From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #180 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Silver Dagger [Mike Swedene ] Re: seminal notions [The Great Quail ] Re: childhood musical inspirations? [Mike Swedene ] Diver Dan [Jill Brand ] more time-wasting ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Girls do cry, and how [Viv Lyon ] Re: Freebird to Earwigs [HAL ] I got the Hots~ ["brian nupp" ] scary and sad [Ken Ostrander ] So is it the largest category in Robyn's work? ["Lilac Doorway" ] crimea river ["ross taylor" ] [comics] hart and sim [HAL ] RE: [Capuchin ] Harry's Son, George. [Capuchin ] Re: Harry's Son, George. [Tom Clark ] fegMusic [Bayard ] Re: fegMusic - credit where due [Bayard ] Re: compilations [=b ] copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [=b ] Re: the influenza of youth... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [Brett Cooper ] Re: Attn: /hal, others I'm trading with [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) [steve ] pop culture press interview [/dev/woj ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Silver Dagger - --- Jill Brand wrote: > Carole wrote: Kay asked about what music to put on > when you need a good > cry. Oh, where to start? It depends on what sort of > a cry. If you've been > dumped: Usually anything from the "greatest year in rock and roll" as my friends and I refered to 1984 as with such strong releases from the police, sniths, rem, cure. etc. Best break up album is Synchronicity (IMHO) side 2 (Yes I own the vinyl) alone in a dark room with candles (cheesy) Oh well... there is my 2 cents. Herbie np - Scratching Post "I'm Your Demon" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:43:32 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: seminal notions >I can recall >an "old hippie" program director at a radio station I worked for years >ago swearing that it was *the* cure for bad acid trips ("Put it on and >it's instantly familiar. It's like an old friend. It's just >so...FRIENDLY!!") This is very very true. - --The Great "I may know this from experience" Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: childhood musical inspirations? - --- "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > Anybody else got any particularly influential > childhood records? hmmm... As far as records my parents used to listen to: Johnny cash, Elvis, and stuff like that. My uncle gave me a crate of records but my grandmother made him take out the "evil" records so i didn;t get to hear KISS. Instead I got Manfred Man's Greatest Hits, Beatles "Abbey road" and "Please Please Me". As far as TV shows went..... Sesame Street (loved the pinball machine, and grover, and the guy who banged his head against the piano "Mary had a ... tricycle") "Starblazers" (Anime) "Lost in Space" (reruns) and the one show that scared me once and I had to find it on VHS (and did) was the Star Wars Holiday Special. Just plain BAD.... Jefferson Starship, Art Carney, a drunk Carrie Fisher, 15 minutes of Wookie Talk to start out the thing with.... classic. later! Herbie np - Scratching Post "Bloodflame" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Diver Dan And Kay mentioned Diver Dan. We must be a club of two, sweetheart. One not only has to be ancient but also has to have grown up around NYC to remember Diver Dan. I was terrified of Baron Barracuda and couldn't figure out why DD never got to rendezvous with the mermaid (because then they would have had to have sex, stupid! - hey, maybe Robyn could do a song about Diver Dan). And who mentioned Tom Lehrer? When my parents bought That Was the Year That Was (fondly known as TW3), we wore the grooves out. That's how I found out about Mahler, Gropius and Werfel. GQ, did you ever see Nixon in China? My friend Sandy was Mao. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:17:30 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: more time-wasting >okay, i've been sorta skimming, but did *no one* say "tom lehrer???" Oh my god! I forgot about Tom Lehrer! I loved Tom Lehrer when I was a kid! Has anyone seen that display at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, where the table of the elements lights up in time to Lehrer's elements song? From the Quail's .sig file: >I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library. > --J.L. Borges Reason #1,786 why Portland is great: this quote is emblazoned in gold over the main entrance to the Portland Public Library. