From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #175 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 10 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Victorian conceptions [Viv Lyon ] Re: Compiliation for Jill / In Support of Moss Elixer ["victorian squid" ] RE: Syd [Capuchin ] god save san francisco ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] the flamin' lips ["Natalie Jacobs" ] re: Floyd Movies [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Victorian conceptions [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: god save san francisco ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: Flaming Lips & DVD ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: Victorian conceptions [Stephen Mahoney ] Scary Robyn songs and weeds [Carole Reichstein ] XTC/words [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] storefont closed [/dev/woj ] Re: chain-pulling [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Shecky ["Russ Reynolds" ] demographics [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #174 ["Russ Reynolds" ] Big Walnuts [JH3 ] Re: brandon 2000's request [/dev/woj ] Re: Heroic Paradises [/dev/woj ] Re: demographics [Stephen Mahoney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Victorian conceptions On Wed, 2 May 2001, J. Brown wrote: > I think it may have more to do with Wells unsavory views on eugenics > than anything else. His views on eugneics could hardly be described as unsavory. Naive, perhaps. He wasn't a proponent of ethnic cleansing, but an advocate of using science to the best advantage of (all) human kind. _Eugenics_ itself can now be accurately described as "unsavory", but that's because of the likely side effects of eugenics, which were not popularly understood at the time Wells was expressing support of the idea. Wells' biggest problem wasn't his view on eugenics (hell, the basic idea of "optimising our gene pool" to promote health and intelligence sounds pretty good to me, too) but his panglossian view of science. Remember that he grew up in a cultural climate that was just barely coming to terms with the sciences. Up til the late 1880s, they taught very little of the natural sciences to children, preferring instead to cram their little heads full of latin and greek and theology. Wells gradually lost this rosy view of science, as is amply demonstrated in The World Set Free, in which he foresees the atom bomb and the total destruction of most major cities on the planet. In this book, the world simply isn't read for a new kind of technology, no matter how beneficially it can be used. It up-ends the economy, and war (made more violent by application of the technology, natch) ensues. Of course, he delightfully retains his panglossian view of humanity, which in the aftermath of the war sets about rebuilding the world instead of descending even further into chaos. Unfortunately, the events of his life convinced him that humanity was ultimately fucked, leading him to write A Mind at the End of its Tether. I think I shall wait until I'm in a slightly more optimistic mood before I read that. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:20:30 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Compiliation for Jill / In Support of Moss Elixer On Wed, 2 May 2001 09:26:00 Mike wells wrote: >Finally, why is Moss Elixer not appearing in more "Best of Robyn" lists, if >not topping them? We had a "Best Album Poll" recently? When? Seriously, I thought that (originally, anyway) we were supposed to be attempting to recommend what someone might want to get next based on what Brandon mentioned liking. None of my five favorite RH solo albums are actually ones I'd recommend as intros, so maybe that's part of why "my faves" and "good intro" are so distinctly different in my mind. But it might not be a bad idea to have a new Official fave album poll given that there are a lot of new listmembers since the last one. What say, fegs? loveonya, susan p.s. are you mike wells who went to u of c, played drums, and was at one time roommates with rob schrader? email me if so. I know you :) Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Syd On Wed, 2 May 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > No copies on Napster yet. They've got Syd Barrett filtered out, it > seems. I'll have to pick up one of the less nerfed music-trading > programs. Doesn't Napster allow you to connect to non-napster(TM) napster servers? Try any server running OpenNap. The organizations that run these servers are not necessarily bound by injunctions against Napster, Inc (though some systems do filter some things). My napster client (Gnapster) parses this list every time I start it up: and allows me to choose any of those servers or input my own by hand. