From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #91 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 27 2001 Volume 10 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Afghanistan or Pittsburgh/Taliban or Assembly of God ["Jason R. Thorn] Re: there is a mountain [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] he was white & she was white/1st there is a mountain then ["ross taylor" ] RnR Toilet/Rhymney MP3 [Ben ] [Ebmaniax] Gigs (Two Different Ones) [Eb ] Re: RnR Toilet/Rhymney MP3 ["brian nupp" ] Re: Underwater MOOnlight ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: [Ebmaniax] Gigs (Two Different Ones) ["brian nupp" ] Re: he was white & she was white/1st there is a mountain then [Aaron ] Re: Afghanistan or Pittsburgh/Taliban or Assembly of God ["Stewart C. Rus] Boston 26mar01 [Stefan Cooke ] boot trades [Ken Weingold ] Fwd: FW: dance guide [lj lindhurst ] Re: Underwater MOOnlight ["JH3" ] Re: good breeding in a man [MPys2626@aol.com] and you know where they burn books people are next ["Andrew D. Simchik" <] Re: boot trades [recount chocula ] Soft Boys at 9:30 Club [recount chocula ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:52:32 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Afghanistan or Pittsburgh/Taliban or Assembly of God At 04:00 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Terrence Marks wrote: > > The congregation of a church in suburban Pittsburgh gathered > > around a bonfire Sunday night to burn Harry Potter books, Disney > > videos, rock CDs and literature from other religions, purging their > > lives of things they felt stood between them and their faith. > >Well, it's their stuff and they've got a right to burn it. They're >getting rid of something they own that they feel is interfering with how >they want to live their lives. To me that's about as oppressive as, say, >a "Kill Your Television" bumpersticker. Agreed! Now I'm off to burn my daily Bible and an American flag. And maybe an effigy of Joseph Lieberman, just because. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:35:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: there is a mountain >On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, ross taylor wrote: >> I guess everyone is very much aware that >> "he was white and she was white >> as only statues are" >> has the same basic melody as >> "first there is a mountain then >> there is no mountain then there is" > >Not only am I not aware of it, I have no idea whence the second lyric >comes. Donovan. Aagh! how come I never noticed this before...? James np: XTC - Books are burning James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:02:46 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: he was white & she was white/1st there is a mountain then >From: Capuchin >> "first there is a mountain then >> there is no mountain then there is" >Not only am I not aware of it, I have no idea whence the second lyric >comes. It's by Donovan & it's a major Baby Boomer Chestnut. Go here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000003L5/qid=985657055/sr=1-1/ref=sc_m_2/107-3581498-9219761 & scroll down to "First There is a Mountain" to hear a sample of the Bobs singing that melody. (Or search amazon on the song title if my link didn't paste right). Well, I could be wrong, & the lyrics don't scan like the original lyrics so at least it's sneaky. Or could be subconscious ("There's a lot of truth in a Freudian slip"--RH). But I think musical quotes are cool. Hendrix quoted Sinatra's "Stranger's in the Night" in his middle solo in "Wild Thing," at least the Monteray version. & that was cool, sounded Indian in context. You don't have to be digital to sample. Ross Taylor "woof?" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:21:18 -0500 From: Ben Subject: RnR Toilet/Rhymney MP3 Did anyone who was at the Washington concert download the MP3 and find that it completely lacked any of the energy that came across in person? To me the MP3 it sounded very dry and lifeless, while the concert was fantastic! Is it just me? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:38:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [Ebmaniax] Gigs (Two Different Ones) Saw two more shows, recently. Feeling kinda bleary and non-verbal today, but I'll try. Got home late-ish last night, and spun through most of the (taped) Oscars shindig before going to bed. Thursday night: Went to the Silverlake Lounge, a somewhat seedy bar which holds less than 100 people. I was going primarily to see the long-brewing solo debut of ex-That Dogger Rachel Haden, partly out of musical interest and partly because she's a friend. However, she didn't supply the night's only worthwhile entertainment. The first band, Cornflower, was an informal trio featuring Vivian Trimble, the ex-keyboardist of Luscious Jackson. The lineup was Trimble on vocals/keyboard, a guy on vocals/guitar and another woman solely on vocals. Since there were no drums, obviously it was much more mellow than Luscious Jackson. Actually, the sound was far closer to Vivian's recent Dusty Trails release, a delightfully pretty disc which was horribly overlooked. The group even played three Dusty Trails tracks, which is probably as close as I'll ever get to seeing Dusty Trails live. The setlist also included two songs from the past Ko-Stars album (another Luscious Jackson spinoff), which reminded me that I really want to hear/buy that disc sometime. Biggest minus: The second woman