From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #98 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 30 2001 Volume 10 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Just thought you might like to know... [The Great Quail ] Re: anyone can play guitar? ["Mike wells" ] PDX Tix [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Nick Cave in Chicago ["Jason R. Thornton" ] vancouver ["victorian squid" ] Re: anyone can play guitar? ["Randy R." ] Re: Robyn Video CD for Trade ["linnig" ] Re: dear feggy [Ben ] Re: SBs song by KR? [Bayard ] almost forgot to say... [Bayard ] Re: UM review in USA Today, of all places [Ken Weingold ] Re: Alfred W. [Jeff Dwarf ] soft boys, schmoft boys ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Just thought you might like to know... There's this crazy site that seems to have an interesting quote of the day.... http://www.TheModernWord.com/ - --Quail PS: If anyone knows any other really good, short, pithy Robyn quotes, please send them to me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:17:10 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Soft Boys at SXSW (Phoenix New Times)--excerpt From the current edition of the Phoenix New Times-- Q: What was this year's "big" show? A: Like last year, SXSW 2001 was without a true "must-see" event, something the conference has been lacking since Tom Waits' comeback performance at the Paramount Theater in 1999. But if there was one had-to-be-there show, it was Saturday night's Soft Boys reunion. The English psychedelic new wavers' return was ostensibly to promote Matador's expanded rerelease of the group's classic 1980 album Underwater Moonlight; a national tour is set to follow, though it will get no closer to Phoenix than L.A. As a side note, we enjoyed a face-to-face meeting with Soft Boys leader Robyn Hitchcock in the lobby of Austin's Hyatt. As we passed through the hotel's revolving door, we encountered a chatty Hitchcock -- no doubt going on about the merits of elves, frogs, Chinese water pythons and the like. Locking eyes, he stopped mid-revolution and greeted us with a thumbs up and strange cooing noise, a gesture of friendship which we returned with a hearty "Waaaaaaassssssuuuuuup!!!! Full article and photo of Robyn in action at: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2001-03-29/music2.html?src=newsletter Later, Marc I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. --- Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:24:19 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Attn: Detroit-area fegs Detroit-Area Fegs, Is the plan still to meet at INNseason at 7:00, or is it 6:00 at the veggie place? Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:20 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Attn: Detroit-area fegs My weekend of following the Soft Boys around the Midwestern US is about to begin. My plans for tomorrow (Detroit) are a little up in the air, at the moment. I've been dilatory in solidifying them. I'm flying into Detroit from Chicago, and arriving at the Detroit airport at 1:55PM. At some point, I have to meet Carissa, as she has my ticket for the show, but my entire afternoon is free. I'm trying to avoid the extra expense of renting a car, so I'm hoping there is sufficient public transportation in Detroit upon which I can rely heavily. Does anyone have any suggestions of things I can do/see in Detroit on a Thursday afternoon? Never been there, but it would be preferable if someone could recommend a certain area of town where there were perhaps several items of interest, so that I could make my way via public transportation from the airport, and then kill several hours without having to travel again. Also, anyone who can tell me specifics about any pre-show meeting plans, that'd be great. Carissa sent me an email from the road indicating "dinner at the veggie place" at around 6PM, but I don't know where that is, or anything else about it. Thanks -- looking forward to doing some feg meeting, and REALLY looking forward to these three shows. * Aaron mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net http://aaron.hollowstreets.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: anyone can play guitar? On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I've had guitars available to me for many years, like at least 10 by now, but > because I never really practice much of anything (I get as far as providing > myself chords to sing over, since my voice is my "primary instrument") I > still can't really do anything with them. I know notes, chords, basic music > theory, reading tab (duh), the whole bit, but I'm planning to commit to getting > better in my fingers and not just in my head. with the caveat that i don't think of myself as a "good" guitarist...yet... my usual obnoxious thoughts. there is no substitute for practice. for years i played one or two nights a week, then i started playing for an hour or two a day. the difference is night and day. pay attention to ergonomics though and don't fuck up your wrists or fingers. it takes a long time to get good at singing AND playing together. you will never do both as well as you can do either alone. (i bet that's true even for the likes of Rchard Thompson). the only way to do it well is to do it enough that you can put your attention where you need it and trust your fingers or your larynx do to what you've trained 'em to -- i.e., the only way to do it well is to do it a lot. rock songs built around guitar technique are crap. write a good song, something you can hum in the shower, and use your flash technique to craft an arrangement that bolsters the song. Robert