From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #153 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 10 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- eclipse's private hell, part II (also i heart RH) [Eclipse ] Gotta Let This Hen Out DVD ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Robyn played bassitone? ["brian nupp" ] Glasgow Gig 24th April ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" ] fallen from the fuckin' garden ["Natalie Jacobs" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: eclipse's private hell, part II (also i heart RH) darling fegs, i speak in general when i say the following: i love the amount of open discussion about non-topical things that comes up on this list .. but some of you need to stop and breathe. wait a while before you post that angry response. i don't think any of this should be directed (or taken) personally; we're all just here sharing opinions, and sometimes we don't see eye to eye. but calling each other names and escalating into incredulous flames is not the way to share opinions. and if opinions are too incendiary, perhaps they are better shared elsewhere with a more sympathetic audience. certainly there are other things to talk about (how about them UK shows, eh?). anyway, i think you are all a bright bunch of people with ideas and opinions you firmly believe in, and there's nothing wrong with that. at least you have them, as opposed to the majority of people out there .. why god/deity/goddess/satan/the unnameable hates Eclipse, part II: i have officially joined the ranks of the pink-slip club. that's right, i got laid off. i am one of the 6,000-8,000 job cuts at Cisco. to be honest, the severance package is nothing to sneeze at .. i'm about to take 6-8 weeks of paid vacation, and i could take longer. but the job market here sucks ass right now and it's just piss poor timing on god's part. ah well, at least i have some time to try to put my life back together. i heart Robyn Hitcock: Larry, thanks so much for the Baltimore SB show! i think it lacks some of the togetherness, energy and spark that i heard in SF, but i think you can hear it coming together there. 'Where Are The Prawns' is especially good and tight (why didn't they play this in SF??) and i think 'Sudden Town' is growing on me! i'm mostly deaf so i'll have to give this a listen sometime in something other than my car so i can hear all the delightful little spoken bits. anyway, you rule! i would love to have other SB shows from this tour, but have nothing to trade. i would happily provide blanks, postage etc. if you are willing to help, please let me know, since i don't know where to start. :) joblessly, Eclipse ne: little bite size snacky samosas, mmm - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:11:31 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Robyn? Mike Swedene wrote: > > Hey! > Where are the reviews from our buddies in the > British Isles??? We have this thing called reserve over here. My review of the Glasgow gig last night: It was good. You would have liked it. I did. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:13:54 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Gotta Let This Hen Out DVD My friend Euan has just noticed that "Gotta Let This Hen Out" is on the DVD release schedule in the recrd store he manages... This is all the details I have. We'll be able to see bad hair again, but digitally. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:49:40 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: peaceful & violent "Thomas, Ferris" wrote: > > Public transport won't work. Sorry. Not on a massive scale. You already have it. Go to Chicago O'Hare and tell me it's not the bus station. > Brit Rail used to be entirely government run. When Branson bought a chunk > of it he inherited a broken-down and ill-maintained system. He bought a system that had been asset-stripped for sale, promised to inject gobs of cash, and didn't. Virgin consistently come out at the bottom of the train operators' satisfaction league. Virgin are so bad that the term "Thunderbirds" is used in the rail industry to describe the locomotives used to provide "Internation Rescue" to Virgin's broken down rolling stock. Some of you will get that reference, some of you won't. Stewart 'tsf' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:51:27 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Robyn played bassitone? > > > Looks like a Danelectro bass to me... possibly used for Insanely >Jealous > > > (I reckon the album version has 2 bass)... any ideas? This is indeed true. It says so in the liner notes of the new release. >PS - a new mystery to ponder in these photos, why are they named >"Africa"? Was there a secret, sub-Saharan tour nobody knows about? > Africa is a venue they played 21 years ago when they were babies. I think there are some boots out there. >PPS - did anyone subscribe to the members section? I don't know how >successful it will be, I think it would be better if instead of $15 for >MP3's, >they instead sold something you can hold on to, like a CD. Maybe highlights >of the tour that won't be covered by the "Fillmore" (if it comes out), or >maybe some more early UM demos and rehersals. I for one signed up. I definately want to take full advantage of some soundboard recordings of such an awesome tour! Great idea about putting up some early UM demos (like a full version of an Old Pervert demo, or a skull a suitcase and a Long RED Bottle of Wine!). That would be grand! Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:06:47 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Glasgow Gig 24th April Bad stuff first. Piss poor ticket sales meant the venue was changed and downsized to the Cathouse. Fortunately we still managed to find the new venue in time. I'm not sure what the final turn out was, maybe 100ish. Stewart, any guesses? Other bad thing, the esteemed Mr Russell got the one and only cone of the night. And a rather nice one it was too. Let's just hope he keeps it safe lest he forgets I have his home address! ;^) EAR was pretty good, or at least interesting. 45 minutes of one chord basically, but it was a nice chord! Then the Soft Boys. Excellent performance if a little short, and the vocals were quiet at the start. Also, once again RH seems reluctant to ramble too much in front of a Glasgow crowd. Shame as some of the rambles can be as good as the songs. 1:You'll Have To Go Sideways 2:Kingdom Of Love 3:Queen Of Eyes 4:Tonight 5:I'm An Old Pervert 6:My Mind Is Connected To Your Brain 7:Only The Stones Remain 8:I Wanna Destroy You 9:Insanely Jealous 10:Evil Guy 11:Leppo And The Jooves 12:Sudden Town 13:Underwater Moonlight Encores: 14:Airscape 15:I Got The Hots For You 16:Mr. Kennedy Not sure why they're playing "Airscape" so much. Not an obvious choice. It was also spoiled by Morris being unable to keep his mic pointed the right way. And is "Evil Guy" likely to be released now as a SBs song d'you suppose? The new songs are strong I'd say. I'm looking forward to a new CD. I have to say that, what with bad mixing at the start and no one going to aid Morris the few times his mic kept falling over, it's a big "Yah boo sucks" to the road crew! They'd better get it sorted before the next tour. ;^) One final question, Stewart reckoned that the guys had fallen out with a previous musical chum. Is it Metcalfe and why? (H) np - EAR Phenomena 256 nw - Soft Boys t-shirt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:35:57 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: bits of everything - cities to cars to the size of an elephan t >> I've seen 'engineered communities.' They're hollow, foul things. > and Britain's been doing this for the best part of a century. Telford, > Milton Keynes, Welwyn Garden City... not all of them are > exactly what you'd > call successful, but the principle is right. Telford and Milton Keynes were what I had in mind when I referred to engineered communities. I've been to both on several occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:27 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: You can interrupt my banana any time "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" wrote: > > I'm not sure what the final turn out was, maybe 100ish. > Stewart, any guesses? I'd say that was about right. > Other bad thing, the esteemed Mr Russell got the one and only cone of the > night. And a rather nice one it was too. Yes, it's a very nice cone. And it's the only cone in town. (I have digicam pics of it somewhere.) > Let's just hope he keeps it safe > lest he forgets I have his home address! ;^) Listen, Kirkcaldy-boy, I have your address too, and you're not in Elderslie (?? is that where you said you were from? Kinda ruins the threat, a question) any more. > 45 minutes of one chord > basically, but it was a nice chord! Plus a few EXPLODE commands on an old Oric-1 home computer, I'd say. 'Least the set list is easy to transcribe for EAR... > 5:I'm An Old Pervert which you have to experience live to to see how shattering Kimberley's playing of that riff is. > 8:I Wanna Destroy You dedicated to Dubya. > 13:Underwater Moonlight full long version with burbling story in the middle, too. > 15:I Got The Hots For You weren't some folks stateside wanting a recording of this? I saw no soundboard recordings done, but Hamish said he did. There were clearly a few folks in the audience fiddling with concealed devices, but we don't know who they are. > nw - Soft Boys t-shirt green with fluo crab is mine. My office mates love it... Stewart 'tsf' (the subject is what Kimberley said to me when I apologised to him for interrupting the banana he was easting while signing my copy of Tunnel Into Summer) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:07:32 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: violence? we don't need no stinking violence!!! > > What NAFTA alone has > > done for Mexico, especially Northern Mexico in regard to the > > standard of > > living for many people is unbelievable. > > > Including my father?, who now works longer hours in a PA steel mill > for substantially less pay than he did a half dozen years ago. > Companies buy there steel cheaper in Mexico. No EPA. No pensions. > More profits. I had a long talk with a friend of mine last night and she and I got onto the idea of unions in this country. Her father is a retired Delta employee, mine a retired carpenter. Both former union. For a while back in the early nineties I, too, belonged to a union and received benefits from it. When the teamster's union was formed in 1903 the workplace was a much, much different place. I'm not sure there's a way to adequately describe the improvements in conditions and compensation since then. Cutting to the quick, though, isn't it possible that in this country the time of the unions has passed? We've got a highly developed (and, at times, bloated and broken) legal system in this country and, providing legislation isn't enacted protecting employers from litigation, the threat of lawsuits should keep employers in check. Think about it: why do jobs go south? Because the product is better? (In the case of Japanese steel a few years ago, yes, that would have been the case...however I digress...) I doubt it. It's just cheaper. Why is it cheaper? Because our standards and