From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #134 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 134 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: eBay must die [Capuchin ] Re: eBay must die [Capuchin ] Re: Taper Weenie Question ["Rob" ] For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... [Capuchin ] Re: Taper Weenie Question ["da9ve stovall" ] re: Feglist history (5% Lisa Loeb) [Christopher Gross ] re: Feglist history (0% skullfucking content) [Glen Uber ] Re: eBay must die [Bayard ] re: Feglist history ["victorian squid" ] re: Feglist history [Viv Lyon ] Re: colorforms, kevin [Aaron Mandel ] Detroit show [Tom Clark ] re: Feglist history [Eb ] Re: Another Soft FTP server.... ["Maximilian Lang" ] re: Feglist history (5% Lisa Loeb) [Capuchin ] Re: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... [Capuchin] re: Feglist history [Capuchin ] Re: eBay must die [Capuchin ] Re: Detroit show ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Another Soft FTP server (Detroit) [Tom Clark ] Re: Detroit show ["brian nupp" ] In Defence of "Pulse of My Heart" ["Ian Gray" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: eBay must die On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > Interesting fegtrivia: no-one has ever tried to get Eb kicked off the > list. Who has anyone ever tried to "get kicked off the list"? I mean, beside Butch. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: eBay must die On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > That's very nice of you to be so concerned with not wasting eBay's > time, but I am against bootlegs on principle, and furthermore, I would > not blame any musician in the LEAST if he went from cheerful allowing > of taping, to Fripplike Hatred of All Tapers. And that is how I would > feel, if I were a musician who was far from rich, who saw or heard > about CD-Rs of his shows selling on eBay for ridiculous prices. Um... do you BELIEVE that people who buy CD-Rs of "live" recordings on ebay are spending money that they would have otherwise spent on legitimate releases? Now, I do understand that it's ILLEGAL to SELL CD-Rs that contain another's copyrighted material... and that's all well and good. But in the limited quantities we're talking about on ebay (and the target audiences for which they aim), I don't see how it actually HURTS the artist. > I am not really concerned with the "idiot who pays for what he could > get for free." I suppose now that you mention it, I do feel kind of > sorry for them too.... I DO understanding feeling for these people... and that's why I think it's a good idea to go ahead and put up an ebay auction to sell "A CDROM of useful information" with a title very much like the one you're trying to stop. And sell it for a dollar. And in the body you can say "This is a CDROM containing a single text file that contains exactly the following data (and the following data only): On the Fegmaniax Mailing List, there are many people willing to provide live Robyn Hithcock, Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians, and Soft Boys recordings in exchange for only blank media and postage! Thanks." J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:27:17 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Taper Weenie Question On 18 Apr 2001, at 16:54, The Great Quail wrote: > I am out of CD-Rs, but I have a stack of blank, unused CD-RWs. If I > use those to burn a few CDs, am I risking anything in quality or > degradation? > > Oooh, what a question from me! > > --Q A lot of older cd systems can't read CDRW, my AIWA for example. I'm no expert, but I think there's a difference in the amount of light reflected. www.roxio.com is a good site for finding answers to cd burning questions. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, victorian squid wrote: > I always used to say "I wish video stores would have -director- > sections". This one does. I love it even tho "Ghost Dog" is always > out. > clinton st. video's neighbor I just want to say that I miss Soho Video. Good sections and nice people and snacks. And yet, the last thing I rented there was Tron. Hmmm. Hey, Susan, have you kids been over to Movie Madness yet? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:36:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Feglist history (5% Lisa Loeb) Capuchin: >Who has anyone ever tried to "get kicked off the list"? Awhile back, there was that guy who posted a few malicious salvos of porn, including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a hole in a girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her bedspread for the rest of the day. He got booted, didn't he? That's the only one I can remember. Then there was that abrasive ska fan with the creepy "mouse" obsession (i.e., girls who wear glasses), who was basically *chased* off.... ;) Otherwise, I don't think this list has featured any controversial participants. Nope, not a one. >I mean, beside Butch. Bayard: >check this guy out! he's kind of a combination of joel mullins and livia. Livia! Damn, I forgot about her. What happened to her? She was great! Fascinatingly tweaked. Though, she was much more "normal" in private email. Double damn: I used to know her real name, and I've forgotten that too. I just remember that she had some sci-fi short stories published on the Web...somewhere. