From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #173 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 10 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- let there be more grass ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #172 [Traveling Riverside Blues ] Re: let there be more grass [HAL ] WAVE vs. AIFF [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re:Scary Hitchcock (not Alfred)0 ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: mayday!MAYDAY!!!! [GlamMonst@aol.com] thanks and kids [Jill Brand ] Re: thanks and kids [Glen Uber ] RE: thanks and kids ["Larry Tucker" ] Compiliation for Jill / In Support of Moss Elixer ["Mike wells" ] Wonderful day in the fegborhood ["Lilac Doorway" ] Victorian Squid (Three different ones) [The Great Quail ] Re: Feg dream! and other stuff [The Great Quail ] Re: Victorian Squid (Three different ones) [Christopher Gross ] Re: chain-pulling [Glen Uber ] RE: Audiophiles -- AIFF vs. WAV [Chris Bedford ] Re: Victorian Squid ["J. Brown" ] RE: Floyd movies... ["Poole, R. Edward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:15:08 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: let there be more grass > Which book? I remember a book as a teenager called "A Childs Garden > of Grass". It was great - a companion for any burgenoing pothead. > Anyone ever heard of that or know if still exists - I searched for it > a few years back with no luck. Don't remember the author or publisher > (Gee, I wonder why???). We've still got a copy of the LP of the same name at the radio station. Hilarious. I'm constantly pulling bits off it for various production pieces. >>From: Viv Lyon > and let there be more darkness from invisible hitchcock >> > is pretty eerie as well >> > love the part when the mom call him down for supper! >> >>This always reminds me of Time Bandits. > > Wow! Me too! me three. Of course the kid's name IS Kevin... This song always cracks me up. Though having once locked myself in a closet when I was very small I can't say it isn't also scary. BTW, ISTR Robyn saying he recorded that at a friends house while house sitting...found the backing track on an 8 track and ad libbed the monologue over it. > Max: We should get the policeman to go to Daddy's work. > > Me: Why? > > Max: Because they stop mean people from doing bad things to people. The kid's a natural born problem solver. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:09:11 -0700 From: Traveling Riverside Blues Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #172 At 11:41 PM -0400 5/1/01, fegmaniax-digest wrote: >My daughter(age 10) had me download Limp Biskuets "Rolling " [snip] >Seconded. What would you tell my 5-year-old, who asked a month ago "why >are [snip] >In fact "Arms of Love" was our wedding song (you know the song where >just the bride and groom dance and then everyone eventually joins in). Wait a minute... you're all... [shudder] ADULTS!! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:19:04 -0700 From: Traveling Riverside Blues Subject: Limp Bizkit At 11:41 PM -0400 5/1/01, Brian Huddell wrote: >Kay, lyrics for Rollin' here: > >http://www.procent.hg.pl/llimphotdog.htm#14 > Ugh. In the words of Roger Waters, "This is the crap/our children are learning." Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:15:25 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: let there be more grass > >> let there be more darkness from invisible hitchcock > >> > is pretty eerie as well > >> > love the part when the mom call him down for supper! > >>This always reminds me of Time Bandits. > > Wow! Me too! > me three. Of course the kid's name IS Kevin... The "KEVIN!!" sequence in "Let There Be More Darkness" has always reminded me of that Ray Bradbury short story "The Veldt" (contained in "The Illustrated Man") where a kid's room turns into the wilds of Africa. [What about the movie version of The Illustrated Man?! I love it when Rod Steiger keeps screaming, "They are NOT tattoos...they are SKIN ILLUSTRATIONS!!" Of course, the quintessential Steiger performance is in "The Pawnbroker": "TWO DOLLARS!!" But I digress...] /hal now burning: soft boys cd-r's ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:44:11 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: WAVE vs. AIFF > So any audiophiles, or others who can help me out I > would appreciate it. > > I have a MAC and a PC. I was wondering what the > difference (if any) is between AIFF and WAV formats. > Is one superior to the other? Does Bill gates own it > all too? Hi! They're the same format; the only difference AFAIK is in the headers. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:01:56 -0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re:Scary Hitchcock (not Alfred)0 >From: "Russ Reynolds" >Reply-To: "Russ Reynolds" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re:Scary Hitchcock (not Alfred)0 >Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:47:41 -0700 > >Michael Wolfe: > >>scares you when you turn the lights off Robyn > > > > No yet has filled this category to my satisfaction, but it's a > > great challenge, and I think that Robyn has done some stuff that > > fits. > >Have you checked out the words to St. Petersburg? How 'bout Strange? They >are the closest thing to scary ALFRED Hitchcock you'll find. In one, >you've >got a killer admiring a dead body as it sways on a meat hook, in the other >you've got a necropheliac who keeps his dead girlfriend in a freezer. >Both >are also very sinister *sounding* tunes. I stand by my picks in this >category. > >Pit Of Souls could be spooky with the lights off, especially if you've >eaten >the brown acid... > >-rUss > >np: Way To Blue _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:26:20 EDT From: GlamMonst@aol.com Subject: Re: mayday!MAYDAY!!!! BLACK SNAKE DIAMOND ROLL!!!.......my first .....and it hooked me! By the way Hitchcock fans...if you love Robyn, check out a band called Shecky (and the Pimp Monkeys)...You can find their debut release at Not Lame Records....It's worth every penny!!! Cross between Robyn, XTC, Beatles, Jellyfish....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: thanks and kids First of all, thanks for all the great suggestions for my compilation tape. I had thought of many of them already, but some hit me with a big "OF COURSE"! Keep it coming! I won't work on the tape till the weekend. As for kids and music, shit, I feel really, really lucky, but it might be at the expense of my kids. My son is 12 and my daughter is 9. He loves the Kinks, the Buzzcocks, Blur, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, the Four Seasons, Gilbert and Sullivan,and now Robyn (I had withheld Robyn on purpose, but after seeing the Soft Boys, well, the dam broke). My daughter loves the Kinks, the Beatles, and Leslie Gore ("It's My Party"). Now all she wants to do is hear I Wanna Destroy You because she knows it was recently dedicated to George W. Bush (thank God we live in Massachusetts). Neither of them wants anything to do with Britney Spears or Eminem or anything remotely popular. However, it makes them outsiders to a certain extent. And of course, the natural response from a feg or a kinkster is "Well, isn't that exactly what we were/are?" And the answer is "yes." So on the one hand, I'm ecstatic that they have taste/are different, but on the other, I feel that theirs will be a long adolescence. Since they both play guitar, maybe they will start something of their own, and maybe other kids will join them. Oh yeah, but my son loves "Hit Me Baby One More Time"...as done by Travis. Jill, whose wedding preceded Underwater Moonlight (22 years ago yesterday) and was attended by 5 people (including the happy couple and the judge) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:17:07 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: thanks and kids on 5/2/01 5:35 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > Oh yeah, but my son loves "Hit Me Baby One More Time"...as done by Travis. Have you heard the Ahmet & Dweezil Zappa version of this song? Outstanding! I believe it appeared on the _Ready To Rumble_ soundtrack. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:20:57 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: thanks and kids |Oh yeah, but my son loves "Hit Me Baby One More Time"...as |done by Travis. The one by the Fountains of Wayne isn't bad either. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:26:00 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Compiliation for Jill / In Support of Moss Elixer Re: your compiliation post, FYI I just ripped a new collection for my sister-in-law who until now, through little fault of her own, has been restricted to the "Uncorrected Personality Traits (UPT)" release. Since EOL is pretty well represented on UPT and I didn't have EYE with me at the time, I elected to make the disc without using anything from either of these two albums (danger: report of flimsy rationalization in progress). I tend to think like your "4 different Robyn's" post when making CD's, and in this instance tried to get a decent representative sampling of RH's other work for a non-feg. Here's how it turned out: =============== Trams of Old London The Devil's Radio Do Policemen Sing? I Am Not Me Kingdom of Love (SB) The Banana Boat Song Tropical Flesh Mandala Sally Was a Legend No, I Don't Remember Guildford The Man Who Invented Himself 1974 Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl Queen of Eyes (SB) Meat The Cars She Used to Drive (Hen Out) Mind is Connected (SB Chicago 3-30 recording) Underwater Moonlight (SB Chicago 3-30 recording) Mexican God Sounds Great When You're Dead You & Oblivion Raymond Chandler Evening (demo) ====================== Yes, I know