From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #118 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock [GlamMonst@aol.com] Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Revisionist marketing [Michael R Godwin ] Re: _Dave Joins Roger and Then Leaves Himself_ [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Movie? [Christopher Gross ] Re: I'm so vain [Christopher Gross ] hair, hair, hair ["Natalie Jacobs" ] fisheads and cones ["brian nupp" ] Re: I'm so vain [scary mary ] RE: hair, hair, hair ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock [Bayard ] Re: hair, hair, hair [Christopher Gross ] RE: hair, hair, hair ["Natalie Jacobs" ] awww crap.... ["Mark Gloster" ] RE: hair, hair, hair ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: awww .... [Bayard ] depilator zim ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Tara Massarsky? [Capuchin ] Out of Time ["Spring Cherry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:32:07 EDT From: GlamMonst@aol.com Subject: Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock Here's a fun fact: Did you know that Robyn Hitchcock does some interesting backround banter on Thomas Dolby's song "White City" off of the Flat Earth album... As a matter of fact, Robyn ends the tune just by talking......Interesting because it was released in 1983 and I"m not sure what Robyn was doing at that time...Obviously he must have been in the studio as well? Does anyone else know of Hitchcock/Dolby pairings? Just curious, (Tiny).....PS.....great pop album at Not Lame Records called "Yummy"....pick it up....it's a cross between both artists!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock GlamMonst@aol.com wrote: > Here's a fun fact: Did you know that Robyn Hitchcock does some > interesting backround banter on Thomas Dolby's song "White City" off > of the Flat Earth album...As a matter of fact, Robyn ends the tune > just by talking......Interesting because it was released in 1983 and > I'm not sure what Robyn was doing at that time...Obviously he must > have been in the studio as well? Does anyone else know of > Hitchcock/Dolby pairings? Dolby plays "ocean" on the song "Love" on Robyn's _Black Snake Diamond Role._ might play on a couple other tracks on it (and _invisible hitchcock_ for that matter), but i'm at work so I can't go look at them... np: "light my fire," some country song, and the ron&fez.com show. ===== - ---evidence of how sick the world is, stolen from Harper's. 300,000: Number of Africans infected each year by "sleeping sickness," a fatal mosquito-borne illness. 1,000: Doses of eflomithine, a proven cure for the disease, that were available worldwide in February (2001). 60,000: does that will be available by June, after the discovery that the drug also eliminates facial hair. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:03:14 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Revisionist marketing On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Ed Poole wrote: > I'd rather have the mainstream press -- and maybe a few of the > Walmart-cd-shopper crowd -- say out loud, finally, that the Soft Boys > are an overlooked masterwork than to never have them say it at all. > The rest of us can go on collecting original vinyl editions of Groovy > Decoy and discussing why Element of Life is a much richer work than > Fegmania (and, c'mon, you have to agree with that one, right?) Yes, but Fegmania has a certain amiability about it - I wish he'd write more pop songs like "Strawberry Mind". The main disappointment for me is that the "I'm only you" jam just fades out, instead of coming back in with a big final chorus and finish. Incidentally, the Egyptians best record is called 'Element of Light'. - - Mike "8 days till Bristol!" Godwin n.p. a Neil Finn freebie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:12:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: _Dave Joins Roger and Then Leaves Himself_ > > Glen mentioned _Dave Joins Roger and Then Leaves Himself_ in his Fillmore > > account -- is this the first working title we've heard for the SB's > > potential upcoming rekkid? On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > the first thing i thought was pink floyd, but of course it doesn't > follow... But if it was "Dave joins Roger, _who_ then leaves himself" it would be spot on (Syd Barrett's real name is Roger Keith Barrett). For a very short time after Gilmour joined in early '68, Barrett was still a group member - there is one photo featuring the 5-member Floyd. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:08:28 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Revisionist marketing Michael was kind enough to point out: >Incidentally, the Egyptians best record is called 'Element of Light'. Yes, thanks, I *was* going to correct that, but being too embarrassed by the typo, I didn't want to call attention to it with a corrective post. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Movie? On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Bayard wrote: > -christopher gross: tough one! maybe steve buscemi? Hmm.... Buscemi's cool, and he can certainly do my character (ever seen _Trees Lounge_?), but he just doesn't look the part physically. No, the best suggestion I've ever heard is ... Beaker from the Muppet Show. Someone once compared me to him, and somehow it just seemed to fit. The only thing is, Beaker isn't slow-moving enough. Maybe we could put him on quaaludes? Yes, Beaker on ludes, that's me.... - --Chris np: Oh, God, I left my headphones at home, now I have to listen to my idiot coworkers.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: I'm so vain On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, scary mary wrote: > Has anyone seen Invader Zim on Nickelodeon? Nice to see some Jhonen Vasquez > creations come to life. What?! Details, please! Are they going to re-run it? Is there a web page? - --Chris (part to be played by the Rutger Hauer of 1982, or maybe the Julian Sands of 1990) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:40:04 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: hair, hair, hair >Additionally, nobody now seems to think that >the fact that I do tame the beast makes me look like a plastic >surgery >victim. So why is it that it's different for guys? Because it's OK for guys to be hairy, but not women. A fact that I curse every time I cut my legs while shaving. I'm not sure where this double-standard arose from. I seem to recall reading that Gillette or some other razor company started convincing women back in the '20's that shaving was more sanitary (or something), but I may be wrong. Re. the Shark's remarks about guys and gaudy clothes - IMO, loud clothes are more unattractive on guys because they're bigger and there's more ugliness to see. Who would play ME in the great feg movie? I don't look like anyone. *sob* n. p.s. I read today that Oregon's aluminum smelting factories are being shut down! I hope there's not a shortage!! p.p.s. Here's a huge warm fuzzy outpouring of sympathy for Eclipse... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:56:22 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: fisheads and cones Just a few quick notes about the Detroit and Chicago shows before they are less than a fleeting memory: Detroit: Found free parking! Then found Eddie in the bathroom of St. Andrew's Hall preparing his recording gear. At least I hope that what he was doing. He tells me they are recording all the shows on minidisc. Just one mini disc per show. So if the show is longer than 74 minutes, they lose what ever is beyond this. To make matter worse I go up to check out the sound situ, and notice they are recording on a sharp minidisc recorder. The same one I bought and took back because the recording quality wasn't up to par with my defunct sony. Double sucks cause they are getting a straight sound board recording, as opposed to a multitrack recording they can remix later. This is why some of the UM mp3s are less than par. To make matters better I got an EXCELLENT recording of the show. The only glitch is I had to reset levels in the begining on Tonight, the 2nd song. My stereo mic picked up excellently, and I love it. The sound man did and worthy job too. I wish Matthew would turn the treble or mid up a little on his bass to make it a bit more prominent. In the begining Kim's guitar was a little low, but corrected by the 3rd song, I think. I saw Micheal Bachman and chatted for a bit. We talked of Slowdive and such. Carissa is lovely, saw her to. She's a smiling gem. Met Daryl (also saw him in Chi-town), and Aaron who refused a ride to the airport from me, out of fear of malestation. Later in Chicago he put 2 and 2 together and relized I was a homey, but it was too late. the money for the cab (probably $40) was spent. Maybe next time Aaron! About mid way through the JWH opening act I wandered up to talk to Rick, who was selling merchandise. And there taped to the table was one cone. 2 sails curling together with one saying "nice one" and the other saying "you totally suck!" The other side had a santa claus drawning and something else. The corners say R. Hitchcock, 20001, Detroit, and something else. I will get some digi-photos of this sometime. Eddie says its the best cone he's ever seen. I'm glad to have it! Rick says there is one cone per show. Great show! Before the show Morris is with his family and he signs my Anglepoise lamp single. After the