From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #204 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Me and my virginity ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Bargain [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: rings [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: whatever [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] reve(a)ling ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] 1986 [Capuchin ] Re: virginity [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: bring me the face of liv tyler ["Stewart C. Russell" ] REM Reveal on 1st listen ["brian nupp" ] RE: whatever ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: RH in your amorous life? ["Brian Hoare" ] A short cut to mushrooms [Michael R Godwin ] Re: A short cut to mushrooms [Miles Goosens ] Re: REM Reveal on 1st listen [Miles Goosens ] RE: Me and my virginity ["Bachman, Michael" ] virgunitee ["Walker, Charles" ] our father, who art in heaven, frodo be thy name [Viv Lyon ] Frodo-riffic ["Mike wells" ] Re: Frodo-riffic [Tom Clark ] more time-wasting ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: Apple Question (NO RH%) [Tom Clark ] Lord of the Amateurs ["Parsley,Sage Rosemary&Thyme" Subject: Re: Me and my virginity > Virginity loss? *No* music. How 'bout them apples? I'm pretty sure mine was a music-free experience as well. Either that or it was something crappy from "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy" (so it obviously didn't happen at MY house...) - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Bargain Capuchin wrote: > I can't think of a single instance where this didn't happen... i.e. > where the owner of the recording is also the publisher and they > allowed use of the song but not the recording. when budweiser (or some beer company) used "Wild Horses" (which i think is in the Stones owned portion of the RS catalog, not the Allen Klein owned portion), they used the Sundays version instead of the Stones version. not quite the same as hiring out a new recording, but a time when the publisher/artist game up one piece of the pie. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:23:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: rings >> didnt tolkien travel through the mountains in tibet/nepal area thus giving >> him the wonderful setting for his trilogy? would be cool to find out if >> they actually filmed there!!!!! >> >> anyone know this detail? > >James must be asleep - it was all shot in New Zealand, where you can find >any location you want. I was out. Regent book sale, y'know [1]. The LOTR was shot entirely on location in New Zealand - Hobbiton was filmed around Hamilton, in the northern North Island, Lorien, Gondor, and Rohan were filmed here in the South Island (some of it only about 150 miles from here, around Queenstown in Central Otago), and Mordor was filmed in the central North Island, around the Rangipo Desert on the volcanic plateau. James (in Dunedain, erm, Dunedin) [1] well, you probably don't. Dunedin's biggest theatre (as in stage wih people performing plays, etc) holds a charity book sale every year. People from throughout the city donate old books, which are then sold over 24 hours for 50 cents each. So? We're talking the best part of 400,000 books here, with usually half of them sold - it's the biggest secondhand book sale in the southern hemisphere, and people travel from hundreds of miles away to it. Not just yer old paperbacks, either - there are usually some startling rarities among the dross. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:29:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: whatever >> "Meet the Feebles". Yup, sick indeed. But I take it from the paucity of >> people mentioning "Heavenly Creatures" that very few of you have seen it? >> For shame! > > >I confess, but the laudatory reviews didn't indicate that it had the kind >of monsters I usually look for. you don't like living clay statues of Mario Lanza? What kind of a sick person are you? ;) >I think about this sort of thing quite a bit. > >There's a certain kind of person who wants to sort of dissolve into their >lover and lose their own body-awareness when having sex. I think they >want to lose it all the time, but sex has so much >bonding/injecting/penetrating association that it's the only thing to come >close to completing the illusion. > >Robyn expresses quite a bit in his early work a feeling of bodily >discomfort. And it makes sense because he's a big gangly guy and probably >had a quick growth spurt at one point and has been long and thin his whole >life. So he hasn't been comfortable with the body that grew under >him... and that's exactly how he views it... his body kind of grew out >from where he lives in his head (or grew between and out from where he >lives in his head and stomach and crotch -- which I believe are the three >places cited as the seat of consciousness and mystical energy most >consistently) and isn't his so much as he can't get rid of it. > >There are lots of people like this. In fact, I can almost gaurantee that >a person who thinks the height of sex is a loss of physical self is quite >uncomfortable with the body they've grown. > >For men, I find it's the tall, thin guys that grew too fast and didn't >mentally cope with the body they've got... And for women, well, it takes >all kinds in this western world because there are damned few women that >grow the bodies that seem good enough for the world at large. I plead guilty as charged. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I like Robyn's music. I'm not too happy with my body. Bits seem to be the wrong shame and some parts are too large compared with others. You'll often find makle songwriters who feel this way using a lot of sea imagery, too, as if they wanted to drown in love. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:41:03 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: reve(a)ling > From: Miles Goosens > > If there's anything in Brett's post that I'd really take issue with, it's > the idea that I (well, not *me* - he wasn't reacting to any comment I've > made -- but "Joe R.E.M. fan," say) might not like REVEAL because I want > another DOCUMENT or MONSTER. Speaking of "Joe R.E.M. fan" (you care enough to put in the periods! :)), check out (or don't) the review on the Q Magazine site (http://www.q4music.com/). A more embarrassing wad of tripe I have never read. A sample sentence: "Imagine, then, an Automatic For The People that cheers you up without stinting on intelligence or mystery." I mean, I like the album (so far) and this review alienated me...the implication is that the reviewer is just the BIGGEST REM fan in the world and not easily satisfied, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: 1986 I just wanted to put into that dead thread about best year of the eighties for records. I appreciate both of the top nominees (1984 & 1987), but I'm going to have to vote for 1986. Element of Light True Stories Frankenchrist Life's Rich Pagaent (the album Document failed to follow-up properly) They Might Be Giants Tinderbox The Queen Is Dead Black Celebration Skylarking The Blind Leading The Naked Pretty Little Baka Guy Please Camper Van Beethoven Seventh Dream of Teenage Heaven Raising Hell Licensed To Ill A Date with Elvis Throwing Muses Blood and Chocolate Talking With the Taxman About Poetry So Graceland Gun-Shy (for Chris Franz) That is all. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: virginity "Walker, Charles" wrote: > Assuming that it has happened, what > song/album was playing when you lost your virginity? side two of _Catching Up with Depeche Mode._ mostly "blasphemous rumours" and "shake the disease" with necking type overtures incited during "somebody". spent "Flexible" scrambling to find adequate apparrel coverage because we heard the garage door opener. don't remember what we were doing during "it's called a heart" and "fly on the windscreen." probably hoping her mom couldn't smell what had been going on. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:44:06 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler steve wrote: > > I think the first U.S. publication was a single volume. An unauthorized > paperback edition by Ace books. sad to say, we publish 35 different versions of LOTR. We have an entire Tolkien division, just like we have a Dictionaries division. It's good product if you have the rights. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:49:58 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler Capuchin wrote: > > I got a copy of the "Book of the Century" edition of Lord Of The Rings and > I think that is how it should be distributed and considered for all time. > > It's seven volumes... Oh yeah, that's the one that comes in a slip case, and the volumes have T, O, L, K, I, E, & N on the spines. Malicious types in our staff shop have been known to rearrange them to NOTLIKE or OINKLET. The slipcase comes with a CD that doesn't quit fit the box; probably seemed a good idea at the time. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:53:33 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: virginity, ya-ya's, physical bodies, and a dream date with Belinda Carlisle in knee pads >There's a certain kind of person who wants to sort of dissolve into their >lover and lose their own body-awareness when having sex. I think they >want to lose it all the time, but sex has so much >bonding/injecting/penetrating association that it's the only thing to come >close to completing the illusion. >... >There are lots of people like this. In fact, I can almost gaurantee that >a person who thinks the height of sex is a loss of physical self is quite >uncomfortable with the body they've grown. Disclamer of my post, which follows, after this disclamer: This probably appears misandrondistfluglepuketalist or some other big word. I suppose that this