From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #161 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: accidents will happen ["Randy R." ] Re: pedestrian accidents [Christopher Gross ] Re: Violence? [Capuchin ] RE: pedestrian accidents ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Mind is Connected lyrics mkII ["Maximilian Lang" ] nuts [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Mind is Connected lyrics mkII [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Beatles? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: "Goodbye" [Ben ] Texas Tea [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Texas Tea [Viv Lyon ] Re: Texas Tea [Terrence Marks ] Re: Texas Tea [Capuchin ] Re: Texas Tea [Viv Lyon ] Re: Beatles? [Eb ] RE: Beatles ["da9ve stovall" ] accidents ["Melissa ." ] Re: Beatles? [HAL ] RE: Texas Tea ["Brian Huddell" ] yobabyyobabyyo ["victorian squid" ] Re: accidents ["Michael R. Runion" ] Re: Texas Tea [Terrence Marks ] Goodbye, You Won't See Me [Eric Loehr ] Re: Agreeing and Disagreeing Simultaneously 101 [steve ] Re: Beatles? [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:23:43 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: accidents will happen From: Viv Lyon > My friend Laura was killed by a car while riding her bike in DC. The > person had parked and, failing to check for bikes, flung their car door > open in her path. It knocked her into traffic. Amazingly enough, I've never been *doored* but I've come very very close many times. I ride my bike to and from work and have been doing so for years. It makes sense on many levels and keeps me in semi-decent shape. Or, at least, balances out some not-so-good habits I may have. To go even further I've taken up camping on my bicycle, investing some $ in paniers, lightweight tent and sleeping bag, and assorted other small items (including a collapsable fishing pole) to make these comfortable trips. ( and for you "unbelievers", I've made room for my camcorder in hopes of yet another UFO sighting ) It's doubtful that any sort of arrangement could be made to transport my drum kit on my bicycle so I've kept my van which remains parked in front of my building 99.99999% percent of the time. And as far as these last few days of posts------I love 'em, but I think a lot of violence is entertaining, and even funny at times...........BTW, anyone see that video of the guy that was hit by a javalin at some track and field event? Now THAT's entertainment. Mandatory Geddy Lee content: http://www.ratemymullet.com/show.php?id=7 Rawk (or bike) on, Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: pedestrian accidents On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Melissa Higuchi wrote: > Ok I can't find the original post that I was responding to but it makes lots > of sense to me to that DC would have so many fatalities. > > The commuters here are nuts, the traffic is horrible and we also have lots of > tourists and those pesky circles. Another factor would be our taxi drivers, who are psychotic. I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet that a disproportionately large number of those pedestrian fatalities were caused by taxis. When I first moved here I was wary of cars with diplomatic plates, thinking that diplomatic immunity might make them careless, but they turned out to be no different from anyone else. It's the cabbies who are dangerous. If you're in DC and you see a car making a left turn from the right lane at twice the speed limit while the light is yellow, you can bet it will have "[Something] Taxi Service" written on the side. And it seems like almost all of our taxi drivers belong to an obscure Muslim sect that forbids the use of turn signals. Perhaps it's the movie "DC Cab" that's to blame. - --Chris "The only person who can make me happy...is me. Although seeing two cabbies fight over the air hose at the gas station put a smile on my face." --Karen, a local acquaintance of mine ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Violence? On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben wrote: > Attention Feg-archivists - did this post break the record for the > longest one ever? If not, what was the longest post to the list? Oh, no way. I once wrote a post that was so long, I decided to break it up into three parts because I thought majordomo would reject it for being too long. Two of the three parts were rejected for being too long. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:02:22 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: pedestrian accidents >Another factor would be our taxi drivers, who are psychotic. I agree they can't drive, but after living in Chicago (and spending enough time in NYC), I was shocked to find that DC cabbies drive so sloooooowly. Maybe it has something to do with the lack of meters, I dunno, but DC cabbies have got to be the least rushed, plodding drivers this side of granny-on-her-way-to-church. That doesn't mean they are safe, of course. In their defense, however, where else can you take a ride in a car owned by "The Red Sea Taxi Company"? I love the diversity of cab companies around here; sure beats the monopoly on taxis you find in most cities. Are most of you bored by this DC-specific thread by now? C'mon, Derosa, Bayard . . . how safe do you find DC for bikers & cabbies? - -ed np: PJ Harvey, "Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea" (thanks Mel!) p.s. Outlook's spellchecker wants me to change "Bayard" to "Boyardee." he he he. I may do so in the future. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:41:02 -0700 From: Traveling Riverside Blues Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #159 At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, fegmaniax-digest wrote: >From: Stephen Mahoney >Subject: Re: UNPLUGGED? wuzzz: sound gear on public transit > >you can always just play "un-plugged" on the trains >they do allow that in the uptight ol u s of a, dont they? Don't know about local lines but on Amtrak the official policy is "no instruments at all", although in reality you are completely at the mercy of the conductor's whim... I have jammed the blues with the conductor on the Southwestern Chief line (although he didn't want to share my whiskey, thankfully, I suppose), and I have been told in the rudest way possible by a conductor on the California Zephyr that to softly strum my acoustic guitar in an empty lounge car at two in the morning was forbidden. When I complained at the ticketing office they basically told me that on the train, the conductor is God and there's nothing you can do. Heading for paradise, or Basingstoke, or Redding, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:24:08 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Thoth leads by 8 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > There are places where humans just don't belong. I agree with the statement but think we probably disagree on some of the specifics. Where do you believe we should not live, visit, pass through or whatever. GsS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:34:44 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: nuts >Btw, what is the definition of a "nutter", and why was Nick Lowe "nutted by >reality"? a nutter = a loony, a psycho, someone with a screw loose, someone with the lift not going to the top floor, with the lights on and no-one home, with kangaroos in the top paddock, with the motor running but not in gear, etc etc etc To be nutted is to be hit on the nut - i.e., the head - whapped over the napper, as the Goons would have said. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:34:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Mind is Connected lyrics mkII >"The butler emerges from the hole > With a TRAIL of diamonds..." > >The "butler" is a "guide" reacting to a key / trigger / activator of something >that is popping up from your subconcious. I think this works with the whole >'connected to your dreams' premise...the 'skull' of Africa feels to me like a >metaphor for older or "original" man, an older version of yourself or even the >persistance of cultural memory (I haven't got the "horn of Florida" part >worked out yet ;-p). oh come ON... can't you see the sexual imagery in that line? Do I really need to explain? Does the word 'withdrawal' help? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:34:30 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Beatles? >Interestingly (or perhaps not), the you-know-what has records >of Robyn doing 28 Beatles covers, but not a single McCartney >solo number. (Three John Lennon tunes, though.) Just for the >hell of it I appended the list to the end of this here message. even more interesting is the proportion of those songs that are predominantly written by John, compared with those predominantly written by Paul - even George is up there on that list! >BEATLES: J: >Across the Universe >All You Need Is Love >Baby You're a Rich Man >Dear Prudence >Doctor Robert >Don't Let Me Down >Hey Bulldog >I'll Get You >One After 909 >Rain >Revolution Number One >She Said She Said >Strawberry Fields Forever >Yer Blues >You Can't Do That >That Boy[1] >Eight Days A Week [2] >A Day in the Life [2] P: >Get Back >Hey Jude >I Saw Her Standing There >You Won't See Me >I've Got a Feeling [2] G: >Blue Jay Way >Here Comes the Sun >Old Brown Shoe >Only a Northern Song >Within You, Without You other: >Twist and Shout [3] >Brown Paper Bag [4] notes: [1] If you mean "This boy", that is [2] all have strong input from both Lennon and McCartney - listed by principal writer [3] Russell and Medley - previously an Isley Brothers song and originally, IIRC, by the Top Notes. [4] ??? that ain't no Beatles toon... >Also, back when Sgt. Pepper was about to be released, Brian Epstein was >supposed to have suggested that copies of the album be distributed in >brown paper bags -- sort of like XTC's "Black Sea," only that was a green >paper bag. wasn't "In through the out door" or some other Led Zep album distributed that way? >The song Robyn was supposedly going to record for the McCartney >hoax-tribute was called "Goodbye," a "previously unreleased" track. >I wouldn't hold my breath, but you just never know! Goodbye was released by McCartney after the Beatles split up. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:42:13 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: "Goodbye" > The song Robyn was supposedly going to record for the McCartney > hoax-tribute was called "Goodbye," a "previously unreleased" track. > I wouldn't hold my breath, but you just never know! That is a real song you can find on some Beatles bootlegs, but it is not really unreleased becasue it's one of those songs they gave to another artist, this time Mary Hopkin. The recording I have heard sounds like a McCartney demo, just vocal and fingerstyle acoustic guitar. The song is similar to "Blackbird". I've never heard of "Brown Paper Bag" though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Texas Tea >Well, the point is we're going to have to move to these methods >of transportation sooner or later. Right now, the world's oil >resources will last us (at current usage, I believe) about 50 >years, give or take a decade or so. Actually, I've heard wildly varying numbers on when we will *run out* of oil. They vary based on what assumptions you make about what kinds of extractions you can do and still remain "profitable." But the "run out" date isn't even the important date. The important date is the date when the rate at which we *consume* oil exceeds the rate at which we can *extract* it. After *that* date, someone doesn't get his or her oil, it's as simple as that. We pretty much burn it as we dig it up -- there isn't much of an oil "reserve" to speak of -- so, plain and simple, no matter how much money you want to pay, someone's not going to get their oil. And as time goes on, the folks who simply just don't get their oil is going to constitute a larger and larger percentage of the population. This date is very close. The time frame is on the order of ten years or so, give or take a few. It's going to be very interesting times to live in. - -Michael Wolfe, hoping chain lube remains available for a while yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Texas Tea On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Michael Wolfe wrote: > This date is very close. The time frame is on the order of ten > years or so, give or take a few. It's going to be very > interesting times to live in. You got that right. If nothing else, at least it'll be downright _fascinating_ to watch us little monkeys work this one out. > -Michael Wolfe, hoping chain lube remains available for a while yet. Maybe you can switch to Astroglide. That's water-based, right? Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Texas Tea On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Michael Wolfe wrote: > >Well, the point is we're going to have to move to these methods > >of transportation sooner or later. Right now, the world's oil > >resources will last us (at current usage, I believe) about 50 > >years, give or take a decade or so. > > Actually, I've heard wildly varying numbers on when we will *run > out* of oil. They vary based on what assumptions you make about > what kinds of extractions you can do and still remain > "profitable." There's 30 years of known oil reserves. There's been 30 years of known oil for the last few decades. Oil companies generally stop exploring for a while when there's a large available reserve. It's also of note that the Alberta tar sands contain mindbogglingly huge amounts of oil. It's a reserve equal or exceeding that of Arabia. The only thing is that it's currently expensive to process, and that Arabian oil is very cheap. The current question isn't "Will we run out of oil". It's "Will we run out of oil at a certain price". Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Texas Tea On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > The current question isn't "Will we run out of oil". It's "Will we > run out of oil at a certain price". "Will we run out of oil?" is certainly not a sensible question. Clearly we're going to run out of oil, at current consumption rates. It's absurd to think otherwise. Geological forces simply do not work at the rate of our consumption. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Texas Tea On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > There's 30 years of known oil reserves. There's been 30 years of known > oil for the last few decades. Oil companies generally stop exploring for > a while when there's a large available reserve. There is a finite amount of oil on the planet. We are using it MUCH faster than it is being "created"- which we all know takes millions of years. We will run out. > The current question isn't "Will we run out of oil". It's "Will we run > out of oil at a certain price". Actually, the real question is "will the cost of extracting it become prohibitively expensive?" My guess is that, until it actually becomes more expensive to extract oil than to switch to alternative sources of energy, we'll keep on going like we are now. