From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #182 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 10 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: various ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime [Jeff Dwarf ] CD Burning -- MAC division ["Poole, R. Edward" ] VB question (10% M. Davis) [GSS ] 23 march 1989 [Bayard ] Re: VB question (10% M. Davis) [GSS ] minidisc question [Melissa Higuchi ] RE: minidisc question ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime [Viv Lyon ] songs to cry to [Melissa Higuchi ] Re: CD Burning -- MAC division [Tom Clark ] Re: minidisc question [Capuchin ] Local Heros ["Lilac Doorway" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:57:41 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) Brett: > Which Adaptec program are you referring to? Toast gives me > nothing short of > digital excellence each and every time. I have never had the > misfortune of > making a toaster while making clones of Insane Clown Posse CD's. I don't have a Mac so I can't address Toast. For all I know it excels at DAE (Digital Audio Extraction). I'm referring specifically to the Easy CD Creator line from Adaptec and now Roxio. And the problem isn't that it makes coasters. The rip and burn doesn't't generate any errors, and you get a usable disc. But occasionally I would notice clicks and pops, not always, but often enough to look into it and find out that, yes, those are problems known to occur with Easy CD Creator and known NOT to occur with Exact Audio Copy. > > EAC's precision come at a price: speed. It takes longer than > other programs > > to extract digital audio. But you make up that time in not > having to listen > > for artifacts. > > True, but then doesn't that also depend on your CD ROM drive? Sure, different drives do DAE at different speeds, but what I'm saying is that EAC is slower than Easy CD Creator using the same drive. To some people speed is more important than avoiding the occasional glitch, that's why I mention it. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:03:09 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: funny fish >I've wanted to ask this question of SOMEONE on and off for over a decade. >Does anyone else have an unusual pressing of the Invisible Hitchcock CD? >Mine is on Glass Fish and was printed in England. The cover is correct, >but inside there is a small pink piece of paper that says: > >Errata: >Due to a printing error, the Artist/Title on the label of this CD are >incorrect and should read Robyn Hitchcock - Invisible Hitchcock. The >tracklisting and other label copy are correct. > >And, indeed, on the disk it says "Robyn Hitchcock and Egyptians - Element >of Light." Mine is the same. There's also a misprint on some of the Queen Elvis Cds. Some of them are misprinted with the single of One Long Pair of Eyes. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:19:01 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: various >Oh my god! I forgot about Tom Lehrer! I loved Tom Lehrer when I was a kid! > Has anyone seen that display at the Chicago Museum of Science and >Industry, where the table of the elements lights up in time to Lehrer's >elements song? Yes! That rocks in so many ways. The Tom Lehrer box set does, too. Even with all the repetition (multiple, scarcely different, versions of MOST of the songs), it's highly worthwhile, not the least for the excellent book accompanying, edited by Dr. Demento himself. Tom Lehrer earns my undying respect for his uniformly high standards - he mentioned somewhere that he'd written a number more songs, but that the weren't good enough, so he never released them. Every one that was released - as the box set will attest - - is a pip. >> Mississippi John Hurt - Stack-O-Lee Blues (Stag-O-Lee, however >> you spell it) > >Yeah, this is something. Ain' it, though? That song was the first that made me really ponder the ability of chord changes to tweak my emotions - I barely even have to hear John's voice or any of the lyrics to that song - the chord changes and that inexplicably happy sounding lead line just do me in every time. >> Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mine > >And I was SURE I was the only one that considered this song horribly >depressing, tragic and heartwhatevering. Possibly the rockinest song that >makes me maudlin every time Exactly, exactly, EXACTLY! But, when it's over, I always feel better. The last few lines, about "in the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town," and especially the way his voice goes soft on that last "blue sky town" - well, that's exactly the feeling it leaves me with - the rain has just washed it clean, and now the sun's coming out. >(with the exception of the version of The Yip >Song that goes "This old man, he was gone/ he was roses, ash and holly"). Which release is that one on? Or is it an 'unofficial' live recording? And, just now attempting to answer my own question, I've brought out the _Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival_ disc (an' it ain't on that one), and have noticed for the first time that the tracklisting is ALL wrong - or at least mostly. Anybody else notice this? >Harrison, 58, had surgery at the Mayo Clinic in >Rochester, Minn., to remove a cancerous