From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #158 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 10 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Robyn played bassitone? [Jason Thornton ] alternative activism [dmw ] sound gear on public transit ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] some things [dmw ] so you think yer in love ["Walker, Charles" ] Nader raider ["Kenneth Johnson" ] wow. [Mark Gloster ] Re: peaceful demonstrators & violent idiots [steve ] Re: Violence? [Ben ] Re: sound gear on public transit [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:04:54 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Robyn played bassitone? At 12:36 AM 4/25/01 -0400, Ben wrote: >Its on the UM site, on the first page scroll down to What's New and it says >"we've some lovely new photos on the Pictures page." And folks are right its >not a baritone but a Danelectro bass. I guess I was fooled by the instrument >looking small compared to the giant Robyn. ;-) The Danelectro Longhorn is a short-scale bass, a mere 30 inches, so it was not merely Robyn's hugeness that tricked you. The neck itself is a few inches shorter than that of a typical bass. Now back to your regularly scheduled bile... - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: alternative activism one great thing about this country is that there are few limits on what sort of political activities a private individual can be involved in. voting (in something that makes more of a difference than the presidential election, for god's sake) is only one of them. the effect of boycotts is admittedly limited -- okay, you CAN'T boycott the tobacco companies effectively if you're a consumer at all -- but well-targetted boycotts opposing a specific policy on the part of a single company or entity can be extremely effective. in many cases, corporations will cede a point to aovid the negative publicity. i know a guy who's trying to get an RIAA boycott together, i don't know if he'll succeed or not, but ASCAP pulled it off once (to their enduring regret, i'm sure, but, arguably, society benefited nonetheless). but that's the tip of the iceberg. so few people write letters to their elected representatives that those who do wield disproportionate power. since i don't HAVE an federally elected representatives, i've taken to bugging anyone that strikes my fancy -- i can't claim to be a constituent, but at least they (or their offices) know that thoughtful, involved people have dissenting opinions. speechifying and mobilizing the press is certainly another option. finally, you can get your hands dirty -- attend the hearings in your district that are open to the public, run for city/county/school board/whatever positions. i am troubled by the current emphasis in certain activist groups on tactics which have the affect of alienating segments of the population who might otherwise tend to support a given cause. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:18:59 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: sound gear on public transit >From: dmw > >On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >> By the way, does Portland's public transit system work well for transporting >> drum kits, speakers, and the like? > >again, i speak of DC, but... > >I have been more-or-less prepared to be told on some rush-hour day that I >can't bring my equipment on board the metro rail during rush hour; it >hasn't happened yet, although on my way to a session about a month ago it >seemed a very near thing. So... ...I wasn't really asking whether they _allowed_ such things, though I'm interested to know the answer to that as well. I was more asking whether such things were practical. I'm understanding you to say that they are, though I'm at a loss to imagine how this works (I'm assuming you have a number of friends helping you do it). I actually hate driving and I really love trains (though I despise buses with all my soul). I don't even know how to ride a bike, and the few times I've done it it really hurt my ass, but living on the peninsula as I do and working so close to a CalTrain station, I suspect I could feasibly commute to and from work using just a bike (or at least to drive to the CalTrain station, park, and take the train from there). But having tried for a couple of years to do things like shop for groceries relying on public transit, I can tell you that I'm not eager to give up my car for stuff like that. I don't know how the hell I'd carry my guitar and amp on a bike. More public transit facts: it apparently takes two hours to get from San Jose to San Francisco on CalTrain. I realize that by posting these remarks I invites argument. Though I honestly don't see myself committing to biking up the hill to my apartment every day (let alone across town to the CalTrain station, and from there to my dojo), I think I would prefer anecdotes about how people solve these problems to more argument. Or maybe this is part of what Jeme was saying about the infrastructure for "alternatives" not being in place. By the way: I enjoy cities but -- as a result of growing up in those consumerist kindergartens, the suburbs -- I really don't think I could cope too well if I couldn't see large swathes of green from my windows. That's selfishness, probably. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: some things i will subscribe at underwatermoonlight.com when i can afford to, because, when all is said and done, i would like to support the cause, but i am no fan of 128K MP3s, and i wish there was something more tangible and with fewer compression artifacts available; i think MP3's are less worth paying for than a substandard cassette dub. i subscribed to kristin hersh's thing with the same desire to support the artist and the same reservations about the value of the goods being sold. i like amy corriea quite a bit, but probably not as much as Eb. my biggest problem with the idea of high speed trains is the idea that amtrak might run them. i'm unimpressed enough with their safety record as it is, and the 'acela' program was late, over budget, and rushed (in my opinion) into service. i haven't operated a motor vehicle in nearly three years (the last time i did so was to participate in aids ride, when amtrak plans became untenable) but i live in an urban area, and still have made an awful lot of accommodations to manage that (and cadged a lot of rides, for me and assorted musical equipment and pa gear). i wouldn't expect everyone to be able to make the same level of accommodation. i think we dwell too much on killers (in news and entertainment media, as well as on mailing lists). i think there's an essential fallacy in the subtext that there is something "there" to "understand," some kind of key to the way the killers mind works. there isn't -- on the one hand there are chemical imbalances, and on the other hand there are fewer differences than most of us would be comfortable admitting (me, i have genetic material, in part, from a monster, so i had to deal with it head on). i would never advocate trying to censor the stories of murderers -- i wouldn't want to give them that glamour -- but i hate to see them became our new folk heroes, and someone chastizing someone else for spelling a killer's name wrong really set my teeth on edge. this has nothing to do with my thinking john lennon was some sort of saint. he was an extremely gifted songwriter, a fine singer, and a competent musician. <-- that's a period. i have begun to suspect that it is possible that some of the 'black bloc' protesters are right wing ringers with a mission to discredit the movements they purportedly advocate. i don't have any hard evidence to support this, but such tactics have, historically, been used before. many of my activist friends here in dc have been distressed by the 'black bloc'ers' non-participation in coordinating protest activities -- they have a knack for popping up somewhere the rest of us didn't expect them. very tenuous and circumstantial, but nonetheless disquieting. i have found the discussion about the use of violent tactics by protesters very thought-provoking. i'm forced to concede that there have been times and places where revolutionary action seemed justifed. the distinction between a terrorist and a revolutionary is almost certainly in the eye of the beholder. like Chris Gross, here and now, i believe that working within the context of the existing system to improve and reform it is preferable to trying to tear it all down. i don't see how i could condone overturning a police car and still oppose bombing a clinic; I have to disapprove of both. the sex pistols were a manufactured hair band (well, okay, clothes horse band), and the clash were a bunch of rich kids. that's got nothing to do with the music. billy idol in his gen x days had nearly as much cred as they did (but less than the mekons). old punks not laughable are mostly not still playing punk. i nominate penelope houston. and the mekons. rollins was always laughable, but when he was good, he knew it. kira's got the ten-and-a-half, as ugly as i am. i can't believe there's a serious attempt to analyze that elephant/car thing -- without knowing the assumptions on which the purported statistics were based, it seems kinda pointless. but whatever. who is in bayard's fantasy band? andy (partridge?) julian (cope) robyn (hitchcock, or the single-named r&b singer?) and thomas (dolby?). i don't think it would sound very good. i think as a songwriter going into a collaborative project like that -- between distinctive, established writers -- there are some real obstacles to to creating quality material in -- first, you probably want to keep your very best stuff for yourself, and second, you probably try to bend your muse in a direction consistent with the talents/proclivities of the others, which may tend to dilute the inspiration a bit. i don't doubt that good stuff can come out of such a venture now and then, but look at, say, the travelling wilburys -- does anybody *really* think that that record stands up to the best of what any of its contributors did separately? what about Andy (Shernoff, Dictators, etc. on bass) (Ivan) Julian (Richard Hell, Shriekback, Matthew Sweet, etc. on guitar) Robyn Hitchcock (guitar and vocals) (Chris) Thomas (procol harum, etc. on drums) okay the last one is lame. i cna't figure out how to do a search for "drummers named thomas." Someone finish up my NY punk/Hitchcock dream band, willya, then I'll phone all their agents. No, duh! I got it! Tommy Ramone on drums. there. now that's a tour i'd like to see. - -- d. np house of large sizes _idiots out wandering around_ "we reserve the right to burn anything" they sing. heh. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:47:19 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: so you think yer in love I do a bit of writing for fun and send out an email newsletter and possess a fledgling website. Here is my latest rant on the Soft Boys LA gigs. I posted an exerpt before. Check out the website if you'd like to see some more writing http://www.theweeklywalker.com. And if you'd like to subscribe email me at charles@theweeklywalker.com. Good times. I made my first sojourn into the LA rock scene at the new[ish] Knitting Factory in Hollywood to see The Soft Boys [Robyn Hitchcock's original band from the late 70's]. The LA Knitting Factory is a spin off from the legendary experimental musical showcase in Manhattan. The original Knitting Factory was a place where on any given Tuesday you might get to watch a guy like Eugene Chadbourne play his electric rake or 'dissect' an