From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #206 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 19 2001 Volume 10 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- moms and bodies [Jill Brand ] Re: 1986 [Jeff Dwarf ] feg moms [jill sunderlin ] it's not a movie, it's a FILM ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] it's not a film, it's a thin layer of soap scum [dmw ] Re: it's not a film, it's a thin layer of soap scum [Eb ] Et tu, Glory Spikes? ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Et tu, Glory Spikes? ["victorian squid" ] Re: goo goo ga zzzzzz... [JH3 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: moms and bodies Yes, Kay, the reason I wrote that thing about labor and delivery was to see if there are any other moms on this list. We might be it, honey. It seems to me that the minute you have a kid, the concept of a/the "big moment" shifts from first having sex to cleansing breaths and pushing. It's great being a fegmom if you've got fegkids, I must say. I didn't have fegkids till two months ago, however, because I thought Robyn was far too weird for them. And, as I've said ad nauseum since I joined the list, that is why I banned Robyn (mostly) from my life till the Soft Boys gig, when the floodgates broke. I think the fact that my children knew virtually every Kinks song and every Gilbert and Sullivan operetta somehow prepared them for Robyn. My 9-year-old loves I Wanna Destroy You because she hates Dubyah (now why would that be?) and my 12-year-old loves Uncorrected Personality traits because, well, he's 12. He also came running into the kitchen the other day with his classical guitar in hand yelling "Listen to this" ... and played the beginning of Glass Hotel. And he's a Pisces. Oy. I'll probably face serious consequences soon because, whilst listening to one of the live SB shows today when I thought the kids were outside, I found my daughter and her friend dancing to Rock and Roll Toilet in my kitchen. Can't wait to find out whether that made it home or not. I liked what Jeme and Kay had to say about bodies and sex and self-perception. Yes, as a gangly giant of a lad, Robyn probably found his awkwardness a major stumbling block. However, if he had gangled over to me, I certainly would have gangled back. And he is over a foot taller than I am. I think there is more to his obsession with sex (or our obsession with what we think is his obsession with sex). Just so you all know, sex is alive and kicking in the life of 40+ individuals, but it, on some levels, seems so silly. And it is so overpowering. Robyn fully acknowledges, in my mind, the improbability of the sexual act while recognizing how irresistible it is. He also understands that idealized love and enraged love can co-exist. Songs like Beautiful Girl are not later creations which obviate the meaning of songs like Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl (which my daughter has been singing a bit too much recently) and Insanely Jealous; they can go side-by-side and be about the same object of desire depending on the mood that we are in. Oh, and Kay, there was a point where we thought we might be the same person, but now I know that we are not. I have never been skinny and tall; I have always been a little round (though not too terribly) and short, short, short. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: 1986 - --- =b wrote: > On Fri, 18 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: > > > I just wanted to put into that dead thread about best year of the > eighties > > for records. > > i am going to have to go even later and say 1990 (it's still part of > the > 80's, it's the tenth year.) > > Eye > Flood > The Stone Roses came out in 1989. > Twin Peaks Soundtrack > Life > Pigeonhole > Same Place the Fly Got Smashed > > and a hole mess of others i had in mind but lost.... ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:47:19 -0400 From: jill sunderlin Subject: feg moms yo-- here's another feg mom. My daughter Zoe has always loved Robyn's music as well -- maybe hearing him play live twice while in utero has something to do with it. The two songs she's gotten hung up on at various times, and made us play over and over again, are the "Cheese song", and Queen Elvis (not that she understands what she's singing with that one). My placenta story's more interesting than our labor/delivery story -- I've always been sorry I was out of town/away from computer during the great placenta thread of a few years back -- missed my chance on that one. another Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:25:33 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: it's not a movie, it's a FILM > From: Michael Wolfe > Verily, then, rose I to the bait, thusly: > Yes, Drew is right. Anyone who demands more than just visceral > reactions from his visual entertainment might as well be packed > in tweed. [et cetera, et cetera] You're probably not a boring person. But that was a pretty boring reaction to a pretty obvious hyperbole. My prescription is for you to watch all four Alien films ten times in a row, six times in chronological order and then four times in a random order chosen by