had a shaky voice, and the harmonies didn't gel as a result. Vivian told me she and Josephine Wiggs (ex-Breeders) are working on a second Dusty Trails record, which was pleasing news. I had figured Dusty Trails was probably a one-shot, especially considering the album's commercial failure. Gotta admire Vivian's creative integrity, leaving the strong-selling Luscious Jackson to follow her heart and go back to the bars. The room was quite full, though...almost unpleasantly so. There was one actor in the house, whom I wish I could name -- he seemed to be directly acquainted with the other woman in Cornflower. He's on TV all the time in small roles, usually playing an unlikable, 40something, balding Jewish lawyer or something similar. Kind of a cross between Levitt on "Barney Miller" and that actor who played Ken Wahl's heavy-lidded boss on "Wiseguy." Maybe a pinch of Randy Newman too, minus the incongruous suntan. Anyway.... Next up was a dreadlocked acoustic-guitar guy named Che Arthur, who did nothing at all for me. Then came Haden. In the past, she had told me (with sort of a sighing, disappointed tone) that her sister Petra is into nothing but arty, minimal Steve Reich-type stuff nowadays, and doesn't want to play pop anymore. So, I was figuring Rachel's new music would be more chirpy pop a la That Dog. Bzzzt...wrong. Now I know why I saw her at a Blonde Redhead show a few months back, and why she was raving to me about the band's last album. This was a very different sound for her. Again, no drums, while three guitarists and a bassist backed up Rachel's vocals. (Occasionally, she strummed acoustic guitar in a rather tentative, untrained way.) All of the members were sitting, either on stools or on the stage itself. It was that kind of vibe. I believe one of her guitarists may be a veteran of For Carnation and Slint, but I'm not certain about this. They played six or seven songs, I think, and all were really soft, introspective and slow. Sorta made me nostalgic for the days when I was so infatuated with Hugo Largo, though these songs weren't nearly as affecting. Rachel says she still plans to add drums in the future (a major conceptual step), so this is definitely a work in progress. Hard to have any firm opinion, at this point. She was *so* nervous, before the show...very sweet. Petra wasn't in da house, but her brother Josh (leader of the band Spain) was. So was the guy who used to drum for the Geraldine Fibbers. Moving on.... The headliner was interesting, if not exactly enjoyable. It was a band called the Magic Carpathians, who are from *Poland*. Their set definitely had a strong "alien" feel, and even a bit of musty progginess. The band had four members: an electric bassist, a female singer/moaner who sometimes played guitar, a squatted-on-the-floor drummer who played either tabla or some hand-hit drums which sounded very similar, and a fourth guy who played nothing but esoteric ethnic instruments. Usually, he was playing a variety of long, straight wooden horns, up to five feet in length. They were like what you'd picture a European shepherd using to summon his flock. ;) He also had a mike pointed directly at a small, hand-size tape player, which played ambient nature noises like birds and things. He had a few tapes on the stool -- I noticed one was labeled simply "NEPAL." Huh. The music had a spacy, trance-like tone -- mildly hypnotic, but mostly kinda dull. The full house emptied after Haden's set, and there were only about 10 people watching the Carpathians with full focus. I did see three different people filming the show with videocams, so I guess the band's isolated fans are pretty damn serious about 'em. I definitely smelt "proggie" on the breaths of two heavy-metal-haired dudes in black, wearing obscure band T-shirts. OK, fast-forward to Sunday night. On Friday, I had a ticket for last night's Nick Cave show dumped on me at the last minute, so I eagerly sped off to that event, despite the conflicting Oscar broadcast. I didn't encounter any "Oscar traffic" on the streets, but I didn't look for it either. Maybe I would've explored the town a bit, if I had bothered to learn whether the Oscar parties were. Oh well. Anyway, this was a *damn* good concert. I had only seen Cave once before, all the way back in 1992. That was sort of a fluke show at the Roxy (way too small a club for him), and this remains one of the very best club shows I've ever seen. (*The* best?) That performance was so perfect that I resisted seeing Cave again, until now. Why bother tampering with the past memory? Well, this show turned out to be a wonderful counterpart to the other concert I saw. Whereas the last one was all aggression, confrontation and finger-pointing, this one was far more subdued. Cave sat at the piano, for the entire show. He had three musicians with him, on bass, drums and violin. The drummer and violinist may be from the Dirty Three...I haven't confirmed this yet. Simply put, this was just thoroughly engaging music. I like so many bands with quirky, endearingly flawed singers that it's nice to occasionally see a guy who really has the chops. What an exquisite voice. Just bores a hole into your soul. I can't name all the songs played, but I did notice that a few older pieces were radically recast into a stark, "reflective" style. Certainly "The Mercy Seat," "Papa Won't Leave You, Henry" and the Birthday Party's "Wildworld." There was also a fantastic new song called "God is in the House," which