From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #200 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 10 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: small rant about Douglas Adams [Stephen Mahoney ] hot monkey sex ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: RIP - The Bozo Show [Stephen Mahoney ] defending Bashki. [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Bargain [Eric Loehr ] Re: Bargain [Capuchin ] Re: Crock 'n Roll [Capuchin ] Bakshi [The Great Quail ] Copyright control ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Bakshi [Ken Weingold ] Re: Bakshi [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Bakshi [Ken Weingold ] i'm an alien, baby; i'm an outsider [=b ] Re: Bakshi [HAL ] Re: Crock 'n Roll [Terrence Marks ] Re: Bakshi [Stephen Mahoney ] Face down like the Queen of Hearts ["Parsley,Sage Rosemary&Thyme" ] Re: RIP - The Bozo Show ["J. Brown" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: small rant about Douglas Adams and please dont forget portlands own Robert Scheckley circa 50's-late 60's short stories; Absolutely excellent short story fiction writing, excellent humor, excellent sci-fi. - -mahoney On Wed, 16 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >Got the news about Douglas Adams from this list. > >Thanks, I guess. > Asimov, no less! There was tons of humour in science fiction before Adams - > Asimov, Bretnor/Briarton, Pratt & De Camp, Garrett, Bester, and Sladek, to > name just several. > > Adams contribution was great, but he didn't introduce comedy to science > fiction any more than, say, Monty Python was the first TV comedy show. As > with Python, he simply took it to a higher, more surreal level. > > And if you want a fitting epitaph for Adams work, simply look at the > authors who are currently writing that particular style of comedy/science > fiction. Get yourself some Terry Pratchett or Tom Holt. The trend towards > comedy in science fiction that was extended, but not started, by Adams, > continues. > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:05:41 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Crock 'n Roll >"Happy When it Rains" by the Church (?I think). probably jesus and mary chain. doubt that you'd confuse garbage for the church. >The one that really galled me, though, was nicking "Tom Sawyer" by Rush. A >song about trying to be a rebel and free thinker being used for a car >commercial? MY GOD. I have to assume that the only reason Nissan used it was >because it had made it into the public domain after 20 years (read: >free)...I can't believe Rush would sell it off like that if they still owned >it, unless perhaps because of the staggering irony involved. gawd! i would hope that they are making some money off of it. chances are that the record company gets to make the final ok. i doubt that things slip into public domain that easily these days... ken "the changes are permanent" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:06:48 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: hot monkey sex >From: "Motherfucking Asshole" [me:] >Apes_ bored me and I don't expect the new one to appeal to me that >much either. I trusted Tim Burton up until that awful Sleepy Hollow. Marky >Mark and the female lead should make for nice eye-candy, though.> > >, >. I didn't mean Helena Bonham-Carter (who looks fine if a bit pale...outside the monkey suit, anyway). >From: Miles Goosens >Since I'm much fonder of Byrne's post-Heads career than almost anyone else >I know, and FEELINGS was maybe the best thing he'd done on his own since >MUSIC FOR THE KNEE PLAYS (where's the CD of that, dammit?), I'm very up for >this album. You'll be very pleased. It's very much in the mold of _Feelings_, except maybe a little more straightforward and warmer (no Devo this time out, but a great Cafe T{e,a}cuba guest spot). I hadn't paid much attention to his prior solo stuff, and I'm still not all that excited by it, but these two albums are top-notch. >I've taped the recent DUNE miniseries, but haven't set aside six hours to >watch it yet. Some fegs liked it a lot. I finally sat through the whole thing with some friends and ended up apologizing profusely to them. It was a crushing bore when we weren't laughing at the awful, awful, awful performances by the Spacing Guild and the Sisterhood. I loathed every aspect of it, save for the much more watchable Harkonnens, and will likely never bother to watch it again. I'll gladly accept Lynch's inexplicable deviations over this incredibly lackluster attempt. I didn't like William Hurt much before watching the miniseries and now I just hate him. [LOTR] >When I read them as a teen and adult, they end far too quickly. "Dull" >doesn't even