show, Kim and Robyn also sign it. And I get to meet Matthew, who signs my He's a Reptile 45. He totally checked out the 45, and said he hadn't seen this in a while. There is a pix of someone (Robyn?) on the cover and back of this record with a fish head mask on. Matthew tells me he once wore this at a gig in the early 80's before he joined the Thompson Twins. He said Anthoney Thistlewist (or who ever from the waterboys and Groovy Decay) played sax through it at a gig once too. I asked him where is was now, and he said he'd love to know! Matthew was really cool, I've always wanted to see him play and his personality is as smooth as his bass playing. By the way his Snail CD is really good. It mixes late 70's Bowie with electronic music tastefully (without the Trent Reznor element!). Robyn came out and talked as long as he had things to sign. He talked about aeroplanes and how guitar solos are always different. When I got home and checked my minidiscs, I relized I never turned off my minidisc recorder after the show ended. So I heard bits of Robyn talking about these guitar solos and such. I have to go back and listen to it to see how audible it is. I bet Matthew's on there too, talking about the fish heads. There were only about 200 to 250 people at the Detroit show. Kinda small. Chicago: I took the train from Toledo to Chicago the next morning. I wish I would've ridden with Eddie and Carissa, cause I enjoy their company. Venus (my girlfriend) and I arrived to the Metro right after the opening act. I was frisked at the door and the dude felt my awesome stereo mic and said "what's this?" I said "an awesome stereo microphone, and it's cool to record tonight's show, it's cool with the band." He said "lets see it." And I said "Do you want me to take it back to my car?" He said "No, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a gun!" So we got in cool and all. The place was packed! We went upstairs to check out the sound. Pissed some people off cause it was so crowded. Sorry. I went down stairs to compare the sound. I thought down stairs about 20ft in front of the stage, center was much better sounding than the balcony center. More umph. So I'm curious to here Da9ve's recording. I felt very positive energy during this show. It was so packed! I had no idea the Soft Boys had such fans! This show was fantastic. Kim's e-bow guitar is much more audible on this mix on Sideways. Robyn really saw himself as an Old Pervert during the song, outlining with his hands what an Old Pervert looks like while he sang. The song Me and Mr. Kennendy went on for nearly 8 minutes, with fantastic dueling guitars. Astronmy Domine was the highlight I think. My recording came out GREAT! I'm very happy! After the show we breify spoke with Eddie, Aaron, Carissa, Daryl and new lister Matt. Then we bailed and crashed. I think those are the details I wanted to tell. I'm sure I missed something, but oh well. My recording came out great as I've said. I'm still mastering them, but will have them done within a few days. I know there are others who have and traded these shows, but if there are people who want to trade let me know. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:07:00 -0400 From: scary mary Subject: Re: I'm so vain Here you go Chris - and anyone else who is interested: http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/zim/ Show time is 9pm on Fridays. Nick has shown 2 episodes so far. The first introduced Invader Zim and his arrival to Earth. The second episode consisted of two independent segments/stories. I'm sure this will be the format for the remaining shows. smary np - Joy Division Unknown Pleasures (part to be played by Diana Rigg as Mrs. Emma Peel) At 11:40 AM 4/11/2001 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, scary mary wrote: > > > Has anyone seen Invader Zim on Nickelodeon? Nice to see some Jhonen > Vasquez > > creations come to life. > >What?! Details, please! Are they going to re-run it? Is there a web >page? > > >--Chris >(part to be played by the Rutger Hauer of 1982, or maybe the Julian >Sands of 1990) > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:58:11 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: hair, hair, hair Natalie conjectured: >IMO, loud clothes are more unattractive on guys because they're bigger and there's more >ugliness to see. But this doesn't account for the significance of context. You see, if my wife were to wear a bright pink, flowery-print sundress (and she has been known to do this, despite the clash with her red hair), she would look lovely (take my word on this one). However, if I were to get out my pruning shears (or whatever implement of destruction laying nearby) and fashion a shirt or even a vest out of that