From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #195 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 12 2001 Volume 10 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Randi has a new e-mail address [Carole Reichstein ] Re: to be finnish would be a relief [steve ] the man with the lightswitch sexuality ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] couldn't resist (get back, jojo) [=b ] Re: the man with the lightswitch sexuality [HAL ] bigger than the beatles! [HAL ] [comics] anti-sim rant [HAL ] Re: bigger than the beatles! [Eb ] Re: bigger than the beatles! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegrecap and commentary 2001 the ewok years: ["Motherfucking Asshole"] Toronto - NO RH (Thurs) [Mike Swedene ] RH - Rust Theater 10/90 [Mike Swedene ] Reap ["Rob" ] Re: Reap ["Rob" ] douglas adams dead? [Jim Davies ] Re: douglas adams dead? [Jim Davies ] << Set Up your Representative Office in HK / PRC before China joining WTO >> (fwd) [Stephen Mahoney ] Some lite weekend reading [steve ] Ken Burns' next project ["Ian Gray" ] Rainy Twilight Coast Tablature [theodius ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Randi has a new e-mail address An unfortunate incident broke her laptop computer, which just happens to contain all of her feg e-mail addresses. I talked to Randi last week, and she said her laptop makes a weird growling noise when she tries to turn it on. She has a new e-mail address that she can check her e-mail at: rls@canada.com Randi would love to hear from any and all fegs. She has some stories to tell. And could someone forward her the Scary Mary paper doll URL? That was pure genius. Carole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:17:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: was this already posted? if not.... http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=873528103/pagename=/RP/GENRES/cms_genres.html/fid=263585/gid=6/languageID=0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:07:48 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: to be finnish would be a relief On Friday, May 11, 2001, at 04:13 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Oh, Christ, and don't forget Richard fucking Marx. A couple of my coworkers got endless joy from referring to him as Dick. - - Steve __________ Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown! - Darph Bobo http://www.trippingtherift.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:01:40 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the man with the lightswitch sexuality >From: dmw > >i'm uncomfortable with the notion that something as complicated and >intrinsically messy as human sexuality is supposed to be reducible to a >two-position switch. I'm stuck in the middle! aw shit! Someone posted a typically pompous and stuffy but right on the money open letter to one of the bi lists I'm on about how the "functioning heterosexual" behavior and attractions described as "success" in the study actually describe *bisexual* behavior and attractions pretty well. Lots of straight people, as well as more gay people than you'd expect, still don't see how human sexuality can be anything other than a two-position switch. I always offer to demonstrate. >From: Carole Reichstein >What is the most embarrassing '80's album that you still own? That's a tough one. It's probably the Milli Vanilli cassette. I think I also have a copy of the Marky Mark cassette, but I can't remember if that was 80s or not -- I think it was early 90s, right? >If you haven't read it, I highly recommend Boy George's "Take it Like a >Man" autobiography. I have it but I haven't gotten around to reading it. It's on my list! >From: HAL >Subject: [comics] Women For CEREBUS! > >A female POV on Sim and his controversial Creation: > >http://www.ninthart.com/display.php?article=10 Summary: she agrees he's a rancid misogynist, but she ignores that because he makes great art. I've done that before. My reasons are the same as hers. If I'd had a chance to get to know Sim's work before I read his insanity, I might feel the same way. As it is, I'm not too motivated to find out if he makes great art or if he is just alleged to by many many people. I have a book of Hothead Paisan. It's rancidly misanthropic (in the sense of "anti-male"). I'll cop to preferring that sexism to Sim's, in part because I think it has a firmer grounding in reality (despite being portrayed at outrageously larger-than-life proportions). But I also feel a little queasy when I read it. This sort of thing is never as simple as "either you shun all art with festering tumors of darkness within it, or you ignore those tumors completely." At least not for me. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:11:22 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: politics, some 80s music, ignore at will >>>``Actions have consequences. Our U.N. friends have an option -- if >>> they would like to get the payment, they will vote the United >>> States back on the commission,'' said Rep. Tom Lantos (news - bio - >>> voting record) technically they do have an option - members of the UN that don't pay their subs have their membership revoked. It won't happen, of course, they'll most likely simply bow to the US's extortion. >The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it >should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, >the American way of life is a blessed one. > >- Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy fearing for your life every time you go to school is also part of the American way of life. So? > i greatly