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:42:03 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Re: Taper Weenie Question >From: The Great Quail >Subject: Taper Weenie Question > >I am out of CD-Rs, but I have a stack of blank, unused CD->RWs. If I use those to burn a few CDs, am I risking >anything in quality or degradation? > >Oooh, what a question from me! > >- --Q I'm a taper weenie! Using CD-RWs in place of CD-Rs should pose no issue as far as loss of quality is concerned - if a drive can read CD-RW, it can read it, presumably, with bit-perfection. The practical downside is that the vast majority of audio CD players (portables, stereo components, etc.) and a fair numbe of CD-ROM drives (especially older than about a year) won't play them, because they can't read CD-RW media. (Some do, and they're becoming more common - look for the "Multi-Read Compatible" logo on CD-ROM drives, or some notation of CD-RW compatibility on audio gear - Panasonic makes the cheapest portable CD-RW-capable disc player, and it kicks ass at fifty bucks.) So, if the person you're trading with expects the disc to be playable on his/her stereo, s/he'll probably be outtaluck; of course, s/he'd be perfectly able to make a COPY of that disc (assuming CD-RW-drive capability on a computer or standalone burner) for playing on audio gear. The obvious courteous thing to do would be to ask whoever you're trading with if they mind. cheers, da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: re: Feglist history (5% Lisa Loeb) On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Eb wrote: > Then there was that abrasive ska fan with the creepy "mouse" > obsession (i.e., girls who wear glasses), who was basically *chased* > off.... ;) By YOU, as I recall! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... yes,yes- another good place, indeedy! and its next to a black and tan and good fish and chips at the 'brass! - -mahoney, a dvd owner. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > Hey, Susan, have you kids been over to Movie Madness yet? > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin > the average person eats about three pounds of food a day, 1095 pounds per year. by the time you blow out the candles on your 70th birthday cake, you will have eaten 33 tons of food, or a pile about the size of six elephants. Your total waste exiting from a certain orifice will amount to the size of a car! - -"the encyclopedia of everything nasty" Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:52:47 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: fair play I am not a lawyer, nor am I much good at trying to think like one. But I understand this Greek idea, which is as tied to our feelings as our intellect. My feelings, most people's feelings, are outraged by the thought of a sick man being exploited like this by someone whom he trusted. What I find sad is that the doctor and whoever he was working with would act like that. Its not so much that money will be made as the fact that these people have violated their own integrity, even thou they are probobly not capable of experiencing of it as such. Still, they have lessened themselves by lessening another. - ---> Jackson Pollock's psychiatrist sold the drawings and paintings Jackson did while in therapy after he died in a car crash. The quack made a mint. He claimed that the artistic value of the work outweighed their theraputic merits and thus patient confidentiality didn't apply, the work was ART and therefore not a true tool of therapy. Of course the work BECAME art when they became more valuable than the therapy that was an attempt to get Pollock to quit drinking and live a better/happier life, and it was the doc cashing the checks after all. Funny how the definition of what something actually is changes when money gets involved. ["It depends on what your definition of 'is' is."] Or as my friend said about the best paying job of baseball: a quote from an old school ball player noted that after the national anthem they do not say, "work ball." They might as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: re: Feglist history (0% skullfucking content) On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Eb wrote: >Awhile back, there was that guy who posted a few malicious salvos of >porn, including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a >hole in a girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her >bedspread for the rest of the day. He got booted, didn't he? That's the >only one I can remember. That was Butch from Utah, wasn't it? >Then there was that abrasive ska fan with the creepy "mouse" obsession >(i.e., girls who wear glasses), who was basically *chased* off.... ;) That would be Cliff from Las Vegas. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: eBay must die On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > True story: man in California (let's call him "Moore," since that was his > surname) develops rare cancer. Moore's doctor realizes, in the course of > treatment, that Moore's body is producing an extraordinary amount of > interlukin (sp?) in response to the cancer. Doctor realizes that Moore's > cells could be used to develop genetically engineered cell lines worth > countless billions to companies trying to produce cancer drugs. Doctor > takes a few extra samples, not stictly speaking, needed for treatment > purposes. Moore finds out that he is being used and sues. California > Supreme Court says -- sorry, dude (i'm paraphrasing here -- I think the > opinion said "outta luck, man"), but your body is not a commodity, so you > cannot sue for "theft" of your precious bodily fluids Well, I mean..he's got a rare condition and all, but doesn't the credit really belong to the scientists who actually _do_ something with this and the corporations that foot the cost of the research? They're not selling _him_ or parts of him or versions of him. They're selling drugs influenced by a process they saw in his cells. It's not a nice thing to do, to cut him out of this, but I don't see this as a natural right. > (worth starting a war over, though, right?), I don't get the reference. Wars started over women or ears, I can remember, but not bodily fluids. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: eBay must die On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > > That's very nice of you to be so concerned with not wasting eBay's > > time, but I am against bootlegs on principle, and furthermore, I would > > not blame any musician in the LEAST if he went from cheerful allowing > > of taping, to Fripplike Hatred of All Tapers. And that is how I would > > feel, if I were a musician who was far from rich, who saw or heard > > about CD-Rs of his shows selling on eBay for ridiculous prices. > > Um... do you BELIEVE that people who buy CD-Rs of "live" recordings on > ebay are spending money that they would have otherwise spent on legitimate > releases? Um... Nooo...... I just like the current Robyn, who has been known to stop a concert to save a taper from "venue security" (though he didn't help me at irving plaza... too busy quizzing the audience about "Spinifex the hopping mouse") better than the old Robyn, who I'm told once broke someone's recorder. > Now, I do understand that it's ILLEGAL to SELL CD-Rs that contain > another's copyrighted material... and that's all well and good. But in > the limited quantities we're talking about on ebay (and the target > audiences for which they aim), I don't see how it actually HURTS the > artist. If the artist thinks it hurts, it hurts. > > I am not really concerned with the "idiot who pays for what he could > > get for free." I suppose now that you mention it, I do feel kind of > > sorry for them too.... > > I DO understanding feeling for these people... and that's why I think it's > a good idea to go ahead and put up an ebay auction to sell "A CDROM of > useful information" with a title very much like the one you're trying to > stop. And sell it for a dollar. And in the body you can say "This is a > CDROM containing a single text file that contains exactly the following > data (and the following data only): Isn't this kind of a waste of plastic? =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:26:48 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: re: Feglist history - -- On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:36:05 Eb wrote: >including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a hole in a >girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her bedspread Only you would not understand why a rape and abuse survivor is upset to open a feglist mail and find it's actually a graphic story about killing a woman and fucking her through a hole in her skull. On my birthday, yet. I am not a little old lady from Dubuque and am not especially upset by graphic sicfic -when I am expecting to see it-. Susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: re: Feglist history On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, victorian squid wrote: > -- > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:36:05 Eb wrote: > > >including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a hole in a > >girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her bedspread > > Only you would not understand why a rape and abuse survivor is upset > to open a feglist mail and find it's actually a graphic story about > killing a woman and fucking her through a hole in her skull. On my > birthday, yet. Eb's unique in a lot of ways. > I am not a little old lady from Dubuque and am not especially upset by > graphic sicfic -when I am expecting to see it-. I will also vouch for Susan's fortitude in that she does not get all nauseous and offended when she sees the tops of someone's boobs. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: colorforms, kevin On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, victorian squid wrote: > So we're up to three fegs who could pick Kevyn Aucoin out of a lineup. > No one has cast me yet. So I don't know who will look stunning as me. I've only ever seen one picture of you, on Momus's site, but maybe the woman who played Natalie on Sports Night? > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/brainworm010410.html > > Fellow vegetarians, did you also have a brief miniscule twinge of > "told you so"? Please tell me you did. This article made me realize that a lot of my ideas about eating meat are somewhat unrealistic. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I figured that people who eat a lot of meat get parasites all the time, and so they're probably used to it. Since I was raised veggie, though, I figure I don't have any moral high ground. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:57:21 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Detroit show So I finally downloaded the entire thing, and after having listened to it I can't say it was a great performance. Can someone who was there refute me on this? It just sounded really uninspired. On another note, I must agree with a caller on the Jim Rome show today who said that next to the NCAA tournament, the NHL playoffs are the most exciting games in sports. I've been _loving_ these games, especially last night's win by San Jose over St. Louis. Yeah! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:04:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Feglist history >>including some ridiculous "alien" story about drilling/screwing a hole in a >>girl's skull which inexplicably sent Susan trembling under her bedspread > >Only you would not understand why a rape and abuse survivor is upset to open >a feglist mail and find it's actually a graphic story about killing a >woman and >fucking her through a hole in her skull. When a story is that absurd, and totally removed from reality...bah. You oughta be able to shrug off THAT. You may now return to transforming every thread into a "How darling it is to be a woman" discussion. Get well soon, Eb np: "The Little Girl I Once Knew" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:07:48 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Another Soft FTP server.... Is it just me and my shot in the ass hearing or are these all distorted? Max > >I've just been informed of this: > >ftp://softboys:livemp3@24.131.50.69:6510 > >It's the Detroit gig, with an upload folder for those who would like to >use it. Quite an embarassment of riches online these days... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:10:26 -0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Castration Cancer Hal, thanks for the parody of the Sims rant. It was delicious(even thou Ive never read Cerberus or the original rant, but basic castration-anxiety logic does tend to rant the same.) Its always so comforting to know that however messed up you are, there are people out there so much worse off. I think Ill go luxerate in some Blake now(the reconcilation of opposites. Yes!) Jeme By the way, love your sense of humor(and good luck charm)(yeah, I mean Viv, what did you think?) >I think he'd have a really hard time claiming damages beyond a few > >dollarsfor the needle puncture suffering, though. I mean, how much > >labor did this guy put into making those cancer cells But if the cancer produced all this great stuff and the guy is dieing from cancer, then he used up his life energy producing them... Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: Feglist history (5% Lisa Loeb) On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Eb wrote: > Awhile back, there was that guy who posted a few malicious salvos of porn, > >I mean, beside Butch. > See above. > Livia! Damn, I forgot about her. What happened to her? I believe she ended up in custody. But I can't say that I know whether or not she has received the care she needs. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: For the portlish fegs (others welcome to not understand)... On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > yes,yes- another good place, indeedy! and its next to a black and tan > and good fish and chips at the 'brass! > -mahoney, a dvd owner. I wouldn't go bragging about either of those. First, The Horse Brass is faux-english theme park at its worst. (Try Moon & Sixpence... hell, even Rose & Thistle is preferable.) And DVD is nothing but a scam to remove the concept of "sale" and copying from the private vocabulary. [If they REALLY wanted to give you better picture quality, why'd they stick with S-Video, composite, and coax as your only choices for output?] [And if they REALLY wanted to give you better picture quality, they'd stop giving money to Jerry Bruckheimer, Michael Bay, and James Cameron.] J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: Feglist history On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > I will also vouch for Susan's fortitude in that she does not get all > nauseous and offended when she sees the tops of someone's boobs. Nor the undersides, if I recall. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: eBay must die On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > Um... Nooo...... I just like the current Robyn, who has been known to stop > a concert to save a taper from "venue security" (though he didn't help me > at irving plaza... too busy quizzing the audience about "Spinifex the > hopping mouse") better than the old Robyn, who I'm told once broke > someone's recorder. > > If the artist thinks it hurts, it hurts. Maybe I've been watching too many Sopranos episodes, but you sound like a mob enforcer. "Look, alls I know is dat da boss, he don' like it... and I don' wanna piss off da boss. So I'm gonna go buss dem ebay punks." > Isn't this kind of a waste of plastic? Well, if you'd read the text a bit more carefully, you'd see that it was a sale of a cdrom that contained a text message that was contained entirely in the body of the ad. Surely you can't expect anyone to BID on such a thing? And even if some smartass DID bid, then you could probably email him and work something out... like emailing him the text file. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:24:46 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Detroit show >So I finally downloaded the entire thing, and after having listened to it I >can't say it was a great performance. Can someone who was there refute me >on this? It just sounded really uninspired. I for one found it to be one of the better shows (from the ones I have heard). It's the distortion that is slightly off putting. >On another note, I must agree with a caller on the Jim Rome show today who >said that next to the NCAA tournament, the NHL playoffs are the most >exciting games in sports. I've been _loving_ these games, especially last >night's win by San Jose over St. Louis. Yeah! > >-tc Well, they are if your team is winning!!! Max, A depressed Flyers fan :-( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:36:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Another Soft FTP server (Detroit) on 4/18/01 4:07 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Is it just me and my shot in the ass hearing or are these all distorted? They are a bit "crusty" in places. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: eBay must die On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > > Um... Nooo...... I just like the current Robyn, who has been known to stop > > a concert to save a taper from "venue security" (though he didn't help me > > at irving plaza... too busy quizzing the audience about "Spinifex the > > hopping mouse") better than the old Robyn, who I'm told once broke > > someone's recorder. > > > > If the artist thinks it hurts, it hurts. > > Maybe I've been watching too many Sopranos episodes, but you sound like a > mob enforcer. Nah.... Just a music fan who appreciates artists who don't go all Lars on our ass. Music wants to be free, monkey boy. > "Look, alls I know is dat da boss, he don' like it... and I don' wanna > piss off da boss. So I'm gonna go buss dem ebay punks." Ehhhhh, whatever. > > Isn't this kind of a waste of plastic? > > Well, if you'd read the text a bit more carefully, you'd see that it was a > sale of a cdrom that contained a text message that was contained entirely > in the body of the ad. Surely you can't expect anyone to BID on such a > thing? I dunno.... someone bid on Lars' integrity, you remember. So you're saying I should lie in an auction and misrepresent what I am selling? Isn't that what I'm trying to stop? =b np: um ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:57:59 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Detroit show >From: $11 sand witch on Detroit's show: >So I finally downloaded the entire thing, and after having listened to it I >can't say it was a great performance. Can someone who was there refute me >on this? It just sounded really uninspired. > I have yet to hear this download. but I was at both Detroit and then the next night in Chicago. I thought Chicago had a lot more energy. Just really good vibes. Maybe it has to due with the nice smoke before in the car, or maybe it had something to due with the sercurity gaurd frisking me and being cool about finding my microphone. In either event Chicago had at least 5 or 6 more times as many people as Detroit did. There were just more vibes there, and the one that came outta Kim's ebow guitar when they opened with Sideways was a good one. But were not talking about Chicago are we? Detroit also opened with Sideways, and had songs like: Leppo and the Jooves, Tonight and Airscape which Chicago lacked. In Detroit the emphasis on Sideways was more on Robyn's spider guitar riff. Still loved it just the same. This song is truelly better live than on record. I can't say the same for Airscape. I've alawys thought Airscape worked better on record than live, although it really is a beautiful song. I hate to say bad things about the stuff I love but, Evil Guy was kinda weak live. Maybe not if I hadn't already heard the Egyptians studio version, but again it's still a great song. Leppo and the Jooves and Tonight kicked! I felt Astronomy Domine was more powerful in Detroit. Could of been because it was the 1st time I'd heard it from them. It was just amazing! I still haven't heard a recorded version of this, but I will soon. Sometimes live recordings don't capture the essence of a live show, in fact it rarely does. Others will disagree, Eddie claimed to like Detroit better, although I never got a chance to hear his reasons, but I thought the Chicago show was more powerful. Eddie why did you enjoy the Detroit show more? Probably because you were standing next to me, eh? Nuppy np Young Fresh Fellows- Because we hate you. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:02:48 +1000 From: "Ian Gray" Subject: In Defence of "Pulse of My Heart" Funny how a whole bunch of us can hear the same song (maybe different versions) and have totally different reactions. Is this song really that wimpy? I was ecstatic when I first heard the Baltimore MP3. I even did a bit of research and wrote down the lyrics. Here they are, if anyones interested: You can set your watch by me I'm a regular guy I get up and then I walk away But in the pulse of my heart I'm coming for you Your parachute has never billowed open You are stuffed in a pillow You're hoping that gets out, my boy (You're hoping to get out, my boy?) But in the pulse of my heart I'm coming for you. But in the pulse of my heart I'm coming for you. Her wings are folded in her chrysalis But you can wake her in an all night kiss But in the pulse of her heart She's waking for you (She's waiting for you?) But in the pulse of her heart She's waking for you Alright, alright You can set the clock back, so can I I can tell the future from the sky You can tell what time it is By looking yourself in the eye But in the pulse of her heart Here's looking at you (He's looking at you?) In the pulse of my heart And you know that it's you. I think this is a ripper of a song, possibly one of the best he's ever done. You know, it should be a top 40 hit and he should be a star, you've heard it all before stuff. The music on the Baltimore version (though not so much the Irving Plaza version) is stunning Velvet Underground Live 1969 vintage. It's an instant classic. One thing about the lyrics. It might just be his memory playing up on him, but I can't tell whether there are two people or three people (or two people and time/fate/God). Is Robyn God or a lover? (Good thread question, that one!) But that just makes it more interesting! Any thoughts? Let's see what this chrysalis of a song morphs into. Hope you (all) grow to love it as much as I do. But dont stomp it out, just because its not your taste! Inkypop ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #134 ********************************