From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #192 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 10 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: rose-colored crap [steve ] Re: hedden trucks [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Holy voting felons, Batman! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] rate the 80s ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: rate the 80s [Ken Weingold ] Television show tonight! ["brian nupp" ] sigh ["Natalie Jacobs" ] 80s music [Christopher Gross ] Re: Holy voting felons, Batman! [Capuchin ] RE: Holy voting felons, Batman! ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: dylan nd 80's glam nothing in common? [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: hidden tracks (Pixies) [Mike Swedene ] RE: Holy voting felons, Batman! [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: sigh [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:00:33 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: rose-colored crap On Wednesday, May 9, 2001, at 10:07 PM, Capuchin wrote: > I read some of the other articles at this site. (www.buzzflash.com) Hey, it's a link site, probably run by at most a handful of people. And look, there's E.J. Dionne Jr. saying some nice things about anti-globalism. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60943-2001May7.html > All I have to say is that I've never seen as much rose-colored crap in one > place. Perhaps they would benefit from some acute Constitutional analysis. Better hurry though, before Bush turns the country into a research project for the University of Chicago. > Clearly it's an east coast operation (or firmly midwest). What's the first tip - the less than Harry Shearer quality humor? - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:06:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: hedden trucks >> on the pixies _surfer rose/come on pilgrim_ disk i have, there's a hidden >> track >> of studio banter somewhere in the middle. "you fuckin' die!" on the Byrds reissues there are strange hidden tracks on several CDs. The funniest/saddest is the one on the Notorious Byrds Brothers, which is the sound of an argument in progress in the studio between the band members over the drumming on "Dolphin's Smile". >And I agree with this assessment of Duran Duran tho I like "Rio" a lot more >than the first album. dislike Duran Duran except, for some odd reason, for the track "Save a prayer" >Well... depending on what book you read, like Mark >Lewson (sp?) Sessions book (oop), the "Her Majesty" >was NOT supposed to be on the album at all.... It was >a "left over" track that Paul wanted to bring home. >As per the book, each of the members brought home a >copy of the original master tapes for them to listen >to and paul asked the engineer to throw that song at >the end of his recording so he could have it. >Supposedly the tapes got switched and Paul's copy of >"Abbey road" ended up as the official release. Just >something I read. whatever that is worth. true. It was originally a link piece between Mean Mr Mustard and Polythene Pam, IIRC (or maybe before Mean Mr Mustard, after Sun King?), but they decided it wouldn't work there, so they took it out. The reason it has no last note is that it (the note) was buried under the first chord of the next track. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:07:54 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Holy voting felons, Batman! Cap sez, in reply to me: >> I think people here figure that if ex-cons have served their time, they've >> served their time. Here in NZ, we've had at least one ex-con in government. >> I think the same is true in South Africa. > >I can't think of any law that says a convicted felon can't hold office... > >They just can't vote in some states. unless the US is very different to NZ, you must be on the electoral roll to run for office James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:41:28 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: rate the 80s > From: Eb > > As for *sustained* worst '80s acts, I don't have a firm choice. However, I > can certainly rattle off some artists who really drove me nuts at the time: > INXS, Billy Idol, the Cult, the Alarm, Falco, the Fixx, Missing Persons, > Spandau Ballet, the Thompson Twins, Wang Chung, Robert Palmer.... I'll > resist saying the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sisters of Mercy, just so I > won't ruffle any feathers. Oops, too late. ;) I don't love or respect any of those artists. I have enjoyed some songs by: - - INXS (slightly more bearable than U2, but only slightly) - - Billy Idol ("Eyes Without a Face," "White Wedding," and "Flesh for Fantasy," primarily) - - Missing Persons (only recently found that I can stand them...just) - - Thompson Twins ("Sugar Daddy" is the only song of theirs I can listen to now without feeling as though I'm feverish and ill...tough to explain) - - Sisters of Mercy (great big goofy goth fun...I really LOVE "Under the Gun" but the rest are just sugary sweets for dessert) I'm pretty indifferent to the rest of them, though I do have a Robert Palmer cassette for some mysterious reason (Riptide, for those keeping score). I also have a Red Hot Chili Peppers cassette; it took