From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #147 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 24 2001 Volume 10 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: peaceful demonstrators & violent idiots [Terrence Marks ] Oh no! They burned down my favorite McDonalds! [Viv Lyon ] Re: Peter Buck arrested [Stephen Mahoney ] the encyclopedia of everything nasty ["Aaron L." ] Re: Withnaill and Vurt on DVD [Ken Weingold ] Re: the encyclopedia of everything nasty [Capuchin ] Re: same subject line as every other post today [Viv Lyon ] The Commutative Property [Michael Wolfe ] Re: the encyclopedia of everything nasty ["Aaron L." ] Violence? [The Great Quail ] Re: same subject line as every other post today ["JH3" ] 1978 Radar Demos ["brian nupp" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: peaceful demonstrators & violent idiots On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, pat welker wrote: > Actually, it is. It's the worst kind of violence. Violence doesn't need to be > physical. It can also be verbal and emotional. Violence is attempting to > manipulate someone's behavior by ANY means. No it isn't. If I ask someone to visit my website, I'm attempting to manipulate their behaviour. The fact that it isn't violence should be blindingly obvious. You can go around saying that a Phil Ochs concert was really violent because he attempted to change your behaviour, but you won't sound very reasonable when you do so. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: netflix dvds and geekdom. well I am not that "connected", I still have the analog denon reciever and the infinity speakers, but I have the s-video adapter for my non-digital reciever. i still watch vhs cause some stuff will take forever to get put on dvd(ie 'pull my daisy') ,and I dont want to wait! We are also members of netflix.... have 'storefront hitchcock' on my q! own edward scissorhands a clockwork orange singles, y'know the classics! the other nice thing about dvd players is that they read more info than the conventional cd player( 24 bit rather than 16 bit) so that you can hear more sound, the 20 bit remasters were designed to be heard in this way! - -Stephen On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > on 4/20/01 5:24 PM, Stephen Mahoney at stephenm@multcolib.org wrote: > > > so I take it that there are no ( admitted) dvd owners out there? > > I've got a select few that I actually own: "Repo Man", "Spinal Tap", "Asian > Anal Fantasies", etc.. You know, the classics. But I also subscribe to > netflix (http://www.netflix.com), which is an online DVD rental service. > They've got pretty much everything - and no late fees. For the record, I've > got a Dolby Digital sound system and all my video is run over S-Video. > There's no way I'll watch anything on VHS again. > > If I may toot my own horn a little further, I'm very excited that I just > figured out how to rout my 802.11 wireless LAN over my internal 100 base-T > network and out my DSL while connected through my employers 128-bit VPN. > Woohoo!! > > Christ, I'm a geek, > -tc > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Oh no! They burned down my favorite McDonalds! On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, pat welker wrote: > And I consider myself Mary Poppins. But only on Saturday night... It's pretty > easy to believe anything when your ideas aren't challenged... Eddie's ideas are constantly challenged. And he's constantly up to the challenge. Moreover, he doesn't resort to personal remarks, unlike you. > Chris: > > > On the other hand, I am quite sure that all the rock-throwing > >testosterone-soaked 21-year-old anarchists in their black bandannas had a > great time, and they will no doubt cherish memories of the Battle of > Quebec in twenty years when they're all stockbrokers and lawyers and > college professors. > > When they're not busy beating up their wives or abusing their children. Again, > they've crossed the line. They're capable of physical violence. The only thing > they need to do is rationalize it, like they (wrongly) did here. You don't know any anarchists, do you? Beating up their wives... you're hilarious, you know that? > I'm not against violence. Not at all. If it weren't for the stuff, we'd all be > living under an Iron Fist or something. I simply got tired of the moral > condescending wank going on here. Yeah, I guess you're not against violence...just violence against McDonalds. Woo, what a stance. Bravo. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Worst joke of the week The Mighty HAL wrote: > Jason Wilson Brown and his University of Washington - Seattle, WA sig > file: > > > im just saying if you are gonna continue slagging on old punks (which is > > your perogative) than at least slag a real old punk to slag rather than > > old 80's trash. > > Will my "Shane MacGowan's Vomit" post from a couple weeks ago do? And, close but that was just regualr bitching > you still have not yet defined what constitutes a "Real Old Punk". someone that was a punk that was old. Or even better some one that crusty old punk fans would call a punk. > PS - Slag a real old punk to slag? you only wish you knew! ok i need to proofread more. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Put your faith in death because it's free" -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Peter Buck arrested wow! now I can see that happening if he were flying through the americas( esp. chicago!). my only three flights into europe heathrow and charles deguile(sp) in paris were wonderful flights. even managed to find a chiropractor in paris( and I would highly recommend him!). anyone else have bad flight experiences in europe? On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Rob wrote: > Peter Buck was arrested at Heathrow over an alleged > 'air rage' incident. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/new > sid_1290000/1290231.stm > > That should all be on one line of course. > > > -- > Rob > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:38:45 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: the encyclopedia of everything nasty At 01:19 PM 4/24/2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: >the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per >year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you >will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six >elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to >the size of a car! What I find particularly interesting/fascinating about this information, if it is close to true, is how very much food must be assimilated into our bodies -- stored as fat, consumed for energy, etc. -- because the difference between the size of "a car" and that of "six elephants," is of course, *signfiicant*. * C. Aaron Lowe mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net http://aaron.hollowstreets.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: In Defence of "Pulse of My Heart" On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > well I have no property taxes and live within the Mult. Co. I am > experiencing no charge that I know of........ oh yeah forgot about renters........would that be yourself? > > Yeah- I can get a bit goofy with the online services the library provides. > Sometimes I waddle out of my local branch and labor home on my bicycle with > more materials than I can handle. damn point and click world! I have to cut myself off at 60 items altogether and 40 holds placed otherwise it gets out of hand working here 40 hrs a week and all. I have interlibrary loans coming out of my ears........wish I had more time to veg....... > ruled by cats, eh? how many? our brood has topped out at 4 and they are > all a bit moody and restless since my wife and I are hardly ever home to > administer their proper allotment of affection or outside play time. > > K two rather demanding cats who will be on the phone with k.s.d. kitty services division when we least expect it. "I have to get a pair of cat handcuffs and I have to get them right away" - -steve martin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:48:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: same subject line as every other post today James Dignan: >'scuse me from putting in a slightly dissing voice here, but the extent to >which they succeeded is probably measurable by the extent to which people >on mailing lists discuss them rather than discussing the fact that sickfuck >kids can take guns to school and shoot up their classmates. Wow! I believe I've been on four different mailing lists with James during various periods, and this is the first time I've EVER seen our beloved, flag-waving academic become "crude." ;) Petulant Deadhead, shredding the last tatters of his respectability: >Well, as admittedly fascinating as it is watching Punks Growing Old, >this thread's duration *certainly* won't be as ongoing as your fey >Rupert Wainwright harangues. I noticed you! You WIN!! Eb, sadly watching The Jeme & Viv Show turn the list unreadable again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:48:01 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: the movie madness madness On Fri, Apr 20, 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > so I take it that there are no ( admitted) dvd owners out there? I have Laserdisc, DVD, VHS, and DSS. Does that make me a SUPER geek? :) And any DVD people who make fun of Laserdisc, tell me if YOU have the Star Wars Trilogy Special Editions! HAH! :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:50:35 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Withnaill and Vurt on DVD On Sat, Apr 21, 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > Withnaill and I: > > I have never seen it, but I want to -- it is mentioned constantly in > the Preacher comic, and apparently it's Garth Ennis' favorite movie. > And anything that's cool for Garth is cool for me. (Except that thing > with the armadillos.) I have Withnail and I on laserdisc. Any NY Fegs are welcome to come over and watch it. Awesome movie. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the encyclopedia of everything nasty On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron L. wrote: > At 01:19 PM 4/24/2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > >the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per > >year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you > >will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six > >elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to > >the size of a car! > > What I find particularly interesting/fascinating about this information, if > it is close to true, is how very much food must be assimilated into our > bodies -- stored as fat, consumed for energy, etc. -- because the > difference between the size of "a car" and that of "six elephants," is of > course, *signfiicant*. Well, I noted first that it said you'd've eaten 33 tons of food and then it goes on to equate 33 tons as the size of six elephants... perhaps not the size in volume, but the size in mass. Next, we're talking about the total waste being "the size of a car" which could be volume instead of mass... density becomes important here. Lastly, we note that it only mentions waste which exist "from a certain orifice". Now, I'm not sure how you could pull something from an uncertain orifice (or push something out one), so I guess it means the least mentionable orifice. In that case, we're also excluding all of the water extracted from food that leaves a different orifice. Or it could just mean the waste that comes out your left ear. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: same subject line as every other post today On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eb wrote: > Eb, sadly watching The Jeme & Viv Show turn the list unreadable again Hey, you're welcome to bait whomever you like into entering a flame war with you. That should hold your attention. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: RE: peaceful & violent On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > > >but if we all stopped driving...they'd be up shit creek. > > > > Amen to that. Or at least amen to ending dependencies on fossil fuels. > > Ahem. That's not going to cut it. > > Energy is energy. And when you're talking about moving your self, > whatever cargo you think you need for the trip AND a vehicle designed to > travel high speeds and survive impact, etc, you're talking about more > energy than any individual should really feel they have the right to use > at their discretion. > > Public transportation and human powered transportation are the way to > go. Public transportation divides the energy of moving the vehicle by the > number of passengers it moves and protects. Human powered transportation > is inherently limited in energy consumption. > > > Getting rid of the Big Three's lobbyists against alternative energy > > sources is the first step. I do the max( portland areas train system) and buses- I have no car. we also do car sharing. we have that on taken care of, at least. has anyone read ishmael by daniel quinn? not a great literary work, but some it has some really great ideas about humankind! > > I don't really think this exists anymore. The oil companies are doing all > the market control. > > And, of course, the energy companies know they need to move from fossil > fuels but aren't going to do it until the governments are willing to pick > up the whole tab for the changeover. > > > The second is to coerce someone into mass producing not just fuel > > cells but regenerative ones, and you'll be onto something. > > Well, break out the chemistry set, kiddo, and get cracking. > > > Is it going to happen? Not until it has to. > > It has to happen right now. The energy crisis has begun. Look around. > > > Will I give up driving? Nah. I'd have to give up my job and that > > would be cutting off my nose to spite my face. > > Your job is more important than the environment? The money you're making > today and the fun you have at work, etc., is more important than the long > term survival of our planet and the cancers and asthma being caused and > exacerbated by air pollution? > > That's one hell of a job. > > And anyway, it's a fucking cop out. I don't know any place of work that > isn't within five miles of residential areas... unless, of course, you're > in the forest service or work on strip mines. > > What you're really saying is that you want to keep your current home AND > your current job... and you wouldn't've voluntarily taken them at the same > time if it weren't for the car culture. > > And don't the busses take bikes where you live? > > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: The Commutative Property - - -----Original Message----- From: Capuchin Public transportation and human powered transportation are the way to go. Public transportation divides the energy of moving the vehicle by the number of passengers it moves and protects. Human powered transportation is inherently limited in energy consumption. - - -----Original Message----- >I can't argue with the mathematics but the major problem: this country's too >large. Sheesh, do you commute to North Dakota? What the heck does the size of the country have to do with anything? For the most part, the metropolitan areas here are similarly scaled to their European counterparts. There's just