very same dress, I would look very much the fool for my efforts. Why? It isn't size -- there was more of the dress material exposed to the world than shirt material, even given the (large) disparity of size between myself and my wife. No, I think it definitely has something to do with the Y chromosome here. Men, in our culture, are expected to be plainer, simpler (read: more boring) in their attire than women. Usually, this is a windfall for us, as we can get through the work week with 4-5 plain shirts and 3-4 pairs of Dockers, while women have to (a) think more and (b) spend more on their wardrobes. But, when it comes time to "express yourself," men have a similarly constricted palate, to their detriment. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Thomas Dolby & Robyn Hitchcock jeff s. dwarf: > Dolby plays "ocean" on the song "Love" on Robyn's _Black Snake Diamond > Role._ might play on a couple other tracks on it (and _invisible > hitchcock_ for that matter), but i'm at work so I can't go look No, i believe that is the only Dolby contribution to robyn's body of work (until the recent concert...) Dolby's symbol is the pool of water, in the black snake diamond role liner notes. Dolby speaks highly of Matthew on his website 'the flat earth'. Another connection: alloy, the dolby listserv, is hosted on smoe. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: hair, hair, hair On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Because it's OK for guys to be hairy, but not women. A fact that I curse > every time I cut my legs while shaving. I'm not sure where this > double-standard arose from. I seem to recall reading that Gillette or some > other razor company started convincing women back in the '20's that shaving > was more sanitary (or something), but I may be wrong. It's simple exaggeration of secondary sexual characteristics. Women have less body hair than men, therefore the less body hair you have, the more feminine you seem. Changing fashions also played a part: when skirts got shorter in the 1920s and women's legs suddenly became visible, for the first time since the fall of Rome, women had a reason to care how their legs looked. At about the same time technological developments (cheap steel safety razors, running water in every house) made it all possible. Finally, once enough women started shaving their legs, it became the norm, so natural human herd instincts quickly made it nearly universal. The razor companies played a role, but more by making it possible for women to shave their legs than by somehow inventing a universal desire to do so. - --Chris the hair expert ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:36:08 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: RE: hair, hair, hair >>IMO, loud clothes are more unattractive on guys because they're >>bigger >>and there's more ugliness to see. > >But this doesn't account for the significance of context. Well, that was just my personal opinion... >No, I think it definitely has something to do with the Y chromosome >here. >Men, in our culture, are expected to be plainer, simpler (read: >more >boring) in their attire than women. You know where this *might* come from? Back in the 1700's and before, men dressed as gaudily as women - even more so, sometimes. But in the early 1800's, Beau Brummel (the famous "dandy") started a trend of wearing black on formal occasions. The trend continued on through the Victorian period (think of all those Victorian swells in their black tailcoats and top hats), and on into the present. I think that due to this trend, it eventually became a social no-no for men to wear bright colors at all, even in everyday situations. n., amateur fashion historian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:10:06 -0700 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: awww crap.... Just a few things.... 1. I don't know what I did to Bayard, but clearly he now hates me. I would prefer to be cast by a certain feg's Adolph Hitler Pez dispenser than Tommy Chong. Please keep trying: Paul Rubens, Harry Anderson- even Harvey Fucking Keitel! Please Bayard, accept my most profound apologies for my human and/or animal foibles that would cause you to associate me with a total idiot zombie. 2. The guitar handed to Kimberley, the Squire Venus was played the previous night by Kurt Bloch. In SF, he played an SG. Nick, please get a Venus for me too when you find one. I just wish it had a maple fretboard. 3. Karen/Carole Fever: The cover of one Liz Phair album is the only place she ever looked as good as either of our own twins. She probably worked on makeup and angles for hours. And all that was before the hours of Photoshop stuff. 