From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #135 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 19 2001 Volume 10 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... [Stephen ] re: Feglist history [Ben ] worms ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: eBay must die ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: eBay must die [Mike Swedene ] Re: For the portlish fegs (now DVD) [steve ] [Ebmaniax] Another doubleheader [Eb ] Re: Another doubleheader [HAL ] Re: Feglist history [Charles Gillett ] Re: Detroit show ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] Re: Get Yer Steamy People Parts! (Or, "Me! ") ["Motherfucking Asshole] Never Mind The Pollocks, Heres The Pulse of My Heart ["Spring Cherry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... nah not bragging a bit about dvds or the brass just stating them. never been to england so I couldnt tell if brass were a faux or not but I could tell you that its smokier than I can stand these days( having quit two years ago). I couldnt breathe in heathrow, where I was stranded for 4 hours. the dvd is more durable than the video cassette( still cant play hockey with 'em though) and dvd burners are in the market (although extremely spendy at the moment the price most certainly will go down). cameron bay and bruckheimer are for the most part( terminators and abyss aside) entertainers for the popcorn crowd( and good at it), not serious filmakers.( my opinion) and they will continue to make more money than they are worth! ( still my opinion) dont know s-video coax or composite, but I do agree that as consumers we are given limitations in many ways- one of them being watching moving pictures in both our homes and elsewhere (eg. regal cinemas should be forced out of portland!) - -mahoney, owned by cats. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > yes,yes- another good place, indeedy! and its next to a black and tan > > and good fish and chips at the 'brass! > > -mahoney, a dvd owner. > I wouldn't go bragging about either of those. > > First, The Horse Brass is faux-english theme park at its worst. (Try Moon > & Sixpence... hell, even Rose & Thistle is preferable.) > > And DVD is nothing but a scam to remove the concept of "sale" and copying > from the private vocabulary. > > [If they REALLY wanted to give you better picture quality, why'd they > stick with S-Video, composite, and coax as your only choices for output?] > > [And if they REALLY wanted to give you better picture quality, they'd stop > giving money to Jerry Bruckheimer, Michael Bay, and James Cameron.] > > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:28:15 -0400 From: Ben Subject: re: Feglist history > >>including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a hole in a > >>girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her bedspread > >Only you would not understand why a rape and abuse survivor is upset to open > >a feglist mail and find it's actually a graphic story about killing a > >woman and fucking her through a hole in her skull. > When a story is that absurd, and totally removed from reality...bah. You > oughta be able to shrug off THAT. > You may now return to transforming every thread into a "How darling it is > to be a woman" discussion. > Get well soon, > Eb > np: "The Little Girl I Once Knew" Well if there's one positive thing that comes out of all of this, it's that Eb should soon have a good method for cleaning your shoes off after you have stepped in several piles of s--t in succession. ;-P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:49:37 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: worms >From: Aaron Mandel >This article made me realize that a lot of my ideas about eating meat are >somewhat unrealistic. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I figured that >people who eat a lot of meat get parasites all the time, and so they're >probably used to it. Since I was raised veggie, though, I figure I don't >have any moral high ground. A lot of people do seem to survive eating a lot of meat without ever discovering that they've taken on some extra passengers. So perhaps your original theory is correct and not totally blown out of the water by a single anecdote. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:39:23 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: eBay must die >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:31:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: eBay must die > >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: >> Um... Nooo...... I just like the current Robyn, who has been known to stop >> a concert to save a taper from "venue security" (though he didn't help me >> at irving plaza... too busy quizzing the audience about "Spinifex the >> hopping mouse") better than the old Robyn, who I'm told once broke >> someone's recorder. >> >> If the artist thinks it hurts, it hurts. > >Maybe I've been watching too many Sopranos episodes, but you sound like a >mob enforcer. > I quoted the following text from as close to the final official source as I've been able to find, and put this text in the liner for the Chicago show discs I've been sending out: "in fact the real thing to bootleg nowadays is the soundchecks and talking about bootlegs one of the really great things about this tour has been meeting the bootleggers, for example Ferris who gave me the missing tracks from Washington and well put them up on the site soon ... it is such bullshit, this precious "you are raping my creative vision stuff" - bootlegging mp3s is nothing to do with records and it is not napster, it is a whole new area, or rather a whole old one, since the Grateful Dead (as someone pointed out backstage tonight) - we definitely do not mind ..... I mean, this is only making permanent what would otherwise be up in smoke - JOIN IN, get the message ... all the creeps are is people who charge money for bootlegs because that is not the point either ..... except us, because we can!   Matthew Seligman http://www.underwatermoonlight.com/diary/nyc.html That last sentence says it all, and I don't mind spending the odd minute here and there, as a Phishhead might say, "keepin' it real." da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: eBay must die > > Isn't this kind of a waste of plastic? > > > > Well, if you'd read the text a bit more carefully, > you'd see that it was a > > sale of a cdrom that contained a text message that > was contained entirely > > in the body of the ad. Surely you can't expect > anyone to BID on such a > > thing? > > I dunno.... someone bid on Lars' integrity, you > remember. > > So you're saying I should lie in an auction and > misrepresent what I am > selling? Isn't that what I'm trying to stop? I seem to recall one of Moby's friends also was trying to sell Moby's integrity on eBay a few months back when PLAY came out. He joked when it was taken off that he realized now that MOBY had NO integrity since he sold the rights to all of his songs for commercials and that album is the most licensed album of all times. Oh well.... There's my 2 cents.... Herbie NP: The Beatles "30 Days" Disc 4 "Song Of Love" ________ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:36:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: For the portlish fegs (now DVD) On Wednesday, April 18, 2001, at 06:27 PM, Capuchin wrote: > And DVD is nothing but a scam to remove the concept of "sale" and copying > from the private vocabulary. > > [If they REALLY wanted to give you better picture quality, why'd they > stick with S-Video, composite, and coax as your only choices for output?] They didn't - the higher end decks have component outputs. But they are trying to use the coming HDTV standards to prevent digital recording. And isn't Microsoft helping them *and* getting ready to try to kill MP3s via Windows XP? (So what's new?). - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:50:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [Ebmaniax] Another doubleheader Well, I wasn't at all optimistic about being able to see two shows last night, due to conflicting set times. But it managed to work out, probably due to a certain performer's notorious unreliability. First, I returned to the much-discussed Knitting Factory for yet another somewhat retro, "elder generation" show. Going to the Knitting Factory has almost become like a conceptual "Eighties Night" for me. This time, the artist was David Thomas & Two Pale Boys. Just in case the name doesn't ring a bell for some of you, Thomas is better known as the frontman of Pere Ubu (really, he's more part of the *'70s* generation). The opening act was someone named "Ferdinand." I missed seeing him. I saw a flyer which said his website is at http://listen.to/ferdinand, so I'll check the URL later and cross my fingers that he doesn't sound wonderful. Thomas' set wasn't quite as sparsely attended as last year's desolate Chris Knox show, but it was awfully close. No more than 50 people. This may be another example of the Hitchcock-vs.