costs of living are higher here driving our wages up. A union sheet rock taper gets a salary of around $35 an hour. Here's a guy who carries his tools (trowels and a knife) in a bucket. And people wonder why construction costs are so high. A co-pilot for a 737 (Delta's smallest plane in their fleet) starts at a salary of $100,000. Now, as a result of the contract they've agreed upon, that pilot can count on a starting salary of $124,000 to $134,000. Trade barriers are not a way to keep your native businesses competitive. Isolationism doesn't work. Open markets and fair trade are the only way to keep a healthy economy and to improve over-all conditions. If it means dismantling unions which, by and large choke the competitive life out of American firms, then maybe that's a way to go. That's about one and a half cents worth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:33:48 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: RE: You can interrupt my banana any time >> Let's just hope he keeps it safe >> lest he forgets I have his home address! ;^) > Listen, Kirkcaldy-boy, I have your address too, and you're not in > Elderslie (?? is that where you said you were from? Kinda ruins the > threat, a question) any more. We're 'ard from Elderslie. Didn't you know Mel Gibson's from there. (Or was it William Wallace?) >> 45 minutes of one chord >> basically, but it was a nice chord! > 'Least the set list is easy to transcribe for EAR... I'll name that tune in, errrr.... one? >> 5:I'm An Old Pervert > which you have to experience live to to see how shattering Kimberley's > playing of that riff is. Absolutely! Well impressive. He's a wild little lad. Doesn't he still look totally in awe of Robbo when they're duelling though? Looks almost like he's apologising most of the time. >> 8:I Wanna Destroy You > dedicated to Dubya. A little unsubtle. >> 15:I Got The Hots For You > weren't some folks stateside wanting a recording of this? I saw no > soundboard recordings done, but Hamish said he did. There were clearly a > few folks in the audience fiddling with concealed devices, but we don't > know who they are. There was a minidisc player wiv cables attached at the side of the PA, and mics pointing to the stage up on the ceiling. Didn't Matty boy say it was an md player he was using? >> nw - Soft Boys t-shirt > green with fluo crab is mine. My office mates love it... As is mine but my office mates don't! Something to do with "green" and "Scottish Cup"! > (the subject is what Kimberley said to me when I apologised to him for > interrupting the banana he was easting while signing my copy of Tunnel > Into Summer) Sounded like a Babs Windsor line from a Carry On film. (H) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:34:59 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: you'll probably want to skip this First: To the many new members of the Feg-List -- don't worry. You have joined a List that periodically seizes up in political convulsions. Just learn to use your delete key more and you will get through it; things tend to die down in a few days. Second: Thanks to Chris Gross -- I agree with almost everything you say, and you say it better than me. Third: This is my last post on the subject. Vivian, you are free to have the last word if you so wish. >Well, you sure as shit insulted him on the list. He thinks violence >against property can be justified, and you think (and said) that makes him >a terrorist. What's that, a compliment? No, it's part of my definition of "terrorism." And I didn't call Eddie a terrorist. But some of the things promoted by some people on the List, Eddie included, can be conceived of as a form of "terrorism." In fact, I agree with much of Eddie's last posting -- I think occasionally violence and perhaps even terrorism are justifiable, especially in cases of repression or moments where political reform may be impossible or at least forcibly prolonged. I believe Eddie when he says he is a pacifist, but I also believe that the willful and consistent destruction of property to achieve your means is a form of terrorism, pure and simple. It may also be effective and justifiable. It's a very grey and shady area. All I have been saying is that you better be damn sure you know what you are doing, because it changes things dramatically, it tends to escalate, and violence begets violence. I don't think Eddie and I are in disagreement. >Oh, my posting in which I advocated forcing people to dismantle their cars >and build high-speed rail in the countryside? Wait...I don't remember >writing that at all... Please, if you want to argue this, at least stop being coy. First of all, most of what triggered my post was Jeme's ideas. But what I found to have potential distaste in your postings are simply your sarcasm regarding MacDonald's burning, your advocation that we go about "altering existing cities and encouraging redistribution of population densities," and your utopian belief that railways and no-cars are a solution that every good person should desire. >There's that word again- forced! Who EVER said that anything should be >forced on anyone? As Chris Gross said: I think that you display attitudes -- giving up on the democratic system, condoning violence, advocating massive social change without acknowledging that most of society doesn't yet agree with you -- that Lenin also displayed, and if continued down that path you could, eventually, end up like Lenin, trying to remake society according to your bluepoint regardless of society's views. >GETS IN THE WAY??? I think you know my opinion of Nader, and how I feel he was a significant vector in why the Democrats lost the election, and now