me a long time to realize that they have never put out a single song that I actually liked. > From: Capuchin > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >> on 5/9/01 7:05 PM, Stephen Mahoney at stephenm@multcolib.org wrote: >>> but I must say that even though bob dylan sings off key and is not >>> technically the most impressive singer, he does sing with more soul >>> than *any* '80's performer pop or otherwise that I can think of! >> >> That's a perfectly defensible opinion. > > As you went on to show, Drew, it's not a defensible opinion at all! It's > an unassailable belief based on nothing quantifiable or describable. Okay...then it's a belief I would agree with. :) > "more soul"? Bah. I've long maintained that "soul" in your singing is > just an attempt to make up for music or lyrics incapable of evoking > emotion by handing the emotions to the listener in the most obvious way > possible. That's one way to think of it. "Soul" is a slippery word that means all sorts of things. If we pursued this (which we won't), I would end up arguing that music and lyrics are no more inherently "capable of evoking emotion" than is a person's voice or singing style. > It's a bit like saying you can't think of a single professional golfer > that could challenge Scotty Pippen at the free throw line. No shit. *Exactly*. Thank you. > And how long has it been since I said something about Elvis Costello's > "crappy sentimentality"? > > While I've always appreciated some of his work and have come to appreciate > much more given my current living situation and partnership, I think he is > at his absolute worst when he puts too much "soul" in his voice. Now I think you are talking about a specific vocal style or set of mannerisms; I wouldn't know for sure because I don't much like Elvis Costello. I bought a comp of his in hopes of seeing what all the fuss was about and ended up hearing an artist whom I like all right but never think about or listen to, kind of like Billy Bragg or the Butchies. Anyway, if you're talking about "soul singing" as opposed to "soul in the voice," that's another matter entirely. >> Do you notice that, with the exception of Culture Club, we're mainly >> discussing glam and its descendents? > > With the EXCEPTION of Culture Club? Well, there we are then. I'm sure this discussion is tedious to some people. I for one am thrilled to be discussing music on this list. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:25:32 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: rate the 80s Oh, one really bad band was Gene Loves Jezebel. I can't say I ever really disliked them, but I saw them at The Pier in NYC in the summer of '87 with New Order and Echo and the Bunnymen. Painful. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:20:38 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Television show tonight! I know there are a few Television fans on the list. I recently picked up Marquee Moon and more recently picked up Adventure. The song Days is simply beautiful! I was doing a search on them, and as it turns out they are re-forming for a few shows! In fact they are playing in Chicago tonight! If I were there, I'd go. And I was just there on Sunday. Just my luck. Well, maybe someone else will go and let me know what I missed. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/7784/ Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:23 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: sigh >Your turn. I don't have any guilty pleasures -- that is, I refuse >to feel guilty for them -- but I bet you do. Oh, I'm sure you do too. In fact, I know you have a copy of "The Gay Parade" stashed away in your glove compartment... :P So jeez, can't a gal blurt out a few mindless, ranting opinions without having to defend them left and right? This list kills me. But in a good way. I'm glad people here think things through (unlike me). All I'm saying - in a less mindless sort of way - is that I'm tired of ironic kitschsters and nostalgia-lovers elevating '80's froth to the level of high art. I don't really think Culture Club and Duran Duran are all that bad (I probably should have said Corey Hart instead), but I still think that anyone who praises them to the skies must be at least partially in the grip of nostalgia or a love of ironic kitsch. gnat "don't get me started on the Carpenters" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: 80s music On Wed, 9 May 2001, Eb wrote: > As for *sustained* worst '80s acts, I don't have a firm choice. However, I > can certainly rattle off some artists who really drove me nuts at the time: > INXS, Billy Idol, the Cult, the Alarm, Falco, the Fixx, Missing Persons, > Spandau Ballet, the Thompson Twins, Wang Chung, Robert Palmer.... I'll > resist saying the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sisters of Mercy, just so I > won't ruffle any feathers. Oops, too late. ;) Well if you really want to ruffle feathers, don't just say these bands drove you nuts -- try "dismissing" them instead, that always seems to work.... ;) I had a weird perspective on 80s music at the time. First, I knew nothing about music until I first found a decent radio station, WMMR in Philadelphia, in 1981. That was such an eye(ear)-opener for me that I listened to the radio