-Soft-Boys syndrome -- I'm sure that a "Pere Ubu" performance would draw much heavier attendance. (Pere Ubu actually *did* play a big "anniversary show" at the Knitting Factory in recent times, but I missed it. Thus, I can't provide any firm statistics.) It had a pretty impressive celebrity turn-out, considering the empty room: One of the first people I saw upon entering was Van Dyke Parks, whose presence was undoubtedly motivated by the *great* "Surf's Up" cover on the new Thomas/Boys album of the same name. I also spotted both Frank Black and George Wendt on the club's guest list, but if they ever showed up, I didn't see them. Wendt really seems to be into this stuff -- I've seen his name connected with hip alternative bands, quite a few times. I did see one familiar fan whom I always see at Hitchcock shows, but I'm not sure if he's part of the Feglist gang or not. Kinda plump, half-bald, glasses, mustache and beard? Anyway.... Here's where I mention this was my first time seeing Thomas as a solo act, though I've seen Pere Ubu four or five times. I might've enjoyed seeing Thomas with the "Wooden Birds" or "Pedestrians" more, but no, this was Two Pale Boys. Yes, the name is descriptive. This was just a trio, with no bass or drums. One guitarist, and then one gent who played trumpet with one hand, while using his other hand to fiddle with delay boxes and effects. Thomas played his usual sailor's-hornpipe melodeon on some songs, but mostly he sang without an instrument. For reasons which went unexplained, he spent about half the show wearing what appeared to be a shiny red barbecue apron. Okey dokey. He was also barefoot, and occasionally flicked switches on his effects pedals with those fat l'il piddies. Thomas is a spontaneous, eccentric performer anyway, but this show was extra peculiar. I got the feeling like he approached the night from a "Nobody's here...let's explore some weird shit" perspective. Which isn't such a bad thing, in his case. Surprisingly few songs were played from the new Surf's Up album -- not even "Surf's Up." Sorry, Van Dyke (he left after only a half hour -- later, I overheard someone say VD wasn't feeling well). In fact, I only directly recognized one album track ("Man in the Dark"), though there may have been another one. Several times, Thomas mentioned an "opera" he's working on for performances overseas, and I believe many of the songs were taken from this. It's hard to describe the songs -- the music often seemed improvised. Thomas even gave the musicians amusing on-the-spot directions, sometimes. I wish I could remember exactly what he said. For one song he told the trumpeter to start playing something which "sounds like the score for a sitcom made about my life, except it's sad" (I'm paraphrasing). For an earlier song, he told the guitarist, mmmm...something about mist rising from the swampland, along with some other abstract details. Can't recall. But it was funny, seeing the musicians doing their best to supply these directed moods (and doing a pretty fair job of it). I had a difficult time, following the lyrics. Thomas has such an unusual voice that 1) his lyrics aren't always intelligible 2) the inherent drama and textural quirks of his voice are so fascinating, I often end up listening to *those* rather than the actual lyrics! Heh. I just don't feel confident discussing his subject matter on this night, so I won't. Mea culpa. Sometimes, he read the lyrics off a few stapled pages of paper held in his outstretched hand, and sometimes he just theatrically boomed the words with his usual entertaining gestures and movements. The guitarist wasn't particularly notable -- I'll just say that he was more prone to play lonely, single-note lines than actual chords. The trumpeter was far more interesting, however. He was somewhat working in a Frippertronics mode, where he'd play a brief snippet (sometimes, just a simple *breath* into the instrument), get that snatch to repeat and then add lines on top of it. One of the best parts of the night was near the end, where he "sang" a long, wordless solo into some sort of microphone located on the bell of his trumpet. I have no idea what gizmo he was using, but the result sounded just like that tweedling, flying-saucer sound you hear in '50s sci-fi films. Thomas even stopped in the middle of the song to ask him "just this once" to sing the theme from "Star Trek." The trumpeter didn't know the melody, so Thomas had the guitarist attempt to play it himself as a guideline. Ha. The trumpeter made a feeble attempt at it, which nevertheless made the crowd roar (well, as loud as 50 people can roar). The audience was totally "with" Thomas, but there were just so darn few of us. Still, it was a nice change after the hemmed-in mob of the Soft Boys' gig. After the show, the "Boys" mostly disappeared, but Thomas (with his usual profuse sweat stains) wearily stood against the front edge of the stage with a box of Surf's Up CDs to sell. There was this funny moment where he picked his spot, exhaled resignedly and