we have W. in office. >I'm sorry, I guess I don't write to you often enough to >tell you of my exploits. One thing I will certainly say, I know you "put your money where your mouth is." I am not suggesting that you do not work for change; I said that the utopian thinking so often espoused by the Pacific Nothwest "occasionally gets in the way" of more *realistic* reform. I was thinking primarily of Nader's campaign. I also agree with Chris again that aggressive radicals like PETA and ACT-UP and Earth First also do more harm to positive change than good, and while you, Vivian, may not agree with any of these groups, they are certainly more closely aligned with the radical ideology you sometimes espouse, and my comment was in fact directed at "you utopian thinkers" in general. >I reserve every right to shrug away the menacing undertones of Jeme's >posts- I love the guy, but I do not always march in lockstep with him, and >I won't take responsibility for the tone of any of his writings. I never asked you to. My original post was mostly aimed at his comments. However, I also found a menacing tone to your burning MacDonald's post, and I clearly indicated that. >As far as >setting fire to a "corporation", well...that's not possible, is it? Please don't play semantic games. You know exactly what I was talking about, you yourself selected the subject heading "Oh no! My favorite MacDonald's is burning." And other List members even *advocate* and condone flinging rocks through windows. >How >about trying to get a corporation dissolved? Is that violence? Of course not; however, it also depends on your means to an end, doesn't it? This is why I get scared at the rhetoric. You keep insisting I am insulting, that I haven't been reading well, and that you are losing respect for me. Perhaps you should seriously consider that maybe you are not communicating your ideas as clearly as you think, and that some of your rhetoric is open to interpretation? >And your insistence that you're free of such behavior (who was that >judging Bush supporters?) is....well, I'd say hypocritical Is there a single point where I indicate that I have never judged? Let alone "insist?" Of course I make judgments, we all do. As you say, it is indeed "necessary." But I do think that you or one of the Fegs who tends to moralize, judge, and patronize more than most. All I said was that it was getting weary. We all judge, but no one forces us to make frequent posts conveying that judgment. >Because it isn't practical in one place, that means it can't be practical >in another? Again, I never said that. But maybe in the future you want to watch your generalizations, especially given a climate where some Fegs are calling others lazy and selfish, just because they want to live in one place and drive a car to work. >You come up with a safe way to dispose of the waste, and then we'll talk- There is no guarantees of safety in any form of power generation. Even solar cells are created using technology that creates toxins and waste. (More importantly, it is impossible to generate adequate electricity for even a medium-sized town with current solar power technology.) Nuclear waste is definitely an issue, but one that can be solved if the American people would get behind it -- all the high-level nuclear waste in the US can be stored in one safe facility for well over a century, if we had the will to do it. (It's also part a political question, such as Yucca Mountain.) But TMI and of course the poorly constructed Chernobyl, not to mention a propaganda campaign by the anti-Nuke people and general ignorance, has created an atmosphere in the US that is decidedly anti-Nuke. It *is* a thorny issue, I know -- Not only have I worked at a PP&L Coal/Oil power plant, I have studied power technologies extensively in more post-grad programs than I care to remember. (I did live and teach a few miles from Three Mile Island!) But it is in issue that will only be solved by honesty and realism from all sides. That is, unless the American people start using less power. >you, me, and Cheney. Electricty for the rail could come from a combination >of renewable sources- mag-lev, geo-thermal, solar...I don't pretend to be >an expert I don't want to argue the technology here, to be honest. Some of your ideas are partial solutions, but not for a system the size of which you desire, nor does it eliminate cars. > I just thought a Seattle-SanFran rail line would be sweet. And I agree. It would be great, and it should be built. I have nothing at all against this, but I also believe that it is not practical throughout most the rural US. >Apparently I'm a tiny reincarnation of Lenin for thinking so. Yes, that's exactly what I meant; you are a tiny Lenin for wanting a clean rail line between San Fran and Seattle. It is clear to me now. >But what is a majority of people find that they don't really want a car >anymore? Then it would be a 'fact' that they ceased to drive them. Oh, come on! That's not exactly what you meant. And now you are conflating your utopian ideals with "logical" rhetoric, by which you can pretty much support any thesis. "Communism would work if it weren't for that pesky human nature," stuff like that. Whatever. I am not saying it's wrong to be idealistic, but really, over half the US isn't going to suddenly decide not to drive cars. They certainly will want cleaner, less expensive, longer lasting, more efficient cars; and maybe they'll want to use their cars less. Have you ever lived in rural US? Or have you lived in large cities all your life? Just a question. >Not really, since most of your arguments centered on the idea that any of >us wanted to force people to