dislike the idea of basing gay rights initiatives on the idea > that people just can't help themselves; I greatly dilike there having to be 'gay rights initiatives'. They'd be unneccessary if everyone was treated the same regardless of sexual orientation. >i'm uncomfortable with the notion that something as complicated and >intrinsically messy as human sexuality is supposed to be reducible to a >two-position switch. very well put, as is Kay's comment of "why reduce the menu?" >Oh, Christ, and don't forget Richard fucking Marx. There were worse >80s artists for sure, but he was the real thorn in my side during his >15 minutes of fame. Ugh. Blandorama. two words: Christopher Cross James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: what is it about grain silos which makes them appear to be p_ I dont know that much about Sims stance politicaly or otherwise, but I too like his work. I dont think of a male chauvanist(sp) pig when reading his stuff. Its the same with Picasso.I have to defend Picasso against my more feminist-conscious friends, as a person you could say Picasso was a monster, but as an artist he was a master, however he was the one I believe who coined the phrase "art is life" so then the question remains does Picasso's ( and Sim's) life spill into their art enough for them to be considered assholes, or are they two separate things? Some people wont listen to bands based on their actions outside of or beyond the music itself...once I mentioned the spin doctors to someone trying to impress them since once upon a time they were from the NW but the person responded- oh yeah the lead singer tried to hit on my friend, what a jerk! (Poor example since I dont like the spin doctors music at all!) - -Mahoney On Fri, 11 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >From: dmw > > > >i'm uncomfortable with the notion that something as complicated and > >intrinsically messy as human sexuality is supposed to be reducible to a > >two-position switch. > > I'm stuck in the middle! aw shit! > > Someone posted a typically pompous and stuffy but right on the money > open letter to one of the bi lists I'm on about how the "functioning > heterosexual" behavior and attractions described as "success" in the > study actually describe *bisexual* behavior and attractions pretty > well. Lots of straight people, as well as more gay people than you'd > expect, still don't see how human sexuality can be anything other than > a two-position switch. > > I always offer to demonstrate. > > >From: Carole Reichstein > > >What is the most embarrassing '80's album that you still own? > > That's a tough one. It's probably the Milli Vanilli cassette. > I think I also have a copy of the Marky Mark cassette, but I can't > remember if that was 80s or not -- I think it was early 90s, right? > > >If you haven't read it, I highly recommend Boy George's "Take it Like a > >Man" autobiography. > > I have it but I haven't gotten around to reading it. It's on my list! > > > >From: HAL > >Subject: [comics] Women For CEREBUS! > > > >A female POV on Sim and his controversial Creation: > > > >http://www.ninthart.com/display.php?article=10 > > Summary: she agrees he's a rancid misogynist, but she ignores > that because he makes great art. > > I've done that before. My reasons are the same as hers. If > I'd had a chance to get to know Sim's work before I read his > insanity, I might feel the same way. As it is, I'm not too > motivated to find out if he makes great art or if he is just > alleged to by many many people. > > I have a book of Hothead Paisan. It's rancidly misanthropic > (in the sense of "anti-male"). I'll cop to preferring that > sexism to Sim's, in part because I think it has a firmer grounding > in reality (despite being portrayed at outrageously larger-than-life > proportions). But I also feel a little queasy when I read it. > This sort of thing is never as simple as "either you shun all > art with festering tumors of darkness within it, or you ignore > those tumors completely." At least not for me. > > Drew > -- > Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com > http://www.stormgreen.com/ > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:45:13 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: fegrecap and commentary 2001 the ewok years: thredz: influenza: Some of us had to watch Lawrence Welk when it was on. Our heads exploded. Now we listen to Robyn Hitchcock. I did forget to mention Tom Lehrer. 80's music: Please let me know that there are more choices than Simon Le (I can't sing one note in a row on key) Bon, Ramabanana, and Spandau Ballet. changing preference: I don't know if I can speak rationally about this. I understand NLP and how it succeeds: a person who is "highly motivated" can change behavior, preferences, whatever. This does actually work, but using coercion and guilt as the driving "motivators" is just shit in my book. This view follows my beliefs about organized religion: "what makes you so damn sure you have the right answer for me?" from the spanghew chronicles, a Ken Burns documentary: "I remember in the sixties, man, when my uncle was a member of the Frog Spanghew and Toad Lickers United 233 local union. They were really good to toads and frogs. But that was before the whole thing got so commercial and the teamsters took the whole action over. I think they even got his pension. The poor bastard had to dance in a tutu on street corners just to buy his soy mash whiskey. He died penniless, but he had a great pair of gams." us government: Wow. They're fucking bastards. I'm shocked, horrified, and even