From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #159 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: UNPLUGGED? wuzzz: sound gear on public transit [Stephen Mahoney ] Beatles? [Mike Swedene ] Re: Beatles? [JH3 ] Re: Violence? [Eb ] Wow! ["Marc Holden" ] Critical Mass: the current scholarly view [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Ghost Threads, Take 2 or biking thru ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: some things [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Beatles? ["brian nupp" ] Re: Robyn played baritone? [Michael R Godwin ] some things and some more things [dmw ] Re: Violence? [lj lindhurst ] some digests ["ross taylor" ] Ken E. Dee (more) ["brian nupp" ] Ghost Threads, take 3 ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: sound gear on public transit [Christopher Gross ] Re: some things and some more things [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: let's go ride a bike [lj lindhurst ] RE: Ghost Threads, take 3 ["Brian Huddell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: UNPLUGGED? wuzzz: sound gear on public transit you can always just play "un-plugged" on the trains they do allow that in the uptight ol u s of a, dont they? when I was in paris (so what if I was only there for 7 days out of my whole damned life, how many times does one get to say that!) some people would play on the metro trains some werent that good, but it was a fun adventure to have someone all of a sudden come out of nowhere and start singing volare or some such ilk ......however those who played in the tunnels on the way to the stations were quite good! NADER IN 2004!!!!! On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > > ...I wasn't really asking whether they _allowed_ such things, though I'm > > interested to know the answer to that as well. > > > > I was more asking whether such things were practical. I'm understanding > > you to say that they are, though I'm at a loss to imagine how this works > > (I'm assuming you have a number of friends helping you do it). > > well, it's not especially easy, but i go it alone. i can put an amp on a > luggage cart, sometime bungee-cording something else to it, and i can > carry two guitars for distances of a few blocks (i live downtown and we > mostly play downtown) and at least a mile or so if i can get away with > only one guitar. it's sort of my version of weight training. my rack unit > has wheels and a handle, and i can bungee-cord more stuff to that, and > carry some stuff besides -- it all depends on what kind of gig i'm doing > and what equipment i have to bring. > > if i have to move the whole PA -- mains & monitors and mic stands and > everything -- no, i can't do it w/o a car. and i usually need to cadge a > ride *home* from whatever i'm doing, because after about 9:30 pm i > wouldn't carry my stuff home on foot from the train station on a bet. the > old drummer in shoddy workmanship didn't have a car either, if we were > sharing a drum kit with another band he'd bring cymbals/snare/etc. on > foot. once you get a kick drum and a floor tom involved, well, that's > really not an option -- we had to use the bass player's car. > > it's damned hard to play electric rock music and be thoughtful of the > environment. i would love to do better. suggestions welcome (other than > quit, which is untenable, i'm afraid). > > -- d. > > - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos > - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing > - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews > - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music > "THE CATS ARE HUNGRY...RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Alone, only a harmless pet... One thousand strong, They become a man-eating machine!" - -ad for THE NIGHT OF A THOUSAND CATS, 1972. Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:05:55 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: let's go ride a bike On Wednesday, April 25, 2001, at 06:32 PM, Viv Lyon wrote: > You mean, if the Green Party and the non-DLC part of the Democratic party > could get together, right? The Naderites and the Gore people are never > going to get together. But if they stop thinking of themselves as > supporters of one person or another and start thinking of themselves as > people with similar goals, maybe then there's a little hope. Greens plus non-DLC Dems equal less than 50 percent of the voting public. And you have to be very lucky, or have a strong third party run, to win an election with those numbers. It does happen, but it's nothing you can count on. - - Steve __________ Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown! - Darph Bobo http://www.trippingtherift.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Beatles? Any word on the song Robyn did for the McCartney (or Beatles) tribute album thingie? I remember reading something about it a while back... Herbie np - Talking HEads "Remain in Light" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:04:34 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Beatles? >Any word on the song Robyn did for the McCartney (or >Beatles) tribute album thingie? I remember reading >something about it a while back... A hoax, I'm afraid. Too bad, really... the idea of XTC doing a version of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" with John Cleese doing the spoken bit in the middle *really* appealed to me... Interestingly (or perhaps not), the you-know-what has records of Robyn doing 28 Beatles covers, but not a single McCartney solo