4. Fegs are the best. All the best! - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:23:02 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: hair, hair, hair Earlier today Natalie intoned: - -----Original Message----- "Because it's OK for guys to be hairy, but not women....I'm not sure where this double-standard arose from." - -----Original Message----- It arose from hairy legs on women being danged unattractive, I think. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: awww .... Apologies! This just in: the part of Mr. Gloster will be played by john denver (pre-death.) =b "Rocky Mountain WHAT???" ps- aren't any of the l.a. fegs awake yet? get on the button... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:41:49 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: depilator zim >From: scary mary > >Here's who would play me in the SB movie - > >http://envy.nu/sick/intro.html > >I'm the one with the purple hair and I do have my very own Spooky who goes >everywhere with me. Spooky is the one dressed in black and white. I wish I looked like that! >Has anyone seen Invader Zim on Nickelodeon? Nice to see some Jhonen Vasquez >creations come to life. I love Jhonen's creations and Zim rocks as hard as anything can rock on Nickelodeon. Except I missed it this weekend! Damn it! >From: "victorian squid" > >No one ever said to me: "oh, that's your own unique style" or "those >shaggy brows of yours are so lovely and natural". I doubt anyone even >THOUGHT "how cute, she looks just like Bert". Additionally, nobody now >seems to think that the fact that I do tame the beast makes me look like a >plastic surgery victim. So why is it that it's different for guys? That's a whole huge question, isn't it? Generally guys are "allowed" to have hair in places women aren't, like their faces, their legs, their armpits, and -- though this is frowned upon even more highly than monobrows (I just shave my monobrow area and it works fine) -- their backs. I must admit to mixed feelings on this score, and some hypocrisy, because while I find some hairy guys really hot (because of the hair, not despite it) and most smooth guys really hot, I feel that some women can pull off being hairy and some women can't. Similarly, though, I feel that the number of men who are sexy with facial hair is significantly less than the number of men who think they're sexy with facial hair. I would prefer not to be hairy, myself, especially in certain areas, but I don't do much about it aside from shaving my face and learning to appreciate it everywhere else. And you're right, it's not fair, because I can get away with it. >From: "Mike, also known as a different Mike" > >Robyn's monobrow is actually artificial, or a "prosthetic appliance", as he >puts it. I think he started using it in the late 70's - obviously it had >some benefit, because it stuck (no pun intended.). If you look at younger >pictures of him, you'll see he doesn't have it. He copped to this once in >an interview from 1983, I think. This I do not believe. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tara Massarsky? On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, David Librik wrote: > Browsing the web, I ran across a page about the painter Tara Massarsky. > She seems to have a whole series of marine paintings, including one > called "Underwater Moonlight" that apparently depicts the song (I can > see the giant squid in it, at least). The name is REALLY familiar. Didn't she used to be on the list? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:58:14 -0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Out of Time It seems Ive fallen thru a hole in time, loosing digests but not my inexplicable need to respond to them. So heres a a paraphraesd, rambling and otherwise inchoherent replay of the beginning of the week: Chris Gross: A remnant of the Dead Milkmen(and their manager) are in Burn Witch Burn, accessable at razlerrecords.com. If you leave an e-mail query, you might get the info on the DM you want. Susan: I want the green pants too. And, like you, I have a florescent hot pink shirt Id wear with them(plus its shatung silk, and thrifted. Love it, love it.) Do you remember Robyn's hot pink shirt from the 80s? Do you think it still exists (Loved it, loved it)? He should wear them together on stage, with us in the audience similarly accoutramonted. We'd BLIND the unbelievers (especially if Nat wears that red dress.) BTW, I still fell like your big sister;-)(how old does that make me, 13?) Dignnannn: Im pretty incapable of not responding to a thread that calls my name. You quoted the "Cowes" as "Kayes" to "Cays" as "Keyes" then threw in Ric Ocasack playing for the Scotch "coors" was it? Anyway, Ive got the perfect anedote to bring this thread full circle and close