appalled. Guess me 'n' Th.' kinfolk out'a stop datin' each othern 'n' start votin' fer peeples that ain't jes' shit covered with skin. non-voting floridians: hmm, they might have been able to counter the evil doings of Terry Marks to put Brian Wilson in the white house, but could they teach him to speak like a person who is _actually_ from this country? I don't actually remember a big tent outreach toward convicts from the democratic party. I do know of some overtures from that other big party toward people whose names we know from junk bonds and S&L's. adventures of a music journalist of renown: "...Finding new love in the public bath house, he decided to retire back to his chateau with his new friends Tinky Winky and Grampa Smurf. After stopping to pick up some fine cuisine and choose off some six year olds at the playland they returned to the limousine. 'Let me fondle your tender McNuggets,' he cooed as they left the McDonald's parking lot. Together, the three of them had had some serious fun _and_ honey mustard this evening. He had found himself fortunate to leave the show with neither of the Wainrights, but tonight his thoughts would return to a subject that continued to haunt him. Why does Eddie have this thing about my ass? Of course, he also wondered why this pleased him so. He drifted off to sleep to the lilting melodies of Claudine Longet and dreamed of eating the tails of chocolate bunnies and running away from the giant udders of the women of the planet xerpluplu..." whizz bang techie weinerismitude: well _I_ use a hurdy-gurdy with a self-winding solar difibulator for my Timex Sinclair running ASSLIX for generating wax cylinders which I melt down to make 8 track tapes on my Windows for Assholes machine with the Digital Wax To Fecal CD utility and then place the CD's on Eb's ass and he farts the songs into MP3 format. I put them in a pickle jar in the refrigerator. It is the only way to do it that keeps some of those clicks from happening, but it does smell like pickle hummous chickenMcpolyp wax farts. I think I'm leaving out a step or two, but it's really simple. I hope this catches y'all up with the list. Apologies for omissions and misinterpretations. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: politics, some 80s music, ignore at will On Sat, 12 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >Oh, Christ, and don't forget Richard fucking Marx. There were worse > >80s artists for sure, but he was the real thorn in my side during his > >15 minutes of fame. Ugh. Blandorama. > > two words: Christopher Cross Ack! For a long moment there, I thought you were referring to me! I don't usually confuse myself with Mr. Cross, but I *was* occasionally called by his name in school. Children can be so cruel. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:53:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the man with the lightswitch sexuality >>From: Carole Reichstein >>What is the most embarrassing '80's album that you still own? Mmm...I guess it would be either Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper/Bo-Day-Shus!!! or Genesis' self-titled album (you know, the one with "Mama"). You pick. Eb, who's *finally* going to see Oasis for the first time on Monday :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: couldn't resist (get back, jojo) On Fri, 11 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > my more feminist-conscious friends, as a person you could say Picasso was > a monster, but as an artist he was a master, however he was the one I > believe who coined the phrase "art is life" so then the question remains > does Picasso's ( and Sim's) life spill into their art enough for them to > be considered assholes, or are they two separate things? according to jonathan richman, pablo picasso never got called an asshole. check out the new tribute album: http://wampus.com/jojo.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:34:09 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: the man with the lightswitch sexuality > >A female POV on Sim and his controversial Creation: > > > >http://www.ninthart.com/display.php?article=10 Drew: > Summary: she agrees he's a rancid misogynist Nowhere does she say that. She does use the term "sexist", which is more accurate. > I have a book of Hothead Paisan. It's rancidly misanthropic > (in the sense of "anti-male"). I'll cop to preferring that > sexism to Sim's... Right! Sexism. Not "misogynist" hate. Now you're getting it. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:49:05 -0600 From: HAL Subject: bigger than the beatles! > *finally* going to see Oasis for the first time on Monday Opening for the Black Crowes? That band is nine months and a rehab stint away from "Where Are They Now?" /hal, who never understood their appeal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:54:46 -0600 From: HAL Subject: [comics] anti-sim rant http://www.tcj.com/233/report.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:23:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: bigger than the beatles! >That band is nine months and a rehab stint >away from "Where Are They Now?" > >/hal, who never understood their appeal Who...Oasis or the Crowes? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bigger than the beatles! Eb wrote: > >That band is nine months and a rehab stint > >away from "Where Are They Now?" > > > >/hal, who never understood their appeal > > Who...Oasis or the Crowes? > > Eb haven't they both already had Behind the Musics anyway? ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:37:22 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: fegrecap and commentary 2001 the ewok years: which just goes to show that there are heights of hypcocrisy which even the democratic party will not scale. the also, of course, didn't say jack shit about the alarming harrassment of blacks attemtping to vote -- even though their inaction quite possibly cost them the presidency. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Toronto - NO RH (Thurs) Anyone in or near Toronto... heads up! REM are going to perform an outdoor concert for free. This is their only scheduled appearance as a group in North America. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend at this time. If anyone goes can they record it? I will post details later..... I think the performance is set for 12:30. Peace, love, lobsters, and POSITIVE pete buck stories? Herbie np - David Bowie "Ziggy Stardust" "Lady Stardust" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: RH - Rust Theater 10/90 Whilst zipping through a box of Videotapes, I came across one of my first bootlegs I ever bought on video. It is a video of the RUST THEATER of Mr. Hitchcock solo in NYC, I believe it is from Oct. 1990. it is on VHS and is very clear. Anyone interested in a trade, please let me know. If there is a big enough demand, perhaps we'll start another tree or whatever. Peace, lust, and Iron Chef prepared Lobster! Herbie np - Beatles LET IT BE "Dig A Pony" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:20:57 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Reap Douglas Adams, author of THHGTTG and various Dr Who stories amongst other things. Today of a heart attack. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:11:34 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Reap On 12 May 2001, at 12:20, I wrote: > Douglas Adams, author of THHGTTG and various Dr Who stories > amongst other things. Today of a heart attack. > Actually was yesterday (friday). http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1326000/1326657.stm - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:16:05 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Davies Subject: douglas adams dead? Help! personal hero no longer of this world situation query/ no useful confirmation from England since they are obsessed with cup final and heat wave/ ditto here in asia/ but 16 hours back, you guys in portland seattle etc can tell me it's not so/ say it's not so funny asking a mailing list about something that really matters x jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:38:04 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Davies Subject: Re: douglas adams dead? Damn. He really is dead. In Santa Barbera. If you guys already knew, then I'm sorry for interrupting the anti-capitalist/free trade bandwidth. x Jim p.s. Eddie is cool ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: << Set Up your Representative Office in HK / PRC before China joining WTO >> (fwd) at first I thought this was a joke e-mail but this is the second one of these that I have recieved....... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: IES Lab. Inc. To: SG, US Subject: << Set Up your Representative Office in HK / PRC before China joining WTO >> << Set Up your Representative Office in HK / PRC before China joining WTO >> =A1@ China will join WTO in the nearest future. Many Corporations all over the world are preparing aggressively in order to capture such an enormous business opportunity. Before intruding into China market, set up a representative office is a necessary procedure. 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If you do not want to receive our mail again, pls click remove@ies-lab.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: too little too late now that we're all good and done talking about it, http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/hidden.html is working properly again, which took me longer than it ought. not that you lot wouyld try to hack it, but it's more secure than it was last time it worked. funny thing -- i've th ought for years that i was a pretty fair code slinger, but it's seldom that i look at something i wrote two years ago and don't have a 'yoiks, why'd i do it *that* way??' moment. so tonight i'm going to an 80's themed party -- you're supposed to come dressed as an 80's video star, and bring a related food. e.g. stacy who's throwing it is going to be one of the b52's gals, and bring 'private idaho potato skins.' i'm billy idol with a white cake that says "it's a nice day," a bit of a cheat since i'm going to wear lots of black, leather, spikes, etc. same as always. but my hair is pretty ready for billyness. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:29:00 -0500 From: steve Subject: Some lite weekend reading http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6825-2001May9.html - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:17:35 +1000 From: "Ian Gray" Subject: Ken Burns' next project Kent Zimmer, a man he impressed at a party by naming every member of the Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" quintet This was in the days when Ken thought a sextet was something you did in bed. Inkster Threes enough for a quartet, anyway: Idi Amin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: theodius Subject: Rainy Twilight Coast Tablature Anyone out there have guitar tablature for "Rainy Twilight Coast"? or some advice on how to play it right? Just bought a new accoustic guitar..Alvarez-DY-70.............OPA!!!! ===== http://www.theos-place.com Yahoo! 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