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:30:24 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: god save san francisco I think that's what it says in the sleeve for Eye, though I haven't looked in a while. Has Robyn ever explained why? - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:35:33 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: the flamin' lips I saw the Lips right when "Jelly" was starting to make it big. (This was December of '92 - I remember because the Lips always played Detroit around the time of Christmas/Wayne's birthday.) The crowd was small - maybe about fifty people or so - and the combination of a bubble machine, Christmas lights, and the band's fucking amazing performance, held the audience (or me, at least) spellbound. Then they played "Jelly," and immediately this big ugly hippie dude started bounding around maniacally, bashing into people left and right, possibly in an attempt to "mosh." It kind of sucked. This was the best live show I ever saw, and led to a pleasantly awkward exchange with the Man of My Dreams (tm), Will Cullen Hart of the Olivia Tremor Control.... WCH: You came all the way from Ann Arbor to see us? Me: Yeah, I had to come, because you guys were the second best live band I ever saw! (Then, realizing how backhanded this sounded...) Uh, you and the Flaming Lips, um... WCH (chuckling at my discomfiture): That's OK. We can still be second best. n., fondly recalling Will's beautiful teeth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: re: Floyd Movies On Wed, 2 May 2001, victorian squid wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001 13:49:08 Poole, R. Edward wrote: > anyone) ever see their appearance on "Beverly Hills 90210"? They were > playing at "Peach Pit After Dark". All the 25 year old high school kids are arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! 90210 and the peach pit??????????????? the only peach pit I know of is known as the oregon country fair next thing you will be telling me that brittany spears and destinys child are going to carry on the dead show at the autzen stadium!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Victorian conceptions I remember taking a class called henry james and his circle. in the lectures our instructor mentioned james thinking of wells as more of a popular storyteller than a literary novelist concerned with challenging his readers. Since Wells was in his circle he must have been in one way or another insulted by james either in person or in a series of letters that they exchanged. I think wells wrote somthing in a mocking tone about henry james- can anyone help me out on the name of this novel? S-(who only was able to get through turn of the screw)Mahoney On Wed, 2 May 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, J. Brown wrote: > > > I think it may have more to do with Wells unsavory views on eugenics > > than anything else. > > His views on eugneics could hardly be described as unsavory. Naive, > perhaps. He wasn't a proponent of ethnic cleansing, but an advocate of > using science to the best advantage of (all) human kind. _Eugenics_ itself > can now be accurately described as "unsavory", but that's because of the > likely side effects of eugenics, which were not popularly understood at > the time Wells was expressing support of the idea. Wells' biggest problem > wasn't his view on eugenics (hell, the basic idea of "optimising our gene > pool" to promote health and intelligence sounds pretty good to me, too) > but his panglossian view of science. Remember that he grew up in a > cultural climate that was just barely coming to terms with the sciences. > Up til the late 1880s, they taught very little of the natural sciences to > children, preferring instead to cram their little heads full of latin and > greek and theology. > > Wells gradually lost this rosy view of science, as is amply demonstrated > in The World Set Free, in which he foresees the atom bomb and the total > destruction of most major cities on the planet. In this book, the world > simply isn't read for a new kind of technology, no matter how beneficially > it can be used. It up-ends the economy, and war (made more violent by > application of the technology, natch) ensues. Of course, he delightfully > retains his panglossian view of humanity, which in the aftermath of the > war sets about rebuilding the world instead of descending even further > into chaos. Unfortunately, the events of his life convinced him that > humanity was ultimately fucked, leading him to write A Mind at the End of > its Tether. I think I shall wait until I'm in a slightly more optimistic > mood before I read that. > > Vivien > Number of Floridian ex-cons denied the right to vote last November because of felony convictions : 525,000 Source: Brennan Center for Justice (N.Y.C.) Number of times a Floridian can be convicted of DUI before the infraction becomes a felony : 3 Source: Mothers Against Drunk Driving (Irving, Tex.) Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:00:34 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: god save san francisco >Has Robyn ever explained why? If I'm not mistaken it was recorded in S.F. They had that awful earthquake right before it was to come out (the one that postponed the World Series). I think it was a kind of dedication to the city. Max, who does not like EYE all that much _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:21:52 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Flaming Lips & DVD >on 5/2/01 1:11 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > >> Can someone explain to me how MPEG-2 video can be made to be either NTSC >> or PAL? > >Basically because of the encoding rate. DVD's created for NTSC systems are >encoded at 30fps while the ones created for PAL systems are encoded at >25fps. I guess that makes it easier for the hardware to decode into the >native display format (i.e., NTSC/60 and PAL/50). Also, NTSC DVD's are >encoded with Dolby Digital audio while PAL discs use MPEG-2 audio. > >- -t "I know how to look shit up" c > >This might explain it adequately: > >http://www.thedigitalbits.com/officialfaq.html#1.19 > >All I know for certain is that I specifically chose a player that supported >PAL/NTSC (I'm not confusing this with region) because I had a particular >disc I wanted to be able to play. That disc is marked PAL on the box, it >does play on my Apex, and it does not play on my friends' NTSC-only boxes. > Thanks mucho to all of you for the scoop on the DVD PAL poop, and for indirectly re-affirming my purchase of the Apex AD600A (which I bought for the region-defeatability and the MacroMedia turn-offability and the PCM stereo outputability). Still, I may get the US version, too - it just wasn't listed when I ordered the UK one. Drat. > >>along, and those of us who knew (and enjoyed) the rest of the songs were >>kinda freaked out. Always happens when the "underground" meets the popular. >>I didn't witness it first-hand, but I bet there are a bunch of you out there > >No, but I have a similar story about the Flaming Lips and "Jelly". Did you (or >anyone) ever see their appearance on "Beverly Hills 90210"? They were >playing at "Peach Pit After Dark". All the 25 year old high school kids are >just bopping along and David (the "hip hop dude") shares a profound insight: > "I don't like alternative, but I like these guys". Dude, I saw the Flaming Lips last year on Easter Sunday (!) - absolutely gorgeous, totally absorbing, transporting show, only I wish it'd been about twice as long. They did "She Don't Use Jelly" and Wayne even prefaced it with an explanation that they still played the song live because they still love the song. Can't get much simpler than that. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Victorian conceptions On Wed, 2 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > I remember taking a class called henry james > and his circle. in the lectures our instructor mentioned > james thinking of wells as more of a popular storyteller > than a literary novelist concerned with challenging his readers. > Since Wells was in his circle he must have been in one way or another > insulted by james either in person or in a series of letters that they > exchanged. I think wells wrote somthing in a mocking tone about henry > james- can anyone help me out on the name of this novel? from http://www.sbu.ac.uk/~stafflag/henryjames.html "Henry James developed a friendship with the science fiction writer and social reformer H. G. Wells (1866-1946). The friendship lasted until H. G. Wells savaged Henry James's approach to life in the novel Boon, (1915)." > > S-(who only was able to get through turn of the screw)Mahoney > > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 May 2001, J. Brown wrote: > > > > > I think it may have more to do with Wells unsavory views on eugenics > > > than anything else. > > > > His views on eugneics could hardly be described as unsavory. Naive, > > perhaps. He wasn't a proponent of ethnic cleansing, but an advocate of > > using science to the best advantage of (all) human kind. _Eugenics_ itself > > can now be accurately described as "unsavory", but that's because of the > > likely side effects of eugenics, which were not popularly understood at > > the time Wells was expressing support of the idea. Wells' biggest problem > > wasn't his view on eugenics (hell, the basic idea of "optimising our gene > > pool" to promote health and intelligence sounds pretty good to me, too) > > but his panglossian view of science. Remember that he grew up in a > > cultural climate that was just barely coming to terms with the sciences. > > Up til the late 1880s, they taught very little of the natural sciences to > > children, preferring instead to cram their little heads full of latin and > > greek and theology. > > > > Wells gradually lost this rosy view of science, as is amply demonstrated > > in The World Set Free, in which he foresees the atom bomb and the total > > destruction of most major cities on the planet. In this book, the world > > simply isn't read for a new kind of technology, no matter how beneficially > > it can be used. It up-ends the economy, and war (made more violent by > > application of the technology, natch) ensues. Of course, he delightfully > > retains his panglossian view of humanity, which in the aftermath of the > > war sets about rebuilding the world instead of descending even further > > into chaos. Unfortunately, the events of his life convinced him that > > humanity was ultimately fucked, leading him to write A Mind at the End of > > its Tether. I think I shall wait until I'm in a slightly more optimistic > > mood before I read that. > > > > Vivien > > > > > Number of Floridian ex-cons denied the right to vote last November because > of felony convictions : 525,000 > > Source: Brennan Center for Justice (N.Y.C.) > > Number of times a Floridian can be convicted of DUI before the infraction > becomes a felony : 3 > > Source: Mothers Against Drunk Driving (Irving, Tex.) > > > Stephen Mahoney > Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk > stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > 503-988-5396 > fax 503-988-5178 > Number of Floridian ex-cons denied the right to vote last November because of felony convictions : 525,000 Source: Brennan Center for Justice (N.Y.C.) Number of times a Floridian can be convicted of DUI before the infraction becomes a felony : 3 Source: Mothers Against Drunk Driving (Irving, Tex.) Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Scary Robyn songs and weeds "Scares you in the Dark Robyn song?" Easy. "Executioner" makes my skin crawl every time. As for weeds! My sisters and I spent our entire childhood pulling weeds. (My parents wanted us to develop a work ethic, they said years later.) We'd be eating our breakfast cereal in front of the TV on some Saturday morning, obliviously happy, and our father would summon us and say, "You three are going to pull WEEDS this afternoon!" "ARRRGHH!" we'd shriek. He might as well have sent us to the gulag. For a child, there's nothing more dull than pulling goddam weeds while all the OTHER kids in the neighborhood would be playing joyously (THEIR parents never made them do any chores, our parents liked to point out). Even worse would be when one of our friends would come to our door. "Can Karen and Carole play?" My Mom or Dad would smile evilly and say, "Nope! They're WEEDING the yard!!" So we'd be stuck out among the barkdust, pulling stupid weeds with hateful tears in our eyes, thinking "My parents are the meanest people in the whole world! I'm never going to have a garden! I never wanna pull weeds again! Waaah!" To amuse ourselves, we'd take a freshly pulled weed, turn it upside-down (so that it sorta looked like a hula dancer) and shake it while singing "Wooly Buly." For some reason, this caused us to go into hysterical laughter. Anyway, Kay, to answer your questions about how to prevent weeds. My parents tried burying sheets of plastic a few inches under the soil. This works well for landscaping plants with short roots, but I don't think this would work well for all types of situations. Ironically, I would love to have a yard/garden nowadays, and pulling weeds sounds like a pretty cool thing to do. The fresh scent of dirt always cheers me up. Funny how things change when you're a grownup, when you know what *real* work is! My parents also forced us to go "clamming," but that's another story altogether. This was my Dad's idea of a vacation (whereas our friends got to go to "real" vacation spots like Disneyland) Carole, who will someday write a book about her bizarre childhood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:31:18 -0700 From: "Renee Haggart" Subject: Re: the flamin' lips god how i love the flaming lips... RLH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:37:10 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: XTC/words >I liked the big express >but for chills nothing compares >to its a complicated game >from d&w there's a surprisingly good version of that song on a surprising album called "The Berlin tapes", by Iva Davies and Icehouse. Entirely covers by the band, of songs by XTC, Bowie, Talking Heads, the P Furs, Lou Reed, PIL, Killing Joke... >It didn't turn up in any dictionaries, but google did find some web mentions. >Best was www.funwords.com. Some very useful stuff there (really!). I >particularly like "esprit d'escalier" I always get this when I've just pressed 'send'. Useful words indeed! Just the sort of thing to say when talking with a pilgarlic while on the way to a wappenshaw, or while chatting with a waghalter at a punaluan. James now reading - Mrs Byrne's dictionary of unusual, obscure, and preposterous words now flying - Poland - two horizontal stripes, white over red. Dzien dobry! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:34:30 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: storefont closed did i loan a copy of the storefront hitchcock dvd to any of you? i can't find it anywhere.... woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:40:54 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: chain-pulling >For me, some clear "either I'm an idiot or he doesn't know, either" songs >are Tropical Flesh Mandala and Anglepoise Lamp. If any of you has broken >the code on those, please let me know. However, the Yip Song would >certainly belong to that category if I hadn't heard RH talking about his >father dying of cancer (actually, an old man) and how Vera Lynn was his >WWII obsession. Context is a useful tool, I often tell my students. agreed! We've had discussions on this list before where sopngs were over-analysed to death - and a load of fun it was, too. Has anyone ever sorted through them and dumped them on a website anywhere? It'd probably be well worthwhile. Context is very important when dealing with a writer as elliptical as Robyn - one example, "Filthy bird" has never sounded the same since reading it as being about the Balkans war. For me, it's improved the song, and it now makes perfect(ish) sense! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:41:29 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Shecky > if you love Robyn, check out a band called Shecky (and the > Pimp Monkeys)...You can find their debut release at Not Lame Records....It's > worth every penny!!! Cross between Robyn, XTC, Beatles, Jellyfish....... I'll vouch for this. Good CD, though I hear more Jellyfish than anything else... - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:02:51 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: demographics >>And BTW, this overwhelmingly over-educated, white, hetro >>LS needs all the diversity it can get--so thanks for being patient with us. > >Well, I'm over-educated (perhaps less so in relation to the >members of this list than in relation to the general population), >white, and at least 50% hetero, so not much patience is required. :) which brings up an