growth from >one of his many lungs, according to the lawyers. > >Thank you. No - thank YOU! Oh, geebus - that article makes me sad - why won't bad things just leave George alone for a while? - but that creative misreading just about had me falling on my ass laughing. >btw, how do you feel about alternate pronouciations like "lie-berry" and >"feb-you-erry" getting added to dictionaries, as i hear they are? Hack - *ptui*! Webster's, right? I'm all for the concept of language growing - new words coming to life and new concepts being captured and categorized/nomenclatured/(damn hell, boy, what's the word I'm trying to think of that goes here?), but I see *this* as a separate and adversarial trend - eroding the rigor and precision of existing terms is a different thing, innit? >> you need a program called exact audio copy (EAC) - available at >> www.exactaudiocopy.de - it's "cardware", the author > >This process is not relegated to simply one piece of software. There are >many programs, most of them downloadable, that can do this. For example, True, there are many *many* different programs that perform the task of extracting audio files from audio CDs, but I'm seconding the original mention of Exact Audio Copy as being the *best* of them (and, in my estimation, by a considerable margin), in that it allows the user a LOT more control over exactly how the hardware goes about checking for errors at the time it's reading the source CD. Yeah, it can be a minor pain to set it up correctly, but with a little patience and the ability to follow fairly simple instructions on some of the "how-to" websites, you get a significant payback in terms of confidence that you've made as close as possible to a bit-perfect copy as your particular hardware will allow. If you have high-quality hardware to begin with (Plextor-brand CD-ROM/CD-RW drive, for example), and if the source discs you're copying are in good physical condition (and were burned with proper sw/hw in the first place, if they're CD-Rs), you'll probably get satisfactorily near-perfect copies anyway, but if your hardware isn't up to snuff or if the disc you're trying to copy is damaged or difficult to read for some reason, EAC can at least give you the assurance that you've gotten the best-possible read. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > From: Mike Swedene > > Usually anything from the "greatest year in rock and > > roll" as my friends and I refered to 1984 as with such > > strong releases from the police, sniths, rem, cure. > > Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was pretty > much THE year as far as the sort of music I like, as well > (I wouldn't go so far as "greatest in rock and roll," except > in private maybe). Dunno about the Cure (The Top was kind > of uneven) but yes, the Smiths, yes, REM, and I'd add Echo > and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and for sure > XTC. Hyaena isn't uneven? i've always favored 1987 actually. granted Ocean Rain kicks the grey albums ass, but give me Strangeways Here We Come, Document, Kiss Me3, Music for the Masses, Pleased to Meet Me, Darklands, maybe even The Joshua Tree (though I like Unforgettable Fire better than it). and even though it's a compilation, Substance. probably a function of being the right age that year though. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime Granted in 1987 I was in 8th grade, entering high school. I would like to add to the 87 album list SO by Peter gabriel. I think "No Jacket Required" by Phil Collins was ALL OVER THE radio at that time too. Walking down memory lane with my lobster at my side, Herbie np - Blade Runner - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > From: Mike Swedene > > > Usually anything from the "greatest year in rock > and > > > roll" as my friends and I refered to 1984 as > with such > > > strong releases from the police, sniths, rem, > cure. > > > > Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was > pretty > > much THE year as far as the sort of music I like, > as well > > (I wouldn't go so far as "greatest in rock and > roll," except > > in private maybe). Dunno about the Cure (The Top > was kind > > of uneven) but yes, the Smiths, yes, REM, and I'd > add Echo > > and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and > for sure > > XTC. > > Hyaena isn't uneven? > > i've always favored 1987 actually. granted Ocean > Rain kicks the grey > albums ass, but give me Strangeways Here We Come, > Document, Kiss Me3, > Music for the Masses, Pleased to Meet Me, Darklands, > maybe even The > Joshua Tree (though I like Unforgettable Fire better > than it). and even > though it's a compilation, Substance. > > probably a function of being the right age that year > though. > > > > > > ===== > "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet > broke a chain or freed a human soul." > Mark Twain > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime Mike Swedene wrote: > Granted in 1987 I was in 8th grade, entering high > school. I would like to add to the 87 album list SO > by Peter gabriel. err, that was 1986. > I think "No Jacket Required" by > Phil Collins was ALL OVER THE radio at that time too. wasn't that 1984? i was trying to forget that one... > Walking down memory lane with my lobster at