closed his eyes...it was like he was taking a quick moment to tell himself, "OK David, you've gotta meet the fans now and hawk your wares. Be good, please?" And as soon as someone approached him, then he "awoke" and started chatting and selling discs. This is a quite good album if you're into this sort of thing, by the way. It's vaguely more "electronic" than most Thomas releases, due to the trumpet effects and an unusual degree of filtering on his voice. I definitely like it more than Bay City, his 2000 album with yet another temporary band, "Foreigners." The "Surf's Up" version really grabs me, too - -- it's about nine minutes, and unlike many Beach Boys covers, it gets all the chords (*and accompanying inversions*) correct! Yet it's not just a copycat version, because Thomas' vocal interpretation is so distinctly his own. It's an intense, dramatic album with lots of eerie space to fill, thanks to the missing rhythm section. I like it. Good gawd, this report is already up to 7K. I figured I would be brief, this time. No such luck. OK, onto part two (gulp). I left the Knitting Factory at a brisk walk, at about 11:45 am. All week, I was wondering if I could see the Thomas set and then dash down Sunset Boulevard to the Viper Room, to see a special show by...Shane MacGowan & the Popes. It didn't sound possible, theoretically. I had been told Thomas would start around 10:30, and that MacGowan would start at 11 or 11:30. A major overlap there, and I would have to zoom west across town before I could see MacGowan. But...somehow it worked. I drove across town (plentiful traffic lights and all), and got to the Viper Room around 12:05. Two visual highlights from the road: a Mercedes Benz with the license plate "LAWSUIT," and another car with a bumper sticker saying "Genitorturers Sodomized My Honor Student." OK, that captures the breadth of Hollywood pretty well. ;) Surprise, surprise...I got to the Viper Room before MacGowan started. Now, be advised that this concert was part of a new, weekly Tuesday-night program at the Viper Room, modestly called "The International Society for Good Music." This replaces the former "Atmospheres" night, which was all about techno DJs. The ISFGM is mostly the project of veteran scenester (and Thelonious Monster leader) Bob Forrest, and rather than necessarily "Good Music," the bookings so far seem to be "Aging, Formerly Acclaimed College-Rock Artists Who Are Bob's Old Friends." Yup, it's Eighties Night again! I believe the next show involves the John Doe Thing, but I'm not sure. This was only the third ISFGM show, however, so it's hard to draw any strong conclusions about the bookings. The club has an interesting system in operation, for this series of shows. There's no guest list, but the admission is a paltry $7 (MacGowan played at the new Anaheim House of Blues a couple of days ago -- *that* show cost $23.50). And once you go to one show, you get a membership card which entitles you to a $5 admission in future weeks. So, the first thing which happened was that someone took my money and made a laminate membership card for me, and then someone else entered my name/address into a computer database for distributing future concert announcements. I'm not even inside the club yet, when this happened. Still on the street! Once I had my trusty membership card, I went inside and walked up the stairs to the main room (about a 150-person capacity, I think?). The opening band was Paloalto, whom I also missed. I had mixed feelings about their American/Columbia debut album (yup, another Radiohead clone), but a few tracks were quite strong. I would've enjoyed seeing a chunk of that band's set, but it didn't happen. Oh well. I was amazed enough that I hadn't missed MacGowan himself. In fact, he didn't start for another 20 minutes, so I hung out in the DJ booth and talked with my previously mentioned friend "Lawndart." His recent passion is to goodnaturedly lambast me for not owning certain crowd-pleasing classics which he plays on club nights. I probably own twice as many albums as he does, but every time I see him, he makes me feel like I just have 25 discs in a little shoebox by my bed. Heh. Tonight's prime target albums were Lynyrd Skynyrd's One More for the Road ("it's fuckin' SKYNYRD!") and AC/DC's Let There Be Rock. Sorry, no sale. MacGowan finally hit the stage, around 12:30 am. Mmmm...what can you say about Shane MacGowan which hasn't been already said? He held a cigarette and drink in his hand for the whole show, and he's a bit heavier than he used to be. He was wearing a black, button-up, untucked shirt to hide his gut. The Popes are a five-piece band, and the only "traditional" instrumentation was provided by