number. (Three John Lennon tunes, though.) Just for the hell of it I appended the list to the end of this here message. John "haven't had a dirty thing all day" Hedges - -------------------- BEATLES: Across the Universe All You Need Is Love Baby You're a Rich Man Blue Jay Way Brown Paper Bag A Day in the Life Dear Prudence Doctor Robert Don't Let Me Down Eight Days A Week Get Back Here Comes the Sun Hey Bulldog Hey Jude I Saw Her Standing There I'll Get You I've Got a Feeling Old Brown Shoe One After 909 Only a Northern Song Rain Revolution Number One She Said She Said Strawberry Fields Forever That Boy Twist and Shout Within You, Without You Yer Blues You Can't Do That You Won't See Me LENNON: Cold Turkey Isolation Steel and Glass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:11:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Violence? >Attention Feg-archivists - did this post break the record for the longest >one ever? If not, what was the longest post to the list? It's up there, but I'm not sure it's the biggest. However, since I'm one of the prolific posters, perhaps I should volunteer that *my* longest post ever was 16K, which is nowhere near Jeme's formidable 25K. ;) >BEATLES [songs played by Robyn]: >Brown Paper Bag Um...huh? Eb, freshly back from J Mascis, and anticipating Amy C.'s TV performance within about 15 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:18:46 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Wow! What a great year for concerts so far--saw the Soft Boys 6 times, Dan Bern twice, the Psychedelic Furs, and I just got back from seeing Iggy Pop this evening, for the first time. I've wanted to see him for the longest time, and it fucking rawked. I hung around afterward, and he signed a couple of album covers for me. Very nice guy. (no photo with him, nothing rubbed off on me, and I'm probably still just trash and a loser...) After the Residents show in May, I don't have any more concerts to look forward to seeing on my calendar yet. Wonder what Robyn will be up to after playing Europe with the Soft Boys... Later, Marc I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed psychiatrist is our "friend." ---Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:01:50 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Critical Mass: the current scholarly view Interestingly enough, a striking, erudite metaphor, which I feel applies to the discussion of the Critical Mass annual ride, appeared in my favorite scholarly publication just yesterday. The viewpoints expressed therein seem to mirror those posited here uncannily. http://www.theonion.com/onion3715/gay_pride_parade.html dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:46:15 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: some things dmw wrote: > > i am no > fan of 128K MP3s, and i wish there was something more tangible and with > fewer compression artifacts available hey, don't tar all 128Kbit/s MP3s with the same brush -- too many folks are using the awful Xing encoder. A recent version of Lame, using the '-h' quality flag, will sound much better; it won't be artifact-free, but it won't have that horrible burbling that's Xing's signature. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:01:44 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Ghost Threads, Take 2 or biking thru Spring Cherry wrote: > > Now, if I could just figure out how to -use- 21 gears and remember to press > down on the back wheel brake first ... that's no way to stop a bike. The front brake's the one that does the work. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:05:41 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: You can interrupt my banana any time Tom Clark wrote: > > Did he hand the CD back and say "Happy Listening"? no, he said the banana thing, AFAIR. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bristol Hi Paul I think I've managed to get out of going to my wife's works social on Friday night. Are you still up for it? - - Mike Godwin On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Paul Vallis wrote: > I was at the Bristol gig too, but forgot a pen to note the set list! > If anyone else if up for going to the Oxford gig from this area then I would > love to go along. I've been to the Zodiac once before (to see Robyn a > couple of years ago), and its a pretty good venue. > I don't have a car but there is an outside chance I might be able to borrow > one. > Any takers? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:11:21 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: some things On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > Andy (Shernoff, Dictators, etc. on bass) > (Ivan) Julian (Richard Hell, Shriekback, Matthew Sweet, etc. on guitar) > Robyn Hitchcock (guitar and vocals) > (Chris) Thomas (procol harum, etc. on drums) > > okay the last one is lame. i cna't figure out how to do a search for > "drummers named thomas." I think Pete Thomas from the Attractions is the name you're after. - - Mike Godwin "To me, quantity IS quality" - Top Ten, the Dictators ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:17:00 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Beatles? I thought someone posted earlier (woj?) that they had talked with Matthew and he said that they did record that Paul song. I could be wrong though. Nuporoma _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:30:19 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Robyn played baritone? On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Bayard Catron wrote: > They sometimes switched instruments, at least in the Egyptians days (on > listening to the higsons and.... tell me about your drugs, i think?) maybe > this was an early example of that. where was the link to this photo? > morris played guitar on higsons, andy played drums and robyn bass. They did this on TMAYD on the first Robyn gig I ever saw: Egyptians, Glastonbury Festival 1986. I think it's the same version which is on the back of the 12" of 'If you were a priest'. Robyn shouts "Tell me Morris" and Morris plays very fast rhythm guitar for the break. - - Mike Godwin PS I forgot to rave about Morris's harmony vocals at Bristol: Morris's harmony vocals - wow! PPS Really pissed off to hear that 'Astronomy Domine' was setlisted for Bristol and then dropped for lack of strings - bah! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: some things and some more things On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > > Andy (Shernoff, Dictators, etc. on bass) > > (Ivan) Julian (Richard Hell, Shriekback, Matthew Sweet, etc. on guitar) > > Robyn Hitchcock (guitar and vocals) > > (Chris) Thomas (procol harum, etc. on drums) > > > > okay the last one is lame. i cna't figure out how to do a search for > > "drummers named thomas." > > I think Pete Thomas from the Attractions is the name you're after. Oh much better, thanks. And sorry about the double-post ... I used the dread s*bscribe word near the top of the post, which i figured out the majrdomo filter had caught, but then somehow the original got approved anyway. oops. i was thinking last night about any number of things political/bicycle (hey, is there a difference?), but as i was dropping off to sleep last night it occurred to me that i liked this list a lot more when people on it were offering to buy each other sushi and seemed to, i dunno, *like* each other, because we all had something musical in common. so this is me trying to get through a whole message with nothing divisive, inflammatory or rude in it. - -- d. np miles davis _seven steps to heaven_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:50:46 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Violence? > (Yes, that was condescention. Thanks for >noticing.) If you're going to CONDESCEND, then please do learn how to spell: con7de7scen7sion (knd-snshn) Sorry-! Couldn't resist this opportunity to be a wise ass. L "Jamal Greenberg the Hasidic Homeboy" J - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:05:38 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: some digests >From: dmw -- >what about >Andy (Shernoff, Dictators, etc. on bass) >(Ivan) Julian (Richard Hell, Shriekback, >Matthew Sweet, etc. on guitar) >Robyn Hitchcock (guitar and vocals) >(Chris) Thomas (procol harum, etc. on drums) You mean Chris Thomas, their producer at AIR Studios who later produced the Sex Pistols? Or were you thinking of Chris Copping & this is just a chance for me to show how finely tuned my Procol Alarm is? also dmw-- >i think we dwell too much on killers (in news and entertainment media, as >well as on mailing lists). i think there's an essential fallacy in the >subtext that there is something "there" to "understand," some kind of key >to the way the killers mind works. there isn't -- on the one hand there >are chemical imbalances, and on the other hand there are fewer differences >than most of us would be comfortable admitting (me, i have genetic >material, in part, from a monster, so i had to deal with it head on). From my own knowledge of the range of behaviour within an extended family I concur, this is profoundly true. >i haven't operated a motor vehicle in nearly three years (the last time i >did so was to participate in aids ride, when amtrak plans became >untenable) but i live in an urban area, and still have made an awful lot >of accommodations to manage that (and cadged a lot of rides, for me and >assorted musical equipment and pa gear). That's pretty high flyin', it was finally getting in a band that made me break down and *get* a car. Stephen Mahoney-- >as a ped I have had my fair share of near death exp. with those careless >driving folk I recall in the 80s DC had the highest pedestrian fatality rate of any city that kept such stats (which may not be many). "The Pedestrian" by Ray Bradbury was the 1st sci-fi story I ever read, and I just read it to my daughter. Teach your children ... theyarenotlong@hotmail.com-- >If you could go back in time with today's tech, and you recorded Robert >Johnson(the third Bob?), what would it sound like? Would the lyrics be >clearer or was that his voice? I think it would be clearer, but who knows what he would do. Supposedly he prefered Vaudeville & Broadway show tunes, just did blues because the Man thought there was a market for Race Records. Long live pop! Kay & Kovar-- >>Unfortunately, part of the same attraction I have for >>Robyn H and his ability to tap into madness yet stay sane also makes >me >>fascinated by sick folks like Lennon's killer and the Columbine boys. >Funny, I dont see them as the same. At all. Robyn experiences things within, >no one is effected but him. These sickies choose to externalize it and >great harm is done. "We've got a lot of nutters in power I'd give my life for a gun and an hour I'd shoot them all down in the streets" Why, Mr. Hitchcock!! Well, the nutters in question (1981) were threatening to end all history for immediate political ends ... K-- >By the way, has any one ever read Simone >Weil's essay on force? I think I need to go and find it again. Its right up >this alley but was written around WWII. Sounds