From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #181 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- CD copying [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: New songs on underwatermoonlight.com ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [=b ] Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [/dev/woj ] RE: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Lobster Day???? [Jeff Dwarf ] WanderLust ["Sirloin Stockade" ] CDR info sight [Mike Swedene ] Re: New songs on underwatermoonlight.com [=b ] Gene Hackman ["Marc Holden" ] Re: surreal early 70's public television [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: CDR info sight [Brett Cooper ] Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [Brett Cooper ] testh ["Aaron L." ] sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: CDR info sight [Mike Swedene ] Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime [lj lindhurst James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:57:25 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: New songs on underwatermoonlight.com >From: "brian nupp" > > >The new songs are ... > > >Out Of The Picture (Hoboken, 1980) > >There's Nobody Like You (Hoboken, 1980) > >What a fine collection of songs! Extra-bonus getting the 1980 stuff. Grrr. I want the *entire* Maxwell's, 1980 show in MP3. Now! It's an amazingly fierce performance, and my third-gen cassette tape is on its last leg. I'm off to subscribe now, to see how good the quality is for the Maxwell's MP3s... Of course the Boys did a blazing "Zip Zip" at that show. Is that the only recording of that song, or is the recording on the bonus 7" with the UM vinyl reissue a different session. Anybody know? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Lobster Day???? If you are looking for an excuse to wish someone a happy crustacean day... wiat no longer. I found this on bluemountain.com today. Feel free to send it out to anyone.... perhaps Robyn had a hand in this. Who knew? About this holiday: Held annually in Aiken, South Carolina, Lobster Race and Oyster Parade Day is the world's only throughbred lobster race and oyster party. The lobsters are raced in a unique salt water track called "Lobster Downs" while spectators enjoy beach music and gourmet seafood. Lobster Day Card Peace, Love and Lobsters! Herbie np - Scratching Post "Sleepwalking" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 21:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) On Sat, 5 May 2001, Brett Cooper wrote: > > you need a program called exact audio copy (EAC) - available at > > www.exactaudiocopy.de - it's "cardware", the author requests 1 postcard in > > payment. this program copies the sound files from the CD (which after > > all, is a disk with digital data on it) to your computer, from which you > > can burn your cd (or make mp3s.) > > This process is not relegated to simply one piece of software. There are > many programs, most of them downloadable, that can do this. For example, > Adaptec (www.adaptec.com) makes some fine user-friendly programs that can > digitally extract the song(s) that you want and allow you arrange them in > whatever order you want, decide how many seconds, if any, you want between > tracks, etc. and burn them to whatever form of CD-R media you choose. > > My program of choice is Adaptec's CD Toast. Almost too easy to use! and as steve points out, Easy CD Creator is the windows version. But remember, only exact audio copy extracts the data "securely"... others can introduce various sorts of glitches, and none of us want that. http://exactaudiocopy.de But yeah, then you need a program to burn the CD. EZ CD creator is ok. (and free.) Nero and CDRWIN are probably better (if you're on windoughs) as i told quailio, the best source of info on CDR stuff is here: http://cdrfaq.org/ check it out, K. feel free to write me if you have any more questions! basically, it's best to do it in 2 steps: 1) rip the songs to your hard drive. 2) burn the songs to a new disc. =b BTW Brett, is your last name really cooper? just a coincidence, or did you change your name? (or am i forgetting that you're related to Alice?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:39:03 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) when we last left our heroes, =b exclaimed: >But yeah, then you need a program to burn the CD. EZ CD creator is ok. >(and free.) Nero and CDRWIN are probably better (if you're on windoughs) lo! exactaudiocopy can now burn cds! all your (windows-based) audio extraction and audio burning needs can be supplied by one program that is free! hurrah! woj p.s. well, not free -- the author asks that you send him a postcard.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 00:11:09 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) Bayard: > and as steve points out, Easy CD Creator is the windows version. But > remember, only exact audio copy extracts the data "securely"... > others can introduce various sorts of glitches, and none of us want that. > http://exactaudiocopy.de Not that he needs it, but I'll second Bayard's endorsement of EAC if you want to be sure to avoid pops and clicks in your rips. The Adaptec products are fine for quick and dirty rips, and certainly for burning, but you never know whether you'll find a glitch in your rip. EAC's precision come at a price: speed. It takes longer than other programs to extract digital audio. But you make up that time in not having to listen for artifacts. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:13:48 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: New songs on underwatermoonlight.com At 05:57 PM 5/5/2001, Gene Hopstetter, Jr., wrote: >Of course the Boys did a blazing "Zip Zip" at that show. Is that the only >recording of that song, or is the recording on the bonus 7" with the UM >vinyl reissue a different session. Anybody know? The one on the 7" is from Maxwell's. Don't know if there is another recorded version or not, though. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:23:21 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Weapy bits Jeme: > > Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mine > > And I was SURE I was the only one that considered this song horribly > depressing, tragic and heartwhatevering. Nope, I'm in that club too, so there are at least 3 of us. Actually there are a few Oils songs that do that for me, "Warakurna" from Diesel and Dust and "Maralinga" from 10,9,8... to name a couple. I know the thread is dead so I won't do my comprehensive list of tear-yankers (I'm a pretty easy cry anyway) but I've been surprised lately to find that "Sleep" from the newest GYBE album has me fighting back the tears on and off for its entire 20 minutes. And I assume no one has mentioned Knopfler's main theme from Local Hero because it's too bloody obvious. I can't even *talk* about that ringing red telephone box at the end without getting a lump in my throat. +b ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 00:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Lobster Day???? Mike Swedene wrote: > If you are looking for an excuse to wish someone a > happy crustacean day... wiat no longer. I found this > on bluemountain.com today. Feel free to send it out > to anyone.... perhaps Robyn had a hand in this. > > Who knew? it's to celebrate a French invasion twarted for several days by lobsters, right? > About this holiday: Held annually in Aiken, South > Carolina, Lobster Race and Oyster Parade Day is the > world's only throughbred lobster race and oyster > party. > > The lobsters are raced in a unique salt water track > called "Lobster Downs" while spectators enjoy beach > music and gourmet seafood. > > href="http://www1.bluemountain.com/eng3/tomoko/UNHlobrace.html"> > Lobster Day Card > > Peace, Love and Lobsters! > > Herbie > > np - Scratching Post "Sleepwalking" > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 03:03:47 -0700 From: "Sirloin Stockade" Subject: WanderLust Chapter 4 The Badboy Of Burbank "Hot Damn!" cried Eb. "That's great! What is it?" "Grand Marnier -- just like you recommended," replied Father Lindross. "Yeah? Tastes so fine out of that Holy Chalice (or, whatever you call it), I almost didn't recognise it. Gimme another swallow, huh?" A teenager behind Eb in line complained, "C'mon, man. I ain't got all day, here." Eb turned around and kicked the teenager in the balls harder than he'd ever kicked any man in the balls before. Towering over the crumpled teenager, Eb proclaimed, "Eleventh commandment: wait your FUCKIN' turn, a-hole." Eb, gesturing toward the enormous queue, commented, "See, what'd I tell you, bro'? You give people an *incentive* to take communion, and they *will*. They really will." "Yeah," replied a delighted Father Lindross. "Some people are even lining up for seconds!" Eb beamed. As Father Lindross began to bless him again, Eb interrupted, "Aw, I don't need all that 'Blood of Christ' crap this time. I just want to get a good buzz going. You know how it is." Father Lindross nodded his acknowledgement, and Eb, taking the Holy Chalice (or, whatever you call it) from his hands, sang out, "Bottoms up, Padre!" before draining the cup. As he did, a look of hurt bewilderment crossed Eb's face. "Say, Father," Eb was barely able to whisper, "how come you didn't replace the stinkin' wafers with melon-stuffed prosciutto?" Try as he might, Eb was unable to contain his tears, which streamed down his face like the very waters of Niagara. "Well, we tried, you know," replied Father Lindross. "But due to a labor action in the fields, we couldn't get a shipment of honeydew in." "Fuckin' communist wetback a-holes," spat Eb disgustedly. *** Stoney Lonesome -- Day 1 *** Eb was frantically searching his pockets as the sentry led him down the corridor toward his cell. "Oh shit...oh fuck...oh no... Could you believe it?" he asked the guard. "I *totally* neglected to pack any rubbers! My Gilligan's Island condoms, that I just bought after church yesterday. I could've *sworn* I had them with me. I was going to use the 'Skipper' first, and *everything*. *Fuck* me." Finally they reached his cell. As the door clanged shut behind him, Eb dropped his art supplies on the bed, looked around, and announced, "Decent...deeeecent." He