From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #185 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the spanghew chronicles ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: CD Burning -- MAC division ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: prog (0% RH) ["da9ve stovall" ] Dancing ["Lilac Doorway" ] gnatmaniax, Of Montreal style ["Natalie Jacobs" ] RE: CD Burning -- MAC division ["Brian Huddell" ] Secret tracks ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Secret tracks [Capuchin ] Re: Song Title? [Capuchin ] Re: gnatmaniax, Of Montreal style [Capuchin ] the thrill is gone ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: prog (0% RH) [Tom Clark ] Re: Secret tracks [Christopher Gross ] Re: what's in a name? [Capuchin ] Re: Secret tracks ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Secret tracks ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: prog (0% RH) [Stephen Mahoney ] RE: prog (0% RH) ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: Secret tracks ["Brian Huddell" ] hidden tracks & stuff [Melissa Higuchi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:29:55 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: the spanghew chronicles as sleuthed by m'colleague: Harry Campbell wrote: > > Well waddyaknow. In OED as claimed, even down to the frog bit, which is > mystifying (why wd people want to chuck frogs around) until you look at > the Chambers Scots Dict (I only have the Pocket here): > > spanghew: jerk or catapult violently into the air > especially as a way of torturing frogs and birds > > What a nasty lot you Scots must be. I disagree with the last bit, tho'. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:44:33 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: CD Burning -- MAC division Thanks for all the responses -- it certainly is heartening to see all the Mac users out there (but, I guess I should have expected that among this highly intelligent and creative crowd...) I downloaded iTunes last night and I am happy with the choice (and the price) -- it even has a "groovy" graphics display that I might have enjoyed back in 1987, when I was a college freshman who liked to listen to "Echoes" at 3:00am while under the influence of... well, I wasn't drinking beer; I'll leave it at that. thanks all. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:48:00 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: prog (0% RH) >Favorite prog discoveries lately: Spocks Beards new >album, V is real nice. Spock's Beard's drummer Nick DiVirgilio (however that's spelled) is touring this month with Mike Keneally's group Beer for Dolphins. Check out www.keneally.com for tourdates - and if you're a proggie or a progger or just a fan of incredibly well-played, complex and passionate music, GO SEE THEM! >I also heard Frank Zappas Hot Rats for the first time recently, after ignoring it >for fifteen years. Dang, dont I feel stupid for that. And I just scored an >excellent condition copy of the vinyl on Ebay for $10. If you become a feal Zappa freak, you'll want to look out for at least two different versions of the CD version of that album - - there are some BIG differences between the frst CD issue - which was way re-mixed and I think included some newly overdubbed drum parts - vs. the later/latest CD issue, which was more faithful to the vinyl version. This happened frequently with Zappa's back-catalog releases, especially _We're Only In It For the Money_. >Also finally heard Matching Mole, too. Wow, thats good stuff. Cuneiform is about >to reissue a long-lost recording of them in concert too. Cool! Robert Wyatt. Whattaguy. >And Tool is opening for King Crimson? Actually, Crimson is going to be the opening band, from what I've heard so far. Strikes me as only a little bit weird, considering that Tool is still in a fast-growing-popularity phase, and Crimson probably isn't. Despite my lack of enthusiasm for the newest KC studio album, their show last Halloween in Chicago was one of the most jaw-dropping things I've seen. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:59:31 -0000 From: "Lilac Doorway" Subject: Dancing Melissa: >Trouble by Cat Stevens. Had forgotten that one. Wonderful, especially since for me it includes the image of Burt Cort at the end picking on his banjoo as he walks away from the cliff. That whole albumn is great. Walker: >for me it was back in high school - '86 or '87 - and I read some top >ten >album list from Peter Buck in some - more than likely now defunct >- >rag/zine One thing I always have loved bout the raging yogart thrower(sides his nose)has been his generous enthusiasms bout other musicians. I forget which interview it was where he mentioned Robyn(more than one), which was how I also got hitched, but Buck was always raving bout -other- people's music. And his raves were always so infectiously enthusiastic youd go out and get some of the