From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #113 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- treeing the chicago and boston shows [jill sunderlin ] Pictures from Seattle & Portland [Tom Clark ] Re: why guys [Ben ] Re: basement-life.com interview [Ben ] Quarking Apologies ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: hurrah! Gnat gets her 15 minutes of well-deserved fame [MPys2626@aol.] Re: Flowering Green Quarks ["victorian squid" ] Quoi? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RIP RF [HAL ] Julie Burton/Robyn content 10% [Peter Palmer ] a brief note [Jeff Dwarf ] RobynKimberleyMorrisMatthew or Elvis vs. Ray [Jeff Dwarf ] Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore ["Russ Reynolds" ] Revisionist marketing [Ed Poole ] Fwd: RE: (Best Spam Ever?) [steve ] another cow song [Christopher Gross ] Re: Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore [Glen Uber ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:27:35 -0400 From: jill sunderlin Subject: treeing the chicago and boston shows Since the Feg Tree site will not be finished until July (July 4th is to be the launch date) I'm putting together an informal tree from the list of people we've already compiled to fill the gap meanwhile, and get copies of the shows to those who are unable to get them in any other fashion (like MP3's or trading). The show recordings I'm using are Dave Stovall's for the Chicago show, and David Skoglund for the Boston show -- it's going to be a package of the two. So anyone that didn't reply recently to the feg tree query -- now is the time to do so. Those who have already contacted me, I'll be getting back to you in the next day or so. And thanks to Dave and David for their help with this! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:57:08 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #112 Eb: > You know, these articles have become a little unsettling to me. It's like > history is suddenly rewriting Hitchcock's career, just like the way Brian > Wilson's career was rewritten in the late '80s. Underwater Moonlight is > being recast as Hitchcock's Pet Sounds, the one sacred moment of perfection > in an otherwise up-and-down catalog. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad RH is finally getting the attention he should have gotten ages ago, but all this 'influential underground classic' stuff seems to have come from out of nowhere (years of trumpeting on this list notwithstanding). It seems to me like Matador found the perfect angle for their publicity campaign and unleashed it on an unsuspecting press corps, who dutifully propagated the myth. - -rUss PS any bay area fegs see ANYTHING in the San Jose Mercury about the Soft Boys? This weeks Eye has an article about next week's Psychedelic Furs reunion at the Fillmore (with eerily similar historical notations, except for the part about hit records) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:01:26 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Pictures from Seattle & Portland I don't have too much to add regarding the Croc & Pine St. shows. I was blown away by "The Lizard" in Portland, and thankfully Matthew put an MP3 of it up on the tour site. It was mezmerizing. Always great hanging with the fegs. Some bullet items: - - Cynthia is a fabulous hostess and her house is great. - - Turned on the radio after an hour in the car between Seattle and Portland; "Walking on Sunshine" came immediately blaring out. - - Viv preps, Michael Wolfe cooks. - - Ken Stringfellow looks like he's 12. - - Cynthia was pushed out of the way by Mark Arm at The Croc. I'm jealous. - - Kimberly signed my copy of "Tunnel Into Summer" - - Bruce Foxton Rules!! out, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:24:44 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: why guys Maybe it's becuase Robyn writes songs from a male perspective and males are more likely to have something in common with it. Though off the top of my head I can't think of any lyrics that are extremely "male oriented", it's hard because Robyn doesn't write much about wanting to beat people up or bangin' some hoes. Maybe someone else out there can think of some lyrics or songs that would appeal more to males. Similarly, it seems that female artists tend to have more female fans than male artists do. Of course that is a general statement, and I am not thinking about bands that are hugely popular. > Melissa on why guys: > >Perhaps there is something about the particular sense of humor >required to > >appreciate songs about moths, frogs, squids, the black >plague and favorite > >buildings. Then again I can't imagine why anyone >would not like Robyn or > >the > >Soft Boys. > Agreed. There is the old stereotype that womens' senses of humor arent as > sharp as males', but I do think thats untrue. > I wonder if it has to do with something males have been documented at being > better at ... spacial visualization? > Lots of Robyns lyrics only really fall into place for me when I visualize > them and sorta move the parts around. Guys are supposed to be better at this > sort of imaging--hence their predominence in engineering. (Yes-- I -do- > believe that in aggregate(and only in aggregate, induviduals can be anywhere > on the map) there is a tendency towards -some- inate(and overt;-) > differences tween male and female.