do certain things, which no one ever ever >said. Really? So advocating violence against property, encouraging relocation, and insulting people for owning cars -- these could not lead to intimidation? (And since you said "no one," I am broadening it to other Fegs than you.) >And my guess is that within a decade or so I will be an attorney working >in the public interest, and too busy to spend all day on an email list >bickering about whether or not I should be considered a terrorist simply >because the idea of Jose Bove smashing up a McDonalds doesn't move me to >tears. Wow, whatever. Well, anyway, good luck on your legal career; I think that's probably a good choice for you, and I hope it doesn't burn you out or embitter you. I mean that. >Another joke. Jesus Christ, since when did joking become a crime? Or >rather, a terrorist act? I think I have made it clear that jokes and sarcasm in a certain context may conceal an ideology with which I am inclined to vehemently disagree. And I bet if Eb made some "jokes" about something you felt concealed something ugly, you would be quite bent out of shape. And please, for fuck's sake, stop pretending that I labeled all your points "terrorist acts." Your letters have been getting increasingly more shrill, insulting, and resorting to petty rhetorical devices instead of reasonable discussion. >A person who claims that destruction of a fast-food stand is "the worst >kind of violence" (apparently worse than rape, murder, or genocide) >deserves to be scorned. Perhaps, or you can try to reason with him and see if he really believes that. >The anarchists I know, while they do occassionally engage in property >destruction, would never raise a hand to a human being. Moreover, their >violence is inspired by political motives. I few others on the list have reflected my thoughts on this. Violence begets violence. I don't care whether you are torching an abortion clinic after hours, overturing water-tables at Woodstock, or smashing windows at a conference, I will take a stand against it. > > > >Well, this country's too big for a lot of >things. And >frankly, I'm > >beginning to think it should be broken up. Secession! > >A JOKE! C'mon! Really? I *honestly* thought you meant it. There are some who think a little balkanization might be in order. >Encouragement = force. Right. I must remember that. Oh, please. Politically-motivated "Encouragement" can very easily be seen as intimidation, and can open the door for force -- it's happened millions of time throughout history. You are talking about "encouraging" mass amounts of people to re-locate their established *homes* for the sake of your Ecotopia. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:34:12 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: You can interrupt my banana any time I meant to add: Ticket here: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fegtickets.html#stewart (yes, I know it takes a long time to load, And yes, I will add all you nice people's tickets. Eventually.) Tour card here: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/rh_temp/ (scroll down to where it says "The Soft Boys Tour 2001") since no-one else seems to have noted the existence of these things. Stewart 'tsf' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:43:45 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: You can interrupt my banana any time "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" wrote: > > We're 'ard from Elderslie. Eek, that's almost Paisley. I'm scar(r)ed. > Doesn't he still look > totally in awe of Robbo when they're duelling though? more like picking up clues on what RH's going to play next. That jam at the end of Mr Kennedy - that certainly cleared the custard. > Sounded like a Babs Windsor line from a Carry On film. He did hesitate a little before saying it, as if he thought he might not quite get away with it... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Catron Subject: the league of FEG " jesus god. i *explicitly* said that i consider myself a pacifist. i *explicitly* said that while i don't consider property destruction "violence", i still don't advocate it" oh yeah? then how come you not only injured me when we played basketball, but trashed chris' and my place? fucking liar. (seriously, sorry ed, I was responding to something someone else said. i haven't been reading this thread very closely.) I'm a little verklemmt. Talk amongst yourselves, I'll give you a topic: Andy, Julian, Robyn and Thomas start a band project, "Four Enlightened Gentlemen" (or "a Few Enlightened Gentlemen," in case one leaves later.) Assuming these frontmen could work together, what would it sound like, and would it be any good? =Gandalf Wilberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:44:44 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: fallen from the fuckin' garden >Ah, Natalie's back from the wilderness, and just in time for all >those >Japanese reissues. I've never been gone. I'm finally going to be able to get CD's of Mummer and Black Sea without the fucking extra tracks in the middle, aren't I? Oh, and that Robyn guy... he's OK, I guess. n., wishing I was at home bonding with my new guitar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Catron Subject: a couple lyrics needed heyo, does anyone have lyrics handy (or mp3's) of these tracks: kimberley's tune creatures of light millstream pigworker (is this the same as pigworker?) These are about the last of them, excluding Live At The Portland Arms. Next comes "the unreleases" and we're done, till the new album comes out. =b ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #153 ********************************