stuff. I think maybe a 1/10th of my music collection is people he either steered me to, or people I already liked whom he also praised. For awhile there Id buy any mag with an interview with him, cause I knew it would give me access to great new stuff. Plus, he was funny and had interesting, slightly twisted ideas. The funny thing is, for reading all those interviews with him--I cant remember much really bout him. Think he had an older brother who played classical guitar, think he was a southern transplant--but, basicially--he hardly talked bout himself. That is so - -opposite- me in temperment I cant help admiring it;-). And being thankful for all the good stuff it propigated. For Jeffro-- No Beverley Hillbillies!?! Would have thought with your sign off,that would be a natural. Thanks for mentioning Fawlty Towers. To this day, if I have the flu and am miserable, thats what I rent(I especially identify when Basil starts beating and cursing-out the car. Yup--theres human logic for you;-)(thou dont mention the war and the carrying round the corpse and the rat and my sex life is fine thank you are all up there.) Nat: >I've always had this sense that more female artists than male artists >get >called by their first names Yup. And remain girls long past the boys. Things change and dont change. Or actually--things only change very slowly. Seth: >Love Reign O'er Me, Thank you. Today is reminder day. Yes--also if we do a Who/Townsend thing--the song that starts "You take away the breathe I was keeping for sunrise"(great guitar)"Free and Easy" something of the album with Lane I cant put my finger on, "Cant Reach You lots of stuff. Viv >Having to parade your soul for people you don't like >mightn't be the pleasantest of experiences, and to watch these people >(who >frighten/bemuse/bore you) laughing, crying, dancing, or >whatever, to music >you write and perform for your own private reasons >and not to entertain >them, must be nauseating. I can see the point to what you say, but Im not sure thats the -whole- picture. No one makes anyone else parade their soul or perform. If you choose to do so, it means accepting the ambiguities of the situation. The pluses and minuses. I am sure there are minuses(life is never without them.) But my guess is there must also be pluses, otherwise --why would you do it? Many aspects of life are a communal venture, like it or not. Anyone can create without sharing. If you choose to share you must allow that the people you are sharing with are as real as you. They will have responses which will not be under your control. Even if our feelings have a hard time feeling it, our minds can know that. And only an "Evil Guy" wants total control. Now we all have "Evil Guys" as ourselves. We all want control so as to lessen anxiety and bring that power surge. But we also have a part of ourselves which wants to connect, which wants to melt and merge, which wants to break thru the mirror. And we have our intellegence and sensuality to help us sort it all out. Im just the kind of fan you describe. I read into everything, Robyn, my neighbor, the wall across from me. And I also do what I can to clear a space and try to see who and what they are(and Im not), to empty myself out of myself. So I am constanly constructing -and- deconstructing a personal mythology which gives meaning and relish to the barrage of stimuli and illusions Im delusional enough to call my life. Why? Cause it helps me relish life, the ups the downs and the twist all arounds. Quail called it cheerful nihlism, Id call it affirmative nihilsm(being a greedy girl I do go for the reconcilaition of opposites thing.) Or as Jill's T-shirt says "Fuck Art, Lets Dance." Im glad Robyn chooses to share. It gives me stuff to dance to. Dancing is a form of exctasy. Dancing takes you out of yourself. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:11:15 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: gnatmaniax, Of Montreal style Warning: I will be referring to band members by their first names in this account. So I'd been looking forward to seeing Of Montreal again after their splendid, bravura show last year, but last night's performance was a bit of a wash-out. The opening bands, as before, were the Minders and Marshmallow Coast. The Minders have lost their rhythm section yet again, and played an extremely truncated acoustic set, which was OK but not that exciting. Marshmallow Coast - featuring feggy person Andy Gonzales - would be great if only they had a different lead singer, since Andy can't carry a tune in a bucket and sounds like a frog besides. But he is the master of discombobulated stage banter, e.g. "The sun's out [in Portland] and everyone is dancing in the streets... I used to live in Seattle and I danced in the streets, till I got a ticket." As for Of Montreal, they mostly played stuff from their new album, which is even more awkward and ungainly than their old