amplified 'corpse.' Eugene, by the way, is a native of Greensboro, NC - 20 miles from my home town and he returned there from NYC in order to raise his children "someplace sane." Well the corporate dollar has spoken up a bit with the new Knitting Factories as the new LA space is located in a not too hip strip mall like area next to a movie multi-plex. Hitchcock is one of my all time favorite performers and I catch his act every chance I get. This was the first big Robyn Hitchcock rock show that I have witnessed since the early nineties. By the mid 90's he eschewed the big band and went primarily solo and acoustic. The evening was up and down for various reasons but one thing that I did realize, rock and roll is getting old, and I don't mean tired [entirely]. Robyn said that there ought to be a law against middle aged men strapping on electric guitars and I think I see his point. He claimed that his band had applied for a permit of exemption from the government and were going to continue to play until the permit goes through. Everyone on stage had gray hair and a beer belly of sorts. There is nothing wrong or shameful about aging but the stage does tend to amplify things and not just the music. I think it takes guts to stand before an audience at the age of 49 and sing the lines with utmost sincerity, "Where are the prawns," or, "I want to be an anglepoise lamp, yeah!" Inside, The Knitting Factory is a cool, very clean, little space. Venues in LA tend to be on the smallish side. I guess they need the extra space for the VIP rooms. Also, little spaces sell out quicker and more frequently than larger spaces and thus the venue can exclude people easier which in turn amplifies the 'specialness' of the event - the fact that you can get in while others cannot. Yep, yer hip dude. But I recommend checking out a show or even having dinner in the reasonable priced eatery/cyber bar area. I won't bore you with the details of the show which began loose and frayed, like my mood at the time [more on that later]. I stood right behind the lead singer for the Counting Crows and his two too good looking male companions/hangers on. There is an interesting phenomenon in LA that guys, like girls elsewhere around the globe, tend to travel in 'power packs.' I don't think there is always something gay about this arrangement. Generally there is an alpha male like the Counting Crow dude, who, though he may not possess the looks per se, does have the fame thing going and everyone wants to be around that and associated with it. The alpha fame dude generally has one or two males who look better than everybody else on this planet circling in his orbit, validating the alpha fame dude's importance. This is the Court of The Beautiful and the members of this court make every effort to been seen chatting with the alpha fame dude, touching him as well, letting the room know, "I am cool and may be an alpha dude myself one day." Perhaps the alpha fame dude operates as a protector of some kind, I don't know, I ain't Jane Goodall. What else did I see. Well there were enough snide f*ckers present to make one or two snickering comments about something. You can't be in LA without that. The lead guitarist is Kimberly Rew, the man responsible for Katrina and the Wave and wrote "Walking on Sunshine." That is one you guys might remember. He looks like a Muppet both in appearance and in action. He actually was one of the great joys of the gig, watching a guy take unabashed pleasure in playing music and enjoying every minute of it. He was a sarcasm/cynicism free zone all night. I tried to glom onto his vibe and carry some of it with me like a talisman against the snide f*ckers to ward off snickers and grimaces. Rew acted like Sterling Morrison to Lou Reed's Lou Reed-iness, if that makes any sense. His guitar sound is integral to the music in ways that I had not realized before I saw him playing live. That night I also met Yuko, a Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys fan all the way from Osaka, Japan. It was rather cool to see this proper young Japanese woman bopping around and grooving on The Soft Boys version of Pink Floyd's "Astronomy Domine." I felt warm catching a glimpse of that. I am often surprising to find out who like what in this world. I never would have thought a girl who speaks some but not a great deal of English would get into Robyn's music and his 'tween song monologues, which tend to be very "British" in their style and sense of humor and ramble along organically and asymetrically. But there she was, straight outta Osaka. I also found pleasure in walking to the show. Though not around the corner, I humped the two plus miles west from Western to Sycamore down Hollywood Blvd. Because I drive everywhere, I lose track of distances. Walking is a far more measured approach to judging actual distance than is stop and start traffic. Walking to the gig was fun, walking home was a chore. Funny how what awaits you often is an indicator toward the pleasure of the journey. As I mentioned earlier, I had been feeling somewhat frayed and frazzled at the beginning of the show. Earlier that day a friend had taken me to task for my self pitying, defeatist ways. The effects of the comments lingered with me the entire day and into the first half of the show. I wasn't quite sure where I was and I wasn't getting "into" the songs. I felt myself trying to get "through" the songs. I realized that I was missing the event of the performance and trying to skip ahead to the memory of the event before it even transpired! I just wanted to get on with things. I felt small and unattached to anything meaningful. People in LA tend to live on top of surfaces, life here really lends itself to this feeling - like a barnacle lives attached on to a surface and is not part of that surface. That