np: the pimple commercial tune from "Putney Swope", over and over again, in my head. make it stop!! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:09:26 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: words, words, words & Voyager finale on lit: multiple books at once seems to be the way to go.... my current occupation: - -Meridian by Alice Walker - -Shared Anxieties (collected plays) by George Walker (no relation tee hee) - -Masks of God (Vol.1 Primitive Mythology) by Joseph Campbell - -Children of the Raven (NW Amerindian history of conflict/interaction with European invaders) by R.L. May recently read: - -a ton of plays, as my production company was deciding on our "season", including: Israel Horowitz (many random gems) Richard Greenberg ("Life Underwater") Edward Albee ("Finding the Sun") George Walker ("Theatre of the Film Noir"), and many more - -Rashomon, both the turn of the last century stories and the 1940's stage play; already familiar with the superb Kurosawa film - -Dan Yack by Blaise Cendrars; quirky nad saucy but a bit dull after awhile, can't hold a candle to Moravagine by the same. - -From Hell by Alan Moore (words) and Eddie Campbell (pictures); graphic novel of the Whitechapel murders that has an appendix as thick as the main body of work, supporting the theory of a royal cover-up and free mason assassin behind the murders. - -David Boring by Daniel Clowes; recently discovered Mr. Clowes and have yet to be disappointed by anything he has written/drawn from "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron" to "Ghostworld" I recommend George Walker, a Canadian playwright, and Israel Horowitz, Mass. playwright and proud Beastie Boy papa, even if you are not a theatre bug. My company here in Portland ORE ("Call in Sick") will produce plays by each in the coming year. Walker's play get quite a lot of attention in this town. Other local small venues have produced and are going to produce some of his works. Believe it or not, Meridian is the first Alice Walker I have ever picked up; just haven't gotten around to Color Purple or any of her other writings. My book diet is so voracious and often meandering that things do sometimes slip through the cracks. Meridian, I believe, is her first novel. I am enjoying it quite a bit. From what little I know of the author personally, she has reflected in her protagonist pieces of her young idealist self. The character and style are sweet and simple. What prompted me to finally pick her up was an article in the most recent issue of the Utne Reader, her "prayer" invocation for Mumia and others rotting on death row. on Star Trek finale: morbid curiosity drew me to the final gasps of the latest series. I was hoping they would kill Janeway for real. I, however, do not favor time travel scenarios as they are usually full of holes and impossible to reconcile logically to the fictional storyline. Don't get me wrong, I think the concepts of temporal displacement are fascinating, but often too problematic for a serial television show/franchise. I have always been a big ST fan and will even admit some affinity for random episodes of Voyager (always for the writing or plots, as opposed to dialogue) though I find the characters and actors to be among the weakest in the oeuvre. happy four day weekend to all the wage slave slobs out there in fun-ko-land! I have a stage combat workshop all weekend and I'm dusting off my baseball bat in preparation for the one-act I'm directing this summer! anybody else have plans? BBQ? Adventure? Sloth? Kenneth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: funny book titles some funny book titles actual titles that the li berry got, uh, I mean has. telling lies for fun and profit practical mysticism soul mate dolls be your own therapist what to say when you talk to yourself On Fri, 25 May 2001, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > on lit: > multiple books at once seems to be the way to go.... > my current occupation: > -Meridian by Alice Walker > -Shared Anxieties (collected plays) by George Walker (no relation tee hee) > -Masks of God (Vol.1 Primitive Mythology) by Joseph Campbell > -Children of the Raven (NW Amerindian history of conflict/interaction with > European invaders) by R.L. May > > recently read: > -a ton of plays, as my production company was deciding on our "season", > including: Israel Horowitz (many random gems) Richard Greenberg ("Life > Underwater") Edward Albee ("Finding the Sun") George Walker ("Theatre of the > Film Noir"), and many more > -Rashomon, both the turn of the last century stories and the 1940's stage > play; already familiar with the superb Kurosawa film > -Dan Yack by Blaise Cendrars; quirky nad saucy but a bit dull after awhile, > can't hold a candle to Moravagine by the same. > -From Hell by Alan Moore (words) and Eddie Campbell (pictures); graphic > novel of the Whitechapel murders that has an appendix as thick as the main > body of work, supporting the theory of a royal cover-up and free mason > assassin behind the murders. > -David Boring by Daniel Clowes; recently discovered Mr. Clowes and have yet > to be disappointed by anything he has written/drawn from "Like a Velvet > Glove Cast in Iron" to "Ghostworld" > > I recommend George Walker, a Canadian playwright, and Israel Horowitz, Mass. > playwright and proud Beastie Boy papa, even if you are not a theatre bug. > My company here in Portland ORE ("Call in Sick") will produce plays by each > in the coming year. Walker's play get quite a lot of