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Girls do cry, and how On Fri, 4 May 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > The most I have ever cried over music in my life: > > 1. Rufus Wainwright at the Bowery Ballroom. I had a lot of bottled up > emotions in the month preceding this show, and when I saw it, Roofies > just totally uncorked me. I sat there, tears running down my eyes and > crying like a baby for almost half the songs. I wanted to hug him > afterwards. I cry quite a bit at performances by Senor Hitchcock (notice how I ironically distance myself by using a silly name). Given that I often stand in the front row, this can be quite embarrassing, though the pleasure of actually seeing the performance outweighs the embarrassment. Usually. At one point, though, I was starting to loathe the first few bars of I Don't Remember Guildford, because I knew it heralded yet another awkward attempt to master my emotions. I was not expecting, however, to be so moved to tears at a Soft Boys show (or at most, perhaps tears of joy at finally seeing them live). But when they played I Wanna Destroy You in Portland, I just broke down. I happen to be a very pessimistic person by nature, and it takes great energy and will to overcome that. That song seems like a defiant fuck you to all the evil forces in the world, but what it actually is (to me) is a cry of desperation and an admission of helplessness to actually change the things which enrage/oppress/obstruct you. The weight of this fucked-up, horrifying world came settling on my shoulders all at once. I was so stricken that Human Music (which I generally regard as uplifting) just sent me further down the slope, and I realized that, for the sake of seemliness, I should go to the side of the stage and collect myself. I always feel sort of dirty for crying at shows, I suppose because I don't feel I have the right to react that strongly to music I didn't write. I feel guilty for taking these words and this music and making them mean what I need them to mean, which is inevitably different from what the artist intended (if in fact they intended anything). Of course, I don't feel guilty when listening at home, but when I'm in front of the person who wrote the songs, I am suddenly confronted with the fact that, though I feel I _own_ these songs, by virtue of feeling such strong emotions when I listen to them, I don't own them at all. I don't have a right to them. If whomever is on stage could see me, I assume they must think "How dare you. This is my music. You don't even know what I meant by these words." The anxiety these thoughts cause is relieved, however, by the realization that the lights are quite bright and the person on stage usually can't see the first few rows, if indeed they can see anything at all. So, halfway through Human Music I betook myself from the front row and went to smoke a cigarette. Afterwards, while talking to Morris, I was horrified to learn that he had seen my little spell. He seemed genuinely concerned that I was okay, which was sweet/bizarre/unsettling. My worst fears confirmed. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:35:32 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Freebird to Earwigs Kay: > Hmmm, so right after the Beatles went big seems like John got depressed. > did he get treatment or just self-medicate(why do I feel I > know the answer to this one even thou I dont know the answer;-)? John called the "Help!"-era his "Fat Elvis" period. He knew he wanted to leave The Beatles, but didn't "have the courage" at that point. Sure, he self-medicated (booze, pills, pot, eventually acid, heroin, coke, some might say peace and love), and he also went through various spiritual/psychological phases (ultimately denouncing most of them), i.e. stardom (The Beatles), the Maharishi (Sexy Sadie), his own messiah-complex (Ballad of John and Yoko), primal scream therapy (Plastic Ono Band debut), politics (Sometime in NYC), macrobiotic diets and parenthood (Dakota years), and ultimately a permeating Oedipal-complex (Yoko Ono). Along the way, he made many memorable tunes and said many entertaining, thought-provoking things. /hal, who is terrible at describing beautiful creatures in soundbite form ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:41:36 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: I got the Hots~ Did anyone else notice that "I got the hots" from April 29th is in mp3 form on the NON-members mp3 section on UM.com? Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:47:43 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: scary and sad >scares you when you turn the lights off Robyn half the time i find myself giggling eerie green storm lantern, the lizard, the man with the lightbulb head, executioner, lady waters and the hooded one, eaten by her own dinner, >You know you need a good cry. What music do you put on? if i need a cry, it really doesn't matter what i put on. it's gonna happen. hell, i can get all misty over jerry springer's final thought or the tragic sense of longing in sisqo's 'thong song'. > What music did you listen to in childhood that, in your opinion, directly > influenced your taste for the sometimes fanciful, sometimes dark music of > Robyn Hitchock? dad listened to country and "trucker" music. mom played lots of gospel. for a while we had a tape called 'funny bones' that had dr. demento type stuff like 'ahab the arab', 'love potion number nine', 