From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #203 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- bring me the face of liv tyler [=b ] Re: Tales from the Cryptic ["victorian squid" ] Re: bring me the face of liv tyler [Capuchin ] Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Lords, Virginity, etc. [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Bored of the Rings. [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) [Miles Goosens ] Re: Lords [steve ] RE: virginity [Jay Lyall ] Re: bring me the face of liv tyler [steve ] Re: Me and my virginity [steve ] Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) [Terrence Marks ] Re: bring me the face of liv tyler [Capuchin ] Amateur Psychology. Yay! [Capuchin ] Re: Lords, Virginity, etc. [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: bring me the face of liv tyler On Thu, 17 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: > HAR! avast, matey! > like a badly designed toy and very "unreal", if you get me. But man, that > Anubis army was awesome. from the preview, it looked like Anubis himself would be fighting, which could have been cool. but instead it was just mini-anubi. le sigh. > > if, unlike Tom Bombadil, they make the cut. > > I can't figure out how they're going to do that. want to be surprised by Lord of the Rings and haven't read it> > > Without Tom Bombadil, how do the hobbits get away from the barrow wights? > And without the barrow wights, how do the hobbits get their enchanted > weapons? i think i remember reading that they will just be given them (by gandalf, or aragorn, or elrond, or what have you) it IS a shame that some of the plot will be cut, but you can't fit a 350 page book into a 2 hr movie, i suppose. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:53:17 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Tales from the Cryptic On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:41:21 Parsley,Sage Rosemary&Thyme wrote: Someone (Jeme?): >>So, Fegs, should Kay rent Dead Alive the day before she goes to see >The >>Fellowship Of The Rings? Or maybe The Frighteners? Kay: >Hmmm, the director's background is horror I gather. I remember seeing >previews for The Frigheners and being, err, less than impressed. Perhaps the person who recommended those was trying to make sure you knew that Peter Jackson ain't gonna "Disnefy" anything. ROTFL. Sorry, it's just, er, um.........Peter Jackson and Disnefying, I'm just having a fit of cognitive dissonance, it'll pass :). Anyway, I would have recommended "Heavenly Creatures", which would show you his talent for bringing fantasy worlds to life as well as his flair for nuanced storytelling (the latter not really a feature of "Dead Alive"). loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler On Thu, 17 May 2001, =b wrote: > avast, matey! Ever hear the pirate alphabet? Eh... tell you later. > > > really? (good work, viv) what did you think of it? I enjoyed it quite a bit. It is, in fact, a lovely tale of post-pubescent homoeroticism. I take it Tolkein had a hard time leaving school and taking on a wife and his role as an englishman. I don't want to take credit from Viv (she deserves whatever she can be given, really), but there was another factor that got me to read the whole thing. > from the preview, it looked like Anubis himself would be fighting, which > could have been cool. but instead it was just mini-anubi. le sigh. Well, sigh, but still pretty cool. I mean, foockin' Anubi! Now, if Thoth had shown up... > > And without the barrow wights, how do the hobbits get their enchanted > > weapons? > i think i remember reading that they will just be given them (by gandalf, > or aragorn, or elrond, or what have you) it IS a shame that some of the > plot will be cut, but you can't fit a 350 page book into a 2 hr movie, i > suppose. I got a copy of the "Book of the Century" edition of Lord Of The Rings and I think that is how it should be distributed and considered for all time. It's seven volumes (mine is cool little black volumes that are hardcover, but paperback size) running about 200pp each. They are titled after the original book divisions within the work ( Book I: The Ring Sets Out, Book II: The Ring Goes West, or whatever... and so on). There is no allusion to a trilogy-style division and no titles "The Fellowship Of The Ring", "The Two Towers" or "The Return Of The King". The seventh volume is the appendices usually located at the back of The Return of The King. So, the books were small, easily carried, undaunting, and had logical sort of boundaries between them. This is where the Hollywood format really breaks down. It should be six episodes, to my mind... but I can't say for sure that each one would fit in the 90-180 minute limits that the marketting/distribution machine imposes on the film makers. Hmm... what if movies weren't all the same price per viewing? I wonder what the total effect would be... J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) besides over the course of 20 years groups have to grow look at the ramones, when they did that album with the london philharmonic it was quite a stretch indeed, and then to have it produced by jimmy jam and terry lewis with backing vocals by JLo.......who woulda thunk it??? On Thu, 17 May 