also applies to men, but I've only noticed this quality in women. Somehow, for me, it has something to do with the ability to cry for the right reasons, but I can't articulate this notion. I am perhaps unqualified to answer for those to whom this pertains, but there is another way of looking at it. For women who have been communicative about such things with me, their experience has been very much like the dissolution of self. In general it is out of the freedom of expression and the human bonding- an emotional process, rather than a goal-oriented physical act. This seems the opposite of discomfort with their own human vehicle. This is something I envy about the way women love- that there is more dimension and beauty and sense of connection for them than of that which I am possibly capable. PLUS, they can enjoy getting their ya-ya's too. - --- They didn't have music back when I lost my virginity. But seriously, they did, I just couldn't deal with doing too many things at once. The whole keeping plates spinning on sticks while keeping my various body parts on the right dots on the twister board was hard enough. And having Ed Sullivan and Topo Gigo there was also causing no shortage of performance anxiety- those guys are studs, man. I did get points for my costume and red sponge rubber nose, however, earned union scale, and received many offers from the circus. - --- Can I just say that of all the Go-go's, Belinda Carlisle would be lucky to make my third choice to see nekkid. Crass reference to hit song title omitted.... - --- Hope y'all are enjoying everything, - -Cabeza de Vaca con Frijoles Refritos Grandes Muchacho del Tibursn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:40:18 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler >> I think the first U.S. publication was a single volume. An unauthorized >> paperback edition by Ace books. On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 11:22 PM, Capuchin wrote: > But who would want to CARRY such a monsterous tome around and read on the > bus? Think thin paper and small print. - - Steve __________ The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, the American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:31:13 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: REM Reveal on 1st listen Like it. Will probably love it. Haven't heard the last track yet. Good points: 1. More jangle guitars than most of their stuff from the last 8 years. 2. Utilizes new keyboards and modern rythym beats, but doesn't over do it. 3. Nice recording. 4. One of the songs reminds me of the Byrds. 5. I just listened to Peter Buck and Robyn Hitchcock do a few songs together on a Boston radio show from 1988. 6. The last one wasn't really a point. Neither is this one. Bad Points: 1. I miss Bill Berry, but not because the drumming lacks, but because I still think of REM as a friendly 4 piece. 2. No return of Peter Holsapple. Well, I didn't check the credits yet. No biggie anyway. I wonder how this compares to Up? I was an REM completest from 1986 to 1992 or 93. Monster killed it. Never got Up, yet. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:31:50 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: whatever James Dignan: > I plead guilty as charged. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I > like Robyn's music. I'm not too happy with my body. Bits seem > to be the wrong shame and some parts are too large compared with others. ^ ^ Paging Dr. Freud ;-) +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:08:14 -0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: RH in your amorous life? >I lost my virginity to I Often Dream of Trains. you lucky, lucky bastard :) 2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? I will spare you the full sorry tale of me and Melanie Magic Monster but I can tell this incident of RH messing with my amorous life. Around the time of GoF RH was set to play an acoustic gig in a small club in Bristol (under the Tropic Club? on Stokes Croft if anyone knows it). Being the ardent fan that I was I got there very early and caught Robyn, Morris and a double bass player running through a quick sound check. Then I was approached by a petite punky/hippy girl who I'd met half a dozen times (at most) in the previous 2 years. She had become a personal myth, we'd find each other by chance when we both needed someone to talk to and then go our own seperate ways - there was a bond but we'd never "persued" each other. "I thought I'd find you here" she said and within a quarter of an hour we were outside the club and threw our arms around each other... So thanks to her I missed the gig, and didnt see RH again until last year. She is the only person who has spontaneously bought me a record as a present - - that record was Two Halves for the Price of One. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:56:08 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: A short cut to mushrooms On Thu, 17 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > didnt tolkien travel through the mountains in tibet/nepal area thus > giving him the wonderful setting for his trilogy? would be cool to > find out if they actually filmed there!!!!! anyone know this detail? * He went walking in the Austrian Alps in about 1912(?) - I think that the three peaks (Caradhras etc.) were drawn directly from this experience. I don't believe that Tollers ever left Europe. On Thu, 17 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: > Without Tom Bombadil, how do the hobbits get away from the barrow > wights? And without the barrow wights, how do the hobbits get their > enchanted weapons? On Thu, 17 May 2001, Mike wells wrote: > Good point. They won't be getting away from Old Man Willow to begin > with, unless the entire loop from Buckland to Bree is whacked > entirely, in which case the entire Old Forest and Bombadil's house > conveniently disappear with the swipe of a backspace key. * That is certainly what happened in the excellent BBC radio adaptation. I'm afraid that the whole 'Old Forest' sequence is a "Hobbit"-style ODAAA* episode which doesn't advance the main plot. Lord of the Rings is _great_ but you can see that JRRT had terrific difficulty hitting the right tone and the story doesn't take off properly until Weathertop... On Wed, 16 May 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > Hmm...the Alice cartoons and Oswald the Rabbit are public domain now, > though, right? * My recollection is that Disney lost control of Oswald in 1927, which is why he created Mickey in the first place. Early Mickey Mouse looks strikingly like Oswald Rabbit. On Thu, 17 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: > I remember being really impressed with Clash of the Titans, for > goodness' sake. * Dear oh dear! Only the Medusa sequence appears to have any Harryhausen input, the rest is tripe. I just saw 7th Voyage of Sinbad on TV yesterday, and the quality of those Dynamation films is almost in reverse chronological order: (1) Jason (2) 7th Voyage (3) Golden Voyage (4) Tiger (5) Titans. Nowadays I'm really getting into the b/w Harryhausen cheapo stuff like '20 million miles to Earth' and 'It came from beneath the sea'... - - Mike 'Grishnakh' Godwin * ODAAA - one damned adventure after another ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:22:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: A short cut to mushrooms At 03:56 PM 5/18/2001 +0100, Michael R Godwin wrote: >On Thu, 17 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: >> I remember being really impressed with Clash of the Titans, for >> goodness' sake. > >* Dear oh dear! Only the Medusa sequence appears to have any Harryhausen >input, the rest is tripe. Hey, Tim Piggott-Smith's in it! So that makes it good! :-) I wanna Merrick you, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:29:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: REM Reveal on 1st listen At 09:31 AM 5/18/2001 -0400, brian nupp wrote: >2. No return of Peter Holsapple. Well, I didn't check the credits yet. No >biggie anyway. I think there came a time in the mid-90s when Holsapple said "If I'm gonna keep being the fifth member of R.E.M., I'm gonna have to have official status and songwriting contributions." And that's when they parted ways. I'm not sure how it was better being the fifth (?) Blowfish for that subsequent stint... Ken Stringfellow (the Posies) and Scott McCaughey (YFF/Minus 5) have served as regular auxiliary members since the MONSTER tour in '95. I think REVEAL makes very good use of them, similar to how well-integrated and integral Ken and Scott sounded on the '99 tour (as compared to the '95 tour, where sometimes it didn't seem like they were adding much). >I wonder how this compares to Up? It's basically a more concise version of UP. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:29:12 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Me and my virginity Eb Wrote >I finally saw Nicolas Roeg's "Don't Look Now," last night...it was a bit >slow in the middle, but damn, the ending physically made my blood "chill" >like no film I've seen in ages. What a rush. Eb, Have you even checked out the 1971 Nicolas Roeg movie "Walkabout"? The Criterion Collection has an excellant DVD version of it available. It stars a young Jenny Agutter and Roeg's son, abandoned in Australia's outback. They are in a bad scrape until they meet a 16 year aborigine boy on his walkabout journey. A walkabout being a journey in the outback that every 16 year aborigine must do on his own for 6 months, living off the land. The visuals are stunning, and Jenny is easy on the eyes as well. A Directors commentary, with Nicholas and Jenny is included in the DVD also. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:40:58 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: RH in your amorous life? Good story, Brian! >From: "Brian Hoare" >Reply-To: "Brian Hoare" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: RH in your amorous life? >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:08:14 -0000 > >>I lost my virginity to I Often Dream of Trains. > >you lucky, lucky bastard :) > >2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? > >I will spare you the full sorry tale of me and Melanie Magic Monster but I >can tell this incident of RH messing with my amorous life. > >Around the time of GoF RH was set to play an acoustic gig in a small club >in >Bristol (under the Tropic Club? on Stokes Croft if anyone knows it). Being >the ardent fan that I was I got there very early and caught Robyn, Morris >and a double bass player running through a quick sound check. Then I was >approached by a petite punky/hippy girl who I'd met half a dozen times (at >most) in the previous 2 years. She had become a personal myth, we'd find >each other by chance when we both needed someone to talk to and then go our >own seperate ways - there was a bond but we'd never "persued" each other. > >"I thought I'd find you here" she said and within a quarter of an hour we >were outside the club and threw our arms around each other... > >So thanks to her I missed the gig, and didnt see RH again until last year. >She is the only person who has spontaneously bought me a record as a >present >- that record was Two Halves for the Price of One. > >Brian > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:53:40 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: virgunitee I can't believe some of you lost your virginity listening to Robyn Hitchcock. I would agree with those who find that the music appeals to the brainstem more than the gonads. chas writes - i think IODOT was just in the CD player at the time the big moment 'arose.' tho perhaps i secretly and subconsciously planned it that way. chas in LA --> http://theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: our father, who art in heaven, frodo be thy name On Fri, 18 May 2001, steve wrote: > On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 11:22 PM, Capuchin wrote: > > > But who would want to CARRY such a monsterous tome around and read on the > > bus? > > Think thin paper and small print. Like the Bible. I've seen people reading the all-in-one tome on the bus, they often have a beatific look of reverence on their face, like they're reading holy scripture. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:18:50 -0600 From: HAL Subject: oasis in denver last night From the Rocky Mountain News: "A hardy crowd braved non-stop cold rain to open Fiddler's Green for the season on Thursday night...Noel Gallagher took particular delight in pointing out how soaked the crowd was getting, noting that onstage, he himself was enjoying the perks of stardom: 'Dry. Warm. Getting paid. Free booze.' " /hal, betting they butchered "I Am The Walrus" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:21:00 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Frodo-riffic Staying completely off-topic... Went ahead a burned a disc at work with the "official" LOTR Teaser Trailer and Cannes Film Festival booklet on it. This way I can watch the trailer repeatedly, nay let's say obsessively, at home on demand without waiting for my _modem_ to choke. The upshot is that if anyone wants one, let me know. I'll be happy to burn off a few. The only drag is the trailer is a .ram file. Michael quite impressed that someone spelled "Grishnakh" correctly (and apparently from memory, was that you Mr. Godwin?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:28:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Frodo-riffic on 5/18/01 10:21 AM, Mike wells at mwells@imageworksmfg.com wrote: > Staying completely off-topic... > > Went ahead a burned a disc at work with the "official" LOTR Teaser Trailer and > Cannes Film Festival booklet on it. This way I can watch the trailer > repeatedly, nay let's say obsessively, at home on demand without waiting for > my _modem_ to choke. > Similarly, has anyone else been watching the films on bmwfilms.com? So far they've premiered shorts by John Frankenheimer and Ang Lee. Both contain great car chases, and great cars. Just make sure you've got a fast connection and a good sound system. - -tc, hmmm, should I get the 540 or the 740? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:13 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: more time-wasting >Would you feel okay about having a burned copy (of _Wasp Star_, not > >_Quench_) to replace the one that got scratched up? Sure - oh, but wait, I *can't*, because XTC are *soooo poor*, and I *don't* want to deprive them of their *precious* 0.0002 cents (or however much it is) in royalties! Umm... anyway... I never saw this girl with the Eye jacket wandering around Ann Arbor. Is she from out of town? What's her name? (I know everyone in Ann Arbor. Even Bob Seger.) With all due respect to Dolph, as Viv and I have said, the Great Quail *is* Tom Bombadil, and LJ is Goldberry. I am so goddamn looking forward to those movies. I know I'm going to be disappointed, but what the hell. I grew up with LOtR, and even instituted a cult of "Frodoism" at one point. Heck, I've even slogged through The Silmarillion! I'm hard core! Jill, being childless, I can't trade my own labor and delivery story with you, but I can trade my friend's! (36 hour labor for #1, a gigantic infant that got terrifyingly "stuck" for #2...) n., placenta-fondler _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:50:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Apple Question (NO RH%) on 5/15/01 2:44 PM, Mike Swedene at pulp_101@yahoo.com wrote: > Is there a patch I need to get Final Cut pro to run on > an iMac? Just curious, sorry to bother the group with > this. > The only reasons that it wouldn't run on an iMac are: - - Final Cut checks to make sure your iMac has FireWire hardware, and you don't. i.e., not an iMac DV - - You have an older version of Final Cut which is locked onto PowerMac G3's and G4's only. - - iMacs just aren't supported in general. That would be odd since it runs on PowerBooks. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:02:34 -0000 From: "Parsley,Sage Rosemary&Thyme" Subject: Lord of the Amateurs Poole on Marshall: >I cannot resist the conjecture that your earliest (and clearly >traumatic) >experience of sex came while barging in, when you were supposed to be >in >bed, on a babysitter and her secret lover who were making the >beast with >two backs on the couch while the french connection played >in the >background; I was thinking it would have been The Conversation;-) Mahoney: >2)wild thing by the troggs!!!!! Excellent choice. Do you follow it with "Hang on Sloopy"? >listening to hitcock during randiness would be like >trying to be in the mood while playing some jonathan richman >it just doesnt work! Ever tried "If You were a Priest"? Agree with Miles that the bonus tracks that werent there the first time around dont really count. IODOT is perfect in its original purity--while I adore a bunch of the bonus tracks it means having to include the purposely-unlistenable "Mellow Togther", a track which is only almost funny the first time you hear it. After that-- --tedium(sorry guys who think the opposite, imho) Miles: >Like Mr. Hitchcock himself, we probably thought Bryan Ferry >was more appropriate. Oh yeah. Is there a long version of the song Avalon available? Eb: >I finally saw Nicolas Roeg's "Don't Look Now," Incredible flick. Plus it stars the divine Ms Christie. God that woman for me just utterly embodies female sexuality. Far From the Maddening Crowd, Dr Z, McCabe n Mrs M, Shampoo, Heat n Dust. Im so addled by her emanations that I cant begin to figure out if its acting or prescence or what, but Lord its powerful. I want her to star in an alternative history movie where she plays Mary Magdelene, who goes off into the desert after her husband's apparent final leave-taking in despair over her inability to get the apostles (except John) to understand JC's teachings. After a few aeons of meditation she becomes a bodhavista (and has a lion who follows her around, not sure why but thats what I see) and returns just in time to fuck Paul's brains out, thereby making for a different sort of Christianity than we are currently familiar with. Ahhh, dream on,right? Jill: >But if anyone wants to trade labor and delivery stories.... I think we would need to do this off list dear. Some of the youngins might not quite have the stomach for it;-). By the way, are we the only two moms on the list? I know there are some dads, but are there any other femfeg moms out there? Mike: >They won't be getting away from Old Man Willow to begin with, >unless the entire loop from Buckland to Bree is whacked entirely, in >which >case the entire Old Forest and Bombadil's house conveniently >disappear >with the swipe of a backspace key. Which is a shame, 'cause >I think his >foil of having been there before the ring's making and >being unaffected by >it are important to the background of the story, >blah etc ;-p Very important--its the analogy that nature predates nature's corruption and is stronger than nature's corruption--therefore presaging the ring's destruction and the return/renewal of the world to its rightful state(IMHO.)