From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #95 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 28 2001 Volume 10 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alfred W. [hbrandt ] soft boys/ eddi reader ["mike hooker" ] RE: a future for SBs?? ["Yudt.Matthew" ] Re: couplets/Napsta [Capuchin ] RE: ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: lewd couplets [The Great Quail ] re:Irving Plaza and such [MPys2626@aol.com] [Ebmaniax] Another brilliant show... [Eb ] Re: Don't look back [Tom Clark ] RE: Hope this is the right address [MPys2626@aol.com] washington post concert review [recount chocula ] brand new boots and panties [hbrandt ] boston globe concert review [recount chocula ] paradise by the underwater moonlight [Ken Ostrander ] train without a buffet car ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:19:41 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Alfred W. Art (MAUS) Spiegelman on MAD Magazine: "The irony in Mad was a useful device to screen and protect oneself from a deadening mass culture. Now the deadening mass culture uses the weapons of satire and irony to immobilize us. We live inside the ironic spin room watching ourselves get shafted by our politicians, who use the same techniques once effective as a distancing device. They make us feel we are in on the joke, but in the end they are laughing at us. After all, Alfred E. Neuman has become president." Proof: http://www.thenation.com/images/homepage/covers/20001113_big.jpeg /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:43:59 -0500 From: "mike hooker" Subject: soft boys/ eddi reader hi, i finished the irving plaza soft boys discs and there was a lot of room left on disc two. i felt it was silly to leave 55 minutes of blank space, so i put another show on it. the artist i put on has zero to do with robyn, and is not in anyway ever closely related musically. i put her on in the hope that most will find her as enjoyable as i do. the artist is Eddi Reader. the show is her opening for jimmy webb( who totally sucked) at the bottom line on 2-23-01. she has a new record out, simple soul, and i simply adore her. get artist and great person. does anyone have an opinion of her one way or the other? she has a pretty good fanbase in the UK , but cant get arrested here . if just a few people that get these discs in trade like her, then its way better than unused disc space. if you really like it, please buy her record at www.compassrecords.com . take at look at my music trading list http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:16:11 -0500 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: RE: a future for SBs?? > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:16:41 -0000 > From: "In Praise Of Limestone" > Subject: [none] > > Randi excited: > >And if Robyn's coming up with new songs during the tour > >it just screams "we're going to make another album." > > To which Eddie enthused: > >The dual-guitar workout on Mr. Kennedy alone is enough > >to make me pine for a new SB record. And Sudden Town is a great > >tune. > >Pulse of Your Heart, Evil Guy, My Mind is Connected to Your Dreams > >... > >Hey, > >there's half an album already! > > And I will extravi-navigate further... > So it seams increasingly likely that this will NOT be the last SB tour!? I've kinda got that vibe from reading some of the posts here. I am SOOOO bummed I couldn't make the trek to DC last week, but I am just HOPING that I didn't really miss a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see these guys live. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:43:21 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: couplets/Napsta On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Bayard wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/dailynews/story/0,2000013063,20211567,00.htm I certainly hope you'll turn out at the Congressional hearing on April 3, Bayard. Looks like the best thing the RIAA can do is take away your ability to listen to CDs on your computer at all. This is a clear example of how the powers that be are threatened by capable people. Give the people an all-purpose tool and the power structures will limit its use. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:03:49 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Kay: FYI, I'm Ed (or Ayed), so as not to be confused with Eddie Tews (though, at 6'5" 275 lb., few are likely to make that mistake with me, in person anyway -- I could fit two Eddie Tews under this skin). Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. I think we can give Bayard a break (just this once, OK?) on updating the lyric-base with the new tunes; Matthew's tour diary for SXSW said that "Sudden Town" didn't have lyrics yet, when they played it there, but it did in Baltimore two nights later! (it IS a pretty long flight from Austin to Baltimore...) (on the other hand, Mr. Kennedy has been around for awhile). Sudden Town is my favorite of the new crop, probably my favorite Robyn tune in years (certainly musically, with hooks that sound SO soft boys; lyrically the jury is still out -- and Robyn's written some great lyrics in the last few years - -- I particularly like 1974 and Where Do You Go When You Die -- but that is another discussion). Wasn't there some mention awhiles back of -- at least - -- a live album commemorating this tour? - -ed - -----Original Message----- From: In Praise Of Limestone [mailto:theyarenotlong@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:17 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Randi excited: >And if Robyn's coming up with new songs during the tour >it just screams "we're going to make another album." To which Eddie enthused: >The dual-guitar workout on Mr. Kennedy alone is enough >to make me pine for a new SB record. And Sudden Town is a great >tune. >Pulse of Your Heart, Evil Guy, My Mind is Connected to Your Dreams >... >Hey, >there's half an album already! And I will extravi-navigate further... The new stuff is great(IMalmostHO.) I just got utterly lost in the guitar bits at the end of Mr Kennedy(I felt like I was just one pair of long winging ears held together by glasses...and believe it or not, that felt - -good- :-). Also--per usual, loved the words I could pick up. Ive surveyed Bayard's excellent lyric site, but alas, most of the new songs arent there. Does anyone have the lyrics? This stuff cant just be left to our fan recordings. Besides, the old UM I have has one of my favorite Robyn art bits on the cover(looks like a pen & colored pencils panorama of lake, land and sky, with all sorts of metamorphasizing creatures/things about) and maybe he'd outdo that on a new cover(yes--it would -have- to have a vinyl release just so the cover could be large.) Randi--enjoy, enjoy Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:29:13 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: lewd couplets >The later variation - ""Girls were decked with flowers and ovulated..." That's what I'm pretty sure he sang in Philly and Boston.... Oh, and about Tan Dun, in reference to something Eb said -- the "song" from CTHD was lame, yes. But the score itself was great -- and Tan Dun has written some amazing music; see "Ghost Opera" and "Death and Fire." His Chinesze lounge songs are not at all to my taste, though.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:46:59 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: re:Irving Plaza and such >>Showed DID used to start a lot later. I was just looking at some old ticket stubs (I always saved them when I got them) and lots of shows in NY, like The Ritz, did indeed open the doors at 10. But the problem of The Ritz was that they were always slow as hell between bands.<< Yeah, The Ritz was notorious for lag time between bands. I recall a Cult show in 85...opening band (The Clintons) went off by midnight...Cult came on after two, WNEW broadcast that so maybe that was the problem. I often wonder why/when/whathaveyou shows begun to start earlier. The advent of all ages started back in the eighties, around the time they raised the drinking age in NY. It seems like it's just been the past few years, sheesh, there are some 7 o'clock door times. By the time some get off the job, do whatever they have to do...it's hard to make it! Somebody mentioned their first Robyn experience being an Irving show in March 86....openers were the fabulous Dancing Hoods (12 Jealous Roses was a great elpee!)...twas at that show...we actually attended the Cult/Divinyls at the Beacon before and raced down just as the Hoods were cranking up. Good recollection...good show as I recall! First Robyn/Egyptians show was at Irving in June of 85...I think I saw him every time he played there or The Ritz clubs. >>City Gardens! Wow. Only time I was there was I think 1989. What a shithole, huh? Trenton....oh brother...always an experience going to City Gardens. Too bad you weren't at the Easter Eve Robyn and the Egyptians show! Another good one. I had a great connection at A&M back then that got us upstairs afterwards...hence...my one and only Robyn communion. Very cool indeed. He was such a gracious guy...he actually offered me his shoe! Long story. I worked at a record then...he asked my date and I what we did for a living...when I told him...he asked if I stocked something he was in need of. I had it! It waas a boot of his. He asked if I could send it to him via a label rep there at the time and if Laura and I could sign it! Go figure....Robyn has something I autographed. I'd love to know if Karen Glauber got it to him or if he still has it for that matter. Be Good and keep those Soft Boys reviews comin' in! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [Ebmaniax] Another brilliant show... Firstly, Drew's account of Nick Cave's SF show made me realize that I forgot to even *mention* Neko Case in my own commentary. Oops. (She had a pleasing, powerful voice, but was way too straight for the Cave demographic. I still think she was booked primarily because her *name* is so similar!) Moving on.... I did get to see Richard Thompson and Amy C. last night, though I wasn't sure I was going until about 5 pm yesterday. I was told Thompson's menagerie had a snarl of about *200* tickets waiting at will-call (was this show *all* industry??), and as a result, I was directed to drive beforehand to the Capitol Records building itself, and pick up my ticket at the security desk. Kind of a dicey arrangement, full of potential for mishap, but it worked out. However, due to this major Sunset Strip detour before driving over to the Troubadour in West Hollywood, I arrived 15-20 minutes into Amy's set (which started kinda early, at 8 pm). Phooey. Oh well...this was an easier pill to swallow, since her setlist still hasn't changed a lick. ;) I don't have much left to say about AC, at this point. However, since I hadn't seen her since last September, it was interesting to compare the September, 2000 Amy with the March, 2001 version (after six months of gritty touring around the country). Symbolism: She left in a red silk shirt, but came back in a faded denim jacket. Aha. Her hair dye was irregularly growing out, and, well, she has gained a few pounds (shhhhh). She obviously has some miles behind her! Heh. I still was enraptured, of course. I think her vocal phrasing has gained some confidence/maturity over the past months, and I also think she might have added a couple of new bits to her one post-LP tune, "The Prison Song." She was still accompanied solely by her cellist, and still encored with "La Vie en Rose" (which seemed a bit worn 'n' tired by now, unfortunately...don't sing with your hands stuffed in your pockets, Amy!). After her set, she told me she's about to move to New York for a spell, so look out, Manhattan Fgz.... Thompson was a total knockout. The Soft Boys had better be good, because Cave and Thompson have posed some stiff competition. :) I had no idea that this would be a solo acoustic show -- I assumed it would be another full-band gig like the other two times I've seen him. But nope, just him and his six-string. And it was *spellbinding*. I had been up in the club's private "Loft" bar between sets, talking to Amy and whoever else, but left that schmooze scene behind to watch Thompson from the balcony (also cordoned off for the night...I have never seen this done, before). Well, I sure didn't regret being "anti-social," because I was completely mesmerized by his set. He was wearing his usual black, baldness-hiding beret, and (I think) a black T-shirt and black pants as well. Damn, he's an amazing guitarist. It was hard to remember that most of these songs were originally arranged for a band, because *nothing* was missing in the music. He's simply brilliant at integrating rhythm chords with lead melodies. Far better than Hitchcock, frankly -- one of the things which grates on me about RH's acoustic shows is how his instrumental breaks always go into that roly-poly lead thing he does, and all the chords drop out. ("Roly-poly" is just my own idiosyncratic description -- what I mean is how he repeatedly returns to sliding pairs of adjacent notes, up and down the fretboard. Kinda like an acoustic version of Eno's "Burning Airlines" introduction, if this helps illustrate.) Anyway, Thompson was amazing. I don't think there were any major surprises in his set, but he did play that hilarious Kenny G novelty which I posted awhile back. He also sang "Persuasion" (the previously unreleased song from his new Capitol anthology) as an encore, with guest vocals from his 19-year-old daughter Camilla. I believe I heard talk around me, which said this was her first time onstage? Dunno. He also played one early song, which I'm not sure I can identify. I *thought* he said it was an early Fairport tune, but upon websurfing for the lyrics, I think it may have been Richard & Linda's "The Great Valerio." Maybe I'm wrongly blending two memories, here. Admittedly, my music collection is missing several early Thompson releases, so such songs don't necessarily