material, and didn't inspire much enthusiasm from the audience (including me). On the plus side, they did play "The Miniature Philospher," which is the only song I can think of that mentions Nietzche, Camus, and Voltaire. As before, their musicianship was superb. My band's drummer and I were recently dissing small-time bands who buy really expensive equipment, but Derek Almstead, the bassist, was fully worthy of his Rickenbacker. There were great background films as well, commandeered by Dave Barnes, who does the illustrations for the band's record covers; he was wearing a great helmet made of tinfoil! My favorite film was a stop-motion sequence depicting a clay man attacked by a horde of french fries. There was also a bizarre clip involving a woman in her panties being pursued by a laser-shooting robot... (Were they raiding Tom Clark's porn collection??) At Viv's suggestion, I made a tinfoil circus for the band members - a horse, a lion, two elephants, and what was supposed to be the ringmaster till his hat fell off. I turned him into a contortionist. Dave made his elephant hump Jamie the drummer's horse, as Jamie exclaimed with disgust. Dave was very nice, but Jamie struck me as a cold fish. Andy seemed extremely shy and I didn't try to make conversation. I talked to Rebecca from the Minders and Derek - who turned out to be surprisingly short - about how band members should enter into marriages of convenience so they can claim the bed in hotel rooms while on tour. Derek thanked me for his tinfoil "dog." (I keep thinking that Drew would go for him, as he's small and stocky... ;) Anyway, that's all that happened. Next stop: indie-pop-o-rama with Dear Nora and Mirah on Wednesday night... n., living in a swirl of excitement _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:14:26 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Song Title? Boy do I feel like a moron. So I've only listened to "Jewels for Sophia" about a thousand times now, and never bothered to let it run long enough to hear the bonus unlisted tracks. I had heard the "Goodfellas" rap, but had somehow completely missed that fact that there were two more songs including a live "Gene Hackman". I think perhaps I was always so eager to go back and listen to the album again that I automatically restarted it as "Jewels" was winding out...I know that's no excuse, but... So what is the title of the second bonus song? "Mr. Tongs" or something like that? Had never heard it before. On this topic, I love the 11th song on REM's "Green," also untitled (?)...anyone know the proper name of this one? I've always just put "11" when including it on tapes for friends. Michael "just a corpuscle making love in vein," though don't tell my wife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:47:34 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: CD Burning -- MAC division - -ed: > Thanks for all the responses -- it certainly is heartening to see all the > Mac users out there (but, I guess I should have expected that among this > highly intelligent and creative crowd...) Grrrrrrrr (I'm not mad at Ed, just too inarticulate to defend my PC) grrrrrr (wish I'd been creative enough to build myself a Mac-based recording studio) grrrrrrr (oh yeah, you don't *build* Macs, do you?) grrrrrrrr (wish I'd been intelligent enough to buy a computer that came in a box) grrrrrr ;-) <---that's mine ;-) <---that's the one Ed accidentally left off +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:14:06 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Secret tracks So, this Jewels talk raises the following poll question: what is your favorite "secret" or "hidden" CD track (this trick is so old, it's hard to call it a secret, but...) 1. Nirvana -- "untitled" aka "Verse Chorus Verse," from the "No Alternative" compilation 2. Beck -- "Untitled" from Mutations 3. Robyn -- "Gene Hackman" from JfS I can't think of any more off the top of my head, but those are my favorites, anyway... I think? - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Secret tracks On Tue, 8 May 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > So, this Jewels talk raises the following poll question: what is your > favorite "secret" or "hidden" CD track (this trick is so old, it's > hard to call it a secret, but...) Token Back To Brooklyn from They Might Be Giants' Factory Showroom. How many CDs do you know of with the pre-track 1 hidden track? I can only think of Factory Showroom and Songs in the Key of X. These are truly hidden tracks because there's absolutely no way to happen upon one by playing the disc in any kind of normal fashion. (Oh, and Stewart [because you're probably the only other cdparanoia user here], do you know how I can rip such a track?) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Song Title? On Tue, 8 May 2001, Mike wells wrote: > Boy do I feel like a moron. Wow. > So what is the title of the second bonus song? "Mr. Tongs" or > something like that? Had never heard it before. > On this topic, I love the 11th song on REM's "Green," also untitled > (?)