Fripp is probably an exception to this rule, but we *have* one Robert Fripp already (ok i've thought of four or five other exceptions, and Yngwie Malmsteen is *not* one of them.) after struggling for years to improve my ear i started playing bass in a poppish band with a guy who uses the keith richards open G tuning, and this was dyn-o-mite for ear training. why? playing bass makes me focus on the root note, and the overall harmonic structure of the tune, rather than worring about all the other notes in the arrangement. i don't always PLAY the root, mind you, but i always have to know where it is, and where it's going to go next. playing with a guy with wack tuning is good because it was much harder at first to cheat by looking at his hands to see what he was doing. i do think it's instructive to dissect something you like and figure out how to play the parts, but i think it's empty if you don't also think about *why* you liked it in the first place. there's a million I-IV-V's in the key of A; some are much better than others. a lot of times a song works just because of the intensity of a given performance, and if you realize that, you realize you may not be able to learn much from it. aforesaid pop band sometimes runs through "Now I Wanna Be Your Dog" because it's fun for us; we'll probably never do it live, because it would be a joke --- there is no James Osterberg in our band, y'know? ... so what the heck *is* it with '52 vincent? i don't get it. i'm definitely a richard thompson fan in general, but it's a corny story, and not as far as i can see anywhere near his most compelling melody or most interesting guitar work. i would go home happier if i could see an RT show and *not* hear it. - -- d. np red kross _third eye_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:02:34 -0600 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Re: anyone can play guitar? Hey Andrew: With a knowledge of music theory, you've already lapped a lot of prospecting guitarists out there! If you're happy with being able to accompany yourself with simple chords and want to improve your chops, there's nothing for it but practice (and this goes for both hands - I've fingerpicked my whole life and often find myself working on my right (picking) hand more than the fretting hand). You can learn by method, by lesson, and by ear. I've tried all three, and it was a combination that worked best; it has always seemed a little silly to say "only this method will work" - perhaps that is the case for some but certainly not in my experience. It's great fun learning to pick out songs by your favorite performers by ear, and it's very rewarding. There usually are plenty of technique-building songs that you will like enough to learn, it just requires some discipline (and lots of time, if you're like me). As an example, I cut my teeth trying to pick out Rush songs - why not go for the best - with my playing friends. Many hours were whiled away rewinding and playing tapes (yes, tapes) until we had picked out every last note. Alex's arpeggiated lines/power chords and Geddy's rumbling bass was my "ear school," and it was showy music with which you could entertain a basement and look good doing it. But as good as this type of thing was, I was still limited by this type of exposure. I really hate giving advice ;-p but since you asked, I would only recommend you set up an introductory lesson with a respected guitar teacher in your area and have him (or her) advise you. They will be able to see where you're strong and weak, and construct exercises to fill in the gaps. They can also point you towards method materials which are more specifically geared to your needs (i.e. scale exercises), which you can practice in your own time. Finally, if you really like your instructor take a few lessons and see how it goes. Remember you can always pick out stuff by ear for fun. You'll be amazed at how much your ability to do this improves by learning the basic vocabulary and technology of the instrument, through lessons or methods or what have you. And practice. Lots and lots of practice. Michael " What can this strange device be When I touch it, it gives forth a sound " > >So the question is: what's the best way (or what are some good ways) to make > >progress at the stage I'm at? Should I be trying to learn songs by my favorite > >artists? Should I be focusing on more advanced/colorful techniques so that I > >will understand said songs when I'm finally ready to play them? Or should I > >just keep messing around until I find songs springing from my fretboard (the > >current, not very successful, strategy)? > one thing I've tried which works to some extent is to find songs that you > like which have simple chord structures and are fairly sparse. Then simply > play along with them, ignoring the vocals and picking out what sound like > reasonable lead breaks over the chords - sort of 'instrumental karaoke'. > It's slow at first (especially if you have trouble playing by ear), but I > found when I was working at music on a more full-time basis that this > method allowed me to work out more melodic guitar patterns with my own > music. ISTR that very good starter ones for me included Jerry Harrison's > "Man with a gun", "Dirt" by PCO, and "Everything merges with the night" by > Eno, but something like "Airscape" would work just as well... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: PDX Tix Hey all. I've got an extra ticket for the Portland show at the Pine Street next Thursday. I'll be happy to sell it for face value. Please contact me off-list. Thanks, - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:26:03 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Nick Cave in Chicago At 09:28 AM 3/29/01 +0100, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >and if you want to hear a sound that REALLY sucks, you should hear it >bowed -- Julian K of Neutral Milk Hotel did/does this, and the sound is >both loud and annoying... but in a good way. Oh yeah... I saw Julian's band The Music Tapes once. He played banjo pretty much the entire set, mostly strumming it. He never bowed it, though, so I suppose I missed out on that treat. He did later in the evening join the Oliver Tremor Control for a song, bowing a saw, which was actually quite pleasant. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:14:27 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: vancouver anyone? bueller? mail me if you would please. Susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:16:48 -0800 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: anyone can play guitar? From: Mike wells As an example, I cut my teeth trying to pick out Rush songs - why not go for the best - with my playing friends. I have no way to respond to this : ) > " What can this strange device be > When I touch it, it gives forth a sound " I dunno about this one. It seems to me that the guitar would be grossly out of tune by the year 2112, and the moisture from the waterfall would definitely have warped it beyond any hope. Thoughts anyone? ; ) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:13:11 -0700 From: "linnig" Subject: Re: Robyn Video CD for Trade I'd be interested in a trade - attached is my list. Thanks Terry - ----- Original Message ----- From: Slowcrack To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Robyn Video CD for Trade > greetings all!! > i'm new to the fegmania list, but a fan since '87, located in maryland, usa. > i've got a robyn video Video cd-rom i'd like to offer up to everyone for trade (i will not sell > this cd, so please don't ask) -- i'm searching for just about any live recording (audience++ or > soundboard)-- > > Video Contents: > * Ultra Unbelievable Love - LIVE - Performed live on Dennis Miller show, March 1992. Robyn w/ > Morris and Andy. > * Driving Aloud (Radio Storm) - MUSIC VIDEO - recorded from MTV circa 1993/94 - features brief > interview with Robyn describing how/where the video was shot. > * So You Think Your In Love - MUSIC VIDEO - recorded from MTV 120min circa '92. > * Freeze - LIVE - from the show on HBO last year (can't recall the name) - recorded at the > Electric Factory in Philly circa '97. Solo w/ electric. > * BRENDA OF THE LIGHT BULB EYES - (complete A+M) MUSIC VIDEO Compilation: One Long Pair OE, > Madonna OT Wasps, Balloon Man, Raymond Chandler, Brenda's (live), Dream of Trains, Light bulb > Head. > > This is a Video CD format - playable on just about all PC DVD-ROM and CD-ROM drives (via Windows > Media Player, Real Player with CD/DVD-ROM drives or any DVD-ROM viewing software on your PC) as > well as certain home DVD players (they must support the VCD format AND CD-R discs). Created from > VHS Tapes using the Terapin Audio Video CD Recorder from TeraOptix. I can provide more info on > this upon request, including a place to get one of these (List price is $ 499)! > > I'd love to get ahold of live stuff - so email me with what ya got (date and quality - setlist not > important) and we'll take it from there. > I also have some Church/Steve Kilbey stuff to offer as well that I'll post to Seance shortly... > > thx! > > - Tery > (slowcrack@yahoo.com) > > > ===== > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/vnd] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:41:33 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: dear feggy > Unfortunately I've misplaced the email of the fine fellow with the > ftp tree up at stats.unidec.co.uk, so hope the open email is OK. I > was very happy to see the Great American Music Hall show turn up on > the server But, a couple of the tracks are cut short or start in the > middle -- specifically tracks 9, 10, and 12 (the last of which lasts > about 4 seconds). Any chance of putting them back up? (And, oh, I > kinda like the Miles Davis stuff.) I uploaded the GAMH but I didn't notice that some of the tracks didn't compe through completely, sorry! There seems to be some weirdness when resuming uploading there, it goes to 100% but then when you look at the file size it still isn't all there. Or it's actully smaller than what it was when you started! Well I think got them finished now by just overwriting the old files. I hope the owner doesn't mind me uploading some shows, I have a few more that I can add. Some electric Miles stuff, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:56:08 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: SBs song by KR? Trivia time: this song starts "My baby and me...". This is where the line in "linctus house," -- that is, "'My baby and me,' as Kimberley would say" ...comes from. (At least, I think so - seems logical, no?) Someone (not a feg, i think) asked kimberley if Bible of Bop would be released on cd, after the boston gig, and he said something to the effect of, records are like children, once they reach a certain age you have to let them go and concentrate on the new ones. (Paraphrasing mightily here) =b On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: > in the PCP interview, Mr. Roo says > "As it happened, the three of us in the Soft Boys did eventually wind up > recording a couple of my songs, a thing called "Stomping All Over the World" > which came out on a single. " > > I'm interested in hearing this--who has it? > is there an MP3 somewhere? > > dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: almost forgot to say... Happy birthday, Mr Mike Godwin! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:45:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: UM review in USA Today, of all places On Wed, Mar 28, 2001, toast@indy.net wrote: > And a review of the _Forever Changes_ reissue to match. > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2001-03-28-classics-revived.htm So THAT'S who originally did Alone Again Or, which The Damned covered! Cool review. Now I am interested to check out Love as well. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:41:05 -0500 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: RE: toxicobiobadstuffology (was something about God concepts and burning plastics) Sorry to everyone if this is way out of topic - but that's what makes this place so cool. Earlier I stated: > > This is the second such statement regarding this being 'physically > > damaging'. I assume you mean in regards to the environment. Can > you > > explain or elaborate, please. I mean, yes, if EVERYONE suddenly > > decided one day to burn all of their plastic and film, it could be > > quite hazardous; but are you suggesting that these few nuts in PA > are > > actually having a physically destructive measurable influence on > > anyone else? > To which Capuchin responded: > Absolutely. The planet is a closed system and these polymers and > their > copolymers and the catalytic residues cannot be incorporated into > natural > processes. They tend to concentrate at certain points in the food > chain > and cause massive disruption. > > Some of the chemicals used are damaging in even very small > quantities. > Burning PET (polyethylene teraphthalate), for example (to pick a > very > common plastic), leaves in the ash and sends into the air a fair > amount of > antimony tribromide (as in, several percent concentration). This is > probably the most carcinogenic substance we, as humans, know how to > produce. If we were to build a "cancer bomb", this is the stuff > we'd put > in it. > I think you are mistaken. Trivalent antimony compounds are indeed nasty stuff, but mainly because of their corrosive nature. There is little (no) evidence for (human or rodent) carcinogenicity of this compound. If you wish to check a very useful database for this and other compounds see: "http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/" and then got the hazardous substance data bank (HSDB) or the Chemical Carcinogenesis Research Information System (CCRIS). I'm not arguing this compound isn't bad, and it is a component of air pollution. However, to make a point here - comparing this stuff with acetic acid; it has about the same effect on people and other living things; however, once diluted, it is relatively harmless. In fact I used diluted acetic acid (vinegar) on my salad at dinner yesterday. (But I don't think antimony tribromide would taste as good.) I guess the point is that for the vast majority of chemicals (all?), a low enough exposure limit can be established to avoid environmental or health hazards. I also want to comment on the "cancer bomb" remark. I don't know why someone would do such a thing. After all, cancer is essentially a disease of aging, and any effect of the bomb would have to take one or more generations to work. I think the best cancer bomb may have already been used - nuclear weapons and radioactive fallout. However, I would rank dioxin and benzo(a)pyrene high on my list - but I'm not a toxicologist. Carcinogenecity is rather tough to get a measure on "strength". This is interesting - I've never thought of ranking carcinogens - I'll ask around here to see if such a list exists, and let you know. Hmmm. > And what do you do with the waste afterward? If these chemicals > aren't > handled carefully and in a technological manner (as opposed to a > biological one), they will continue to toxify their surroundings. > Hydrolysis tests show that most consumer plastics are unstable and > it is > assured that most plastics leach toxins into the water table. Again > PET > (soda bottles, etc.) exudes acetic aldehyde and 1,4-dioxane over > time. > I'm not sure what you mean by technological vs biological handling, but probably has to do with how these compounds are degraded. I mostly agree with you, and therefore support recycling, reducing and reusing plastic (and other) products. However... > These things are EXTREMELY damaging to individual organisms in SMALL > quantities. So yes, one religious group in Pennsylania is doing > serious > physical damage. Far worse than, say, keeping a child in the > basement and > beating it daily. > NO FUCKING WAY. To any of this statement, in fact, no fucking way. First of all, there are safe exposure limits - like it or not! To just about everything, too. People who are so anti-technology need to realize this. You can oppose the use of technology (chemical synthesis) on moral grounds, or oppose the capatilistic principles upon whcih the industry is run, whatever, but you are mistaken when you think every damned synthetic chemical is bad! There are hundreds of NATURALLY OCCURING compounds which are far more carcinogenic and toxic than those you mentioned - and we're only beginning to find out about these. And, I hope you were kidding about the kid beating - but I'm afraid you weren't, in this context. You think child abuse doesn't have social consequences? You don't think these social consequences are far more destructive to our race and our planet than burning a few kilograms of plastic? Come 'on, man. I didn't think you were that extreme. > In addition to the immediate