is how I felt as the music rolled over me and not through me. Robyn made a comment that brought me back into the moment. He said, "They say the phrase 'As you go through life,' well the truth is more that 'life goes through you.'" That brought me home and I enjoyed the rest of the show. The next night I caught Robyn and the Boys at a semi-secret gig at Largo on Fairfax, which is located right across the street from Canter's famous all night deli. Clytemnestra lives right around the corner. I enjoyed this show much more. Largo is a dinner/pub place - music and food. I, of course, didn't eat but sat at the bar and watched the comings and goings. I got a chance to chat with Matthew Seligman, the Soft Boys bass player for about half an hour before the gig. He is an extremely nice guy. He asked for criticism of his tour diaries [http://www.underwatermoonlight.com] and I offered my suggestions - more behind the scenes info - and he seemed pleased. He talked about money and how Thomas Dolby ["She Blinded Me With Science"] has made loads in IT technologies. He also said that the Soft Boys now feel like they can compete with any band on the planet and now that the tour is over, they are just finding their chops and he wished it wasn't over, as do many. He said that if they could get a sponsor then the would tour more extensively. I think he just liked rocking out and didn't want to return to the courts as a barrister - his day job. Lot of famous people at Largo - Aimee Mann and her hub Penn [I like their last names together Mann&Penn] were present, but they hung out mostly in the Kitchen. I watched Aimee's head framed by the round porthole window in the kitchen door. An aside, Aimee, like Minnie Driver, is quite tall. Minnie is at least six feet tall. Aimee isn't quite that tall but you would think that they both are teeny things, but they aren't. Peter Buck stood next to me by the bar for most of the show, we both have our priorities straight. Buck gave no indication that he might fly into a spate of drunken air rage [as he did a few nights letter, getting his famous arse arrested on the way to London - to hang with Hitchcock perhaps??]. I remember at the end of the night he was talking with Grant Lee Phillips and said, "I have your keys. Don't worry." Grant had been imbibing a bit more than the rest I suppose. Good to know that even millionaires don't let sub-millionaires drive drunk! Er, Jon Brion was there too. They all played with Robyn and his band on stage and the set descended into drunken versions of Beatles tunes and an improvisational country and western ditty entitled "Queers For Jesus." That's all that I saw as far as famous folks go, before I cruised out into the empty late night mid-week streets of LA. My favorite time to drive in LA is late night in the middle of the week. The streets are vacant and you can barrel around town in a timely fashion. LA does look a lot like Astoria, Queens at night as an acquaintance once remarked to me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:15:46 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Nader raider Quail say: >I think you know my opinion of Nader, and how I feel he was a >significant vector in why the Democrats lost the election, and now >we >have W. in office. > I will have to cast some doubt at your opinion. Gore lost the election to that goon all by himself. There were more registered Democrats that voted for Shrub than Nader votes in many key states, including Florida. Take a close look at the deep South and the Bible Belt and they way they voted in the last presidential election as well as the last few election cycles. There was a large shift from Clinton/Gore's camp over to the Republicans. That is what lost Gore the election, (his own home state for Ah-Pook's sweet sake!) The Bible Belt defection and the systematic removal off the voting roles of certain "undesireables" by the Reublican party. Nader cannot be blamed for Gore's loss....and you can bet Gore knows that. He had an impact, to be sure, but insignificant compared with the above mentioned betrayl. Let's not alienate the liberal left any more than it likes to itself. Let's work together people, please. If we did I don't think we would be in this mess and I don't just mean politically. I believe that, idealistic, realistic or not. Kennethwho likes Robyn Hitchcock a whole lot....more than any other modern music artist....Robyn is my folk/rock/neo-punk psychedelica god of the music world....all at once....honest - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:19:33 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: wow. Something's gone awry with the Great Quail's bots. Even the bot with his name. I mean, I don't know if I can possibly read all of the posts when deluged with seven billion words a digest and ten digests a day. Remember, some of us can only read as fast as our lips move, and that's real slow on them big wurdz. A few things: I may only be a sharkbot, but as usual with heavily contested debates on this list, I find myself agreeing with at least 80% of the content of even opposing posts. The places I don't agree are usually either 1) an unfair characterization of the other participant's viewpoint, or 2) a crossing of "the line"- going too far beyond ethical justification. There is a third thing that just sucks and happens every time where people use the debate as an opportunity snipe at the participants' characters from the peanut gallery. In the debates, it has looked mostly as #1. I take it on faith that Jeme, Viv, Quail, Chris, AHMrFr, GSS and the rest (I know, Gilligan's island) all think a lot. Each has an engaging mind and considers points with great seriousness. As I think of y'all as my friends, I don't think it serves me well to think of you as the enemy where we are