(in short a reenstatment of the Christian idea that nature is good and predates evil, that without good evil would not be possible and that in the end good will transform evil. Oh, and that good is originially joy.) But I doubt the movie people are very interested in the philosphical underpinnings of LOTR. I can indeed see them wacking out from Buckland to Bree(They just better not mess with having Aragorn start out as Strider--he better look damn dirty and disreputable the first time you see him or Im walking out there and then)and what--having Elrond give out the magical weapons? Vic Squick Thanks for gently clarifying Steves comments bout Jackson--as you can tell I obviouslly havent seen his stuff. Im glad he and Disneyfeying gives you cognative dissonace. Thats what I want to hear. James: Heh--I know why youre interested in LOTR--youre the lucky guy with a wife who looks like Gladriel;-) Now, back to our favorite elve (Am I the only one who thinks Robyn would make a good Elrond)? >well pointed out. I must admit I've noticed the same, and wondered >whether >a juxtaposition of "I'm only you" and "Sometimes I wish I was a >preety >girl would be entirely seemly... Heh heh. Well, as with the prior post you're responding to which mentions Chinese Bones and Satellite --boundry issues, both the pros and cons of, are in alot of Robyns work. Its not just objects which metamorphasize, people often merge, emerge and remerge with and from others. Its ties in with the whole muatablity of identity. All -very- unseemly;-)(Kay, struggling to keep an infinate sky of inner-grad students with dissertations bursting out of their heads away from the keyboard) By the way James, what do you teach? Drew, with words of wisdom: >I've always felt that if we only admired and enjoyed "quality" music, >art, film, books, etc. we would end up being a very boring culture. >...Love isn't about perfection. Drew, youre just in your twenties, right? How'd you figure this out already? And that seriously important can mean utterly boring. Give this man a Thoth. >Are these long posts annoying? I find it so much easier to respond >to a >digest in one fell swoop... Well--yes, I personally dont understand why people(Ill not get personal and name names here) insist on doing it. I hate them myself. However Drew, I commend you on at least being courteous enough to ask if anyone minds(unlike some people on this list, however, in the intrest of -not- starting a flame war I will not stoop to naming names--thou I will say, Its not OK with me. OK? You got that? Its not -OK- with me?);-) Tis easier, isnt it. Just one pesky detail thou. If you guys respond to something from one of these min-volumes, please try and cut out all the non-relevant to the comment stuff. Otherwise we get repeat digests within digests within digests. Jeme: >Robyn expresses quite a bit in his early work a feeling of bodily >discomfort. And it makes sense because he's a big gangly guy and >probably >had a quick growth spurt at one point and has been long and thin his >whole >life. You know Ive always had that theory but since Ive lacked any actual evidence never mentioned it(thanks Jeme, for having more faith in your intuition.) Im only 5'7' but for a few years there ....it was like my body was a monster. No matter how much I ate I looked like a famine victim, my pants were never long enough and I just had no, absoultly no idea about what to do with my arms or my legs. All the boys at dancing class came up to my non-existant tits. It was aweful and since I was abit shy to begin with... (plus there were other issues as well) Ive carried around abit of that gaukiness ever since. Now if an only slightly-tall self-consious girl went thru that ... what about a really tall guy? >There's a certain kind of person who wants to sort of dissolve into >their >lover and lose their own body-awareness when having sex. I >think they >want to lose it all the time, but sex has so much >bonding/injecting/penetrating association that it's the only thing to >come >close to completing the illusion. As someone who has always(even as a child) tried to slip the bonds of personal identy Ill take a slight exception to that. I think its not so much about loosing body-awareness as loosing ego-awareness . Its about trancing out into what Auden calls "the oceanic nothingness." Some people trance out really easily from many differnt stimuli(sex being just one of them),others dont and dont really understand the whole phenomena. Why some and not others? Perhaps its partly inate, like the color of your eyes. Certainly trauma at a young age can induce or encourage it. Drugs at a later age ditto. But no one really knows. It wouldnt suprise me if Hitchcock had some tendency to being beyond himself at times. And once you realize your ego is not all that you are, it opens all sorts of questions. And I like Robyns songs cause they're about those questions. Not the answers, Thank God;-), just the questions. Went to the LOTR site and played around with the pictures. It does look very good indeed. All the characters look right, especially McKellen as Gandolf which could be wonderful. I dont think Tolkein ever went climbing round Tibet. He did however do some mountain-climbing and lots of hiking round Britian(he loved those pub to pub treks;-) Alot of these walks were done with CS Lewis during which they would talk about LOTR in progress. So, if you want, theres a pre-pubescent homoerotic strain in the creation of the work, let alone its execution. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #204 ********************************