enter into the equation for me. Chacun a son gout, I suppose. I moved my eyes over them as a young teen and haven't returned to them -- maybe it would be different these days, but at the moment I'm trying to make it through the Gormenghast trilogy. I'd agree with your take on Tim Burton, though I was disappointed in _Nightmare Before Christmas_ in a lot of ways, too (frequently ham-handed lyrics, the underdeveloped Sally character). - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: RIP - The Bozo Show what do you mean, last bozo??? there is still one residing out of costume at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue! On Tue, 15 May 2001, HAL wrote: > >From the latest TV Guide: > > "At the peak, there were 205 Bozos on TV worldwide...But on August 26, > the last Bozo in America will sign off at WGN in Chicago." > > http://wgntv.com/station/bozotime/index.html > > /hal > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: defending Bashki. I still support ralph( he "fleshes" out his characters in a way I have not seen in most currently working animators) fully knowing all of his flaws in his major projects: streetfight( a streetsmart retelling of brer rabbit), cool world,wizards and lord of the rings.....they all have this tone and atmosphere that I have yet to discover in another animator outside of the brothers quay, jan svankmajer (and the dude who animated the tool videos!) On Tue, 15 May 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > > ralph is one of the best character animators in the biz!(if not the best!) > > INHO!!!! > > You apparently saw a different version of American Pop* than I did. It's > almost as if Bakshi had never seen a movie or a cartoon before and was > making it up from vague descriptions, and heavily rotoscoped. It's > definitely interesting, in an Ed Wood/Joe Meek sort of way, but I wouldn't > describe him as good at what he does. > > *: And Cool World. And Wizards. And Lord of the Rings. > > Terrence Marks > Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com > The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com > normal@grove.ufl.edu > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:18:56 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Bargain At 02:10 PM 5/16/01 -0400, Ken Ostrander wrote: (Eric wrote): >>Yep -- they play it at least 4 times an hour during Red Sox games. What's >>worse, is I'm pretty sure it's *the Who* 's own recording (or an incredible >>simulation.) Ugh!! > >why is that worse? if i've got to listen to a song on a commercial, i'd rather >that it's the real version and not some cheesy, canned version. i mean, how >much money do they really save by having another version recorded? e-yuk! I look at it this way: cheesy, canned version = The Who Sell Out The Who's own version= The Who REALLY Sell Out I don't blame Nissan for going for the real Who version; I blame Townshend & Co. for letting them use it. Color me disillusioned (although I guess I've come to expect it) when someone apparently cares so little about their art to sell not only one of their songs, but their very own performance of it. I'd hate either one, actually, but I can at least rationalize hearing a cheap copy version as "maybe the artist really needs the money for some good reason". Does Pete *really* need that extra cash? (Well, ok, maybe he's trying to finance that new radio version of Lifehouse, or the new sitcom version of Tommy... ) Not only that, it's bad enough drilling, oh, twenty-five or so seconds of *any* song into your head every quarter hour, but I reserve the right to be annoyed (and it's a *bad* kind of annoyed) when I'm starting to get sick of one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite albums - -just so Nissan can try to sell me a car??? Eric "almost as old and boring a crotchety old fart as Townshend" L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Bargain On Wed, 16 May 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > why is that worse? if i've got to listen to a song on a commercial, > i'd rather that it's the real version and not some cheesy, canned > version. i mean, how much money do they really save by having another > version recorded? e-yuk! Canned version: publishing royalties + work-for-hire studio musician fees "original" version: publishing royalties + recording artist's royalties Sizes up quite bit. When the publisher and the recording artist (or owner of the recording, as modern, mislead copyright law makes no distinction between artists and people who hire artists) are one and the same (and a very large number of artists have their own little semi-corporations to "publish" their works [e.g. Two Crabs, August 23, People Suck Music, etc.]), you just