the accordionist. Wow, two squeeze boxes in one night! The other players were purely guitars and drums -- no pennywhistle, fiddle or anything like that. The band's strong musicianship compensated for MacGowan's somewhat slack vocals, but he did seem in better shape than the last time I saw him, several years ago. I don't think he was blowing any lyrics, and that's good enough when it comes to him. Slurring prevented me from understanding many words, and I wish there had been a couple more ballads, but the music was lots of fun in this noisy club environment. The place was stuffed (this room is half the size of the Knitting Factory, yet there were three times as many people), and the crowd was predictably gungho and wild. The two Pogues tunes I definitely recognized were "Dirty Old Town" and "Pair of Brown Eyes," but I can't supply any song titles beyond those two. I definitely enjoyed myself. This was Lawndart's first time seeing MacGowan in any context, and I hope he enjoyed himself too. Blondie's Clem Burke and Jimmy Destri were in the house (interesting, since Debbie Harry and Chris Stein were across the country, at Joey Ramone's funeral), and I spent most of the night standing next to someone whom Lawndart subsequently informed me was Johnny "MTV Jackass" Knoxville. I've only seen about half of one "Jackass" episode, so I didn't really have anything to say to him. (Something tells me that I wouldn't have anything to say to him, even if I had seen *every* episode. ;)) There wasn't much chance to say hi to MacGowan after the show, because he quickly plunked down on a couch in the management office and faded back into a stupor. I didn't get home until quite late...a long night. I shall conclude this little tale, at this point. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:41:03 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Another doubleheader > what can you say > about Shane MacGowan which hasn't been already said? Nothing. I will report that he vomited twice on stage at the Chicago date. Then, the audience played in the vomit. After hearing that, I'm glad I skipped the Denver show, especially since there was no pennywhistle. Give up the booze, Shane, and sing more ballads. Old "punks". Brrr. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:28:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: Feglist history On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:32:00 -0700 (PDT), Capuchin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: >> I will also vouch for Susan's fortitude in that she does not get all >> nauseous and offended when she sees the tops of someone's boobs. > > Nor the undersides, if I recall. ! :-o Isn't that from a Neutral Milk Hotel song? "And I knew the world was over so I took a look outside and watched the fires that were reaching up to the weather vanes and the tops of boobs...." Ow! Fiery boobs! - -- Charles was playing: Eugene Chadbourne, _Piramida Cu Povesti_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:27:55 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: Detroit show same reason i didn't much care for new york and san francisco either: crappy mix, too hot. but i did think detroit was a very good show. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:25:14 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: Get Yer Steamy People Parts! (Or, "Me! ") actually, under the "Trade Related Intellectual Property" provisions of the gatt, they not only can't sell them in the u.s., but can't sell them anywhere else (except non-signatory countries, i guess), nor can they even USE them themselves! indeed. get rid of profits, and there's no incentive to patent either. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:58:07 -0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Never Mind The Pollocks, Heres The Pulse of My Heart Walker talker: >Jackson Pollock's psychiatrist sold the drawings and paintings >Jackson >did while in therapy ... He claimed patient confidentiality didn't >apply, >the work was ART and >therefore not a true tool of therapy. Of course the work BECAME art >when >they became more valuable than the therapy that was an attempt >to get >Pollock to quit drinking and live a better/happier life, and >it was the >doc cashing the checks after all. Funny how the definition >of what >something actually is changes when money gets involved. ["It >depends on >what your definition of 'is' is."] In my neverHO that shrink should have had his liesence revoked. Were there any charges that could have been brought agaist him? How did Pollack's estate react? If he really thought the world needed to see them as ART--he could have donated them to a museum or