the stitch. So... Last summer at the ref desk a guy came up(Australian, I think?) asking for material on "caows." "Huh?" I elegently responded. It sounded sorta like cows , thou the guy sure didnt look particularly bucolic. Anyway, after several rounds of "Huh?" in exasperation he finially mumbled "You know, like caows and automobiles." Cars, he wanted stuff on cars... Jeff Dwarf made a comment on how since females are more expected than males to conform and be less explorative, that might be why Robyn has more male fans. He ended up(I think) by saying, however, that he might just be full of shit.: No, fraid youre probobly right. I loose sight of that sorta thing cause I tend to ignore the negative which I cant change. But Hitchcocks stuff is idiocyncratic, and probobly appeals to people who already think of themselves as such. And, overall, it is considered less acceptable for a woman to be induvidualistic that than a male. Icky but true. Thanks all for the groovy details on the West Coast concerts. Im glad to see Im not the only one who waxes orgasmic;-). Nat: >I've decided I want a Kimberley action figure, by the way. When will >the >Soft Boys marketing machine get going on this? Like the Spinal Tap dolls! Cept with the Soft Boys you get a drummer. Queen of Variations: >I wish I was up >I wish I was down ?She only wishes you werent around? ?she only wishes you'd come around? ?She only wishes you were loosely bound? ?She spends too much time underground? ?Some people are just tightly wound? And in hommage to "Kansas City" ?She just wants to move you around? Hmmmm proof postive He's Robyn Hitchcock and Im Not. Jill: >This all reminds me of my father's prank whilst he was the >faculty adviser >to the Brooklyn Tech newspaper. As a gag, one of the students wrote >about >the Brooklyn Tech ski team, which supposedly practiced in Fort >Greene >Park. This park is completely flat. Tech has no ski team. >Well, a >writer for the New York Daily News did not bother to verify >this when he >wrote a human interest story all about the team. Cool prank. Sounds like your family would like my family and both would enjoy some of Raymond Hitchcock's books. My grandfather and great uncle are actually in most sport hoax books for the infamous Plainfield Teachers joke. They concocted a winning football team(P.T.) a league(The Blackboard League)coach(Hop-Along Hobelitz) star quarterback(with the same name as my brother) and play(the W formation. Think about it;-). Somehow they got the NY Herald Tribune and NYT to cover the scores and even write stories from their fake publicity releases. Finially The Tribune wised up and pulled the plug. My Unca Morris was most upset since, as he saw it, "no one was getting hurt." Still ... when Hollywood based a forgetable movie on it(forget the title)there was a gambling aspects, which knowing my family... Susan again: >I'm trying to figure out how to get around the monobrow. Here Susan I disagree with you. Love the monobrow. Think he should braid it or bead it or something to make it even more glorious. Without it he would be a relatively generically handsome guy(alright, the strong bones work somewhat agaist that, but still.) I dont want him looking generically anything, let alone attractive. Before you know it they'd have him modeling raincoats on the cover of GQ.;-) I like it when people look abit different, not because they've got poser piercings or conspiciously weird hairdos but because of just who they are. Like God had a sense-of-humor, truth-in-adverstising fun when creating them(Alright--this ones going to be tall, dark, handsome ...and abit different, so lets give him this one -particular- twist Ive been working on.) My daughter recently announced to me that thanks to plastic surgery and genetic engineering everybody in her childrens' generation would be conventionally beautiful. But I wonder. When we can have any sort of meat we want, what sort of meat will we choose? Will we get bored with the generic? Will an anti-fashion in ugliness spring up? I respect Hitchcock for not getting rid of the monobrow(easy enough to do.) Who knows, it may be a major beauty trend in the next century;-) Melissa had this immortal suggestion for SB merchandise: >something that dares you to prove that you're obsessed enough to buy >it. Yes, something to set a new anti-fashion!\. Mike: >Who would >play who? My vote goes to Alan Rickman for the part >of Robyn. Any other thoughts on this? Not Rickman for Robyn, Robyn for Robyn. But if they did flashbacks to the late 70s, who would play a -young- Robyn? Phewwww, Ive made it up to yesterday's papers. Think Ill stop here for breath. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #118 ********************************