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:38:59 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: basement-life.com interview > >Only problem with the above position is that Ira Robbins > >wrote that about Underwater Moonlight in the first edition of the TPRG, > >which dates from '85 if I remember right. > > Well, yes. However, I only quoted the above passage because it was the last > article posted. Purely a matter of convenience. My thoughts were really > directed at *all* the Soft Boys profiles/reviews which have been posted > lately. I didn't mean to imply the above quote was a superlative example. > Actually, it's not even in the same category, because it doesn't have that > crucial "UM: Hitchcock's one masterpiece" component. Saying UM is one of > the new wave's best/underrated albums or that it's the best album of 1980 > isn't the "meme" -- it must involve trivializing Hitchcock's own remaining > catalog. This probably happens because the writer for one publication does a review that praises UM and ignores the rest of Hitchcock's catalog, then another writer is told to/decides to do a SB's story and just copies the slant of the other guy, and this gets repeated over and over as the tour progresses from town to town. It may be unsettling but should not be surprising. Were talking about rock critics and rock journalists, the laziest, most unoriginal authors out there. What do you expect? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:40:06 -0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Quarking Apologies Major apologies for the repeat posting. Thought I was saving when I was sending. Its those damn quarks ...you never know where or when they'll turn up. Eb wrote: >You know, these articles have become a little unsettling to me. It's >like >history is suddenly rewriting Hitchcock's career, just like the >way Brian >Wilson's career was rewritten in the late '80s. Underwater >Moonlight is >being recast as Hitchcock's Pet Sounds, the one sacred >moment of >perfection in an otherwise up-and-down catalog. Lord help me, but I very much agree with Eb here:-). Robyn has produced an unbelievable amount of great stuff, and the great stuff is still coming. Lets hope that what success finds him does not mummify him in the process. I want a Robyn old enough to write "The Speed of Things" "1974" and "You and Oblivion" and more. I want a Robyn evolving, not one freeze-dried in journalistic cliches. Randi(Hi, good to hear from you)wrote: >a sweet Aimee Mann fan / feg As an Aimee Mann fan/feg myself who -tries- for sweet, got to ask ...who are you(is she)? Kay-- 3 posts in one day, I must be getting soft in my old age. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:52:42 EDT From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: Re: hurrah! Gnat gets her 15 minutes of well-deserved fame In a message dated 4/7/01 3:06:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carole reichstein writes: > Matthew Seligman's latest installment of the tour diaries. > > http://www.underwatermoonlight.com/large_images/monsters.html > > (you know, I like this fellow more and more) > > Carole Same here! m Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst http://mapslegends.net/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:25:37 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Flowering Green Quarks kay wrote: >I wonder if it has to do with something males have been documented at being >better at ... spacial visualization? For what it's worth, I always do very very badly when tested on that stuff. Like in the 0-5 percentile sort of badly. This may be an anecdotal point towards the innate gender differences theory but it doesn't help with the "male Robyn fan" theory. Sorry. What I am very good with (and enjoy) is seeing and experiencing songs in a kind of cinematic movie-in-my-head sort of way. His songs are so rich in visual imagery and strong emotion that I can do that really easily. More so than I can with anyone else's in the world except possibly Tom Waits. >Philly. Or the great flowered florescent lime green ones I --wish-- he'd >worn in Philly? Those. Nat may