more of 'em. >Public transport won't work. Sorry. Not on a massive scale. <> I think that you're committing a fallacy in claiming that all government-run public transportation will suffer from certain afflictions, which privatized versions will cure. Furthermore, your point isn't even germane. I remain unconvinced. >I live in western CT. I work in central CT. Housing costs are too >expensive in the center of the state. Yes, there are areas where I could >afford a place but, frankly, they're crap. Is that snobbery? Perhaps. If >I can afford to live in a decent area with low/no crime and a good standard >of living why the Hell wouldn't I? I'm just not that altruistic. >(*Definition: behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be >harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species*) So you don't see a benefit to yourself, personally, in: a.) decreased transportation costs b.) shortening your commute time and distance c.) either having time for reading or writing or whatever (if you used public transportation) or getting the health benefits of exercise and physical fitness (if you opted for a human-powered vehicle). d.) decrease maintenance costs/downtime e.) decreased dependence on foreign oil f.) decreases in particulates/photochemical smog g.) future climatic stability >If I could work from home, believe me, I would. If I could afford a place >near work and save myself a seventy minute round trip commute every day, I >would. Fact is: I've got a decent job and a decent rent. But how much would you save without a car, or by participating in a car-sharing program (if one is available in your area)? Is it possible that you might be able to afford a nicer place closer to work if you didn't have a car payment, an insurance payment, gas costs, etc.? Is it even worth it to you to add up these costs or is the country just "too large" to even try? For my part, if I had an X hour commute (for some very large X), I would find the prospect of a nicer place, closer to work, not having to be trapped in a metal box, and more disposable income to be incredibly enticing. Maybe that's just me, though. >Am I going to ditch a programming gig to bag groceries just to save a >commute? Gee, nice straw man. Pretty nice to have a single patently stupid option on hand to protect you from having to consider any potentially realistic possibilities. But you yourself said that you have another possibility -- that there were neighborhoods you could afford to live in that were closer to work, but that you found distasteful. So, now you have three options you could consider -- bag groceries closer to where you are now, or move to an area you don't like that's closer to work, or just keep on doing what you're doing. You may not like your second option any better than your first, fair enough, but hey, now you've increased your number of choices by FIFTY PERCENT! And, what do you want to bet, now that we've discovered one choice, there'll be more out there? I do not mean to excoriate you for making choices that you may legitimately have been forced to make. I am just trying to point out that from where I sit, it looks an awful lot like you've only weighed other options to the extent that your conclusion reinforces your conception of the status quo as the best of all possible worlds. If I am wrong about this, I most humbly beg your pardon. But I just want to point out that a more intent round of option-weighing and problem-solving might yield outcomes where everyone wins. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:15:15 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: the encyclopedia of everything nasty At 01:58 PM 4/24/2001, Capuchin wrote: >Or it could just mean the waste that comes out your left ear. I thought *I* was the only one with this problem. (*Breathing a sigh of relief.*) * C. Aaron Lowe mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net http://aaron.hollowstreets.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: look at the massacres on cable... I see potential cases all the time at our library kids come in and rather than learning to relate to one another or reading they come in and surf the web. it went from radio to tee vee to the internet............everyone learning to exist in their own bubble. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >>>Whereas one of the most important > >>>reasons the Columbine killers did what they did was just that - > >>>to become famous. And in that respect, they succeeded. > > 'scuse me from putting in a slightly dissing voice here, but the extent to > which they succeeded is probably measurable by the extent to which people > on mailing lists discuss them rather than discussing the fact that sickfuck > kids can take guns to school and shoot up their classmates. Discussing the > killers is just adding to their exposure. Ignore them. Refuse to discuss > them. If you must talk about anything, discuss how society got to the state > where it was ever allowed to happen in the first place. > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the encyclopedia of everything nasty On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron L. wrote: > At 01:58 PM 4/24/2001, Capuchin wrote: > >Or it could just mean the waste that comes out your left ear. > I thought *I* was the only one with this problem. (*Breathing a sigh of > relief.