'along came jones', and that '...purple people eater' tune. there were some cool eight tracks around like the beach boys endless summer, simon & garfunkel's greatest hits, and some early neil diamond; but to this day, elvis is the one artist that everyone in my family can agree on. i had some sesame street recordings and a lot of book & record thingies that were essentially comic books with audio. these items are lost now. following the evolution of my music collection would run from olivia newton john and duran duran through the beatles, police, clash, and talking heads to the flowering explosion of music that happened for me in 1987 when i discovered robyn hitchcock, the throwing muses, the pixies, the smiths, the cure, etc. >I love both Eye and Respect yes! there always seems to be the two camps of fans who fall behind one or the other. i realize that they're very different sounding albums; but why can't we love both of them? the lush sonic landscape of the latter and the sparse cathartic vitriol of the former are but two sides of the multifaceted feg coin. ken "*bing* turn the page" the kenster np tanto tempo bebel gilberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 20:28:52 -0000 From: "Lilac Doorway" Subject: So is it the largest category in Robyn's work? Jill on Joan: >you didn't think about liking or disliking her >voice; she was at every peace demonstration you were ever at, and you >bloody well loved her AND Phil Ochs as a package I think we must have been at some of the same demonstrations:-) I was too young to have become thouroughly obnoxious yet, so I kept my distaste for her voice to myself, but I liked Ochs. (I bet you remember Eric Anderson and "Thirsty Boots" too;-) Sounds like Godwin has left for fairer climes(Have -always- wanted to go to Alexandria and dive in the harbor for ruins of the Library) --but Ill second his suggestion that there be an oral sex category to the next song poll we do. That will cover what, half of Robyn's work? ;-) Quail: >Michael Moorcock and I were just >discussing the very topic of literary criticism and science fiction, >and the difference between the US and UK. (He wrote me a while back >regarding The Modern Word, and has proven to be quite the chatty >fellow. It's weird when one of your teenage heroes writes *you.*) As someone who went thru a phase where I read-everything(and its a heapin lot of varying quality)- by Moorcock, may I say--Im impressed. Gee, just think Quail--some day we'll be able to say we knew you when... BTW I was able to score a copy of T&I from the libes(for -free-.) Its an old recording, Flagstaff is on it? Saturday is all garden work, do you think roses will enjoy being planted to it? Kay, off to the great outdoors(otherwise known as an 8th of an acre) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:39:20 -0600 From: HAL Subject: geo harrison cancer relapse http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010503/en/britain_george_harrison_10.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:27:00 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: crimea river cry songs-- Sorry to get heavy here, particularly as a newcomer, but I typed in the lyrics to "Take This in Remembrance" in memory of my sister who died a month ago of uterine cancer. For reasons we still don't understand she had been estranged from us for years, so it's been her *things* that "tell me all about you." There was a very hippie & very sweet memorial service at the Chapel Hill farmers' market (where she did most of her business)that involved exchange of her possesions among my family and her (many) close friends. So it's been a 3-or- 4 handkerchief song for me recently. Hope it doesn't seem weird for me to have kept on w/ list banter thru this, but "it's life and life only." (At my stage of life I see dark green humor in everything, so I visualize some of you retrospectively wincing at the "what song d'ya wanna die to" thread. As Quick-Draw McGraw woud say, 'Ss a'rright!) As long as I'm on this subject, when I'd got myself back into a semi normal frame of mind after my father died some years back, the first song I remember wanting to hear was "Let it Loose" from Exhiles On Main Street (actually a slow, emotional song). [Please note: From time to time I tend to blurt everything (well, not everything--whew!). My mom blurts nothing. Those of you who are bearing other loads & blurt nothing, I know where you're coming from. And I stand ready to fight for internet anonymity.] Well, you asked. :) Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:30:16 -0600 From: HAL Subject: [comics] hart and sim http://www.suck.com/daily/2001/05/04/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: There should be several of these little things in a row. On Fri, 4 May 2001, da9ve stovall wrote: > >- --You know you need a good cry. What music do you put on? I don't do much to actually TRY to cry. I also don't put things on to enhance my mood. But