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:35:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Beatles? James "Guttermouth" Dignan: >wasn't "In through the out door" distributed that way [in a bag]? Yes. And with several different album covers, too. I believe I saw a VH1 special which said Zeppelin had a rare contract which gave them complete control over their album artwork, and thus they were free to stick Atlantic with the costs for extravagant, expensive-to-print sleeves like Led Zeppelin III, Physical Graffiti and In Through the Out Door. This also explains the potentially self-destructive move of presenting an untitled, uncredited album jacket (Led Zeppelin IV). >Goodbye was released by McCartney after the Beatles split up. Are you sure? When was that? (I was really disappointed that "Goodbye" wasn't included on one of the Beatles anthology sets. It seems like *the* overlooked rarity to me.) Amy Correia's vocal performance on Conan was especially hoarse and raspy...she seemed a bit worn-out, sorry to say. Hey, speaking of volatile comic-strip artists, I read something today which said the L.A. Times (and some other newspapers) have dropped "B.C." due to the artist's unsubtle religious (possibly anti-semitic?) agenda. I haven't read the strip in ages -- have you comic enthusiasts been aware of this motif in his work? This was news to me. Eb, who'll get around to some J Mascis comments at some point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:36:21 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Beatles >The song Robyn was supposedly going to record for the >McCartney hoax-tribute was called "Goodbye," a "previously >unreleased" track. I wouldn't hold my breath, but you just >never know! Well, Macca did write a song called "Goodbye" for his sorta-protege Mary Hopkin, which was released as a single and was a hit. I've got a version or two of McCartney performing demo versions. Chipper little ditty. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:49:09 -0000 From: "Melissa ." Subject: accidents aaagh. After all that I almost opened a car door in front of a bicyclist in Clarendon today. Fortunately they had slowed and my friend saw them first. I suck. I promise to be more careful. it's just that I'm not used to being in a car much. cabs, diplomatic plates, city buses, drivers with cell phones definitely never step in front of these things in DC Melissa (who is up to two accidents with cars) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:05:22 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Beatles? > >Goodbye was released by McCartney after the Beatles split up. The McCartney version (a demo for Mary Hopkin) remains unreleased (officially). It's widely circulated on bootlegs. Maybe it'll come out on the forthcoming Wings Anthology ("Wingspan", I think...)? > (I was really disappointed that "Goodbye" > wasn't included on one of the Beatles anthology sets. It seems like *the* > overlooked rarity to me.) But, it's not a Beatles track. Hence, the omission. A more interesting rarity is McCartney's run-through of "Suicide", a song he wrote for Frank Sinatra (and which was soundly rejected by the Chairman). > Amy Correia's vocal performance on Conan [yadda] *yawn* What's Rupert doing? :-| > I read something today which > said the L.A. Times (and some other newspapers) have dropped "B.C." due to > the artist's unsubtle religious (possibly anti-semitic?) agenda. I haven't > read the strip in ages -- have you comic enthusiasts been aware of this > motif in his work? This was news to me. Since you asked nicely (enthusiasts!) - Here's the strip itself: http://www.creators.com/images/1/20010415.gif And, here's Johnny Hart's response to the controversy: http://www.creators.com/comics/JHStatement2.php4 /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:06:17 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Texas Tea > Maybe you can switch to Astroglide. That's water-based, right? > > Vivien Pantyless skirts-up bicycle tricks, exercise equipment induced orgasms, and now water-based lubricants. Sincere thanks to Vivien and lj for reminding me why I love fegmaniax. It's the sex! +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:27:24 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: yobabyyobabyyo On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:24:55 brian nupp wrote: >My girlfriend lives in Chicago 1 block away from the big Puerto Rican Flag >on Division Street near Western. That neighborhood is VERY scary. Wow, how interesting, that's where those two incidents (and many more) happened. I think the rapid gentrification that's taken place in that neighborhood in the past ten years really has put some bad feeling behind that stuff that doesn't have to be there. When I lived in not as growing-pained Logan Square, I still got whistled and yo-babyed, but it didn't usually have the same threatening edge and was even downright good-natured some of the time. Guys out cruising on Saturday nights yelled and whistled at every passing woman that wasn't obviously a grandma. It was a lot more funny than scary. And strangely sweet. It was pretty clear from the way they gave more or less equal attention to all females under 80 that they felt it would be insulting NOT to hoot and holler :). As an added bonus no one there ever tried to follow me home, an almost weekly occurrence in Wicker Park. OTOH, a blonde and busty co-worker of Doug's who lived a few blocks from us had it happen to her a few times. All in all tho I did feel much safer in Logan Square. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:43:10 -0400 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Re: accidents So, I guess I'm the only feggish one that actually run over and killed a bicyclist? Actually, it was someone on an ATV. Long time ago...not my fault though (not that that makes it okay or anything) Mike R. (who doesn't own a bike...he's bikeless Mike) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Texas Tea On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: > > The current question isn't "Will we run out of oil". It's "Will we > > run out of oil at a certain price". > > "Will we run out of oil?" is certainly not a sensible question. > > Clearly we're going to run out of oil, at current consumption rates. It's > absurd to think otherwise. Which assumes we'll keep up current consumption rates for the next century or two. We're not going to run out of oil in the immediate future. We're not going to run out of oil in the forseeable future. There may, some time in a few hundred years, be no more oil left. By which time, if our descendents have not discovered another viable fuel source, I have rather little sympathy for them. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:08:04 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Goodbye, You Won't See Me At 04:35 PM 4/26/01 -0700, Eb wrote: >James "Guttermouth" Dignan: >>Goodbye was released by McCartney after the Beatles split up. > >Are you sure? When was that? (I was really disappointed that "Goodbye" >wasn't included on one of the Beatles anthology sets. It seems like *the* >overlooked rarity to me.) Sorry, James -- I'm pretty sure that McCartney's version of Goodbye remains unreleased (officially, anyway). Continuing in a similar vein(s) of the queen Story of Bungalow Bill: I don't think that JHcubed's list of Beatles stuff that RH has done included You Won't See Me, which he definitely did during his encore (with the Dear Janes) at the March '97 Iron Horse show. I'm pretty sure that I've got at least one other recording from that tour where he (they) also plays it. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:22:47 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Agreeing and Disagreeing Simultaneously 101 On Wednesday, April 25, 2001, at 01:37 PM, JH3 wrote: > The problem with the rest of what you're saying is that population > growth is a product of culture and basic human behavior as much > as (if not more than) economics. My personal (though arguable & > unsubstantiated) belief is that economics only affects birthrate to > the extent that it *changes culture.* Improved living conditions > don't necessarily cause you to stop having babies; you have to > *want* to stop having them because your values are based on > the idea that having more than one (or better yet, zero) offspring > is a bad thing, and that it doesn't mean you're "less of a man" or > "failing to realize your full potential as a woman" or not "serving > God" (sorry, "YHWH") properly. I dunno John, pretty much every study I've seen/heard of shows that, in general, an enhanced standard of living leads to smaller family size. And I'm pretty sure this is true across various cultures. Of course, there are isolated contra-examples, but those tend to be in situations where tight social control is exercised by authoritarian "governments" or religious institutions. - - Steve __________ Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown! - Darph Bobo http://www.trippingtherift.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: riding the digest bike without underpants >>Oh, one more amazing fact about this story >>(that I probably shouldn't mention): >>I WASN'T WEARING UNDERPANTS!!! after reading through the mad blur of digests in the past few days, in one fell swoop LJ makes me realize it was worth the effort. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:04:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Beatles? on 4/26/01 4:35 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Hey, speaking of volatile comic-strip artists, I read something today which > said the L.A. Times (and some other newspapers) have dropped "B.C." due to > the artist's unsubtle religious (possibly anti-semitic?) agenda. I haven't > read the strip in ages -- have you comic enthusiasts been aware of this > motif in his work? This was news to me. Oh yeah. I haven't read that strip in years for precisely that reason. Once I was old enough to understand what the terms "Religious Propaganda" and "Misogyny" meant, I soon realized that strip embodied both. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Beatles? On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, HAL wrote: > > I read something today which > > said the L.A. Times (and some other newspapers) have dropped "B.C." due to > > the artist's unsubtle religious (possibly anti-semitic?) agenda. I haven't > > read the strip in ages -- have you comic enthusiasts been aware of this > > motif in his work? This was news to me. > > Since you asked nicely (enthusiasts!) - > > Here's the strip itself: > > http://www.creators.com/images/1/20010415.gif > > And, here's Johnny Hart's response to the controversy: > > http://www.creators.com/comics/JHStatement2.php4 I read the comics now and again... And B.C. has been overtly Christian, unsubtle and unreadable for many years now. I'm surprised it took this to get it pulled. Honestly, I think it wasn't pulled sooner out of fear of prosecution. It's one thing to pull a strip that's unfunny. It's another to pull a strip that's unfunny and the writer can claim there was a religiously biased decision. Just go back and read the week or two before the strip Hal sent. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #161 ********************************