sold them to benifit some worthy cause--like a program to help impeconious artists kick addictions. Self-serving specious reasoning does justice to nothing but what it is;-) EB wrote of Susan turning: >every thread into a "How darling it is to be a woman" discussion Now wait a second. Thats my territory. Dont I get any credit for that? Damn! Nuppy: >In Detroit the emphasis on Sideways was more on Robyn's spider guitar > >riff. Still loved it just the same. This song is truelly better live > >than on record. I can't say the same >for Airscape. I've alawys thought Airscape worked better on record >than >live, although it really is a beautiful song. I hate to say bad >things >about the stuff I love but, Evil Guy was kinda weak live. >Maybe not if I >hadn't already heard the Egyptians studio version, but >again it's still a >great song. Yes, Sideways is so strong live. I never liked it that much before and now I love it. Disagree bout Airscape. Its different live(sorta has to be) but still floats me up off the floor. Also--I think Evil Guy works. And I agree with Gray that Pulse of my Heart works. Just got a recording of the Boston show(thank you thank you oh made-man Bayard;-)and thats one I keep putting on repeat. Its catchy with incredible lyrics, the perfect pop song. >it should be a top 40 hit Yes its all been said before ... but bears repeating. Especially as a Soft Boy's(because theyre a great band)recording. I wonder what the studio recording of it sounds like... Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:15:55 -0400 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #134 - -------- Eb: ...stories published on the > Web...somewhere. > Interesting concept. Is there a difference between "publishing" on the web and simply found on the someones web site? - --------- Terrence Marks: > Well, I mean..he's got a rare condition and all, but doesn't the > credit > really belong to the scientists who actually _do_ something with > this and > the corporations that foot the cost of the research? They're not > selling > _him_ or parts of him or versions of him. They're selling drugs > influenced by a process they saw in his cells. It's not a nice > thing to > do, to cut him out of this, but I don't see this as a natural right. > and Kay: > >I think he'd have a really hard time claiming damages beyond a few > > >dollarsfor the needle puncture suffering, though. I mean, how > much > > >labor did this guy put into making those cancer cells > But if the cancer produced all this great stuff and the guy is > dieing from > cancer, then he used up his life energy producing them... > > This reminds me of a relavent story, some of you may have heard about: In 1951 a physician removed cells from the cervix of Henrietta Lacks, a 31 year old black woman from Baltimore, and sent the cells to a lab to determine if they were malignant. The cells were malignant and Henrietta Lacks died eight months later from cervical cancer. Henrietta Lacks' physician provided George and Margaret Gey of Johns Hopkins University with a sample of these cervical cancer cells. The sample of Henrietta Lacks' cells was code-named HeLa, for the first two letters of her first and last name. The HeLa cell cultures survived and multiplied so well in culture, that they were soon being shipped to research labs around the world for study. (last pararpah orginally written by Tom Cavanaugh). HeLa cells are so common, almost every cell biology lab in the world has/uses them. They have been involved, at some level, with countless medical breakthroughs. Now, the question isn't compensation for damages to her, but ROYALTIES to her family. After all, this is a cancer cell, and all cancers are different - so not just any cervical cell or cervical cancer cell would do. Same goes for the guy in the above story. I'm with you Kay, the benefits extracted from the death/disease of these people is FAR overlooked. (Please, don't tell my future employers I think so...at least not yet) (Besides - no one ever ASKED Henrietta, or her family, if it was OK to do this.) - -------- Bayard: > Isn't this kind of a waste of plastic? > Uh oh : -) (As long as they don't burn it after they're done, right?) - -------- TC: > On another note, I must agree with a caller on the Jim Rome show > today who > said that next to the NCAA tournament, the NHL playoffs are the > most > exciting games in sports. I've been _loving_ these games, > especially last > night's win by San Jose over St. Louis. Yeah! > YUCK! to both. ESPECIALLY Jim Rome. I can't decide who is more annoying: him or those stupid clones who call him. Go Pens! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #135 ********************************