there are definitely songs that just do too much. > Mississippi John Hurt - Stack-O-Lee Blues (Stag-O-Lee, however > you spell it) Yeah, this is something. > Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mine And I was SURE I was the only one that considered this song horribly depressing, tragic and heartwhatevering. Possibly the rockinest song that makes me maudlin every time (with the exception of the version of The Yip Song that goes "This old man, he was gone/ he was roses, ash and holly"). And I've never conidered Flavour of Night to be sad or depressing or anything like that. I think it's just about aching beauty. And while it's painful, it's a really GOOD painful. Now, you want an I Often Dream of Trains song that wipes the smile right off my face, you can have Autumn Is Your Last Chance. I would say it probably makes me cry nine times out of some number only slightly higher than nine. (See? I can be silly to avoid truth, too.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Harry's Son, George. So, I glanced at the article about George Harrison's cancer. My eyes have been bothering me all day... dry and itchy, unable to focus, and the right one is kind of twitching to a point where if I close the left on, the image actually moves around quite a bit. So I read this (formatting theirs, as it might be important): Harrison, 58, had surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., to remove a cancerous growth from one of his lungs, according to the lawyers. as this: Harrison, 58, had surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., to remove a cancerous growth from one of his many lungs, according to the lawyers. Thank you. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:19:39 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Harry's Son, George. on 5/4/01 3:32 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > So I read this (formatting theirs, as it might be important): > > Harrison, 58, had surgery at the Mayo Clinic in > Rochester, Minn., to remove a cancerous growth > from one of his lungs, according to the lawyers. > > as this: > > Harrison, 58, had surgery at the Mayo Clinic in > Rochester, Minn., to remove a cancerous growth from > one of his many lungs, according to the lawyers. Fave line from "Airplane!": Operator: "Captain, Mr. Hamm is on line five for you." Capt. Oveur: "OK, give me Hamm on five, hold the Mayo." - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Subject: fegMusic Hey feggos, I wanted to let you know the "Fish Gloss" tracks are back online. They are now here: http://www.bitmine.net/~bayard/fish_gloss/ These are tracks by bands who are/were on the list or just dig Robyn. And as always, there's more, "coming soon......" Plus links so you can buy these albums. They're worth it. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: fegMusic - credit where due i was in a hurry to leave work and neglected to give huzzahs to both terrence marks, who conceived and originally compiled the Fish Gloss project, and also, as always, kindly host bitmine.net for the space (which i've been keeping an eye on, so as not to fill it up too much) So cheers, chaps! have a weekend, =b PS fegbands links here: http://glasshotel.net/gh/fegBands.htm On Fri, 4 May 2001, Bayard wrote: > Hey feggos, I wanted to let you know the "Fish Gloss" tracks are back > online. They are now here: > > http://www.bitmine.net/~bayard/fish_gloss/ > > These are tracks by bands who are/were on the list or just dig Robyn. > And as always, there's more, "coming soon......" > > Plus links so you can buy these albums. They're worth it. > > =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: Re: compilations spanghew, iirc. (gene, you're responsible for that one, where'd ya get it?) btw, how do you feel about alternate pronouciations like "lie-berry" and "feb-you-erry" getting added to dictionaries, as i hear they are? On Fri, 4 May 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > victorian squid wrote: > > > > p.s.- anyone remember the word "sphengew" (unsure of the spelling)? > > unless the spelling's very off, the combined lexicographical might of > Collins Dictionaries (well, some of it, anyway) reckons this word is a > hoax. > > Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) On Thu, 3 May 2001, brian nupp wrote: > >From: "Lilac Doorway" But can one copy a regular CD > >onto a CDR? you need a program called exact audio copy (EAC) - available at www.exactaudiocopy.de - it's "cardware", the author requests 1 postcard in payment. this program copies the sound files from the CD (which after all, is a disk with digital data on it) to your computer, from which you can burn your cd (or make mp3s.