hate them, but I LOVE THEM. I have no idea where you would get pants like that but I would actually like a pair for myself, perhaps with a bit of a bootcut (but not a flare!!!) instead of a completely straight leg. They would look great with a matching hot pink shirt I believe. What ever happened to that Nehru jacket he used to have? love on ya, Susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:37:01 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Quoi? >Matt, thou Swell wrote: >>it's Cowes on the Island, >>oh,and the locals pronounce it "Kayes".... >And the West end is yachty? Sounds like I should retire there and be Kay of >"Kayes." But would I have to keep cows? > >Jill: >>where is this mysterious Largo place where there will be a >>secret gig? >Its somewhere in the Cay's;-)(pronounced key's.) hm. So now we have Cowes pronounced Kayes and Cayes pronounced Keys. Next Stewart will be telling us that Cows is pronounced coos in Scotland. Does this mean that Rick Ocasek is lead singer in the Corrs? ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:18:06 -0600 From: HAL Subject: RIP RF Ed "Big Daddy" Roth Mar 4, 1932 - Apr 4, 2001 http://www.ratfink.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:13:19 -0700 From: Peter Palmer Subject: Julie Burton/Robyn content 10% Julie: Just wondering if you were still on the list and are you going to the shows in LA? Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Dumm Subject: RE: Largo 11-APR-2001 I will be there, as well as at the Soft Boys the night before. Is there any plans for a get together before either show? I have been a lurker for a while, and would be interested to meet whoever is around. (I will probably recognize some of you from previous show.) By the way, I am Chris. Not one of too many worlds, at present. I will be at Largo @ 8PM for dinner. See ya there. 3 Days and counting! - -Chris Dumm PS: Sorry if this sends twice - --- "Thomas, Ferris" wrote: > All right. Who's going? > > -----Original Message----- > From: recount chocula [mailto:woj@smoe.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:47 PM > To: worst...mailing list...EVER! > Subject: Re: Largo 11-APR-2001 > > > when we last left our heroes, Griffith Davies > exclaimed: > > >I apologize if this is old news, but according to > the > >outgoing message for the infamous Largo, "Robyn > >Softboy" is scheduled to perform there on > 11-APR-2001. > > the largo answering machine now says that a "Mr. > Robyn Feels Beautiful Soft > One" will be there on the 11th. smells like a secret > gig to me. > > woj Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: a brief note just in case i seemed a little surly or whatever after the rather brilliant show tonight, it was just that my feet were absolutely killing me, so my apologies if i seemed a little unpleasant. it was my feet, not y'all. ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RobynKimberleyMorrisMatthew or Elvis vs. Ray Spring Cherry wrote: > Jill wrote: wrotes lots of interesting stuff about the predominance of males in Robyn's audience and Robyn as a gnostic which i'm ignoring (though i think, regarding the former, that there seems to be more pressure in general on girls/women to conform, so that fewer women end up exploring the backroads of pop culture. i could be completely full of shit though.) > > Well, this is sort of off topic, but I just found out that Minus > > Five are going to cover "Get Back in Line" for a Kinks tribute > > album...and Jonathan Richman is going to do "Stop Your Sobbing." > > Cool. > > Way cool. And untill I learn otherwise, I will fantasize that the > Soft Boys will be on it doing "Gods Children." (And how can I love > that song, you ask, with everything Ive said above? Well-- because > of the irony -behind- the irony,and no, I shalln't explain;-) i'd kinda like to hear them do "Apeman," though my Kinks knowledge is still kinda limited so "gods children" might very well be a better choice. > BTW--how do you like Elvis Costellos's version of Days? i love it. only track on that album i really like at all in fact. ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #112 Russ Reynolds wrote: > PS any bay area fegs see ANYTHING in the San Jose Mercury about the > Soft Boys? This weeks Eye has an article about next week's > Psychedelic Furs reunion at the Fillmore (with eerily similar > historical notations, except for the part about hit records) only a very brief mention in the article either Kava or Murphy did about SBSW. there was an article in the CoCo Times weekend supplement, so maybe they won the intra-Knight-Ridder bet, so to speak. ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:12:20 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore WOO-fucking-HOO! Expectations met and exceeded at the SF SHow! Must've been some sort of harmonic convergence because everything just sort of fell into place. Driving in to SF we experienced NO BACK-UP AT THE TOLL PLAZA on the Bay Bridge for the first time since the '89 earthquake. Then, when we made that left turn from Geary onto Fillmore the first thing we saw was a PARKING SPACE. Rest assured I went on and on about THAT in Costanza-like fashion all through dinner. It gets better. We entered the Fillmore about 8:30 and the first people we see are Tom and Coleen. Anita and I sat down with them and enjoyed an entire Young Fresh Fellows concert (Robyn wandered on stage and introduced them as "THE rock 'n' roll band in the world") in a seated position without being chased from the area by the nasty seat patrol ladies. Kimberley joins 'em for a song off his Tunnel Into Summer CD. Original Flamin' Groovie Roy Loney joins 'em for what I think was an early FG tune. Then Tom suggests we make our way down to the front of the stage where seemingly the entire west coast feg contingent has been congregated since the doors opened. Seemed an impossible task at the time, but here's a tip for you: if you ever need to get through a seemingly impenetrable crowd, get yerself a wheelchair. Up front we met Glen & Carole, Nick, Jeme, Eddie, Mark, Viv, Sydney, Jay, Chris "and the rest" (sorry to lump everyone else in with the Professor and Mary Anne but bandwidth problems could arise if I try to list everyone). Anita and I stood right behind Tom, which gave us a much better view of things than the people standing right behind Chris. THEN, the Soft Boys took the stage. They rule the earth. Someone undoubtedly has or will soon post a set list so I'll skip that part and just say that the place RAWKED. The band seemed to really be enjoying themselves, Kimberley Carvey was hilarious, Morris drank Anchor Steam and looked cool, Matthew seemed to be having the time of his life, Robyn & Kimberley had a couple of terrific guitar duels (during one of 'em they actually morphed into a riff that sounded kind of almost sort of like "I Got The Hots", which is good enough for me), Thomas Dolby joined 'em for "Sideways" and one or two others. "Pervert" nearly broke my neck--each member of the band is of course doing something different in that song and I just kept darting my attention from one guy through the next. "Underwater Mooonlight" was awesome... "In the beginning was the excuse," followed by a list of excuses, and at the end of the 'feed the fish' part Robyn slips in a nod to Country Joe by yelling "gimme an F" right before the chorus kicked in (I think I may have been the only person in the audience who actually gave him an F, though). YFF joined 'em for the final final final encore, Give It To The Soft Boys and everyone went home happy. Spotted in the crowd: Tom Tolbert (former Golden State Warrior, current KNBR sports show host), who somebody thought might have been Chris Fraz' brother, and a guy who looked remarkably like Geddy Lee but no doubt wasn't. Maybe it was Geddy's brother. I'm told a topic of discussion at the fegdinner (which we missed) was if I had to choose between seeing the soft boys or seeing the Giants in the 7th game of the World Series, which would I choose. When I heard about this I told 'em it would be the World Series, but after last night I'm re-thinking... Awesome show. Twirly Twirly Twirly, - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:09:10 -0400 From: Ed Poole Subject: Revisionist marketing >Eb (and it's partially Matador's fault, if they're truly >going to skip reissuing A Can of Bees and Invisible Hits as >well) Don't you think it's *mostly* Matador's fault at this point? Isn't there a bit too much of an eerie similarity to the articls you reference? Is this a heinous plot? No, not really, just marketing. The fact that there is a kernal of truth behind the mythos makes the strategy all the more palatable to the press (and easier, too, which is the whole point). I'll wager that many of the fish-out-of-water, neglected masterpiece themes are right there in Matador's press kit. And why not? The reason for reissuing a 21 year old record (for the 4th or 5th time, but who's counting?) is to sell records. Great, more power to 'em (and more $ to the band, whom we all can agree deserve it far more than most in this industry). Hell, that's the reason to tour, apart from the fun of it and to delight us lot. I'm not disparaging those last two reasons, either -- I think if $ was all it was about, they wouldn't bother. But certainly, that plays a role. I'd rather have the mainstream press -- and maybe a few of the Walmart-cd-shopper crowd - -- say out loud, finally, that the Soft Boys are an overlooked masterwork than to never have them say it at all. The rest of us can go on collecting original vinyl editions of Groovy Decoy and discussing why Element of Life is a much richer work than Fegmania (and, c'mon, you have to agree with that one, right?) - -ed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:26:33 -0500 From: steve Subject: Fwd: RE: (Best Spam Ever?) 