attention in this > town. Other local small venues have produced and are going to produce some > of his works. > Believe it or not, Meridian is the first Alice Walker I have ever picked up; > just haven't gotten around to Color Purple or any of her other writings. My > book diet is so voracious and often meandering that things do sometimes slip > through the cracks. Meridian, I believe, is her first novel. I am enjoying > it quite a bit. From what little I know of the author personally, she has > reflected in her protagonist pieces of her young idealist self. The > character and style are sweet and simple. What prompted me to finally pick > her up was an article in the most recent issue of the Utne Reader, her > "prayer" invocation for Mumia and others rotting on death row. > > on Star Trek finale: > morbid curiosity drew me to the final gasps of the latest series. I was > hoping they would kill Janeway for real. I, however, do not favor time > travel scenarios as they are usually full of holes and impossible to > reconcile logically to the fictional storyline. Don't get me wrong, I think > the concepts of temporal displacement are fascinating, but often too > problematic for a serial television show/franchise. > I have always been a big ST fan and will even admit some affinity for random > episodes of Voyager (always for the writing or plots, as opposed to > dialogue) though I find the characters and actors to be among the weakest in > the oeuvre. > > happy four day weekend to all the wage slave slobs out there in fun-ko-land! > I have a stage combat workshop all weekend and I'm dusting off my baseball > bat in preparation for the one-act I'm directing this summer! > anybody else have plans? BBQ? Adventure? Sloth? > > Kenneth > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:32:56 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: books and a plea for help On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 02:50 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > My son reads sci-fi/fantasy almost exclusively, but he seems to be > running out > of books, and I am no help whatsoever in this area. He loves Lloyd > Alexander, Phillip Pullman, Diana Wynne Jones, David Eddings, JK Rowling > (duh), Brian Jacques, and > Madeleine L'Engle. I don't see any SF above. The Pip & Flinx books by Alan Dean Foster should be OK, and the Heinlein young adult novels. The Lensman books by E. E. "Doc" Smith. The Well of Souls books by Jack Chalker. The Darkover books by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Any SF by Andre Norton. Almost anything published by the Atheneum imprint, but you'd probably have to find them used. Titles like The Luck Of Brin's Five by Cherry Wilder or The Forgotten Beasts Of Eld by Patricia McKillip (fantasy, obviously). The Pern books by Anne McCaffrey. The Amber books, and maybe Lord Of Light, by Roger Zelazny. Biting The Sun by Tanith Lee is YA, but might be a tad too old for a 12 year old. Lee's Unicorn trilogy might be OK. The Foundation and Robot novels by Asimov. The City And The Stars by Clarke. Most of the SF published before 1965 or so tends to be pretty kid friendly. Maybe the Uplift novels by David Brin (haven't read them). I don't think you'd get in much trouble with anything I've listed above, but I've posted this to the list just in case someone thinks otherwise. > Is there anything by Ursula LeGuin that a 12-year-old boy can read? The Earthsea books, at least. Of course, just as soon as he hits 15, you've got to start him on the Philip K. Dick. - - Steve Try this: http://falcon.jmu.edu/~ramseyil/scifiction.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:49:12 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: books and a plea for help Steve: >Of course, just as soon as he hits 15, you've got to start him on the >Philip K. Dick. Yowsa! Ummm, 15 huh? I'm all for PKD, but I don't know when his stuff becomes age appropriate. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:04:39 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: words, words, words & Voyager finale Someone wrote........... > > on Star Trek finale: > morbid curiosity drew me to the final gasps of the latest series. I was > hoping they would kill Janeway for real. I, however, do not favor time > travel scenarios as they are usually full of holes and impossible to > reconcile logically to the fictional storyline. Don't get me wrong, I think > the concepts of temporal displacement are fascinating, but often too > problematic for a serial television show/franchise. > I have always been a big ST fan and will even admit some affinity for random > episodes of Voyager (always for the writing or plots, as opposed to > dialogue) though I find the characters and actors to be among the weakest in > the oeuvre. All too true. I might glance at an episode here and there, but to me the series had run it's mark. I saw Deep Space 9 once, and Capt. Janeways voice was annoying. But for Star Trek to be Roddenberry style, you must have women in tight skirts, a suave captian, and an alien (Spock or Data) who has trouble figuring it all out. and Geddy Lee (did I just say that?). The new series should be interesting. Bakula is a decent actor but without Rodenberry's directing, it might crash. and I miss the bantering between Kirk and Spock--- Tribbles- " but they like you Mr. Spock" "Tribbles are obviously very perceptive creatures, Captain" Vince ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #214 ********************************