my side, > Herbie > > np - Blade Runner > > > --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > > From: Mike Swedene > > > > Usually anything from the "greatest year in rock > > and > > > > roll" as my friends and I refered to 1984 as > > with such > > > > strong releases from the police, sniths, rem, > > cure. > > > > > > Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was > > pretty > > > much THE year as far as the sort of music I like, > > as well > > > (I wouldn't go so far as "greatest in rock and > > roll," except > > > in private maybe). Dunno about the Cure (The Top > > was kind > > > of uneven) but yes, the Smiths, yes, REM, and I'd > > add Echo > > > and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and > > for sure > > > XTC. > > > > Hyaena isn't uneven? > > > > i've always favored 1987 actually. granted Ocean > > Rain kicks the grey > > albums ass, but give me Strangeways Here We Come, > > Document, Kiss Me3, > > Music for the Masses, Pleased to Meet Me, Darklands, > > maybe even The > > Joshua Tree (though I like Unforgettable Fire better > > than it). and even > > though it's a compilation, Substance. > > > > probably a function of being the right age that year > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet > > broke a chain or freed a human soul." > > Mark Twain > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Non Robyn Question Since we have been walking (jogging, running, sliding) down memory lane there is one movie I saw when VCR's were first out that my friend's grandmother owned. I do not remember much about it but I am hoping someone out here remembers or knows what it is. I believe it was a disney film with tim Conway and possibly Don Knots.... they are detectives and there is a character who keeps saying "Horse Nears" instead of horse poop. My friends think i am making this up, if anyone can help me prove that I am partially sane please email me the title of this movie. I know it is NOT The Ghost and Mr Chicken. Thanks for the help! Herbie np - Star Wars Episode IV "A NEW HOPE" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:38:59 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: CD Burning -- MAC division Anyone know of a MAC product to replace the lousy adaptec/roxio toast audio extractor? I have no problems BURNING with toast, but my rips (using Toast Audio Extractor) frequently are full of clicks, pops, static, etc (but only with tracks that are on the last 1/3 of a given CD's playlist). I have a workaround, using my multitracking audio workstation software, but that is really slow, and I'd like to find something that is quick and reliable. just wondering - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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Davis) Disregard if uninterested, I feel sure that someone on this list is a VB user for whatever reason, no need to list it here, so.... How do you temporarily deactivate a form when you call another form using .Show, or can this be done and if not do I just kill the calling form using DestroyWindow and then re-execute the form from the current called form, or is there the parent/sibling form issue that says destroy parent and the children die as well? Please reply off list. Thanks, gSs np - Summertime, M. Davis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Subject: 23 march 1989 anybody have a tape of this egyptians gig? http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=270 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:08:37 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: VB question (10% M. Davis) Ok never mind, I found it: frmForname.Show vbModal On Mon, 7 May 2001, some smeghead wrote: > Disregard if uninterested, > > I feel sure that someone on this list is a VB user for whatever reason, > no need to list it here, so.... > > How do you temporarily deactivate a form when you call another form using > .Show, or can this be done and if not do I just kill the calling > form using DestroyWindow and then re-execute the form from the current > called form, or is there the parent/sibling form issue that says destroy > parent and the children die as well? > > Please reply off list. > > Thanks, > gSs > > np - Summertime, M. Davis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:47:50 -0000 From: Melissa Higuchi Subject: minidisc question Hello, We just got minidisc players as freebies from one of our suppliers at work and now i have to figure out how to use it. I want to use it to copy mp3s from my work computer to minidisc. I've heard that this won't give me the best quality but that it still will be listenable. Th players we got are Sony MZ R 500s and came with a "PC Link" - a silver plastic tube that plugs into a usb port and which would connect to the input with a little stereo plug. I'm wondering what the PC link does and how the sound would be different than if you plugged the cable into the sound card. The instruction book says that you play the music you want to record through the windows media player and use that thing to get it on the minidisc. I'd try it out but we have NT and it only works with 98, & 2000. Also if anyone has a suggestion for sites with good minidisc general info I'd appreciate it. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:08:56 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: minidisc question |-----Original Message----- |From: Melissa Higuchi [mailto:mel@scw.org] |Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:48 AM |To: Where are the cows |Subject: minidisc question | | |Hello, | We just got minidisc players as freebies from one of our |suppliers at work |and now i have to figure out how to use it. I want to use it |to copy mp3s |from my work computer to minidisc. I've heard that this won't |give me the |best quality but that it still will be listenable. | |Th players we got are Sony MZ R 500s and came with a "PC Link" |- a silver |plastic tube that plugs into a usb port and which would |connect to the input |with a little stereo plug. I'm wondering what the PC link does |and how the |sound would be different than if you plugged the cable into |the sound card. |The instruction book says that you play the music you want to |record through |the windows media player and use that thing to get it on the |minidisc. I'd |try it out but we have NT and it only works with 98, & 2000. | |Also if anyone has a suggestion for sites with good minidisc |general info I'd |appreciate it. This is the best web resource for MD recoders http://www.minidisc.org/ Not sure about the PC USB link, mine doesn't have one. I record out the soundcard if I want to go from PC to MD, like in your case for MP3 files. This way though you're actually recording analog in straight time. 74 mins will take 74 mins to record. You just set up your playlist for your MP3 player whichever you're using, I like Music Match myself for this. - --Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime On Sun, 6 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > From: Viv Lyon > > > > I always feel sort of dirty for crying at shows, I suppose because I don't > > feel I have the right to react that strongly to music I didn't write. > > That's kind of an odd point of view. Don't musicians usually want you to > get your own personal emotions and meaning out of their music? What > musician would really be disappointed or freaked out by having moved > someone to tears? Isn't that (a good part of) the point? Well, I'm an odd person, apparently. I don't know what musicians want, not being one myself. I assume different musicians have differing reactions to their audience/fans. Some of the people whose music moves me seem not to like their fans very much, and this makes me extremely self-conscious about my reactions to their music. Of course, it doesn't make me so self-conscious that I fail to react (as Jeme will attest, being next to me as I run the complete emotional gamut quite visibly and enthusiastically). Is it somewhat silly, then, to nevertheless give a shit about what the person onstage might be thinking? Yeah, probably. But I can't help it. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: WaterWorks I don't cry much; I've developed some kind of weird, auto-suppression reflex that I wish wasn't there -- sometimes it feels like I don't have a mechanism for expressing some emotions that I desperately feel a need to express. But if there's a song, lately, that can get my eye juices a-flowin', it's Grant Lee Buffalo's The Hook. The album version is on Fuzzy, and it's pretty good, but I've got a live version from a show that Grant did solo here in Portland last March that kills me. It really, really speaks to me, especially in light of recent events here on this very list. So, if no one minds, I'd like to reproduce the lyrics here, as a kind of gesture of understanding. Hopefully some of the folks I consider friends here will be able to take something from them. The Hook There's one thing I'll tell you friend I don't believe in supermen Who fly through the clouds Above the rest I don't believe In the best And I never wanted to fight with you It's just the last thing That I wanted to do But you're so afraid To look at love You got to let it all go This cut-above stuff 'Cause this is the hook That drags you This is the hook In the crook of your neck It's the hook That snags you This is the hook And there's one thing I'll tell you friend All of our trials are gonna come to an end And you and I We're gonna fall Like we never stood on this little earth at all And this is the hook that drags you This is the hook In the crook of your neck It's the hook that snags you This is the hook In the crook of your neck The hook that drags you This is the hook. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:55:39 -0000 From: Melissa Higuchi Subject: songs to cry to Hmmm. Of course much of Robyn's work can move me to tears. Particularly stuff on IODOT, Respect and Moss Elixir. Heartful of Leaves, Flavor of Night, Sinister, Arms of love, The last thing that I listened to when in a bad mood and in need of some crying was Trouble by Cat Stevens. Other mood music for things like that include Ok Computer - pretty much the whole thing, Starfish, also the whole album. I haven't listened to midnight oil in a long time but I remember that Antarctica, Hercules, wedding cake Island and that one song by the Warumpi band "my Island home" used to get to me. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:01:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CD Burning -- MAC division Casady&Greene's "SoundJam", or the Apple official port, "iTunes". Both can auto rip CD's and save the files as MP3, AIFF, or WAV. SoundJam can also encode to MP2. - -tc on 5/7/01 4:38 AM, Poole, R. Edward at PooleR@dsmo.com wrote: > Anyone know of a MAC product to replace the lousy adaptec/roxio toast audio > extractor? I have no problems BURNING with toast, but my rips (using Toast > Audio Extractor) frequently are full of clicks, pops, static, etc (but only > with tracks that are on the last 1/3 of a given CD's playlist). I have a > workaround, using my multitracking audio workstation software, but that is > really slow, and I'd like to find something that is quick and reliable. > > just wondering > -ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: minidisc question On Mon, 7 May 2001, Melissa Higuchi wrote: > We just got minidisc players as freebies from one of our suppliers at > work and now i have to figure out how to use it. That's quite a freebie. Nice swag! > I want to use it to copy mp3s from my work computer to minidisc. I've > heard that this won't give me the best quality but that it still will > be listenable. Oh, it'll be fine. (I think most audiophiles lie to sound cool.) > Th players we got are Sony MZ R 500s and came with a "PC Link" - a > silver plastic tube that plugs into a usb port and which would connect > to the input with a little stereo plug. I'm wondering what the PC link > does and how the sound would be different than if you plugged the > cable into the sound card. The instruction book says that you play > the music you want to record through the windows media player and use > that thing to get it on the minidisc. I'd try it out but we have NT > and it only works with 98, & 2000. The "PC link" is just a digital-analog converter that plugs into the USB port. Depending on your sound card, it may or may not be better than just plugging an analog line directrly from your PC to your MD. But it's still an analog connection and so you're getting converted twice. The best bet is, of course, to get a sound card with digital output (I hear good things about the Xitel Storm Platinum and its optical outputs... mine only has SPDIF digital co-ax.) and run into the optical digital IN on your MD recorder. Also note that your minidisc recorder probably won't recognize the gaps between songs and will fail to insert track marks. There are a couple of work-arounds. I hear there's a winamp plug-in that'll insert silence between playback tracks... that's your best bet. THe other is to use 2 or 4 second silent MP3s and put them between the tracks in your playlist. > Also if anyone has a suggestion for sites with good minidisc general > info I'd appreciate it. Of course, the canonical site would be . Lots of good information there. The one drawback of the MZ-R500, in my opinion, is the complete LACK of a microphone input. I can't believe Sony even attempted this shit. If you want to record with a microphone, you'll have to get a battery powered pre-amplifier and run that into the line-in on the MD recorder. I read that the MZ-R500 doesn't come with a remote... Does this mean it doesn't even have the option? If you look at the headphone jack, does it seem to be keyhole shaped (where the round bit is where you put the minijack and then there's a straight slot coming off of that)? One site seemed to suggest that you could plug a Sony MD remote into an MZ-R500, if you had one, but I can't see any good pictures. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:16:41 -0000 From: "Lilac Doorway" Subject: Local Heros Lobster Swedene pointing out a good cry method: >alone in a dark room with >candles (cheesy) And to think this had never occured to me. And then on The Star Wars Holiday Special(one more apt illustartion of why the word "special" should be stricken from the English langauge): >Just plain BAD.... Jefferson Starship, Art Carney, a >drunk Carrie Fisher, 15 minutes of Wookie Talk to >?start out the thing with.... classic. You are a venerable professor of cheese sir. Have you thought of putting up a Webpage?(Seriously;-) Jill: >And Kay mentioned Diver Dan. We must be a club of two, sweetheart. >One >not only has to be ancient but also has to have grown up around >NYC to >remember Diver Dan. I was terrified of Baron Barracuda and >couldn't >figure out why DD never got to rendezvous with the mermaid >(because then >they would have had to have sex, stupid! - hey, maybe >Robyn could do asong >about Diver Dan) I loved Diver Dan! I wanted to be that mermaid and rendezvous. And now I - -know- youre real, because youve given the secret password: Baron Barracuda. My dad used to pretend to be him, chase me around the apartment, and then we'd "love wrestle"(his term.) Warped me for life. I remember the cheesy so-fake underwater sets, which for some reason I loved. And then they would cut to this great shot of a real ocean, which made me want it to be summer on the beach. And then there was the shot on the boat, and Dan being lowered down and I was fascinated by what it would be like walking around in your own armor(somewhow Diver Dan got confused wht knights)underwater. (Isnt that a pre-Robyn Robynesque image, I can see it as a drawing he'd do, a discobobulated knight walking around on the