...anyone know the proper name of this one? I've always just put > "11" when including it on tapes for friends. Actually, everyone I've ever seen use this song in a mix has labelled it exactly that way. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: gnatmaniax, Of Montreal style On Tue, 8 May 2001, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Marshmallow Coast - featuring feggy person Andy Gonzales - would be > great if only they had a different lead singer, since Andy can't carry > a tune in a bucket and sounds like a frog besides. The tunefulness of all vocalist seemed suspect to me last night... with the exception, of course, of Martin Leper (or however that is spelled) and his wife Rebecca, who absolutely nailed Art's harmonies in their cover of The Only Living Boy in New York (which I'm listening to right now, well, not their cover). > But he is the master of discombobulated stage banter, e.g. "The sun's > out [in Portland] and everyone is dancing in the streets... I used to > live in Seattle and I danced in the streets, till I got a ticket." The banter seemed a little bit practiced. But the best line was "Have you ever got anything from the classifieds? You can get a girlfriend. I got a girlfriend from the classifieds... and a radiator." > There was also a bizarre clip involving a woman in her panties being > pursued by a laser-shooting robot... (Were they raiding Tom Clark's > porn collection??) First: Nobody wears underwear for that long in Tom's porn collection. Second: You have no idea how upset I am about missing that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:47:48 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the thrill is gone >From: Stephen Mahoney >how about music to listen to when you are totally pissed off or deeply >depressed( with some beers or wine in the system)? >black sabbath, tool, rage against the machine or nin. Since I usually enjoy listening to "depressing" music, and sometimes "angry" music as well, I usually have to resort to Diamanda Galas in these sorts of situations. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:49:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: prog (0% RH) on 5/8/01 8:48 AM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: >> And Tool is opening for King Crimson? > > Actually, Crimson is going to be the opening band, from what > I've heard so far. I'm not sure Fripp knows what he's in for here. I don't know what will happen when a bunch of amped-up Tool fans get a load of "Neal and Jack and Me". It could get ugly... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:51:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Secret tracks On Tue, 8 May 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > So, this Jewels talk raises the following poll question: what is your > favorite "secret" or "hidden" CD track (this trick is so old, it's hard to > call it a secret, but...) This is from the pre-CD era, but wasn't the Clash's "Train In Vain" a "hidden" (ie, unlisted) track on the London Calling LP and cassette? That's a good one. I also like the simple little tune hidden at the end of Apoptygma Berzerk's Welcome to Earth. But my favorite hidden track of all time has to be at the one at the end of Tool's Undertow. - --Chris "what, you think the average PC user builds his own box?" the Christer np: Silly Wizard, Wild & Beautiful ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: what's in a name? On Mon, 7 May 2001, victorian squid wrote: > I feel the same way, mostly. My "friends" I call by their first names, > and there are really only a handful of those. Some people I will just > never be able to at all. > > I mean, John Cale is just......it's not that John is an overly common > first name, it's because he's such a forbidding sort of person Have I ever mentioned that a large number of people from my past ALWAYS refer to me by my full name (or, at least, full first and last), even in casual conversation? I hope this doesn't mean I'm "a forbidding sort of person". Could be because I have a stupid name. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:10:56 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Secret tracks At 10:45 AM 5/8/01 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >How many CDs do you know of with the pre-track 1 hidden track? Ava Cherry & The Astronettes - "People From Bad Homes," with the Bowie-penned "I Am Divine" hidden before the first song on track 0. Someone else: >Spock's Beard The Spock's Beard/Dream Theater concert I attended (thankfully for free as a friend won tickets on the radio) was easily one of the worst shows I've ever seen. One of the few concerts I've left early. Technically proficient, but utterly devoid of any artistic merit, emotional impact or stylistic innovation. And the audience was a total dude ranch. Yucky! John Myung is a nice fellow, though. At 09:11 AM 5/8/01 -0700, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >So I'd been looking forward to seeing Of Montreal again... Me too. So I did, Friday night, up at Spaceland in Silver Lake. I was in a dark mood, having attended a funeral earlier in the day up in North Hollywood, but Of Montreal managed to cheer me right up. I also found the film clips engaging, but not as downright amusing as those used by the local "band" (two guys on electric guitar) Irving, who also performed that evening. Their footage included a bunch of goofy scenes of the lead singer hopping around LA without ever touching the ground. Hilarious. And although I was far from home, I ran into two people I know. First was the mighty Eb. Second was an acquaintance from college named Ann who now lives within walking distance of Spaceland and is neighbors with the drummer of the band who played after Of Montreal (whose name I can't remember right now, but who sang "ba ba ba ba ba ba ba" a lot). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:18:36 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Secret tracks >This is from the pre-CD era, but wasn't the Clash's "Train In Vain" a >"hidden" (ie, unlisted) track on the London Calling LP and cassette? Yes, you are right -- but it's also true of the CD version -- it's not listed. I heard (from a big time Clash fan, but that doesn't mean it's true), that the band hated the fact that the song got to be a popular radio song, didn't want to have a hit single, and only grudgingly included it on the album (with no listing, to confuse DJs). Funny that "Rock the Casbah" (complete with that great video!) was only a few short months in the future. OK, a year or so. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:22:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: prog (0% RH) On Tue, 8 May 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > > I'm not sure Fripp knows what he's in for here. I don't know what will > happen when a bunch of amped-up Tool fans get a load of "Neal and Jack and > Me". It could get ugly... > > -tc hell have to resort to schizoid man and mars and some of the other stuff which rawwwks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:27:20 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: prog (0% RH) >> And Tool is opening for King Crimson? > > Actually, Crimson is going to be the opening band, from what > I've heard so far. I find that hard to believe -- not only as a die-hard Crimson fan, but also as an observer of Mr. Fripp's legendary ego. On the other hand, I have no doubts about which band would be the biggest concert (and CD-buying) draw if they went head-to-head (not counting the 25-year head start that Fripp & Co. have...) >I'm not sure Fripp knows what he's in for here. I don't know what will >happen when a bunch of amped-up Tool fans get a load of "Neal and Jack and >Me". It could get ugly... That's not likely to happen -- maybe a couple of chestnuts from the 81-84 band, but the show will be dominated by 1996-2001 material which, if you've heard, say, Heavy ConstrucKtion (live 2000), should not be too surprising for Tool fans. Check out Larks Tongue IV, fer instance -- plenty bombastic (well, that's not a big change...), loud, and, dare I say it, "metal." This lineup likes power-riffing at least as much as it likes intertwining repetitive guitar lines. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:29:22 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Secret tracks > --Chris "what, you think the average PC user builds his own box?" the > Christer No, but it's a given that the average Mac user is a gifted artist. It's a dumb old argument, I regretted opening my mouth as soon as I did it. I just wanted to make the point that some PC users apply intelligence and creativity in the actual making of the computer, and then go on to make music or art with them. But yeah, most get them at Wal-Mart and use them to look at porn. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:40:10 -0000 From: Melissa Higuchi Subject: hidden tracks & stuff The weirdest hidden track I've found, assuming that it wasn't a flat out recording error, was on a crowded house cd. I can't remember if it's on Temple of Low Men or Woodface, anyway it wasn't on the first one. It starts way after things finish and is loud and weird. I seem to recall the line "I'm still here" being screamed over and over. I never did bother to see what was up with that. Drew: I agree, Diamanda Galas is good for angry moods. I've been using her at work as my goaway I don't want to chat with you music. I keep hoping that we'd use it as the store is closing please leave music at my 2nd job but no luck there. Melissa ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #185 ********************************