the last ones' from the EOL bonus tracks, but somehow I couldn't resist. Finally, why is Moss Elixer not appearing in more "Best of Robyn" lists, if not topping them? For me it may be the most cohesive release he's done, and with the exception of DeChirico Street (or however you spell it) the whole thing is perfect. Michael "I once pointed to Sweden with my pinky" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:46:07 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: Feg dream! and other stuff I dreamed last night that I went into this cavernous, mostly-empty auditorium where The Great Quail and Steven Soderbergh were sitting on stage on folding chairs, discussing one of Soderbergh's films. All around me, people were muttering, "The *Great Quail*?" in bemused tones. Later on, the Quail was slipping out through the back door when I waved to him over the back of my seat, shouting, "Quail!" He waved back, but I wasn't sure if he recognized me or not. Then my high school friend Kim showed up (the guy who turned me on to Tom Waits and the Velvet Underground when I was fifteen), and said he was going out for a smoke. Somehow, we ended up in this decrepit bar full of guys with mullets, that sold only root beer. Anyway... At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, I don't ever find Robyn scary. I do find him *creepy,* which is a little different. Scary is being attacked by an axe murderer; creepy is finding a giant slug in your shoe. Jim Woodring, Robyn, and Jeff Mangum are some of the creepiest artists I can think of. The only song that's ever really scared me was "Another Brick in the Wall (Part Two)," because when I was a kid, I was watching Siskel & Ebert and they showed that bit from the movie where the faceless kids are falling into the meat grinder. That scared the living shit out of me and I was unable to listen to the song for many years after. "Eye" was the second or third Robyn album I ever bought (after "Queen Elvis" and possibly "Globe of Frogs"). I was about seventeen at the time. "Cynthia Mask" was one of my favorite tracks and I still think it's great. I didn't understand some of the other songs back then, because I was a mere callow youth and I wasn't bitter enough. Now, however... n. "What kind of evil, soulless person hates Of Montreal??" - the drummer from my band _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:57:22 -0000 From: "Lilac Doorway" Subject: Wonderful day in the fegborhood First of all, sorry for double posting. TRB posted: >I've always considered >Eye to be a second-rate rehash of I Often Dream Of Trains. I like >"Satellite", and "Cynthia Mask" is pretty good, but other than those >that >album doesn't do a thing for me that IODOT doesn't do better. I love alot on Eye but for me there are some dead tracks. IODOT is one of the most perfect albums ever made(IMHO), everything works. Its abit of a miracle. Now heres my bit of heresy-- I hate, hate "Clean Steve." Its Baub's "5 Believers" without the Band to fill it up. It just goes on and on and on. And if we're talking good songs on GD I dont think anyone has mentioned"Rain." And by the way Mike, not only you but Susan and I also like "Midnight Fish"... so bad its good. And Ed. And Drew. Drew: >I always thought "Let There Be More Darkness" was a total scream. Agreed. Its one of those definitive bits bout human nature which is funny cause its so true, and so true cause its so funny. And BTW, this overwhelmingly over-educated, white, hetro LS needs all the diversity it can get--so thanks for being patient with us. Me, then Bayard: >>much bout sexual content, its violence, the dissing of woman, that sort of >>thing, which I attempt to filter or at least interpret and help her put >>into >>context. >can you put it into context for ME? why do people like this stuff so >much? Cause its seen as "cool" and many people are so insecure that they need to feel "cool", even thou "cool" demeans them? Cause it caters to our sensations and allows us to deny our emotions?--giving us a cheap, quick and we think painless thrill? Cause most people dont want to acknowledge the sort of complexity which comes into play when someone like Robyn works with these themes? Cause some people are just assholes;-)? I dont know, its abit of a mystery to me. Thanks for not calling me a facist:-) Ed, awwwwwww. I love cute kid stories. Stephen and Viv: >>and let there be more darkness from invisible hitchcock >>is pretty eerie as well >>love the part when the mom call him down for supper! >This always reminds me of Time Bandits. Right, the kids name in both is Kevin. Great, so besides the general Robyn/MP overlap, my favorite musician and one of my favorite movies intersect. Nice. Yudt: >"Arms of Love" was our wedding song Melt. Taken with Ed's kid story, today seems a good day for melt. >the other was "Some Kinda Love" by the Velvets. Double