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Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: another cow song The Smiths, "Meat Is Murder." - --Chris np: various noisy birds ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:23:09 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore ...and oh yeah..."Bucky". - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:05:05 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Fillmore Fillmore Fillmore on 4/8/01 9:12 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Up front we met Glen & Carole, Nick, Jeme, Eddie, Mark, Viv, Sydney, Jay, > Chris "and the rest" (sorry to lump everyone else in with the Professor and > Mary Anne but bandwidth problems could arise if I try to list everyone). I know that the lovely and charming Eclipse and her equally lovely and charming friend Ayala were standing next to and behind me. Jeff the Ironic Dwarf was nearby and so was Marc Holden. I also met Fred the lurker and Henry the record shop owner. Stacy the vegan and her husband Rob from Austin were also in attendance. > Anita and I stood right behind Tom, which gave us a much better view of > things than the people standing right behind Chris. Chris was nothing but accomodating to Carol who is at least 15 inches shorter. Carol couldn't stop saying how nice she thought Chris was for making sure she could see. > THEN, the Soft Boys took the stage. They rule the earth. Someone > undoubtedly has or will soon post a set list so I'll skip that part and just > say that the place RAWKED. The set list is as follows: Kingdom of Love Queen of Eyes Tonight Old Pervert (this absolutely killed me. an awesome song live) Your Mind is Connected (?) Airscape (not as good as I heard it in the past, but everyone else seemed to enjoy it) Underwater Moonlight I Wanna Destroy You (dedicated to "W") Human Music (great to finally hear this song live) Leppo and the Jooves (my favorite Soft Boys song; I finally got to hear it live. Morris's harmonies were spectacular, Kimberley played slide and Matthew's bass part, while much more subdued than the original, was solid and punchy). Only The Stones Remain (with much hand gesticulations from Robyn) Sudden Town (I really liked this new song. I'm looking forward to the forthcoming album, _Dave Joins Roger and Then Leaves Himself_) Insanely Jealous 1st Encore w/Thomas Dolby You'll Have to Go Sideways (Kimberley played eBow Guitar) 'A New Song' (I don't know what it's called, but there were a lot of 'sha la las') Astronomy Domine ("Dedicated to everyone who saw the Airplane reunion here in '89". This was absolutely transcendent. The spirit of Syd seemed to be in the air and I instantly knew how it felt to have been at the Fillmore circa 1969.) 2nd Encore Rock 'n' Roll Toilet Sleeping With Your Devil Mask Mr. Kennedy (my favorite of the new songs. do I hear a single?) 3rd Encore Train 'Round The Bend Face of Death Give It To The Soft Boys (Morris, Matthew, and Robyn with 3 of the 4 YFF) Some personal impressions: **I told Carol and our friend Billy -- whom we met up with late in the evening -- that this was the best show I've seen in several years by anyone. **Robyn is better with a full band. He and Kimberley seemed to be in perfect synch all night. They were having a ball playing together **Morris has officially surpassed Stewart Copeland as my all-time favorite drummer. The musical way he plays drums is unlike anyone else I've ever heard. He approaches his instrument much differently than 98% of the other drummers out there. He is at once powerful and subtle, rhythmic and melodic. He is truly virtuosic. I am speechless (figuratively and literally -- I'm nursing a very a scratchy throat this morning from screaming my ass off. Good thing I quit smoking last year.) I can't imagine anything topping this show for quite sometime. The Soft Boys are my Beatles and I finally got to see the "fab four". I'm going to be talking about this show for years. > I'm told a topic of discussion at the fegdinner (which we missed) was if I > had to choose between seeing the soft boys or seeing the Giants in the 7th > game of the World Series, which would I choose. When I heard about this I > told 'em it would be the World Series, but after last night I'm > re-thinking... We all knew you'd reconsider. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #113 ********************************