ring a bell. He told some funny stories, from days of yore. Apparently, the Troubadour held a lot of memories for him, and Fairport Convention had played there back in 1970. He said their bar tab was probably larger than their pay, that night. ;) They opened for -- get this -- Ricky Nelson! He also remembered another night when Fairport Convention was joined onstage by *Led Zeppelin*. Wow...can you imagine having *that* show in your memory banks?? I'm not sure whether he meant all four members or not -- certainly, he explicitly mentioned Bonham destroying "every drumhead in the house." He also told a funny story about running into Robert Plant on the street, awhile back. He said he had just been in some large UK shopping center called Hendon, and had bought one of those fold-out gates you use in your home to keep a wandering baby from falling down the stairs. So, he saw Plant, smiled and said something like "Funny I should run into you -- I was just thinking about you, because I was *buying a Stairgate in Hendon*." Ouch, that pun is *lethal*! I wonder if that's really a true story, or just a gag. He went onto mimic Plant's puzzled/irritated expression in reaction, which was quite funny too. Near the end of Thompson's set, I squeezed back up to the Loft again (this was a packed house, despite the atypically high $20 ticket price) because I wondered if there might be some sort of aftershow meet-and-greet. I had a pen and my Mock Tudor booklet in my pocket too, in case Thompson dropped by. I do enjoy getting those CDs signed, and it's so easy to slip a jewelbox into my jacket. ;) Well, I stumbled onto quite a scene. There were only a dozen people in the room when I re-entered, but as soon as Thompson left the stage...POW! Folks were rolling in there like oranges. Men suddenly entered bearing a wastebasket full of ice and free beer. There was also a large coffee dispenser, a couple of fruit/vegetable plates and a box of Mrs. Fields cookies/brownies. Some notable names piled in, too -- Rufus Wainwright (very briefly), Lisa Loeb (wow, she's cute...too bad her music is so unbearable) and two gen-oo-ine legends: Bonnie Raitt and John Densmore! Kinda exciting, to see those latter two up close. I suspect there were a couple of other noted musicians too, who were from before my time and hence unidentifiable. And yes, after a bit, Thompson himself entered, now changed into an informal baseball cap, shirt and shorts. He signed my CD and we exchanged a few friendly lines, but I didn't pursue any major conversation with him. He was very friendly, and happily talking to everyone. Saw him give Raitt a big hug....awww. Actually, he was so friendly that he outlasted most of the guests! By the time I left, there were only about 20 people in there, and he was *still* chatting away with fans. Meanwhile, those Loft treats were good, but now I'm sorry I ate them: My throat is just *burning*, today. I sure catch germs, easy. :( Eb, trying to duck the usual flock of women screaming "ZINC!! ECHINACEA!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:53:03 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Don't look back on 3/28/01 3:52 AM, Michael R Godwin at hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > And his gofer, > Neuwirth, comes across as pretty snide too. > > Was he the young Brit who drank a lot? Or the American who looked like Sterling Morrison? > > PS What is that song he sings? Even Donovan wouldn't have been naive > enough to sing 'I love my shirt' in that company. I think it must have > been "To sing for you"... Yes, that was it. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:06:40 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: RE: Hope this is the right address Cynthia says: > Cynthia > > - ------------------------- > ...the Young Fresh Fellows, > described by Hitchcock as > "possibly the rock 'n' roll > band in the world." > - ------------------------- Well, Scott of the YFF said saturday night that the Soft Boys and Young Fresh Fellows are "the two gayest sounding bands around" or something to that effect....hmmmnnnn. Hope he was only alluding to their chosen handles . ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:22:02 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: washington post concert review Soft Boys: Angry Young Men, 20 Years Later Friday, March 23, 2001; Page C06 In 1980, the Soft Boys released an album of melodic but uneasy folk-rock, "Underwater Moonlight." On Wednesday night at the 9:30 club, the British quartet finally played a Washington show to promote it. The Boys split in 1981 without ever doing an American tour, but "Underwater Moonlight's" enduring appeal and singer-songwriter Robyn Hitchcock's subsequent solo career has kept the band's legend fresh. Several hundred fans turned out to hear the reunited Boys play much -- but not all -- of the 1980 album, as well as other songs from that era and a few tunes that Hitchcock described as being from "the next record." With Kimberley Rew shaking his guitar to produce bell-like notes and drummer Morris Windsor adding high harmonies atop Hitchcock's tenor, the Boys sounded something like the Byrds, whose arrangement of "The Bells of Rhymney" was among the set's many encores. Yet both the music's vehemence and the songs' queasy view of romance reminded listeners that the group forged its sound in the punk era. The set had many playful touches, including the unexpected reappearance of the opening act, the Young Fresh Fellows, to perform the mock-anthemic "Give It to the Soft Boys." But after Hitchcock dedicated "I Wanna Destroy You" to George W. Bush, the Boys didn't play the song as if they were joking. - -- Mark Jenkins ) 2001 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:33:55 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: brand new boots and panties A RealAudio curio - McCartney (w/the Blockheads) covering Ian Dury's "Partial To Your Abracadabra": http://www.geocities.com/paulsnewtrack/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:36:08 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: boston globe concert review Years later, Soft touch still satisfies By Joan Anderman, Globe Staff, 3/28/2001 Like a lot of unsung musical heroes, the Soft Boys were in the right place at the wrong time. They were playing intelligent, literate music in the late 1970s, when the fashion was vacant arena rock, tempestuous punk, and disco. There was no reference point for the Soft Boys' mixture of jangly guitar and neo-psychedelia, and quirky frontman Robyn Hitchcock's surreal lyricism didn't endear his fledgling band to fist-pumpers, anarchists, or the dance- floor contingent. Too clever for their own good, the Soft Boys drifted into oblivion after releasing two albums. Matador Records has just reissued the Soft Boys' swan song, 1980's ''Underwater Moonlight,'' in celebration of its 20th anniversary. And since the group split up without ever doing an American tour, Monday's show at the Paradise had the feel of an insanely delayed gig to promote the album, much of which they played. If the response from the packed audience was any indication, the Soft Boys can look forward to a soft landing, and a warm welcome, circa 2001. Hitchcock - whose solo career has endured, thanks to a deeply weird blend of English folk-rock songcraft and deranged wit - returned to the fold with his own particular brand of grace intact. He accessorized the paisley guitar riffs of the album's title track with a stream-of-consciousness, spoken-word segment about birth. That oddly enough set the stage for the dirty-groove- slathered ''Old Pervert,'' a song that Hitchcock said should be especially enjoyed by those who are uncertain about the male's role in sexual relationships. Then he apologized to anyone who'd seen the New York show for forgetting the name of the third animal one must be nice to: the Mongolian gerbil. As if it's the thinking man's only rational response, nonsense is heralded in Hitchcock's musical cosmos. The Soft Boys' sound could have used a bit more of that unhinged approach. Guitarist Kimberly Rew - who went on to form the pop band Katrina and the Waves (''Walkin' on Sunshine'') after the Soft Boys split - played with a manicured gleam that sounded remarkably dated in the postgrunge millennium. Rew may have been the more technically proficient player, but it was Hitchcock's skewed riffs that burrowed to the essence of these songs. The songs themselves stood the test of time - perhaps because they were so ahead of their time 20 years ago. The faux bitterness of ''I Wanna Destroy You'' (dedicated to George W. Bush) and the magnificently wired ''Insanely Jealous'' - a thumbnail sketch that transcends the notion of confessional - evoked a thoroughly modern sense of sinister beauty. Smart songwriting never goes out of style. That goes double for openers the Young Fresh Fellows, described by Hitchcock as ''possibly the rock 'n' roll band in the world.'' The exuberant garage-pop heroes from Seattle debuted in 1984 with the seminal ''The Fabulous Sounds of the Northwest'' and disbanded 10 underappreciated albums later in 1993. The Fellows regrouped to release this year's ''Let the War Against Music Begin/Because We Hate You'' - a double album that packages the band's new material on one disc and frontman Scott McCaughey's other project, the Minus 5 (with R.E.M.'s Peter Buck), on the other. At the Paradise, they let loose nugget after nugget of masterful pop songs, old and new, disguised as amphetamine-laced treats. Twenty-one years into their career, the Young Fresh Fellows still have their fingers on the sweet spot where punk and pop meet. This story ran on page C01 of the Boston Globe on 3/28/2001. ) Copyright 2001 Globe Newspaper Company. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:44:53 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: paradise by the underwater moonlight when i woke up on my couch monday morning, i knew it was going to be an uphill climb to the show. turns out it wasn't the odyssey of eddie&co; but i did feel the need to call in sick to work both monday and tuesday. it gave me time to go down to the paradise in the afternoon and talk to the manager about my desire to videotape the show. when he admitted that the policy was whatever the artist wanted, i knew everything was copacetic. i got in early and scoped out a spot right up front where there was an outlet that i could plug into to keep my battery from running out during the set. after years of correspondence i finally met woj (not jack black), bayard (not confused with anyone), quail (not weird al), and eddie (not me). it was a genuine pleasure. there were quite a few fegs floating around. it was like a convention. the fresh young fellows are loud, raucous, and hysterical. a great mix of covers and originals. i'm still not sure who's more entertaining, the guitarist or the drummer. the boys were in great form. the new songs are fantastic, especially 'mr. kennedy' with the argument between kimberly and robyn's guitars. the one-two punch of 'airscape' into 'insanely jealous' was a dream come true. and who could've predicted three encores? the crowd was very responsive. i got it all on tape except for one little power glitch during the monologue of 'underwater moonlight'. i think that it can be recovered from one of the three recordings that were going on around me. after the show we got to hang out with the band, except for uncle bobby. morris was drinking a shot and a heineken. eddie&co where driving straight to nyc; so i left with the bachelor party for mitch. we went to the bar next door and brought people back to my place to wake up my flat mate. who says that fegs are quiet types? at least this time i made it to my bed. but not before sunrise. i slept most of tuesday. >with UM playing on the discman, and I sang a >verse of Underwater Moonlight >to some cows as I rode by them. They stared >at me but otherwise didn't >react. Conclusion: Cows don't give a crap >about the Soft Boys. Anybody >else try this? How 'bout with other animals? my cat will sit in a chair and listen on headphones. by the way, i've noticed that cows don't react to much of anything. > > Fucking arrogance and short-sightedness. and where have you seen that lately? (insert obligatory corporate reference here) >God hasnt told me recently exactly what he thinks. In fact, maybe its just >me, but I rarely get explicit directions. I may get an insight, I may get >some detachment, I may get some empathy, I may even get the joke ... but I >dont get directives. i'm pretty sure that's the case with most people. sometimes i feel a strange disturbance in the force... > > Well, then get out there and try and stop it. Burning CDs and video > > tapes is EXTREMELY damaging, physically. oh christ! i mean fucking vishnu...i mean...people can't even fucking recycle for crying out loud. this really is just the tip of the iceberg, when you can't keep a handle on large scale pollution from industries. >The kids who want/need this stuff will find it. No silly book-burning or >silly parents will ultimately stop them. personally, i think that exposing your kids to these kinds of things in a controlled way is better than letting them discover them blindly. what the hell are we talking about anyhow? ken "tu vuo' fa l'americano" the kenster np can o' bees ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:48:40 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: train without a buffet car >From: Capuchin >It is careless and unthinking. You say "they've thought quite a bit about >this". That's not quite true. They've thought quite a bit about how it's >going to make them feel to be rid of crap that distracts from the way >they've chosen to live. Why didn't they just donate it to their local thrift shop and use the money spent on the evil stuff by heathens to help people? You know, rid themselves of it the Christian way instead of the Nazi way? Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #95 *******************************