interesting. Then there's also William Carlos Williams' short story "The Use of Force" about a doctor needing to examine a very sick but very recalcitrant child. Sorry, but for these digests I've only responded to Librarians or people who mention Procol Harum. Ross Taylor My Life is in Digest Mode Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:10:08 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Ken E. Dee (more) It seems the f*ck up on the Mr. Kennedy mp3 (from the members only downloads,) has made me really appreciate the song more. The song jams on for over 8 minutes, but the mp3 cuts off around 5. I keep going back and listening, the bass is constant, the drums get some great rhythms going (really fantastic!) and it really lets the guitars do what ever! I never thought this before, but it jams very psychedelic like Astromony Domine in some places. I can't wait till they fix the mp3 so I can have the full sound board version! I know many of you can do without the jams, but I really hope they keep it for the album version! When and if they do one that is. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:37:04 -0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Ghost Threads, take 3 Digests 146-148 About the unfortunate violence thread--jftr, Welker and Quail expressed my views better than I can. Speaking of violence, this has been, in some ways, a more violent thread than I enjoy. I felt something was going wrong as soon as I read the advice to Chris,--that he take his head out of his ass. Most of us dont like this stuff. Alot of the people who dont like it are also too intimidated by it to say anything. But Im an assertive New Yorker by birth and think somebody needs to say it.(But ... if because Im behind on digests this has already been said, well, errr, ...nevermind;-) We are here by choice, united by a common sensibility. If we respect that sensibility then we should respect it in each other. Meaning we should be civil. Insults are best done off-list. On-list-make your point but don't call names. Interesting Fegs may resign because they are sick of all the hostile posting. Thereby lessening the diversity and fun of this list. I like the diversity and fun of this list. No, no one appointed me Queen and I apologize if my own tone is less than dulcet. Im just reading digest after bloody digest after even bloodier digest of this stuff. I like serious discussion, there have been bits Ive thought very informative. This is a list of extremelly intelligent people with interesting and unusual tastes and opinions which I enjoy learning about. I will now step off my soap-box and return to my usuall bad attitude self;-) Ahhh, that feels better Kay Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: sound gear on public transit I have dropped the political debate (this is NOT a challenge to goad me into resuming it!), but I'd still like to say a few words in praise of the humble bus. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I actually hate driving and I really love trains (though I despise buses > with all my soul). I used to feel the same way, but in recent years I've come to a belated appreciation of buses. They may clog the roads and current models belch diesel exhaust, but they also have a number of unique advantages. A bus system is cheaper to set up than a rail/subway system, making them affordable for poorer communities. Since bus routes and stops are cheaper than train tracks, tunnels and stations, they can have more frequent stops, routes can be easily changed as populations shift, and you can have bus stops in areas of low population density where a train stop wouldn't be practical. In densely populated areas buses can play a vital role connecting people to rail stations; in many small towns and low-density suburbs, buses may be the *only* viable form of public transportation. So while you might not *like* them, please spare a kind thought for our friend the bus! There was a good article in Scientific American a few years ago, about a city in Brazil where city planning relies heavily on an extensive bus system; it should be of interest to both the most craven moderate reformer and the most foolish Ecotopian idealist. Rabinovitch, Jonas and Leitman, Josef, "Urban Planning in Curitiba," Scientific American, v.274:no.3, March 1996. (It's too old for the full text to be available on their website, alas.) - --Chris frequent bus rider, 1998-2000 ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:50:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Beatles? on 4/25/01 11:04 PM, JH3 at jh3@winco.net wrote: > Interestingly (or perhaps not), the you-know-what has records > of Robyn doing 28 Beatles covers, but not a single McCartney > solo number. (Three John Lennon tunes, though.) Just for the > hell of it I appended the list to the end of this here message. > Hey, does that you-know-what have a list of Dylan covers? I think Robyn does Dylan better than Dylan does. I'd love to see a whole show of devoted to his Bawb-ness. - -tc Yeah, yeah, I know about the "Albert Hall" gig. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: some things and some more things On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > > np miles davis _seven steps to heaven_ > wasnt that the first set of recordings to include tony williams? now thats a drummmer!!!!! "THE CATS ARE HUNGRY...RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Alone, only a harmless pet... One thousand strong, They become a man-eating machine!" - -ad for THE NIGHT OF A THOUSAND CATS, 1972. Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:00:19 -0400 From: "pat welker" Subject: Re: let's go ride a bike When we were a goofy kids, my pals and I would sit at the end of my parents driveway with lawn chairs. Now as I remember, we would just sit there for hours at a time talking about things like the weather and the neighborhood girls and such. There wasn't a whole lot of traffic as we lived on a dead end road with a neighborhood that had only one road leading into it. Our lives were pretty cool. One day while on summer vacation, we were kicking back groovin' to the beat of a laid back suburban block. When on our right from up the road, our road was a hill, came a couple of girls on bikes. We hadn't seen these girls before. Well as they passed we gave them our obliging wave. Making them feel wanted. The kind folk we are out here in the 'burbs. We returned to our usual routine of debating what kind of clouds those were that were over us or something like that. Suddenly we heard one of the girls scream. Just as quickly as we could turn to see what was going on. The girl had flipped over her handle bars. She hit that pavement hard. Now we weren't the only people out that day. The area was crawling with activity. People out enjoying themselves. As this poor girl flipped and hit the pavement. Our initial response was to stand up and give her a round of applause. Cheering was normal to us. Whenever me or my buds got hurt, everyone would cheer him or her on. Broken bones, knocked out teeth, gashes needing stitches. It was all fair game. We weren't mean people. Never were criminals. Never robbed, never got into fights. We weren't mean. But as we were cheering this poor soul on, something was definitely wrong. She wasn't moving at all. Not on bit. Not even a sound. This wasn't good. Needless to say, the cheering stopped. Others in the area ran out into the street to see if she was ok. And someone called an ambulance. The ambulance came, they hauled her away. Never did see her move or hear a sound out of her after her unfortunate incident. Nor did we find out who she was. Oh well. You can ride a bike if you like. I prefer my GMC truck. Even at $2 a gallon, I'm still able cruise without burning a hole in my wallet. Leaving me plenty of loot to lose through bad bets on the links. Have no idea why I mentioned this story. The Subject just reminded me of it I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:02:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: some digests on 4/26/01 8:05 AM, ross taylor at protay2@eudoramail.com wrote: > "We've got a lot of nutters in power > I'd give my life for a gun and an hour > I'd shoot them all down in the streets" Is this an alternate version, or a paraphrasing? I've always heard it: "We've got a bunch of crippled loonies in power < That wanna treat us to a nuclear shower > I'd give my life for just a gun and an hour I'd murder them out in the streets" Btw, what is the definition of a "nutter", and why was Nick Lowe "nutted by reality"? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:32:29 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: let's go ride a bike Good story! I like the way you write... So now I will share one. I used to work at a magazine here in Brooklyn called _Brooklyn Bridge Magazine_. It was about a mile from my apartment, so I would ride my bicycle to work. But because this was a bigtime professional job, I had to somewhat dress the part, so I would oftentimes find myself riding my bike with a long skirt on. On one such occasion, I was wearing a big long Indian patchwork skirt, and riding my bike through the Puerto Rican section of our neighborhood. No offense to any Puerto Rican fegs (???)(as if!), but as any woman who walks the streets in New York can attest, they are the most likely men to hoot, stare, whistle, or make crude sexual remarks as you go by. It's just the way it is. So, as I'm riding past this street, there's a big group of Puerto Rican men sitting outside of a bodega playing dominoes. At that very moment, my skirt got caught up in my front wheel, and I flipped head-first over the handlebars of my bike. Miraculously, as if the hand of God had come up behind me and given me a little scoop, I managed to flip completely over and land STANDING UP, with my bike tangled up in my skirt between my legs. This was one of the most amazing things that has ever happened to me, and to this day I cannot explain how it happened. So anyway, all the guys sitting there playing dominoes stood up and instantly started cheering and applauding. I'm sure my little stunt totally made their day. Oh, one more amazing fact about this story (that I probably shouldn't mention): I WASN'T WEARING UNDERPANTS!!! lj - -- +++ +++++ ++ +++ ++++++++ +++++ ++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++ +++ +++ ++ +++ ++++++ + + + + + + "Let's start a fire Let's have a riot! Yeah it's awful" --Courtney Love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:42:34 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Ghost Threads, take 3 Kay: > I felt something was going wrong as soon as I read > the advice to Chris,--that he take his head out of his ass. It's extremely good advice for anyone who actually finds himself in that position. Believe me, you DO NOT want to learn that the hard way. Kay, thanks for your message. The same debate with the same players could have been a lot more productive (or at least more tolerable) if it had remained civil. +brian ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #159 ********************************