non-stop for three days and loved every last thing I heard. From 1981 to 1983, I listened to whatever was on MMR and whatever kids played on their boom boxes at lunchtime recess: the Clash, U2, Talking Heads, Ozzie Osbourne, Bruce Springsteen, the Stray Cats, AC/DC, Van Halen, etc., plus lots of classic rock. Typical early 80s music, though a little light on synth-pop (aside from "Cars" and "Tainted Love"). In high school, I developed slightly narrower tastes, started to loathe anything popular, and didn't have MTV; from then on, I hardly listened to what we now call "80s music" at all. First I became a Pink Floyd fanatic after my parents foolishly bought me The Wall. Then, about 1984-1986, I became a hardcore punk fanatic (Dead Kennedys, MDC, DOA) and liked some of the more political 60s bands as well. At this point I also encountered my first goth (Christian Death) and industrial (Einsturzende Neubauten), but thought of them as just weird examples of punk. Of course anything played on the radio or MTV was anathema. But by late '86 I was starting to find punk a bit monotonous, so I turned to ... speed metal! Metallica, Motorhead, Celtic Frost -- no top 40 hair metal, please. And then in college, while continuing to listen to some punk and metal, I fell in with a classic rock crowd and saturated myself in Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc., plus some blues-rock like Clapton. In retrospect this is my most embarrassing period. At least a few more unusual bands slipped through the "Freebird" wall, like the Stooges, REM and Dinosaur Jr., plus a great local band called Neo Pseudo. However, it wasn't until the summer and fall of 1990 that the classic rock flood started to recede and I became more open to "college music;" the Cure was the first of these bands that I really got into. So from late 1983 to late 1990, I listened to almost NONE of what we now call 80s bands -- no Depeche Mode, no INXS, no Prince, no Motley Crue, no nuthin', not even Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians! But at the same time everything I did listen to was totally typical of the 80s: hardcore punk, heavy metal, and certainly classic rock. Which raises the question, why don't we think of 80s bands Metallica or Minor Threat when someone mentions "80s music"? Or Led Zeppelin, who probably sold more records in that decade than any 80s musician short of Michael Jackson? At any rate, after 1990 I came to appreciate a lot of 80s music: RH&E, REM, New Order, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Depeche Mode, the Smiths, and many others. It's not an indiscriminate love for the 80s though. Of all the bands Eb listed above, The Cult and SOM are the only ones I really care for at all. (Unlike Drew, I'd rate U2 *far* above INXS, whom I've never liked in any of my phases.) But almost ALL of the 80s music I like now would have only provoked my sneering contempt, if I was even aware of it, back during the actual 80s. I don't have an actual point -- I just felt like talking about myself -- but it would be interesting to know if anyone else had a similar experience. Am I the only one who now loves 80s music he once scorned? BTW, one of the local goth/industrial DJs has "Duran Duran" tatooed on her right shoulder. - --Chris ni: political/historical thread ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Holy voting felons, Batman! On Thu, 10 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > unless the US is very different to NZ, you must be on the electoral > roll to run for office Well, certainly the US IS very different from NZ, but I digress... The trouble here is that voter qualification is a county level decision based on state regulations, while eligibility to hold the office of President (for example) is federal law. Clearly most people who run for federal office are not eligible voters in every district in which they are on the ballot. I would find it very odd if the election regulations in a county said "all candidates for all offices must be eligible voters in some district somewhere in the United States"... or words to that effect. So, elections are handled (in Oregon at the very least) at the county level. Ballots vary from county to county (this is at least also true in Florida, clearly). The ballots and operation of the elections, while determined by county election offices, must conform to state law and the more limited federal election law. So clearly things get very wonky when you're running for office and need to be elected by voters in several states. The states have really no say over what other states do. It doesn't make sense to require that federal office seekers MUST be eligible voters somewhere because SURELY there's a county in this great big country in which it's VERY easy to become a registered voter. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:58:51 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Holy voting felons, Batman! > unless the US is very different to NZ, you must be on the > electoral roll to > run for office What about Marion Barry? He got re-elected immediately (I think it was) following getting busted for smoking crack with a prostitute. That slayed me, personally. "He reflects everything D.C. wants to project...let's put him in office." Ugh. ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) Friday or Saturday, what does that mean? Short space of time needs a heavy scene Monday is coming like a jail on wheels -The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:16:32 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Holy voting felons, Batman! >> unless the US is very different to NZ, you must be on the >> electoral roll to >> run for office And Ferris observed: >What about Marion Barry? He got re-elected immediately (I think it was) >following getting busted for smoking crack with a prostitute. >That slayed me, personally. "He reflects everything D.C. wants to >project...let's put him in office." Ugh. That's funny you should mention Marion Barry . . . he was eating at the restaurant where I just came back from lunch. . . Actually, he was a city councilman for a two-year term (elected 1 year after getting out), then he was re-elected mayor in 1994. The thing about Barry is that he appealed to DC voters because (a) he was important in the 60's civil rights movement; and (b) because the "establishment," particularly the Republican congress and the federal DC overseers, hated him so much. On the other hand, his re-election did terrible things for DC and the image of DC voters ("those people don't know what's good for them" and that sort of thing). Within two years, most of DC's autonomy had been stripped away -- and they are only now getting it back (after three consecutive years of balanced budgets, under Mayor Tony Williams, who is: (a) perceived as business-friendly and (b) perceived as non-threatening to DC's white population). - -ed "the bitch set me up" poole ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: dylan nd 80's glam nothing in common? my comment about bob was just a tad of a blanket statement and left a bit obscure- must have eaten one of those mchindu curry big macs or an Apu special squishy or something first of all when I think of bob, I think of the 60's 70's and the 90's definately not the 80's. then there is that use of the word "soul." I meant to say that his vocals although not technicly superior to a simon lebon certainly when listened to evokes more emotion and feeling, but then groups like duran duran or a singer like robert palmer are not trying to do these same things...they are certainly offspring of'70's glam rock but then david bowies and brian ferrys vocals( those original glam wildboys) in my opinion emote more in their delivery......but then comparing 70's with 80's music is kind of comparing apples and oranges, except of course in the case of michael stipe of rem or maybe nick cave or that dude from the replacements or em xtc or adrian belew......ahh nevermind!!!! Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Soul Train Drew, then Capuchin: >> That's a perfectly defensible opinion. > >As you went on to show, Drew, it's not a defensible opinion at >all! It's an unassailable belief based on nothing quantifiable >or describable. > >"more soul"? Bah. You forgot the "Humbug." >I've long maintained that "soul" in your singing is just an >attempt to make up for music or lyrics incapable of evoking >emotion by handing the emotions to the listener in the most >obvious way possible. There he goes again. If you can't put a number on it, he doesn't want to know about it. Look, if I'm hearing someone sing about poverty and alcohol and his woman leavin' him, I *don't* want him to sound like (or even sing well as) Luciano Pavarotti. It just doesn't work. I want him to sound like Tom Waits or Bob Dylan. It lends an air of authenticity to the music that really needs to be there for it to be convincing. Just as a recent example, Big Rock Candy Mountain on the OH BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU? soundtrack works because Harry McClintock *sounds* like a hobo. His voice has *soul*. Drew, then Capuchin, again: >> Do you notice that, with the exception of Culture Club, we're >> mainly discussing glam and its descendents? > >With the EXCEPTION of Culture Club? Hee hee! - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: hidden tracks (Pixies) It is not so much a hidden track as it is just kinda (or Kind of) there. Steve Albini left it on there because he wanted to show how RAW the album was and how little production went into it, and because of this how AMAZING the Pixies really were. That was my understanding of it, and when I talked to Black Francis after a show of theirs he said that they originally were going to put the entire argument on there but it was over 10 minutes long, plus no track number would screw up the juke box. Whatever that's worth.... Later! Herbie np - Paul McCartney WINGSPAN "Uncle Albert..." - --- Tom Clark wrote: > on 5/9/01 3:17 PM, Ken Ostrander at kenster@MIT.EDU > wrote: > > > on the pixies _surfer rose/come on pilgrim_ disk i > have, there's a hidden > > track > > of studio banter somewhere in the middle. "you > fuckin' die!" > > Is that a hidden track? I never bothered to look, > but I thought it was just > a preamble to the next song. Hmmm. > Now that you bring it up, is there a backstory to > that exchange? I've > assumed it to be Black Francis explaining to Albini > that he was joking with > Kim when he said "You Fucking Die!", but Albini was > all pissed