effects on the few organisms directly > damaged, the compounds linger in the soil and water, concentrating > in some > places and destroying in others... for hundreds, if not thousands, > of > years. > Yes, there are compounds which can linger for centuries and there are those that can concentrate in certain regions or food chains. Too this we agree. And we should do what we can to do eliminate that risk and exposure. > Yeah, I focussed on that one kind of plastic because it's an easy > one off > the top of my head without checking any reference materials. But > the > arguments (and the dangers) related to burning video tapes, CDs, and > other > consumer plastics are equal if not greater. > I have access to lots of government and nongov't databases, if you are interested. Either you were confused about the SbBr3 or you need new references (or the government does?) > > However, you are certainly anything BUT short-sighted - and you > can't > > be angry with those who are either short-sighted or plain stupid. > > > Was this a typo? I sure as hell CAN be angry with those who are > short-sighted or stupid. In fact, I am. But pretty much only when > their > stupidity or short-sightedness has impact outside of their stupid or > short-sighted lives. > No typo. Ignorance can/should be forgiven. Its the misuse and corrupt use of knowledge that makes me angry. I guess purposeful ignorance is just as bad too. > > Being purposefly short-sighted for immediate gains; deceit; > > obstructing the truth; these are the things that should piss you > off - > > not the half-assed attempts of some dimwitted zealots in rural PA > to > > influence pop culture. > > Again, their influence on pop culture is their own. They have every > right > to go about that sort of work. It's their influence on the air, > water, > and soil that I cannot abide. > Do you get as mad at traffic jams? (Far more pollutioon there!) And also - next time you THINK you are throwing away harmless vegetable matter - realize that vegetables have toxins too! How else do you think they fight off natural predators (insects). I'll look for that list of natural carcinogens, if you're interested. Some are pretty surprising. > Their influence on culture can be counteracted with the spread of > knowledge and information. And as I've said on this list literally > HUNDREDS of times, knowledge and information are in infinite supply > and > are easily transported. So I don't worry there at all. > Only by using polluting computers and other electronic devices : ) Seriously, not everyone cares to use a computer at home - and not everyone has the luxury to use it like I do at 'work'. Someone like you should be careful of that word "infinite". Taken to its end, the "infinite" supply of information would consume our planets resources much sooner. > But cleaning up the mess they're making of the physical world, > that's > harder and requires more scarce resources and, in some cases, > knowledge > we're yet to discover. > > I should talk to you some time about biological and technological > cycles, > how the two should/can never mix and how we can improve the quality > of > both technology and the enviornment as well as our quality of life. > > There are just a few simple principles and they all have to do with > using > what you've got and respecting whence a thing comes and where it > goes. > I would like that - to talk to you. This techno/bio cycle sounds interesting. Your passion is inspiring, and although we disagree and can argue details and larger philosophies, keep in mind - I'm on your side. Cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:03:14 -0800 From: "Crazy Unca' Nick" Subject: Re: Feg Fotos! Quail scratched: > I spent the last hour or so putting together a simple photo album of > the New York & Boston stops made by Crazy Eddie's Feg caravan.... > > The URL is: > > http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/feg2001 > > ... Some of them really look good They sure do! An awesome collection of pixels Q-man. > Crazy Unka Nick, feel free to poach what you wish! Well, I'll start with a couple of eggs (not quail eggs, though. I prefer those boiled), and then I'll add some of the best of these great pics (a tough choice) to Fegfotos. That will increase the number of Fegs pictured (maybe even take the total over 100!!) and allow them to be indexed and searched along with the others. Great job! I'm looking forward to seeing loads more 'fotos' from the rest of the tour. ~N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:50:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Alfred W. hbrandt wrote: > Art (MAUS) Spiegelman on MAD Magazine: "The irony in Mad was a useful > device to screen and protect oneself from a deadening mass culture. > Now the deadening mass culture uses the weapons of satire and irony > to immobilize us. We live inside the ironic spin room watching > ourselves get shafted by our politicians, who use the same techniques > once effective as a distancing device. They make us feel we are in on > the joke, but in the end they are laughing at us. After all, Alfred > E. Neuman has become president." > > Proof: > > http://www.thenation.com/images/homepage/covers/20001113_big.jpeg plus, Tom Tomorrow had been drawing him that way for months.... ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:26:13 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: soft boys, schmoft boys All this yapping about some obscure bunch of English misfits... can we get back to some serious political carping please...? jmbc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #98 *******************************