ocean floor admidst the flora and fauna with a squid-fish-mermaid swimming above him.)All in glorious black n white, of course. But the outside shots were always exactly the same. And the outside shots looked like they were filmed on some totally different sort of film from the inside sets. Like two alien words. For awhile my world. Oh--we -are- of a certain age, aren't we?;-) Do you remember the horse show--"Fury." I wouldnt go have lunch till Id listened to the theme music at the end of it. It made me cry. >Tom Lehrer to whom I genuflect, genuflect. BTW--I tried to be as oblivious of Nixon as possible.;-) Gnat: >From the Quail's .sig file: >I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library. > --J.L. Borges >Reason #1,786 why Portland is great: this quote is emblazoned in gold >over >the main entrance to the Portland Public Library. So is -that- where Robyn's train was heading? Between this, and the earlier discription of the Portland Library's on-line services, it must be a wonderful place indeed. Recently built? Nice new infrastructure all bright, airy and computer-friendly? Sigh. Philly's libe's is very grand but inadequetly lighted(we had alot of skylights that all got blocked off over time), inadequetly wired, priceless rare books grow mold below leaks in our stacks. We -so- need a new large annex, but hey--what the city -really- needs is a new subsidized stadium. Must be nice living somewhere with its priorities straight. BTW, theres also a great line from Emerson(I think, maybe Thoreau?) "A library is like a harem." Viv >I cry quite a bit at performances by Senor Hitchcock (notice how I >ironically distance myself by using a silly name) I myself favor BHC which stands for, well, you know. When the SBs did Philly, I was in front and got misty during "Airscape." >I always feel sort of dirty for crying at shows, I suppose because I don't >feel I have the right to react that strongly to music I didn't >write. I >feel guilty for taking these words and this music and making >them mean >what I need them to mean, which is inevitably different >from what the >artist intended (if in fact they intended anything) Really--I thought that was what you were supposed to do? Youre not a carbon copy of the artist. The whole point is that youre a totally different person with totally different experiences. The power is in the bridging of that gap. If it wasnt brief, difficult and tenuous it wouldnt be so tender and beautiful. The fact that art is possible at all is an ongoing miracle. Hal: >hal, who is terrible at describing beautiful creatures in soundbite >form As a perpetual enemy of the soundbite, I say stay terrible, its what makes you a beautiful creature. Thanks for the info. I just didnt realize how it all started as early as "Help." Ken: >that'...purple people eater' tune. Now -that- song scared me more than anything Robyn's ever done. Ross: >but "it's life and life only." Amen. The Feelies song and album ... " Its Only Life"? >the first >song I remember wanting to hear was "Let it >Loose" from Exhiles On Main Street (actually a >slow, emotional song). Man oh man, that, along with The McGargles "Mendocino" and Youngbloods "Darkness, Darkness" is right on the top of my list. Love it, love it(and think Jagger is a far better lyric writer than hes ever been give credit for(or would let himself be given credit for)anyway, and then the way it segueways into "Man of Constant Sorrow" as the music hits creschendo, its devestating. But then I really love alot on Exile On Main St in general. Its desperate stuff. Oh, and Ross, as an alternating blurter and non-discloser(depending on my mood) jftr--I think blurters are closer to the angels and non-disclosers to the apes. So blurt on. BTW--Viv's coment on using funny names to emotionally distance yourself brought up something I always find problematic. Is there anyone else out their raised by such old-fashioned proper parents that they find calling someoneone whom they dont know by their first name abit cheaply over-familiar? As in "Robyn." It took me years of fandom to be able to type that. Early conditioning (and an all-girls school)tells me Hitchcock is the proper appellation for someone who dosnt know -my- first name(going the NYT's route of refering to everyone as Mr or Ms is abit -too- formal even for me.) But everyone else calls him Robyn, Ive been a fan for what feels like ever. So--- Robyn. Robyn. Robyn. There I said it! (but then why do I feel -so- naughty?;-)(man, it -is- a cheap thrill!) Bayard,James,Steve,Brian, Mike, Woj and Brett, as usual you do techies proud. Thanks for the CD to CDR info. I'd say the techies may even be leading the librarians now in Feg Jeopordy. (But we'll bounce back!) Dwarf: >it's to celebrate a French invasion twarted for several days by >lobsters, right? What a great mispelling. But whats the dif tween thouroughbread and non-thouroughbread lobsters? Holden, I think the Hoodoo Gurus opened for Rowen(heh, heh, love middle names, so unproblematic) sometime in the 90s. Cant remember which tour. Kay Lord Newburger Wisniewski(notice it gets longer and more complicated with each name)(Actually thats not my real name, just some nice puns on it;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #182 ********************************