2001, Brett Cooper wrote: > on 5/17/01 1:59 PM, Aaron Mandel at aaron@eecs.harvard.edu wrote: > times by now. Remember, we don't want another Monster or Document--they've > already made those albums!! > > Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:27:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Lords, Virginity, etc. >> Agreed. And the visuals Ive seen so far seem decent(thou Im scared they >> will Disneyfy the Ents.) Just the fact that they cast Cate Blanchett >> instead of Pamala Lee Anderson as Gladreiel is a good sign. > >Jackson has his own special effects house, and the Tolkien estate is >involved in the production, so the Ents should be good - if, unlike Tom >Bombadil, they make the cut. an acquaintance who's done work for Jackson in special effects says that he feels 'inordinately proud' of the work. I don't think I've ever heard him say he was proud of any work he's done before, and I'm sure he had to look up 'inordinately'. >> I love LOTR the book(yes it had a million things wrong with it--but it's >> still a great book. Great books can be bad--Much of Hemingway,War and >> Peace for example. But they're still Great--theres a magnitude, an >> enchantment to their badness.) I so so want this movie to be beautiful >> and meaningful. Or even better --sublime. >> I dont care if Im setting myself up for disapointment. I WANT this. > >So, Fegs, should Kay rent Dead Alive the day before she goes to see The >Fellowship Of The Rings? Or maybe The Frighteners? heh. by all accounts, LOTR is to Heavenly Creatures and HC is to The Frighteners as TF is to Brain Dead (a.k. Dead Alive) in terms of effects. >c) there's a review of _the frighteners_ at p-caverns; it was better than >i thought it would be and slightly less stupid than most modern h-wood >mainstream supernaturally themed movies, e.g. _ghost_. blch. has anyone >seen that puppet movie he did? now that was *twisted*, and i don't say >that lightly. very sick. "Meet the Feebles". Yup, sick indeed. But I take it from the paucity of people mentioning "Heavenly Creatures" that very few of you have seen it? For shame! >>1} Assuming that it has happened, what song/album was playing when you >> lost your virginity? none, from memory, but the second time was accompanied by the Hollies "All I need is the air that I breathe". Not bad at all. >> 2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? heh heh. If I said "wafflehead" y'd'all get completely the wrong idea! ;) >As for RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life - I can't >really say they are but I'm fascinated with the >obsessive/possessive/complete takeover of body and soul side of Robyn: > > From Chinese Bones: > >The line between us is so thin >I might as well be you... well pointed out. I must admit I've noticed the same, and wondered whether a juxtaposition of "I'm only you" and "Sometimes I wish I was a preety girl" would be entirely seemly... James np - Secret Box - Chills outtakes and rarities. Some seriously good stuff there, especially on the 2nd and 3rd discs) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:47:05 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: rik is still a virgin! M/F virginity: Back seat of a car. No music. M/M virginity: Floor of a dorm room. Also no music, unless you count the rightful residents of said dorm room, giggling and complaining, "You guys are so *loud*!" I don't really associate any Robyn Hitchcock songs with my love life. It's never occurred to me to do so and none of my lovers have ever been into him at all. Margaret likes "Sinister But She Was Happy," which is appropriate and which will do, I guess. "They Don't Know" by Kirsty MacColl has become "our song." I can't believe some of you lost your virginity listening to Robyn Hitchcock. I would agree with those who find that the music appeals to the brainstem more than the gonads. I stick to the cliches -- bring on Dead Can Dance, the Autumns, Loreena McKennitt, anything soothing and slow. Even Sarah McLachlan if you must. Though memories of sex are the only reason I have that Utah Saints record. >From: lj lindhurst >I ADORE this record. It's a fucking masterpiece. It's my new favorite >record. So what's your take on "God Is In the House"? I'm too dumb to work it out. >From: "Natalie Jacobs" > >Unfortunately my copy of WS got unmercifully scratched up in a moment of >stupidity, and is now unplayable. Which means I have to shell out $15 for >an album that I only like half of. That's about $2 per good song! I think >I'll try to find it used... Margaret lost her copy of _Quench_ by the Beautiful South (just the disc, not the jewel case and inserts). So we bought a new one and then burned a copy of it for me to replace the one she lost. I assume Jeme would say there's no issue here at all, but I feel okay about it knowing that we paid for two discs and just replaced one. Would you feel okay about having a burned copy (of _Wasp Star_, not _Quench_) to replace the one that got scratched up? >From: dmw > >d) i just don't get what y'all see in tim burton. Nostalgia, for one thing. _Beetlejuice_ and _Edward Scissorhands_ when I was in school -- the perfect combination of imagery, theme, and tone. I don't think he's the best director in the world. He just happens to be one of my