a blindfolded cat. Call me in the morning, just not before 10:30 or so if it's a weekend. > and even the misses are > largely interesting (except for that boring Batman sequel.) Michelle Pfeiffer makes it worth watching, but you're right, not much else does. > From: dmw > i read a > bunch of film criticism that had a thrust of "now that we know burton is a > serious auteur, you can see the level of allegorical meaning originally > overlooked by _beetlejuice's_ theatrical audience blah blah blah." This sort of thing can be entertainment in its own right. Have you read Constance Penley's critical takes on "Pee-Wee's Playhouse"? Delicious. > i can be even more succint about my problem with burton -- he can't write > (his most successful film, _ed wood_ is one where he had the least > script/story inovlvement) and he either can't cast, or bows to studio > pressure (winona "mugging!" ryder) to cast "hot properties" to the > detriment of his films. he's a great visual stylist, but i don't see why > i can't have good acting and a well written film to go *with* the stunning > visuals (like, say, _city of lost children_. or most of gilliam's stuff.) I fucking HATED HATED HATED _City of Lost Children_. I don't even know where to begin. But regarding your criticisms of Burton: granted. Yet I still manage to enjoy his films anyway, and when I was the age to "identify" with Winona Ryder's trademark gloomy teen character she seemed perfect to me in every role she took. So once again we run aground on the beach of...nostalgia? No: subjective appreciation. I can't offer you objective reasons why a crappy Burton film is more enjoyable to me than a supposedly excellent film by -- is it Jeunet? I don't really want to have objective reasons, frankly. > Drew making fun of my typo: No, actually I liked it. > for god's sake. do me a favor: go rent something by kieslowski. Oh, please. I've watched **se**serious **fi**film before and will surely do so again. I don't need a host of flippancy-impaired fegs now running to my rescue with their recommendations. On the other end of the spectrum I already have my boss pushing schlock like _Dances With Wolves_ and _Singles_ on me. I don't seek out popcorn movies. I don't seek out arty movies. I look for what resonates with me and I like what I like. Sometimes that includes movies from those categories, and sometimes it doesn't. It's -- surprise! -- a lot like my taste in music. Postscript: >> Tinderbox didn't dramatically fail to measure up. I disagree with my previous comment. And there were some excellent songs on: >> So It just happened to be wildly more commercial than the previous album. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: it's not a film, it's a thin layer of soap scum Drew: > > From: dmw > > serious auteur, you can see the level of allegorical meaning originally > > overlooked by _beetlejuice's_ theatrical audience blah blah blah." > > This sort of thing can be entertainment in its own right. Have you read > Constance Penley's critical takes on "Pee-Wee's Playhouse"? Delicious. oh sure, as long as one doesn't take it seriously > I fucking HATED HATED HATED _City of Lost Children_. I don't even know > where to begin. wow. vehement. care to share why? i've certainly run into people who didn't like it as much as i did, but yours is the strongest negative reaction i've heard. > surely do so again. I don't need a host of flippancy-impaired fegs > now running to my rescue with their recommendations. On the other my word. i don't think i've ever been called flippancy-impaired before, and i don't think i much care for it sir, no, i say, i don't care for it all. i may have to throw down my gauntlet, sir, and ask you to choose your second. i just tried to watch _last year at marienbad_. the sort of thing that could really give *ser*ious *fil*m a bad name. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:53:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: it's not a film, it's a thin layer of soap scum dmw: >i just tried to watch _last year at marienbad_. the sort of thing that >could really give *ser*ious *fil*m a bad name. Ack! I *love* that film. It's one of those films which haunts you for the rest of the day, after seeing it. Though admittedly, I mostly just scratched my head during my first viewing. (Gee, hasn't Scott Miller put a "Marienbad" allusion into one of his songs by now? ;P) Eb, who really enjoyed "City of Lost Children" as well... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:10:42 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Miranda's Picky Roses Michael Wolfe on Burton movies: >even the misses are largely interesting (except for that boring >Batman >sequel.) Cept I really love Michelle Pfieffer in that one. Steve: >Didn't Jodorowsky already do this one? Did he? Maybe I saw a trailer for it and thats where the lioness comes from? Doug: >but i don't see why i can't have good acting and a well written film >to go >*with* the stunning visuals. Picky, picky. What -will- us punters want next? Last night we finially saw Chocolat and enjoyed it, especially enjoying that Katie(age 10) enjoyed it(it actually having a meaning, dialog and -no- fart jokes). Anyway, while driving home we still managed to uncover some plot holes. Then we realizes that while driving home we -always- uncover plot holes. And we accept this as normal. We just assume that movies, regardless of how good, will not quite hold together. Yet it still bothers us enough that we point them out. Are we weird(well, of course, but I mean in this particular way:-)? Is there a reason why it appears to be so difficult to put together 90 minutes of a believable, self-consistant secondary reality? Or are we just picky, picky? Eb: >And don't forget her most babelicious film of all, "Darling." Oh yeah. >"Shampoo"? Eek...the perm, the perm!! What perm? Goddesses dont have perms;-)! James on the underlying philosphy hind LOTR being cut out: >Don't bank on it. Apparently many of the cast were impressed by Peter >Jackson's ability to quote great swadges of the book off the top of >his >head. He apparently read it "probably over 50 times" during his >adolescence. This just keeps sounding better and better. Dare I dream? Tolkein managed to write over a thousand pages that were self-consistant--might there actually be a movie that lives up to that? O wonderous world to have such movies in it. BTW Im writing this at home for once, physically exhausted by 5 hours of gardening(including putting in 3 beautiful climbing roses which I hope, hope, hope remain beautiful(I -think- I did everything right.)) Anyway Im playing the music on my computer and I realize I havent thanked anyone for th recs that led me to BeBop Delux, The Mutton Birds and the Rheostatics. I wish I could remember who to thank--because Im really enjoying these three bands. So whoever you are---and I hope you know who you are---Thank you. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:16:00 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Et tu, Glory Spikes? >From: Eb > > >Incidentally, the adjacent Key Club was hosting a special Circle Jerks >reunion show...eek. Glory spikes everywhere, though the crowd was >surprisingly young. Ack. "Glory spikes" -- now there's a term I haven't heard since the 80s. I remember a friend of mine, with his red, blue, and yellow, three-foot, Elmer's glue encrusted Glory Spikes, complaining because his hair wouldn't fit inside of my 280Z as we drove to see the Butthole Surfers in 1986. Ah, the 80s. When it was cool to hang upside down from gravity boots and make your hair stick up with children's glue and egg whites. Hairwise, I did the Goth Thing in the 80s: very long bangs, blue-black dye, short in the sides, long in the back and front. Nik Fiend was my fashion hero. And what are your 80s hair stories, folks? Spiky razor cut? Asymetric cut with long bangs? The dreaded perm? The long Howard Jones look? Crazy long bangs like Dwayne Gottell of Skinny Puppy? Or the random, cut-up look of Nivek Ogre? Or the skinhead buzzcut? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:31:07 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Et tu, Glory Spikes? Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >Asymetric cut with long bangs? With spiked bangs. This haircut really caused me problems. My mother was sure that it foretold a future (or perhaps even a present) of drug addiction, satanic cult involvement, and whatever other bugaboos middle class parents were being hysterically warned about in Newsweek. I am not exaggerating in the slightest. She really did think that. She went out and bought a book for parents of "troubled teens" (oh! few phrases make me want to vomit like that one still does) called "Tough Love". She went through my stuff looking for signs of suicidal intentions and/or drug abuse (imagine my surprise when my mom, the queen of adult contemporary, asked me if Suicide was a band). I must emphasize that I wasn't flunking out, I didn't sneak out at night, I wasn't in any trouble at school or any other place. The hair was enough to panic her that much. One day I was talking on the phone and she came up behind me and snipped it even. She denies it. I think she really even has forgotten it. Wish I could. loveonya, susan my kids will have blue hair if they want it Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:13:45 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: goo goo ga zzzzzz... >It's hard for me to take your anti-Oasis comments seriously, because >they're always limited to the familiar perspective of a miffed Beatles >disciple crying "Heresy!" I've observed this prejudice too many times >(in both you and others) to worry about it anymore. It's hard for me to take your anti-anti-Oasis comments seriously, because they're usually limited to the vaguely indifferent perspective of a scolding pop-culture maven crying "Purist!" I've observed this prejudice too many times (in you only) to avoid posting about it unnecessarily, as I'm doing right now. Also, BLUR, who are JUST SOOOO MUCH BETTER than Oasis, did a really really really expensive video once that was pretty much an homage to "Last Year at Marienbad". One of my favorites! I even have the DVD... John "inveterate chain-yanker and proud of it" Hedges "III" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #206 ********************************