*) Actually, I was referring to YOUR problem with left ear waste. I think I even said so explicitly. I had to sit behind you as you drove with the window down, remember... J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:25:14 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Violence? Please do not burn down my favorite MacDonald's or come into my home and destroy my DVD player, set fire to my big-budget movies, and smash all my Al Gore statues with hammers. Please do not force me to work within a bus ride or walking distance from the job I want -- and I say that not as a New Yorker, but someone who grew up next to a farm and miles away from the nearest large town. Please do not label my tenuous rights as a gay man, a pregnant woman, or a simple tax payer as "selfish" in an attempt to marginalize them for the sake of some half-assed, self-righteous "higher plan" that has a zero percent chance of materializing in the midst of a complacent society. Please do not overturn the Coke truck that passes outside my window and dance on the burning wreck, and whatever you do, I beg you not to lob Molotov cocktails at any convention center. Please do not dismantle my cities and rebuild them around some idea espoused in a utopian work of fiction. See, I just have the weird feeling, you know, that by redefining the meaning of violence and by urban planning my life for me, well, I can't help but feel that I may get a bit scared, you know. Of anarchy, of riots, of conservative crackdowns, of burning libraries, of overturned police cars in the streets, of harmless men being dragged out of cars and beaten, of abortion clinics being bombed, of collectivization and forced relocations, and of the sense that my property is not my own, but subject the the "nonviolent" whims of the people who know how to live my life the best. You know, what comes around goes around, and if you are prepared to use violence and terror, be goddamn sure that you really want to live with the result. And make no bones about it, what some people are advocating on this list is terrorism. Despite the occasional rants from ivory-tower, privileged bourgeois hypocrites, we are not living in a Police State or some kind of Nazi Amerika. You start deciding that burning down the local MacDonald's is justifiable, I for one will not stand for it. In fact, the very idea sickens me. Violence escalates and gets out of control very quickly -- from the last Woodstock to Kent State to the LA Riots and so on. If you hate the system so much you don't feel you can work within it, then by all means drop out, join a religious commune and attend to your spiritual world, but if you start claiming you have the "courage" to admit that the time is ripe for a violent revolution, you just start sounding like another dangerous fanatic to me. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:27:48 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: same subject line as every other post today >Wow! I believe I've been on four different mailing lists with >James during various periods, and this is the first time I've >EVER seen our beloved, flag-waving academic become "crude." ;) Me too! And usually he's much more careful to quote the person he's *disagreeing* with when he sends in a contrary argument, instead of the other way around! And since I think he's right, I'll just shut up now. John "possibly having a bad hair day" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:35:20 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: 1978 Radar Demos I'm looking for a better copy of the Soft Boys 1978 Radar Records Demos: 1978 Radar Records Demos SB A--Human Music; Look Into Your Mirror; Which Of Us Is Me; Give Me A Spanner, Ralph; The Pigworker; The Return Of The Sacred Crab; Where Are The Prawns?; Sandra's Having Her Brain Out; Psychadelic Love; Let Me Put It Next To You; Blues In The Dark [X2]; The Rat's Prayer B--Vegetable Girl; Pretty Woman; Have A Heart Betty (I'm Not Fireproof); Wang Dang Pig; Alien; Old Pervert; Song In D [aka Instrumental In G]; (I Wanna) Appreciate You; Like A Real Smoothie; Rock 'n' Roll Radio Queen [X2]; The Lonesome Death Of Ian Penman; Wang Dang Pig; Alien [X2] I have 2 copies of this right now. The one I have from Eddie is a little better quality. I was hoping to get a better copy so I can master it, clean it up, beef it up and transfer it to CDR. These are a fine collection of tunes mostly and unfortunately unreleased in this form. I would be happy to make a copy for anyone interested(and for all who help!), once I get them finished. At this point the version I have is not even worthy of mastering, so if I can't find a better copy, I'll have to put the project on hold. Eddie, do you remember who you got your copy from? Please contact me off list. Nuppy np white lizard emerald roll _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #147 ********************************