continued, "Well, I guess I'll just make myself at home, being that I'm going to be here a while, and all. I'll just--" As soon as he was sure the guard was out of earshot, he straightened up and began, "Okay, everyone, listen up. I've gotta bust out of this Hell-hole, but soon. See, a friend of mine (whom I'll just call 'Shuttlecock') scored some sweet front row tickets to the Tool concert on the 12th. That's right: the 12th. In just two days' time, I've got to be on my way. So, here's the plan. After a five minute (or so) circle-jerk, I need you all to..." he trailed off, slowly coming to the realisation that there was nobody else in the cell. "What...the...fuck? Those a-holes assigned me to solitary? This can't...my plan'll never work without help. I...Tool...I..." Eb slowly peeled off his garments -- one by one -- until he was butt nekkid. Then, sitting down cross-legged in the middle of his cell, he began to weep. For the second time in as many days, the tears streamed down his face like the very waters of niagara. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: CDR info sight This is my friend's sight and he has some info and links to cdrs and he does trades too. CDR InfoHope this is helpful too.By The way.... there seems to be a lot of MAC people on here and I am glad to see we are. What software do you guys/girls use to burn CDS, is there anything better than TOAST???Herbienp - Scratching Post "I'm Your Demon" Yahoo! Auctions - Click and bid on cool stuff like Dave Matthews Band Tickets & more! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: Re: New songs on underwatermoonlight.com On Sun, 6 May 2001, Aaron L. wrote: > At 05:57 PM 5/5/2001, Gene Hopstetter, Jr., wrote: > >Of course the Boys did a blazing "Zip Zip" at that show. Is that the only > >recording of that song, or is the recording on the bonus 7" with the UM > >vinyl reissue a different session. Anybody know? > > The one on the 7" is from Maxwell's. Don't know if there is another > recorded version or not, though. I recently added some info to robynbase regarding this song. if you're interested, look it up at www.jh3.com/robyn/base ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 11:09:25 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Gene Hackman I just picked up a Hoodoo Gurus CD--Electric Chair, that includes a song called "Gene Hackman". It is not the same song that Robyn wrote, and was recorded July 11-12, 1997. According to Robynbase, Hitchcock first played Hackman on March 5, 1997. Does anyone know if the Hoodoo Gurus were performing it live before Robyn? I'm really curious about whether these songs developed independent of each other or if one influenced the other. That gives Gene as many songs as Robert DeNiro, as far as I can tell (not counting the Goodfellas answering machine message on Jewels for Sophia). BTW--the Chills have a "secret" box set available on-line from their site. In the US, it's a cheap $28 including shipping. http://www.softbomb.com/chills/pages/p11.htm Later, Marc Take away the right to say "fuck" and you take away the right to say, "Fuck the government." ---Lenny Bruce (1925-1966) American comic ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 11:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: surreal early 70's public television chris sluserenko who put together colonel jerry pumperknickel always mentioned bumpity, he used to say that bumpity is mind control...he grew up with funky parents which fed him on the resindents as a child( poor guy :) ) On Thu, 3 May 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > Since our parents didn't really have that many records, as Karen pointed > out (we don't think they were really affected much by the sixties at all), > My sense of the surreal was encouraged in a broader sense by early '70's > kid programs. For example: > > Electric Company > That Sid Krofft (sp) show whose name I forget just now > Sigmund the Sea Monster > "Ramblin' Rod (a local kiddie show that showed violent Looney Tunes > cartoons") > > ..but I especially remember this bizarre "Oregon Public Broadcasting" kids > show on Sunday mornings called "Bumpity." Do any other NW Fegs remember > this?? It featured a jabba the hut-like green velcro creature (that was > "Bumpity") and then a feeble, red and blue striped sock called "Fred the > Worm." I would be thrilled if anyone else other than my sisters remember > this bizarre show. Ahh, the Seventies. > > Carole > Number of Floridian ex-cons denied the right to vote last November because of felony convictions : 525,000 Source: Brennan Center for Justice (N.Y.C.) Number of times a Floridian can be convicted of DUI before the infraction becomes a felony : 3 Source: Mothers Against Drunk Driving (Irving, Tex.) Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: funny fish I've wanted to ask this question of SOMEONE on and off for over a decade. Does anyone else have an unusual pressing of the Invisible Hitchcock CD? Mine is on Glass Fish and was printed in England. The cover is correct, but inside there is a small pink piece of paper that says: Errata: Due to a printing error, the Artist/Title on the label of this CD are incorrect and should read Robyn Hitchcock - Invisible Hitchcock. The tracklisting and other label copy are correct. And, indeed, on the disk it says "Robyn Hitchcock and Egyptians - Element of Light." Just wanted to know. Jill, in Boston, where the summer turns to winter overnight ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 12:56:57 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: CDR info sight on 5/6/01 9:14 AM, Mike Swedene at pulp_101@yahoo.com wrote: > This is my friend's sight and he has some info and links to cdrs and he does > trades too. CDR InfoHope this is helpful too.By The way.... there seems to be > a lot of MAC people on here and I am glad to see we are. What software do you > guys/girls use to burn CDS, is there anything better than TOAST???Herbienp - > Scratching Post "I'm Your Demon" > Yahoo! Auctions - Click and bid on cool stuff like Dave Matthews Band Tickets > & more! Uh, URL? ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:00:45 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) on 5/5/01 9:11 PM, Brian Huddell at bhuddell@bellsouth.net wrote: > Not that he needs it, but I'll second Bayard's endorsement of EAC if you > want to be sure to avoid pops and clicks in your rips. The Adaptec products > are fine for quick and dirty rips, and certainly for burning, but you never > know whether you'll find a glitch in your rip. Which Adaptec program are you referring to? Toast gives me nothing short of digital excellence each and every time. I have never had the misfortune of making a toaster while making clones of Insane Clown Posse CD's. > EAC's precision come at a price: speed. It takes longer than other programs > to extract digital audio. But you make up that time in not having to listen > for artifacts. True, but then doesn't that also depend on your CD ROM drive? Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: funny fish On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > Errata: > Due to a printing error, the Artist/Title on the label of this CD are > incorrect and should read Robyn Hitchcock - Invisible Hitchcock. The > tracklisting and other label copy are correct. I think this came up before -- you're certainly not alone. I've got one. - -- d. np ian hunter _rant_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:28:16 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: testh At 04:11 PM 5/6/2001, dmw wrote: >On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > > > Errata: > > Due to a printing error, the Artist/Title on the label of this CD are > > incorrect and should read Robyn Hitchcock - Invisible Hitchcock. The > > tracklisting and other label copy are correct. > > >I think this came up before -- you're certainly not alone. I've got one. > >-- d. > >np ian hunter _rant_ > >- oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos >- www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing >- www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews >- www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:29:37 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime > From: Mike Swedene > > Usually anything from the "greatest year in rock and > roll" as my friends and I refered to 1984 as with such > strong releases from the police, sniths, rem, cure. Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was pretty much THE year as far as the sort of music I like, as well (I wouldn't go so far as "greatest in rock and roll," except in private maybe). Dunno about the Cure (The Top was kind of uneven) but yes, the Smiths, yes, REM, and I'd add Echo and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and for sure XTC. > From: Viv Lyon > > I always feel sort of dirty for crying at shows, I suppose because I don't > feel I have the right to react that strongly to music I didn't write. That's kind of an odd point of view. Don't musicians usually want you to get your own personal emotions and meaning out of their music? What musician would really be disappointed or freaked out by having moved someone to tears? Isn't that (a good part of) the point? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: funny fish I've got one too. Herbie - --- dmw wrote: > On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > > > Errata: > > Due to a printing error, the Artist/Title on the > label of this CD are > > incorrect and should read Robyn Hitchcock - > Invisible Hitchcock. The > > tracklisting and other label copy are correct. > > > I think this came up before -- you're certainly not > alone. I've got one. > > -- d. > > np ian hunter _rant_ > > - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = > dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos > - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk > = the new thing > - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, > etc. = reviews > - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, > betrayal! = rock music Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: CDR info sight ooops... here's the sight.... http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/harryshood Herbie - --- Mike Swedene wrote: > This is my friend's sight and he has some info and > links to cdrs and he does trades too. CDR InfoHope > this is helpful too.By The way.... there seems to be > a lot of MAC people on here and I am glad to see we > are. What software do you guys/girls use to burn > CDS, is there anything better than TOAST???Herbienp > - Scratching Post "I'm Your Demon" > Yahoo! Auctions - Click and bid on cool stuff like > Dave Matthews Band Tickets & more! Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:31:33 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime >Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was pretty >much THE year as far as the sort of music I like, as well >(I wouldn't go so far as "greatest in rock and roll," except >in private maybe). Dunno about the Cure (The Top was kind >of uneven) but yes, the Smiths, yes, REM, and I'd add Echo >and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and for sure >XTC. Echo and the Bunnymen simply RULED my high school years-! And by the way, 1984 was the year that Elvis Costello released "Goodbye Cruel World"--not normally considered his best work, but I'll tell you what, it fucking rocked MY world at the time...! I had this HUGE "Goodbye Cruel World" poster for years. Wish I still had it. 1984 was also the year that David Bowie released probably his WORST record, "Tonight" (although I think that "Loving the Alien" is one of his most excellent songs). >> From: Viv Lyon >> >> I always feel sort of dirty for crying at shows, I suppose because I don't >> feel I have the right to react that strongly to music I didn't write. > >That's kind of an odd point of view. Don't musicians usually want you to >get your own personal emotions and meaning out of their music? What >musician would really be disappointed or freaked out by having moved >someone to tears? Isn't that (a good part of) the point? Music that makes me cry: #1: Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach's "Painted From Memory". This record RIPS ME UP. I can barely even listen to it... #2: Cried my eyes out seeing the Emerson String Quartet perform the first three Shostakovich string quartets. #3: You must must MUST listen to the new Nick Cave album! It fucking KILLS me. And dare I agree with TGQ for once?? This is without a doubt the best record I have heard so far this year. I highly recommend it to everyone, but especially to Eddie (sounds very Dan Bern influenced), Viv, Natalie, and Even Eb. Trust me on this one. It's excellent. Okay...enough from me...and enough elipseses... l "sugar kisses" j - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:07:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: sss sss sex crime crime cricricricri crime Drew: >Funny you say that -- I've always thought 1984 was pretty >much THE year as far as the sort of music I like This exchange is kinda interesting, because in recent times, I've heard a few other people say that 1984 represents "THE year" for them. A bit puzzling to me. I guess 1984 might indeed represent the peak of MTV's cultural/generational impact, but the year doesn't feel quite as special to me, simply because outside of REM's Reckoning, Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense and perhaps the Bangles' All Over the Place, the year's prominently heard music just isn't what excites me. And *during* 1984, I bought exactly four new releases: two by Laurie Anderson, Budd/Eno's The Pearl (which I'm not crazy about) and King Crimson's Three of a Perfect Pair. That's about all the contemporary music which grabbed me, back then: the whole Gabriel/Belew/Laurie/Crimson/Bowie/Talking Heads/Bush/Eno school of arty, prog-influenced pop. Also, I was *heavily* into buying catalog albums during that period, especially '60s stuff like Dylan, Jefferson Airplane, the Velvet Underground, the Rolling Stones, Buffalo Springfield, the Byrds, the Who, the Beatles and the Kinks. I bought my first albums by several of those groups, during this time. Remember all those classic "Nice Price"-type records, which were newly marked down to just $3.99? That's where my head was at. I didn't have much access to MTV, and I didn't miss it at all. Meanwhile, I didn't discover a lot of the 1984 music which I admire *now* (the Replacements, Husker Du, Nick Cave, Einsturzende Neubauten, Cocteau Twins, Foetus, Minutemen, Hitchcock, XTC, This Mortal Coil, Butthole Surfers, the Fall, the Jazz Butcher...) until a year or three later. Heck, I didn't even bother buying Stop Making Sense until 1993, and that was on cheapie used vinyl (I'm still hunting for a deal on the CD reissue with the bonus tracks). I saw Paloalto/Skylab/Soul Kid #1 on Thursday night and Of Montreal/Marshmallow Coast/From Bubblegum to Sky/Irving on Friday, but I'm skipping detailed commentaries about these shows. I've been giving the list too much creative energy, lately...time to refocus. I'm also seeing Rufus Wainwright/Tegan & Sara, tomorrow night. Eb np: Les Claypool's Frog Brigade/Live Frogs Set 1 (speaking of Crimson...) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #181 ********************************