favorites. I've always felt that if we only admired and enjoyed "quality" music, art, film, books, etc. we would end up being a very boring culture. Everyone would have to like the same things. The analogy would be: if we only fell in love with the most beautiful, intelligent, creative, funny, talented, and sensitive people in the world, all of us would be mooning around over some musician PhD of stunning beauty and very dissatisfied with our current partners. Love isn't about perfection. >And I liked _Beetlejuice_ okay, for >what it was, but I'm not buying some reviisonist attempt to make it a >**se**serious **fi**film, y'know? **se**serious **fi**films are for **bo**boring **pe**people. It's not a "serious film" and I don't know who suggested it was. It's just really entertaining and it tickles those of us who like that sort of thing. >From: Aaron Mandel > >i do not, however, want to listen to Reveal for a second time, which was >quite a disappointment to me. Sorry to hear that. I've only listened to part of it twice so far, and it's growing on me. I would say that it's more even than _Up_ -- the best songs on _Up_ are better, the worst ones are worse. _Reveal_ is too easy a listen to be one of their best, but my expectations for the band are not high at this point. So I am pleased. Are these long posts annoying? I find it so much easier to respond to a digest in one fell swoop... - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Lords, Virginity, etc. didnt tolkien travel through the mountains in tibet/nepal area thus giving him the wonderful setting for his trilogy? would be cool to find out if they actually filmed there!!!!! anyone know this detail? On Fri, 18 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >> Agreed. And the visuals Ive seen so far seem decent(thou Im scared they > >> will Disneyfy the Ents.) Just the fact that they cast Cate Blanchett > >> instead of Pamala Lee Anderson as Gladreiel is a good sign. > > > >Jackson has his own special effects house, and the Tolkien estate is > >involved in the production, so the Ents should be good - if, unlike Tom > >Bombadil, they make the cut. > > an acquaintance who's done work for Jackson in special effects says that he > feels 'inordinately proud' of the work. I don't think I've ever heard him > say he was proud of any work he's done before, and I'm sure he had to look > up 'inordinately'. > > >> I love LOTR the book(yes it had a million things wrong with it--but it's > >> still a great book. Great books can be bad--Much of Hemingway,War and > >> Peace for example. But they're still Great--theres a magnitude, an > >> enchantment to their badness.) I so so want this movie to be beautiful > >> and meaningful. Or even better --sublime. > >> I dont care if Im setting myself up for disapointment. I WANT this. > > > >So, Fegs, should Kay rent Dead Alive the day before she goes to see The > >Fellowship Of The Rings? Or maybe The Frighteners? > > heh. by all accounts, LOTR is to Heavenly Creatures and HC is to The > Frighteners as TF is to Brain Dead (a.k. Dead Alive) in terms of effects. > > >c) there's a review of _the frighteners_ at p-caverns; it was better than > >i thought it would be and slightly less stupid than most modern h-wood > >mainstream supernaturally themed movies, e.g. _ghost_. blch. has anyone > >seen that puppet movie he did? now that was *twisted*, and i don't say > >that lightly. very sick. > > "Meet the Feebles". Yup, sick indeed. But I take it from the paucity of > people mentioning "Heavenly Creatures" that very few of you have seen it? > For shame! > > >>1} Assuming that it has happened, what song/album was playing when you > >> lost your virginity? > > none, from memory, but the second time was accompanied by the Hollies "All > I need is the air that I breathe". Not bad at all. > > >> 2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? > > heh heh. If I said "wafflehead" y'd'all get completely the wrong idea! ;) > > >As for RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life - I can't > >really say they are but I'm fascinated with the > >obsessive/possessive/complete takeover of body and soul side of Robyn: > > > > From Chinese Bones: > > > >The line between us is so thin > >I might as well be you... > > well pointed out. I must admit I've noticed the same, and wondered whether > a juxtaposition of "I'm only you" and "Sometimes I wish I was a preety > girl" would be entirely seemly... > > James > > np - Secret Box - Chills outtakes and rarities. Some seriously good stuff > there, especially on the 2nd and 3rd discs) > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:17:15 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Bored of the Rings. At 01:28 PM 5/17/01 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >I was so looking forward to Tom Bombadil-O (who clearly >should be played by Dolph Chaney)! 