different. I sometimes think that people are more naive or more paranoid than I when I read the posts. A lot of this stuff is like arguing religion: "okay, I will accept the premise that you've found _your_ answer, but, geez, doesn't it seem arrogant when you're sure that it's _my_ answer." Background: I was born a democrat. I was involved in campaigns from the time I could walk. Most of my family is completely lodged in mainstream of democratic politics. After voting for a couple of pig-fuckers in the eighties who did exactly the opposite of their campaign assurances (Tom Campbell from the SF Bay Area is one of them BTW: not a democrat, but he pretends during campaigns) I decided to look seriously into other options. I found that the Democratic party had lost any allegiance it had ever had to me. Why the fuck would I hold any for it? I switched parties to one of those fruit-and-nut parties that we all hear about before most people in the US had even heard of that particular party. Continual reassessment may only help me justify my views, but face it- the machine is broken. Here's an illustration to hopefully clarify what I just said: When the two most ethical candidates from the big parties are Senator McCain and ex-senator Babbit (my opinion), and that the only two people who are in the major public political eye who I feel any trust toward are Ralph Nader and some ex-wrestler governor with a lousy side job: I believe that we need to question all of the foundation of US politics. McCain and Babbit only shine when they're next to the shit of the rest of their parties. Now I'll try to kind of address my viewpoint. For complex reasons I am against free trade. To oversimplify, I never believed for one minute that a high tide raises all boats: it sinks the ones that need the most help. The very poor and the ecology get crapped upon. Violence: I have mixed feelings about this. My long-held beliefs that it is always wrong have been tempered by how effectively voices are taken away. If I were a Palestinian, how could I feel that non-violence would ever win? As a demonstrator wherein I was trivialized or underreported at a meeting which had a pre-agreed result, how would I feel? The other side is that when violence is used, its use is often all that is reported, thus limiting the voice of the others. Because of the behavior of crowd control police, it also puts the _peaceful_ demonstrators at risk for being shot in the ass with rubber bullets, etc. What I take away is that, I don't think you'll find me really soon throwing rocks at police or tearing down fences. I also am tremendously skeptical that houliganism will speak with my voice. HOWEVER, I'M JUST NOT SURE THERE IS ANOTHER WAY. People need to become the press. Big business/politics has to become less evil or be completely exposed for the evils they perpetrate. And by all means, people everywhere should take ten years off of breeding while we try to fix a few things. Please add my name to the list of those wrecking the list for another week. Happies, - -Sharkboy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:27:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: peaceful demonstrators & violent idiots On Wednesday, April 25, 2001, at 02:50 PM, Walker, Charles wrote: > this is the price you pay for not "growing your own food." we no longer > live > in a society where each individual is expected to be self sufficient. > hence > a lot of nonsense stirs around. the more that you can do for yourself, the > less you will hear this noise in your life. You're making a joke, right? - - Steve __________ Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown! - Darph Bobo http://www.trippingtherift.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:28:35 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: Violence? Capuchin wrote: > OK, here we go. Attention Feg-archivists - did this post break the record for the longest one ever? If not, what was the longest post to the list? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: sound gear on public transit On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > ...I wasn't really asking whether they _allowed_ such things, though I'm > interested to know the answer to that as well. > > I was more asking whether such things were practical. I'm understanding > you to say that they are, though I'm at a loss to imagine how this works > (I'm assuming you have a number of friends helping you do it). well, it's not especially easy, but i go it alone. i can put an amp on a luggage cart, sometime bungee-cording something else to it, and i can carry two guitars for distances of a few blocks (i live downtown and we mostly play downtown) and at least a mile or so if i can get away with only one guitar. it's sort of my version of weight training. my rack unit has wheels and a handle, and i can bungee-cord more stuff to that, and carry some stuff besides -- it all depends on what kind of gig i'm doing and what equipment i have to bring. if i have to move the whole PA -- mains & monitors and mic stands and everything -- no, i can't do it w/o a car. and i usually need to cadge a ride *home* from whatever i'm doing, because after about 9:30 pm i wouldn't carry my stuff home on foot from the train station on a bet. the old drummer in shoddy workmanship didn't have a car either, if we were sharing a drum kit with another band he'd bring cymbals/snare/etc. on foot. once you get a kick drum and a floor tom involved, well, that's really not an option -- we had to use the bass player's car. it's damned hard to play electric rock music and be thoughtful of the environment. i would love to do better. suggestions welcome (other than quit, which is untenable, i'm afraid). - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #158 ********************************