melt with velvet thrown in. Must have been a great wedding. >In college, my girlfriend spent >a few months in a Pittsburgh psych unit for eating disorders. She >missed all of our favorite music, so I made her a tape. _Eaten by >her >Own Dinner_ started off side two. Poor taste, I know. But I HAD to >do it.. Yeah, sometimes you do just have to;-) Brian--youre going in my quote book: "Daddy, what does 'bitch' mean?" "Well, son, it's a word men use when they're either afraid of women or ashamed of their penises." Is it my imagination or is this just a great day on Fegmania? Everyone is saying such wonderful stuff. Thanx ya'll for being so ... sane:-) >I would prefer for my young one to remain focused on joy for as long >as possible. Even at 10 my daughter still has a sweetness to her Im in no hurry to damage. Joy at any age is the secret of life. >we keep a pretty tight grip on the Children's Tylenol. Just dont let him mix it with Coca-cola;-) Uber--another great wedding story. Bayard, J Press Clothiers is a preppier than prep men's store in NY and Boston--all Madras jackets, Nantucket red pants and belts with whales on them. James, now your garden is starting to sound out of a Robyn song, my imagination wrapping itself round some of those names and coming up with pictures of dark curling tendrils and magenta-warted swollen chartruse pods, with a gorilla or two hanging around for the bursting orange fruit. And I agree that Cynthia Mask as a great song. Haunting, stange and full of longing. >the verse starting "I'll reach your lungs" is one of the >most chillingly evocative images Robyn has ever come up with. Yes, so so agreed, and then the way the song's ending chorus dosnt resolve like the first two times but does a different set of harmonies. Your ear expects to hear the same thing, but instead it hears what it had heard as memory with other notes overlayed, expanding it. On some weird inarticulate level I think music means something, the patterns it arranges in our brains are analogies to the patterns we experience in life. And somehow Robyns use of music here perfectly fits with the words. I can get a chill up my neck from this song. Thank you RTB for the lyrics of "Sea Shell and Stone" Yes, and Polly on the Shore. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:35:29 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Floyd movies... > Mike Godwin: > >Incidentally, the film [Zabriskie Point] is a load of hippie tripe. On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Eb wrote: > Oh, but you gotta stick around for the surreal desert orgy, and the > oooooh-trippy explosion montage at the end. ;) A couple of people have made this point. Maybe they could release it as a 20-minute short? To tell the truth, I prefer that surfing movie where they use "Echoes" as the soundtrack. "Crystal Voyager", I think it's called (not to be confused with the evil Jim Henson film featuring all the filthy birds). > I can't be sure that it's still in print (Rhino takes stuff out of print > quicker than any label on Earth), but Rhino Records released a two-disc > version of the soundtrack a few years ago...including rare Floyd tracks. Interesting - I must try to get hold of that. > You only saw early Pink Floyd in a pub *once*? Jeez, can we kick this > poseur off the list for that? ;) Sorrrry! It was just an odd little memory. I didn't even see the whole gig as the place was so crowded that I had a force 6 asthma attack and had to go home. My other major 'asthma gig' was the Mothers first UK appearance at the Albert Hall, where I managed to hang on until the finish... But seriously, I was reading that interesting Rick Sanders Floyd bio (goes up as far as 'Wish you were here') and he said that the early Floyd had real difficulty in finding places to play. The "underground" loved them, but they were booed off in standard dance-halls where people wanted to hear 'Knock on wood' type stuff; their first US tour in late 67 had to be cut short because everybody hated them. I suppose that was before the college circuits had been established. - - Mike 'Serevent' Godwin PS Has anyone heard that 'Bob Dylan's blues' yet? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:38:42 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Victorian Squid (Three different ones) While browsing through the last five-thousand Fegmails, it seems someone, or a few people, have tagged "Victorian Squid" as one of Robyn's more humorous songs. I have to disagree -- I love VS, and I don't think it's really humorous in the same way as, say, "Gene Hackman." In fact, think VS one of his better songs, and one of his most effective extended sea-creature metaphors. Seeing him perform it live -- he usually makes it more intense than the album version -- always gives me chills. Using "squid" as a metaphor for sex conjures up so many dark, sticky and moist associations, it perfectly embodies the repression theme of the song. Let's face it, squid are kind of creepy and weird to look at (sorry Chris), but also disturbingly sexual, what with the mucus, the briny smell, the jets of ink, the sucking associations, and of course the semi-rigid phallic shape conjoined to a fleshy, inner "floral" shape. It very nicely captures the feeling of subconscious horror -- almost approaching the instinctual disgust associated with first seeing a deformity -- with which some Victorians (reportedly) viewed sex. And the whole song itself has such a rolling, almost cheerfully sinister feel to it, until towards the end, when it gets downright mysterious and haunting: "Every night / our voices meet / in dark-ness..." I love that line -- it is so beautiful, so evocative, the lovers concealed by night, their voices merging, but they themselves still not quite ready to let their growing eroticism overflow the boundaries of the flesh. And of course the finale, which builds to a great climax, piling sexual metaphor upon sexual metaphor until the final line nails it dead-on, the feeling of secrecy and shame triumphantly highlighted and yet almost bitterly celebrated by the ejaculation of the word "squid." In fact, the things I like about VS are the same elements I enjoy about Robyn's best work. I think his best music grapples with elements of the general human subconscious by cloaking them in symbols pulled from his own abstract -- but consistent -- personal mythology. These songs are delivered from an aloof, vaguely alien viewpoint, as if Robyn was merely an impartial observer. (I dislike moralizing in my music, which Robyn generally avoids.) And finally, the songs are delivered with a certain sardonic cheer, a black humor, allowing him to almost joyfully celebrate the negative and chaotic sides of life. ("Only the Stones Remain" is an excellent example, too.) I also think this is the reason Robyn will never be more popular and accessible -- you either grok his personal mythology, or you don't. I for one do grok it -- in fact, no other songwriter "speaks" to me on a more personal level. I have a feeling most of you understand what I am saying here.... Oh, and "Victorian Squid" mentions H.G. Wells -- as with Vivien, he's one of my favorite writers, too! - --Edwardian Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com A book is more than a verbal structure or series of verbal structures; it is the dialogue it establishes with its reader and the intonation it imposes upon his voice and the changing and durable images it leaves in his memory. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships. --J.L. Borges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: chain-pulling For me, some clear "either I'm an idiot or he doesn't know, either" songs are Tropical Flesh Mandala and Anglepoise Lamp. If any of you has broken the code on those, please let me know. However, the Yip Song would certainly belong to that category if I hadn't heard RH talking about his father dying of cancer (actually, an old man) and how Vera Lynn was his WWII obsession. Context is a useful tool, I often tell my students. And for my tape, most of the hauntingly beautiful will come from I Often Dream..., but Raymond Chandler Evening (part of which I sang to my students yesterday) and Railway Shoes will also be there. Jill, re-evaluating Globe of Frogs (when it was released, I got all pissy because I felt that Balloon Man was a sell-out) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:52:07 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Feg dream! and other stuff Gnat, >I dreamed last night that I went into this cavernous, mostly-empty >auditorium where The Great Quail and Steven Soderbergh were sitting >on stage on folding chairs, discussing one of Soderbergh's films. >All around me, people were muttering, "The *Great Quail*?" in >bemused tones. Later on, the Quail was slipping out through the >back door when I waved to him over the back of my seat, shouting, >"Quail!" He waved back, but I wasn't sure if he recognized me or >not. Of course I recognized you! Silly. - --The Great "Spielbergo" Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Victorian Squid (Three different ones) On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > Let's face it, squid are kind of creepy and weird to look > at (sorry Chris), Don't be sorry -- that's exactly *why* I like them! In fact they're more than just weird, they're alien, almost as if they came from a different evolutionary stream. They're neat. I knew some people in college who made a giant squid in a snow-sculpture contest, only to have everyone think it was a giant penis. At least, they claimed it was a squid.... (Quail, were you involved?) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:05:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Victorian Squid On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > Oh, and "Victorian Squid" mentions H.G. Wells -- as with Vivien, he's > one of my favorite writers, too! Well, I'm in the Wells fanclub too. It's odd how his 'literary' reputation has sunk so far - I think it may be part of the lit crit "science fiction is not literature" vendetta. What are your views, Quail? You know about lit crit. Incidentally, VS always reminds me of Michael Moorcock's dynamite "Dancers at the End of Time" where Jherek Carnelian travels back to Victorian times and starts chatting up a [heavens!] married woman!!! - - Mike Godwin n.p. "Rang Dang Doo", Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: chain-pulling On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jill Brand wrote: >For me, some clear "either I'm an idiot or he doesn't know, either" songs >are Tropical Flesh Mandala and Anglepoise Lamp. If any of you has broken >the code on those, please let me know. However, the Yip Song would >certainly belong to that category if I hadn't heard RH talking about his >father dying of cancer (actually, an old man) and how Vera Lynn was his >WWII obsession. Context is a useful tool, I often tell my students. The one song that falls into this category for me is "It's Not Just The Size of A Walnut". Does anybody have any clue about that one? Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:37:46 -0700 From: Chris Bedford Subject: RE: Audiophiles -- AIFF vs. WAV AIFF (Audio Interchange File Format) is Apple's digital audio sound capture and editing format. AIFF is used by both Macs and SGIs. WAV is a joint effort by Microsoft and IBM, and was supplied with Windows 95, making it the standard for PCs. Both are based on the PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) codec, and should provide similar "listen-ability." You don't write what your ultimate purpose is: encoding your own sound files, downloading music files, etc. Unless you have a specific purpose in mind, I'd base the selection on which computer you want to use. I don't come across AIFF file much anymore; probably because the landscape is dominated by Windows and thus WAV. If you want to learn more, take a look at: http://www.mp3handbook.com/12.htm Hope this is the information you were seeking. Cheers, Chris "Sticks and stones may break my bones but hollow points expand on impact." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Victorian Squid On Wed, 2 May 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > > Oh, and "Victorian Squid" mentions H.G. Wells -- as with Vivien, he's > > one of my favorite writers, too! > > Well, I'm in the Wells fanclub too. It's odd how his 'literary' reputation > has sunk so far - I think it may be part of the lit crit "science fiction > is not literature" vendetta. What are your views, Quail? You know about > lit crit. I think it may have more to do with Wells unsavory views on eugenics than anything else. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Put your faith in death because it's free" -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:49:08 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Floyd movies... Michael Godwin but seriouslied: >I was reading that interesting Rick Sanders Floyd bio (goes >up as far as 'Wish you were here') and he said that the early Floyd had >real difficulty in finding places to play. The "underground" loved them, >but they were booed off in standard dance-halls where people wanted to >hear 'Knock on wood' type stuff; their first US tour in late 67 had to >be cut short because everybody hated them. I suppose that was before the >college circuits had been established. In many ways, very little has changed. In '67, the regular folks wanted to see "Arnold Layne," or "See Emily Play," i.e., the songs they had heard on the radio, and instead got 20 minute versions of Astronomy & Interstellar... I remember seeing Flaming Lips back in 1993 or so, and the whole crowd was mystified and bored to tears by their (excellent) set, until they announced "here's the song you love that we hate to play" and did "She Don't Use Jelly." (in case you have forgotten, that was their one minor "hit" beyond the college radio fringe). The crowd suddenly was animated and singing along, and those of us who knew (and enjoyed) the rest of the songs were kinda freaked out. Always happens when the "underground" meets the popular. I didn't witness it first-hand, but I bet there are a bunch of you out there who could tell similar stories about "Balloon Man"-only fans showing up at Egyptians gigs... - -ed p.s. the 67 US tour also had to be "cut short" because of Syd's increasingly catatonic state, chronicled in the legendarily mute appearances on American Bandstand and The Pat Boone Show (!) ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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