need to go one place for permission. When they're different, you gotta get permission from both (and pay twice, usually). And usually, if a recording artist is also the publisher, then they are selling out and they'll let you use both. I can't think of a single instance where this didn't happen... i.e. where the owner of the recording is also the publisher and they allowed use of the song but not the recording. The exception would be, of course, if the person wishing to use the tune wants to change some small aspect of the song (a lyric, what have you) and can't or would prefer not to use the recording owned by the publisher. In other words, if it's a canned version, the person who originally recorded the song or is best known for recording the song or whatever is probably not seeing a dime. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Crock 'n Roll On Wed, 16 May 2001, Mike wells wrote: > I have to assume that the only reason Nissan used it was because it > had made it into the public domain after 20 years (read: free)... That world you live in, Mike, it sounds tolerable! Nothing in this country has fallen out of copyright since WWII... even things created before WWII that were under copyright during WWII are still under copyright. A few things have been specifically placed in the public domain. A few copyright holders have had their copyrights taken away due to abuse. But nothing has simply "fallen out" of copyright in more than fifty years. And we can thank the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act of 1999 for making sure that nothing will fall out for 20 more. (And I'm sure we'll have something like the Ted Nugent Copyright Extension Act of 2018 to push that out until we can pass the Joey Lawrence Copyright Extension Act of 2037.) J. -- completely convinced that the Bono Act was passed purely to preserve Disney's hold on Mickey Mouse. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:59:34 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Bakshi I love Bakshi, and I really enjoyed his Lord of the Rings. I think it captured a lot of the mystery and terror, and the scenes in the weird "Ring-domain" were just downright creepy. I also liked the music, too - -- it just bordered on atonal at times, giving some things a real alien character. I pretty much liked most of Bakshi's films...though I do think they are certainly in a, shall we say, "stoner" mode..... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:15:02 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Copyright control Jeme noted: >When the publisher and the recording artist (or owner of the recording, as >modern, mislead copyright law makes no distinction between artists and >people who hire artists) are one and the same (and a very large number of >artists have their own little semi-corporations to "publish" their works >[e.g. Two Crabs, August 23, People Suck Music, etc.]), you just need to go >one place for permission. When they're different, you gotta get >permission from both (and pay twice, usually). You can copyright the work (i.e., the song publishing rights, identified traditionally with the "circle c" mark) and you can copyright the sound recording (the "circle p," for phonograph recording, mark). In the old days, it was standard for the copyright in the sound recording to be held by the record companies; the theory being that they invested the cash in the recording equipment, studio time, marketing, etc, so they control the *expression* of the idea, while the artist controls the idea (song) itself. This leads to inevitable problems when record companies and artists "divorce" and wrangle for control of the back catalogue. (e.g., Prince re-recording "1999" because Warners held the copyright to the original sound recording). This is no longer so standard, but it still happens. I'll let Robert Fripp have the last word on this (and you know he would have jumped in on the discussion at some point if I hadn't done this for him): "The phonographic copyright in these performances [on "Heavy ConstruKction"] is operated by Discipline Global Mobile on behalf of the artists, with whom it resides, contrary to common practice in the record industry. Discipline accepts no reason for artists to assign the copyright interests in their work to either record company or management by virtue of a 'common practice' which was always questionable, often improper, and is now indefensible." - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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With me and my friends, Hey Good Lookin' is a classic. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Bakshi bakshi also worked on mighty mouse.....but probably had less sexual undertones than his other stuff. - -stm On Wed, 16 May 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > Wow, I don't get to hear Bakshi mentioned much. With me and my > friends, Hey Good Lookin' is a classic. > > > -Ken > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:33:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bakshi On Wed, May 16, 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > > bakshi also worked on mighty mouse.....but probably had less sexual > undertones than his other stuff. Oh my god. I totally forgot about those. I loved those episodes. Are they in print anywhere? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: i'm an alien, baby; i'm an outsider http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:45:01 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Bakshi Quail wrote: > I love Bakshi, and I really enjoyed his Lord of the Rings. > I pretty much liked most of Bakshi's films...though I do think they > are certainly in a, shall we say, "stoner" mode..... I liked Fritz The Cat (despite R. Crumb hating it; he responded by killing the character with an ice pick in the next comic strip he drew), Heavy Traffic (my favorite), Wizards (2nd favorite, despite its "borrowing" the Vaughn Bode Cobalt-60 character uncredited. I really love the Mike Ploog pen and ink storyboards that were used during the voiceover narration sequences. Also, the first use of rotoscoping which is no worse than the digital "cheating" used today), Hey Good Lookin' (50's gang violence), and (of course) Bakshi's New Adventures Of Mighty Mouse cartoons! Lord Of The Rings was ambitious but ultimately unfinished. What exists is mediocre (and, yes, there is way too much rotoscoping this time.) Despised: American Pop. Since Bakshi couldn't get the music/likeness rights he needed, bland composite character sketches and even blander "music" was used to tell the "history" and it didn't work. Ambitious but deeply flawed. He should have abandoned the project instead of soldiering on without the proper soundtrack. Also despised: the wretched Cool World. *vomit* Haven't seen (but would love to): Coonskin, Fire and Ice (w/Frazetta!) I wasn't familiar with This Ain't Bebop, The Cool and The Crazy, and Spicy City until I looked here: http://www.ralphbakshi.com/ In the realm of animation, you can't deny Bakshi's contribution. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Crock 'n Roll On Wed, 16 May 2001, Capuchin wrote: > That world you live in, Mike, it sounds tolerable! > > Nothing in this country has fallen out of copyright since WWII... even > things created before WWII that were under copyright during WWII are still > under copyright. The current limit is 76 years, right? I've started putting up old songs for my vaudeville-themed comic and would rather not get my host sued. > J. -- completely convinced that the Bono Act was passed purely > to preserve Disney's hold on Mickey Mouse. Hmm...the Alice cartoons and Oswald the Rabbit are public domain now, though, right? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Bakshi he worked first as cel painter then as main animator until he became director at 25 for terrytoons which included mighty mouse deputy dawg and heckle and jeckle until age 29, when he was hired as creative director of the cbs studio working where the fleischer bros. once worked. he hired jim sterenko(wonderful marvel inker) mort drucker(mad magazine) jack davis joe kubit roy krinkle wally wood. at 33 he did fritz the cat ( which I still havent seen)...then did the new adventures of mighty mouse in '87-88 with john( ren and stimpy)K. also did a live action series on the beat generation with harvey keitel for pbs. god, this guy is cool!!!! http://www.ralphbakshi.com/ On Wed, 16 May 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > > > > > bakshi also worked on mighty mouse.....but probably had less sexual > > undertones than his other stuff. > > Oh my god. I totally forgot about those. I loved those episodes. > Are they in print anywhere? > > > -Ken > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:01:09 -0000 From: "Parsley,Sage Rosemary&Thyme" Subject: Face down like the Queen of Hearts Great story Ross, especially like your take on fame: >The prize is a personalized, life-sized, rocket-propelled cross, > >accompanied by >four centurions, two surgeons, an anesthesiologist, a navigator, a >press >agent >and an infinite sky full of graduate students. Dont forget 4 nails and a spear. Plus a sign which says "King of the Blues." Christ, Im wincing at my own blue nuns. Is the navigator blind or just purblind? And tell me about the drugs. By the way--the bees in the pelvis all singing n stinging n whot-- Isnt that "The Agony of Pleasure"? Ferris: >It was high time someone took LOTR to film and it's only been >recently >that the technology's been available to do it Agreed. And the visuals Ive seen so far seem decent(thou Im scared they will Disneyfy the Ents.) Just the fact that they cast Cate Blanchett instead of Pamala Lee Anderson as Gladreiel is a good sign. I love LOTR the book(yes it had a million things wrong with it--but it's still a great book. Great books can be bad--Much of Hemingway,War and Peace for example. But they're still Great--theres a magnitude, an enchantment to their badness.) I so so want this movie to be beautiful and meaningful. Or even better --sublime. I dont care if Im setting myself up for disapointment. I WANT this. Gloster: >Am told that if you are highly motivated you may retain your purity. Dont worry, my purity is unassailable. Mahoney-- I loved the first Rescuers(movie and the books.).In fact, in my list of childhood influences how could I forget Ms Bianca and Bernard, Mrs Piggle-Wiggle and the Borrowers)? Robertson Davies hero name: Bob McWisniewskison Gabrialle Roy hero name: Patrick La Wisniewskiieux Tolstoy hero name: Count Kaytian Lordobov Neubrensky Wisniewskiov Ken, I am so impressed. >"A few months ago, Ostrander, 32, and Bissaro, 31, > started the Allston-Brighton Green Party with the goal > of bringing people in the community together to create > change and solve neighborhood problems themselves > instead of waiting for change to come from above, > they say." I love this sort of stuff. I hate politics but I love empowering a community to make life better. Love small, hate big. Major bravos. Ken: >i have to remember not to let this go to my head. Dont worry, we wouldnt let it;-) Drew: >Oh, and to compound my Philistine tendencies: the original _Planet of >the Apes_ bored me and I don't expect the new one to appeal to me >that >much either. I trusted Tim Burton up until that awful Sleepy >Hollow. Hmmm, agree 100% with comment 1, disagree 75% with comment 2. Havent seen POTA since it came out but thought it was real stupid then. Roddy McDowell in the worst makeup of his career. I have never been able to abide Heston in anything but the Orsen Wells movie, and Im not even sure about that. The special effects were horrendus. It wore its 60s moralizing in flashing dayglo on its forehead. Hated it. Sleepy Hollow? Well I saw it in the middle of a long flight but I liked it. That Irving Hudson Valley Dutch slight shiver of horror isnt really Burton's territory but I think he just made it work. Frankly I was prepared for it to be really aweful. And so was easily semi-pleased. I loved the chalky grey-brown tones. No--not Bozo! Steve: >Hey, the crazy librarian lady is going to be a regular on Angel Theres a crazy librarian lady on a Angel! And thats all you have to say! Tell me about it. All about it. How crazy is she? By any chance is she a blonde with glasses;-)? Ive never watched Angel, thou it would be easy to since Buffy is the one show everyone my household watches. Is Angel any good? Do do tell. Eric: >I'm pretty sure it's *the Who* 's own recording Agreed. When it comes to bucks Townsend has no shame. The problem with using the original version is that the original version then becomes unlistenable because your subconsious has been implanted with evil images which crop up if you do try to listen. Luckily I so overplayed that album when it came out that I havent been able to listen to it for a long time anyway. Isnt "Happy When it Rains" Garbage? Kay, very proud of her new herb/vegtable patch, and very happy if it rains soon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:12:26 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: virginity I lost my virginity to I Often Dream of Trains. The line "This could be the day I waited for all my life..." rings particularly true. Possible discussion points: 1} Assuming that it has happened, what song/album was playing when you lost your virginity? and/or 2} What RH albums/songs are associated with your amorous life? Perhaps this has been discussed already, I am rather new to the list [vol 10 #75] so I hope I haven't repeated anything here. Good times, Chas in LA --> http://theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: RIP - The Bozo Show On Wed, 16 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > what do you mean, last bozo??? > there is still one residing out of costume at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue! Maybe thats why WGN decided to cancel their show what with CNN and CSPAN giving more coverage. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Put your faith in death because it's free" -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #200 ********************************