because he > thought it was addressed to him for some reason. > > -tom "he was into field hockey players..." the tomster Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: RE: Holy voting felons, Batman! On Thu, 10 May 2001, Poole, R. Edward guffahed: > > And Ferris observed: > > >What about Marion Barry? He got re-elected immediately (I think it was) > >following getting busted for smoking crack with a prostitute. > > >That slayed me, personally. "He reflects everything D.C. wants to > >project...let's put him in office." Ugh. > > That's funny you should mention Marion Barry . . . he was eating at the > restaurant where I just came back from lunch. . . Actually, he was a city reminds me of the time I saw Packwood in the mens room after a few pints at the horses brASS a couple of years ago...but I digress... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:34:25 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: sigh At 09:37 AM 5/10/2001 -0700, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >All I'm saying - in a less mindless sort of way - is that I'm tired of >ironic kitschsters and nostalgia-lovers elevating '80's froth to the level >of high art. Agreed, though to me it's a welcome change* -- for the next fifteen minutes anyways -- from ironic kitschsters and nostalgia-lovers elevating '70s froth to the level of high art. I think the '70s have lasted longer this time than they did the first time around. >I don't really think Culture Club and Duran Duran are all that >bad (I probably should have said Corey Hart instead), but I still think that >anyone who praises them to the skies must be at least partially in the grip >of nostalgia or a love of ironic kitsch. I wouldn't throw a blanket endorsement over any period or style, and most folks here have sufficiently qualified their endorsements of Culture Club and Duran Duran. I'll second and third Susan and whoever else endorsed ABC; the first three albums are the best, but any of them, including '90s comeback SKYSCRAPING, are, at worst, tasty ear candy, and at best -- well, not up to Martin Fry's Roxy Music ambition, but really grand ironic kitsch just the same! A group called Tin Star had an album in '99 called THE THRILL KISSER that hit that same sweet spot of dancy, melodic, over-the-top disposable grandness as ABC. As I've said before, some albums are stupendously great but I've got to be in a certain mood to hear them, while there are other things I can put on any time and enjoy *because* they don't require the same level of engagement. I'd probably be dismayed to see an exact counting of how many times I've played ABC's HOW TO BE A ZILLIONAIRE, Sisters of Mercy's FLOODLAND, and My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult's SEXPLOSION!, but I'm reasonably sure that the total is way more than the combined plays I've given to the Captain Beefheart and King Crimson catalogs. Oh, and Corey Hart! Embarrassingly, the first rock show I ever saw was Corey Hart. My mom wouldn't let me go to shows when I was a juvenile non-delenquent, so I didn't have a shot to see any live rock music until I was 18 and a college freshman. And there wasn't much to do concert-wise in Athens, WV, in October '85 (still can't believe Robyn has now played there!), so when Corey Hart was announced as the college's fall concert, I let my friends talk me into going. Tickets were cheap for students, and besides, Corey seemed a promising target for MST3K-like realtime ridicule. (Except I wouldn't have thought "MST3K-like" at the time since MST3K hadn't been invented yet. But smartass heckling is eternal.) My joke in the weeks leading to the show was that the show would begin with Corey Hart's back to the audience, then him turning his head over his shoulder to look at us meaningfully, just as he did ad nauseum in the "Never Surrender" video. Imagine my delight when the concert began with a drumbeat and -- FLASH! -- a spotlight trained on Corey Hart, perched on top of a stack of amps, wearing a leather jacket, HIS BACK TURNED TO THE AUDIENCE. And then, slowwwwwwly, he turned his head to LOOK OVER HIS SHOULDER AT THE AUDIENCE MEANINGFULLY. Rarely have I laughed so hard. My friends turned their heads toward me, saying "How did you know? YOu've seen him before!" Nevertheless, "Sunglasses at Night" is a great song, and it rocked live as well. I think the band played it twice through at our show -- it was twelve minutes long and I remember hearing all the verses more than once each. It would have been a better show if he had played "Sunglasses at Night" for 90 minutes.** My next show was the one I would have picked as a first, R.E.M. with the Minutemen, Radford, VA, December '85. But at least I got a good story out of Corey Hart. later, Miles *If '80s froth is the sort of synth-pop/post-punk hitmakers that have been cited throughout this thread. No way I'm offering even a heavily qualified endorsement of Hair Metal Nostalgia. **Oh, and Corey Hart's bass player was stupendously good. I've never found out who it was, but he was the only thing worth hearing -- well, in addition to "Sunglasses at Night." Never found out who he was. Any of you got Corey Hart '85 Tour programmes handy? :-) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #192 ********************************