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the influenza of youth... dmw wrote: >>>What music did you listen to in childhood that, in your opinion, >>>directly influenced your taste for the sometimes fanciful, sometimes >>>dark music of Robyn Hitchock? > > okay, i've been sorta skimming, but did *no one* say "tom lehrer???" hey, i haven't had time to answer yet!! my brother, sister, father, and I used to drive my mom nuts singing along with some of the more macabre ones driving up to and around yosemite. something unsettling about hearing your 5-10 year old kids singing "I Hold Your Hand in Mine," or "Irish Ballad" that unsettled her a bit. and we needed something to cleanse our palattes after she played Captain & Tenille. and that horrible safety kids tape my sister would pick when it was her turn, just to spite me!! :) other than that Beatles blah blah blah Simon & Garfunkel blah blah blah Joan Baez blah blah blah. and allegedly when i was a baby, when i was really having trouble sleeping, side two of _are you experienced?_ was invaluable. and, literature wise, even though i don't recall much of the text being that surreal, the idea of a large red dog (clifford) warped me greatly. even named the dog (mutt: mostly fox terrier, with some dachschund and chihuahua in there) i was given for my 6th birthday Emily Elizabeth. but only because my mother wouldn't let me name her Clifford, and my sister couldn't properly pronounce Sherbet. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 00:35:32 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) on 5/4/01 9:10 PM, =b at bayard@shaft.bitmine.net wrote: >>> From: "Lilac Doorway" But can one copy a regular CD >>> onto a CDR? > > you need a program called exact audio copy (EAC) - available at > www.exactaudiocopy.de - it's "cardware", the author requests 1 postcard in > payment. this program copies the sound files from the CD (which after > all, is a disk with digital data on it) to your computer, from which you > can burn your cd (or make mp3s.) This process is not relegated to simply one piece of software. There are many programs, most of them downloadable, that can do this. For example, Adaptec (www.adaptec.com) makes some fine user-friendly programs that can digitally extract the song(s) that you want and allow you arrange them in whatever order you want, decide how many seconds, if any, you want between tracks, etc. and burn them to whatever form of CD-R media you choose. My program of choice is Adaptec's CD Toast. Almost too easy to use! Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:57:43 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Attn: /hal, others I'm trading with Apologies in advance for sending this out to the whole list. I experienced a massive computer crash yesterday on the workstation that holds all my personal email. I had made/was making arrangements for CDR trades with several feglist members. Anyone who had previously written me re: a trade/B&P arrangement of some sort, please touch base with me. Actually, if it's not inconvenient for you, you could just resend copies of our last couple of pieces of correspondence. Thanks for the bandwidth! Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 03:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Attn: /hal, others I'm trading with "Aaron L." wrote: > Apologies in advance for sending this out to the whole list. > > I experienced a massive computer crash yesterday on the workstation > that holds all my personal email. I had made/was making arrangements > for CDR trades with several feglist members. > > Anyone who had previously written me re: a trade/B&P arrangement of > some sort, please touch base with me. Actually, if it's not > inconvenient for you, you could just resend copies of our last couple > of pieces of correspondence. > > Thanks for the bandwidth! > Aaron my address is: 3461 Beard Rd. Fremont, CA 94555 ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:03:05 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: copying a cd (was: bob dylan's nose) >>>> From: "Lilac Doorway" But can one copy a regular CD >>>> onto a CDR? On Saturday, May 5, 2001, at 03:35 AM, Brett Cooper wrote: > This process is not relegated to simply one piece of software. There are > many programs, most of them downloadable, that can do this. For example, > Adaptec (www.adaptec.com) makes some fine user-friendly programs that can > digitally extract the song(s) that you want and allow you arrange them in > whatever order you want, decide how many seconds, if any, you want between > tracks, etc. and burn them to whatever form of CD-R media you choose. > > My program of choice is Adaptec's CD Toast. Almost too easy to use! Adaptec spun-off their digital media products into a company called Roxio (www.roxio.com). Toast is for Macs, the darkside version is Easy CD Creator. - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:30:17 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: pop culture press interview for what it's worth, the pop culture press interview with the soft boys has been reprinted on the web by insound at . the original is still at . woj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #180 ********************************