8-) Many many thanks. Just when I needed it, too. My parents just called to tell me their house was robbed today. Anyway. No music for the loss of my virginity -- except its own. Robyn and my love life... hm. pre-Becca? Probably "The Abandoned Brain." with Becca? Well, we did have "Mellow Together" on our wedding music list. Such saps we are. dolph np: Jonatha Brooke, steady pull ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:21:05 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) At 02:31 PM 05/17/2001 -0800, Brett Cooper wrote: >I don't know what you guys are on, but I think Reveal is a fine album. >Purchased it on Tuesday, and have listened to it all the way through about 4 >times by now. Remember, we don't want another Monster or Document--they've >already made those albums!! So what I want is for my favorite band to evolve into an "adult contemporary" act for the 35-45 set. Oh right, Stipe's lyrics are maybe even darker than Bread's "Diary," and the members of R.E.M. have listened to PET SOUNDS a few times. That must make it good. appreciating the genius of Ferrante and Teicher, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:46:20 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: snide, chagrined After sending that last one, I realized that it came off way nastier than I meant it. It really wasn't directed at Brett at all -- it's more of a reaction to the positive press REVEAL has been garnering, my near-complete incomprehension of same, my own recent disappointment in the group (having stayed a huge R.E.M. fan long enough to pick NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI as the best album of '96, rather than becoming chagrined in '87/'91/'94 and being inured to it), and, well, a grumpy mood. If there's anything in Brett's post that I'd really take issue with, it's the idea that I (well, not *me* - he wasn't reacting to any comment I've made -- but "Joe R.E.M. fan," say) might not like REVEAL because I want another DOCUMENT or MONSTER. It's not as though R.E.M. has made the same album over and over like the Ramones -- the first three were quite different than LIFES RICH PAGEANT/DOCUMENT, and OOT/AFTP was yet another significant variation, and MONSTER and NAIHF were each different still. I've followed them through many twists and turns, and always felt rewarded, even with the occasional misstep (parts of GREEN and AFTP being the only ones IMO through '96). At the very least, they never made two albums in a row that disappointed me. Now they have. On the other hand, if the tracks on REVEAL were all played with the energy that the group brought to "Imitation of Life" (a song with which I was heretofore unimpressed) on LETTERMAN the other night, I might be singing a slightly different tune. Or at least looking forward to that fourth listen. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:51:46 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Lords On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 07:48 PM, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > didnt tolkien travel through the mountains in tibet/nepal area thus giving > him the wonderful setting for his trilogy? would be cool to find out if > they actually filmed there!!!!! > > anyone know this detail? James must be asleep - it was all shot in New Zealand, where you can find any location you want. - - Steve __________ The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, the American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:18:25 -0500 From: Jay Lyall Subject: RE: virginity Air Supply - I need to go purge or something so I feel Clean again - ----------------------------- Jay Lyall jlyall@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/jlyall - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ken Ostrander Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:34 PM To: schmegmaniax Subject: Re: virginity >1} Assuming that it has happened, what song/album was playing >when you lost your virginity? i was quite distracted at the time; but i remember it as being kate bush's _hounds of love_. >2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? linctus house, vibrating, all i wanna do is fall in love, fifty two stations, autumn is your last chance, insect mother, and, yes, airscape. ken "looking forward to finding that special someone to share wafflehead with" the kenster np flow foetus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:01:08 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 06:42 PM, Capuchin wrote: > I got a copy of the "Book of the Century" edition of Lord Of The Rings and > I think that is how it should be distributed and considered for all time. > > It's seven volumes (mine is cool little black volumes that are hardcover, > but paperback size) running about 200pp each. They are titled after the > original book divisions within the work ( Book I: The Ring Sets Out, Book > II: The Ring Goes West, or whatever... and so on). There is no allusion > to a trilogy-style division and no titles "The Fellowship Of The Ring", > "The Two Towers" or "The Return Of The King". The seventh volume is the > appendices usually located at the back of The Return of The King. I think the first U.S. publication was a single volume. An unauthorized paperback edition by Ace books. - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:06:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Me and my virginity On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 01:01 PM, Scott McCleary wrote: > 1) The moment came during a Marvin the Martian cartoon -- so > I'm going to have to go with a Carl Stalling selection I guess. Just thinking about it makes my back hurt. - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Michael Stipe is GAY (position 2) On Thu, 17 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > appreciating the genius of Ferrante and Teicher, Ferrante & Teicher actually did some prepared piano* pieces before they joined Burt Kaempfert in the bland-pop genre. I've heard two of their pieces on an Ernie Kovacs album and was impressed. I'm not a good judge of postmodern music, but I found it inventive and entertaining. *: A piano with things stuck between the strings. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:15:45 -0500 From: Henry Krinkle Subject: Re: virginity There was no music playing when it happened to me, but a friend of mine lost his virginity while "The Name Game" played romantically in the background. - --stacystacybobacybananafanafostacy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Ken Ostrander > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:34 PM > To: schmegmaniax > Subject: Re: virginity > > >> 1} Assuming that it has happened, what song/album was playing >> when you lost your virginity? > > i was quite distracted at the time; but i remember it as being kate bush's > _hounds of love_. > >> 2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? > > linctus house, vibrating, all i wanna do is fall in love, fifty two > stations, > autumn is your last chance, insect mother, and, yes, airscape. > > ken "looking forward to finding that special someone to share wafflehead > with" > the kenster > > np flow foetus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: bring me the face of liv tyler On Thu, 17 May 2001, steve wrote: > > The seventh volume is the appendices usually located at the back of > > The Return of The King. > I think the first U.S. publication was a single volume. An unauthorized > paperback edition by Ace books. But who would want to CARRY such a monsterous tome around and read on the bus? The point was that my lovely seven volume set is just right for a big book like that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Amateur Psychology. Yay! On Fri, 18 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > > but I'm fascinated with the obsessive/possessive/complete takeover of > > body and soul side of Robyn: > > well pointed out. I must admit I've noticed the same, and wondered whether > a juxtaposition of "I'm only you" and "Sometimes I wish I was a preety > girl" would be entirely seemly... I think about this sort of thing quite a bit. There's a certain kind of person who wants to sort of dissolve into their lover and lose their own body-awareness when having sex. I think they want to lose it all the time, but sex has so much bonding/injecting/penetrating association that it's the only thing to come close to completing the illusion. Robyn expresses quite a bit in his early work a feeling of bodily discomfort. And it makes sense because he's a big gangly guy and probably had a quick growth spurt at one point and has been long and thin his whole life. So he hasn't been comfortable with the body that grew under him... and that's exactly how he views it... his body kind of grew out from where he lives in his head (or grew between and out from where he lives in his head and stomach and crotch -- which I believe are the three places cited as the seat of consciousness and mystical energy most consistently) and isn't his so much as he can't get rid of it. There are lots of people like this. In fact, I can almost gaurantee that a person who thinks the height of sex is a loss of physical self is quite uncomfortable with the body they've grown. For men, I find it's the tall, thin guys that grew too fast and didn't mentally cope with the body they've got... And for women, well, it takes all kinds in this western world because there are damned few women that grow the bodies that seem good enough for the world at large. But also, I think it's particularly true of people that didn't cope with their bodies in late adolescence rather than people who just don't like their bodies because they've neglected it... it's a different sort of ... err ... mental state. I'll step down now. And please note that unlike many of my posts around here, this one doesn't contain hard, fast beliefs that I've reasoned endlessly and will defend with any kind of force. Likely that I shouldn't send this at all and will regret it tomorrow... but some of you still love me right? right? oh dear J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:55:16 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Lords, Virginity, etc. On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 07:27 PM, James Dignan wrote: > "Meet the Feebles". Yup, sick indeed. But I take it from the paucity of > people mentioning "Heavenly Creatures" that very few of you have seen it? > For shame! I confess, but the laudatory reviews didn't indicate that it had the kind of monsters I usually look for. - - Steve __________ "we must therefore reject the central animating idea of modern Establishment Clause analysis: that taxpayers have a constitutional right to insist that none of their taxes be used for religious purposes." - Michael McConnell, Bush Circuit Court nominee ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #203 ********************************