interesting thought. I know we had the "are there any blacks in Oregon" thread a while back, but... how predominantly white, well-educated, and hetero is this list? I suspect that there are enough shades of gender and sexuality on this list to qualify as pretty mixed (and I'm not asking anyone to 'out' themselves here), but I get the feeling that the list is almost entirely white. I know we have one list member who is proud of his Amerind/First nation heritage, but that's it. Similarly I don't know how many of us went straight into the workforce from high school. As far as religion goes, we're a moderately mixed bunch of Christian, Jewish, Pagan, and Atheist with, as far as I know, no Moslems or other major religions. Anyone here who doesn't fit the stereotype and is prepared to stand up and be counted? (yeah, I know, anonymity is an advantage of the net, so if no-one speaks up, that's fine - we all know you're out there ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:06:02 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #174 GSS: > In 89 with RH, after a few other songs, stipe said "this is the stupidest > song ever written by a man" and went right into stand. Beautiful number. Could be why it was used as the theme song to the stupidest television show ever conceived by a man. (not that I didn't enjoy the show...OR the song, for that matter). - -rUss fave feghoot: the one about the beer that made Mel Famey walk us. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:06:23 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Big Walnuts From: Glen Uber : >The one song that falls into this category for me is "It's Not Just The >Size of A Walnut". Does anybody have any clue about that one? Well, the footprints in the flowerbed beneath the transom window where the murderer made his exit are clearly those of a heavy-set man with a distinct limp! Actually, that *is* one of the more troubling lyrics he's done, isn't it? I always assumed the title was an allusion to the common scientific assertion that the dinosaurs and/or the early hominids had brains "the size of a walnut." So maybe it just means that "this feeling I feel about you" goes beyond the brain and into the very soul/heart/ core-of-being, etc. etc. But that doesn't necessarily explain all the surf 'n' turf references, does it... John "brain only slightly larger than a filbert" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:07:01 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: brandon 2000's request when we last left our heroes, Michael R Godwin exclaimed: >And pay no attention to any claim that Fegmania is as good as Element of >Light. i've always said that _element of light_ is the best egyptians record while _fegmania!_ is my favorite. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:09:42 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: Heroic Paradises when we last left our heroes, Lilac Doorway exclaimed: >At least once haven't we done a poll here of the 10 best Hitchcock songs? Is >it enshrined somewhere besides the archive? i enshrined the last poll (1996) at http://www.fegmania.org/poll96.html a long time ago. >Kay, reasking her -does anyone know an eco-friendly way to get rid of weeds, >cause they sure come back real fast question;-) we used to pour boiling water on the weeds in the sidewalk cracks. i think it worked but it was a long time ago. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: demographics I dont want to assume anything but it seems that this is white boy cracker music if ever i heard it even if the sb does get down and mess wit th booty! On Thu, 3 May 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >>And BTW, this overwhelmingly over-educated, white, hetro > >>LS needs all the diversity it can get--so thanks for being patient with us. > > > >Well, I'm over-educated (perhaps less so in relation to the > >members of this list than in relation to the general population), > >white, and at least 50% hetero, so not much patience is required. :) > > which brings up an interesting thought. I know we had the "are there any > blacks in Oregon" thread a while back, but... how predominantly white, > well-educated, and hetero is this list? I suspect that there are enough > shades of gender and sexuality on this list to qualify as pretty mixed (and > I'm not asking anyone to 'out' themselves here), but I get the feeling that > the list is almost entirely white. I know we have one list member who is > proud of his Amerind/First nation heritage, but that's it. Similarly I > don't know how many of us went straight into the workforce from high > school. As far as religion goes, we're a moderately mixed bunch of > Christian, Jewish, Pagan, and Atheist with, as far as I know, no Moslems or > other major religions. Anyone here who doesn't fit the stereotype and is > prepared to stand up and be counted? (yeah, I know, anonymity is an > advantage of the net, so if no-one speaks up, that's fine - we all know > you're out there ;) > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") > Number of Floridian ex-cons denied the right to vote last November because of felony convictions : 525,000 Source: Brennan Center for Justice (N.Y.C.) Number of times a Floridian can be convicted of DUI before the infraction becomes a felony : 3 Source: Mothers Against Drunk Driving (Irving, Tex.) Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #175 ********************************