knocked out *everyone*. This is the first time I've ever been to the Wiltern Theater and not seen any celebrities, but this is probably because 1) Cave is more "cultish" than anyone else I've seen there and 2) duh, the Oscars. My seat was pretty good...somewhere between the 15th and 20th row. And I was *very* thankful that I was on the left side, as Cave played facing toward the right side of the crowd -- it drives me *nuts* when I see a piano player, and can't see his/her hands. The show lasted about a hour and a half, including one two-song encore and a quickie second encore (a short, burlesque ditty which ended with something like "now go fuck yourselves, and go home"...heh heh). Nick wore a sleek black suit, with a white dress shirt. Can't remember if he had a tie or not. Probably. The crowd was surprisingly extroverted. This wasn't a "goth" audience at all -- there were scarcely more of those types than at any other show I see. And they were *really* interactive. *Constantly* yelling their requests, wild cheering as the opening bars of songs were recognized...I was pleasantly surprised at how alive the audience was, especially within the stuffy, old-school confines of the Wiltern. I witnessed an amusing, heated argument between one couple and an obnoxious *sshole in the row in front of me, but ehhh...I'm kinda sick of writing this post by now. :) Kind of a mini-flurry of shows happening, right now. I'm probably seeing Richard Thompson and (imagine that) Amy Correia, tomorrow night. And I'm debating whether I can't pass up seeing a rare Jad Fair gig on the 30th.... Eb np: Kirsty MacColl/Tropical Brainstorm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:52:42 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: RnR Toilet/Rhymney MP3 Didn't see the show, but I noticed this somewhat from what I heard. There is little Umph in the bass and the vocals are dry. Maybe a poor mix, but I could tell it was grand live! Brian Still haven't played Got the Hots? >From: Ben >Reply-To: Ben >To: "fegmaniax@smoe.org" >Subject: RnR Toilet/Rhymney MP3 >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:21:18 -0500 > >Did anyone who was at the Washington concert download the MP3 and find >that it completely lacked any of the energy that came across in person? >To me the MP3 it sounded very dry and lifeless, while the concert was >fantastic! Is it just me? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:52:02 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Underwater MOOnlight > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, ross taylor wrote: >> I guess everyone is very much aware that >> "he was white and she was white >> as only statues are" >> has the same basic melody as >> "first there is a mountain then >> there is no mountain then there is" Jeme pleaded ignorance: > Not only am I not aware of it, I have no idea whence the second lyric > comes. Donovan. 'There Is A Mountain" > I also can't seem to make the second one scan to the first's rhythm and, > after all, a melody is a particular sequence of tones in a particular > rhythm. That's 'cuz the Donovan melody has an extra two notes to it. "Only statues are" becomes "Is no mountain, then there is." The two notes that comprise the word "Mountain" would be the bonus notes (I hate when they put the bonus notes in the middle). If you sang "as only only statues are" with the second 'only' being the reverse note-wise of the first 'only', you'd have a note-for-note match. I was just listening to that Donovan tune (and some others) a couple of nights ago. Speaking of Donovan, I'd love to hear the Soft Boys do "Atlantis". Or maybe I wouldn't. Perhaps that's one of those ideas that looks better on paper. And speaking of Underwater Moonlight, I went out for a bike ride yesterday with UM playing on the discman, and I sang a verse of Underwater Moonlight to some cows as I rode by them. They stared at me but otherwise didn't react. Conclusion: Cows don't give a crap about the Soft Boys. Anybody else try this? How 'bout with other animals? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:55:50 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: [Ebmaniax] Gigs (Two Different Ones) And I'm >debating whether I can't pass up seeing a rare Jad Fair gig on the 30th.... > I'd really like to here about this one! Well maybe... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:09:04 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Irving Plaza gig Well I saw the comment that there had not been much feedback on the NY show, so here it is, though I was hoping I wouldn't have to. :) It was great. I never thought I would ever get to see The Soft Boys live, so it was really special. I have been into Robyn since about 1986 and have seen him countless times since The Egyptians. Anyway, The Young Fresh Fellows I thought were great. I love when a band doesn't take itself seriously. Then the Soft Boys. Wow. They really looked comfortable and that they were having a great time. And I was glad that I knew most of their songs. I only have the Rykodisc double CD compilation, but have had it for years. I must say that though I always liked it, after the show I gained new appreciation for all of it. Too bad they didn't play Astronomy Domine as I heard they were supposed to, but was it Only The Stones Remain that they played instead? Fine. :) For I think the second encore, I thought I saw the YFF back on stage in the dark, and was wondering what was going on. They did Give It To The Soft Boys! Very cool. And even cooler was right after that The Soft Boys came back on stage and they all did Queen of Eyes together, completely filling the stage. Robyn said before they started, "Okay, everyone have an instrument?" Great time. I hope that was coherent enough. Nice to be back. I have been on and off this list I think since 1995. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:41:35 -0600 From: Aaron Subject: Re: he was white & she was white/1st there is a mountain then At 08:02 PM 3/26/2001, ross taylor wrote: > >From: Capuchin > >> "first there is a mountain then > >> there is no mountain then there is" > >Not only am I not aware of it, I have no idea whence the second lyric > >comes. > >It's by Donovan & it's a major Baby Boomer >Chestnut. Go here: The melody is similar, but not the same. Disregarding the key difference, one could argue that the first four notes of each musical phrase are similar to sections of "Underwater Moonlight," but they resolve differently. Sadly, I think it's probably nothing more than coincidence, although interesting, nonetheless. * Aaron mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net http://aaron.hollowstreets.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:34:09 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: robyn tour dates? Hi all - need some info for a stateside friend - when and where are the SBs in the Chicago/Milwaukee/Springfield area? Or have they been there already? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:41:00 -0500 From: *twofangs / randi* Subject: boston and toronto I wish I had thought to ask this question yesterday, Does anyone know if the SBs are staying in Boston overnight and flying into Toronto on Wednesday morning ... ... or are they going to be in T.O. on Tuesday? If anyone knows, please let me know, for when Robyn's here, he usually makes it to a club and jams. Also ... Fegs in Toronto head count so far: 01 - Eddie 02 - Carissa 03 - Daniel Saunders 04 - Daniel's friend 05 - Caroline 06 - Sean - get in touch with me please!!!! 07 - my friend Peter 08 - my-ex-evil-boyfriend Tim 09 - Tim's friend Noel 10 - Noel's brother 11 - Tim's ex-ex-girlfriend. 12 - Me! So half of us are fegs! I'm so excited to think I'm going to meet fegs in my own city. If there is anyone else lurking out there ... I'm looking for you : ) Don't be shy, usually *fegs are the nicest people* - (which I think should be our motto) I hope I thanked everyone for their help with my film and film speed question. You fegs always come through for me. lucky to live in this globe of fegs, Randi *what scares you most will set you free on wednesday the soft boys i will see* ~ r. hitchcock & r. spiegel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:46:56 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Afghanistan or Pittsburgh/Taliban or Assembly of God Terrence Marks wrote: > > Well, it's their stuff and they've got a right to burn it. and deal with any possible legal/health consequences of burning plastics in an uncontrolled manner. There's some bad stuff in media that I wouldn't want to burn in the open. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Cooke Subject: Boston 26mar01 In honor of the Soft Boys gig last night, I'm hopping back on the Fegmaniax wagon after 2-3 years away. Some of the older tape traders may remember me.... if so, hello. My first "real" gig was the Soft Boys at Alex Wood Hall, in the original Cambridge, sometime during the summer of 1977. I used to live around the corner on Sturton Street, and tagged along with some mates on a Friday or Saturday night. I was 14, and I remember there were several cans of lager involved. Patrik Fitzgerald ("I've Got a Safety Pin Stuck in My Heart for You") opened. My memories of the night are pretty hazy, but I know I was thrilled to meet Robyn and Andy (this was of course pre-Kimberley) after the gig. Robyn gave me his handwritten set list, which I still treasure, and I got their autographs. I also remember that I was right at the front of the stage (there wasn't much competition: the place was far from crowded). So last night's gig was special, since it brought back memories of Cambridge (I moved to the Boston area in 1986) and of being 14 again. I arrived early and got a spot right next to the stage (again), this time in front of Kimberley. I was very impressed with the Young Fresh Fellows, not having heard them before. Great drummer, and they were obviously having a fantastic time on stage. The singer is a huge Soft Boys fan, and I watched him watching them from the doorway to the dressing room for much of the set, grinning like mad. The Soft Boys were a lot tighter than I thought they'd be; amazing that they only got back together recently. The connection Robyn and Kimberley have on guitars is quite something and was a pleasure to watch from eight feet away or so. They played a long set, about 1:50, which included a third encore that I don't think anyone expected (I didn't anyway). I had my fingers crossed that they'd play Astronomy Domine, but it wasn't to be. However, it was a terrific set, in particular the rendition of Kingdom of Love, which couldn't have been better. The new songs were great too, particularly the one about Mr. Kennedy (at least I think it's a new song), and Sudden Town. I recorded the gig on DAT from probably the best place in the club to do so, and the tape came out great. I'll transfer it to CDR this week, and would be up for a CDR trade or two from other SB dates. Sorry for the long post... Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:46:19 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: boot trades Please tell me if this is not appropriate, but I would love to get some copies of shows, but not sure if I have stuff to trade that people would like here. Anyone who is making CDRs interested in trading ISOs (CD images)? I can set up via http or ftp for people to upload and download them. Any interest? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:15:15 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Fwd: FW: dance guide Oh god this is so funny! > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~zefrank/invite/swfs/navigation.html >> - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:26:07 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Underwater MOOnlight >...I sang a verse of Underwater Moonlight >to some cows as I rode by them. They stared at me but >otherwise didn't react. Conclusion: Cows don't give a crap >about the Soft Boys. Don't be so sure! Cows will give a crap about almost anything, if you wait long enough. Trust me. >Anybody else try this? How 'bout with other animals? I guess as far as outward appearances are concerned, the horses didn't seem especially impressed by it the other day when I played UM over the barn's loudspeakers. But I'm pretty sure I heard one of them humming the chorus to "You'll Have to Go Sideways" while I was mucking their stalls out a few hours later... And let's not forget that the fatter one can imitate the slurping noises in "Wafflehead" with almost *perfect* accuracy. - -JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:44:07 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: Re: good breeding in a man >>From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: good breeding in a man Did they not play UM at Irving Plaza? I figured that song would be a constant!<< NO ...we didn't...we got a four song (which was cool) encore to be followed by those YFF doing "Give It..." and a four guitar version of "Queen Of Eyes"....shoulda' been more though, they seemed to start out slow through the first few songs but once the steam built up... YIKES...after the "Queen Of Eyes" rave up Scott YFF posed something to Robyn only to be met with a "nah...I don't know it" reply from RH...and they were gone...and we were ushered out...sheesh...DROVED out! I haven't been to Irving in years and their bouncers ARE complete assholes...as already stated. We were then driven out of the lobby whilst awaiting a few from our party waiting for their coats....I was surprised they allowed us stand on the sidewalk in front of the joint. Irving Plaza was always my fave club in NYC...oh well. Did anybody else spot Marty Willson-Piper of the Church in attendance? Any other notable celebs in the crowd? I've heard the Boston show got three encores! Good for you guys...someone please colorize this, huh? I'll be hosting two sets of photos from Maxwell's as soon as I get them, so when I get those up and running on my server I'll reemerge from my subterraneous realms of lurkdom and post a URL. If anyone needs some space for photos taken let me know off list, I'd be glad to offer a meg or three! Mark http://mapslegends.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:26:15 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: and you know where they burn books people are next >From: Terrence Marks > >On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, GSS wrote: > > > Purging Flame > > Pa. Church Members Burn Harry Potter, Other Books 'Against God' > > > > The congregation of a church in suburban Pittsburgh gathered > > around a bonfire Sunday night to burn Harry Potter books, Disney > > videos, rock CDs and literature from other religions, purging their > > lives of things they felt stood between them and their faith. > >Well, it's their stuff and they've got a right to burn it. They're >getting rid of something they own that they feel is interfering with how >they want to live their lives. Oh, come on. That's not what's happening at all. It's entirely a symbolic act. I seriously doubt they are just destroying their personal collections. What's more, destroying those things is not in any significant way diminishing the supply of those things in their environment. There are plenty of Harry Potter books and Disney videos and rock CDs left out there. What's really stupid is that the Disney videos are probably the pop culture elements least likely to interfere with their religion. And I particularly despise the bit about burning literature from other religions. Burn all the pop culture you want, but the symbolic destruction of other faiths is simply despicable. Any Christians who do not decry this sort of behavior as anathema might as well be tossing pointy hats into the flames along with those cracker-ass morons. > To me that's about as oppressive as, say, >a "Kill Your Television" bumpersticker. If we were just talking about pop culture I might let that go, but the religious texts take it well beyond that, I think. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:35:15 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: boot trades when we last left our heroes, Ken Weingold exclaimed: >Please tell me if this is not appropriate, but I would love to get >some copies of shows, but not sure if I have stuff to trade that >people would like here. 1) it's appropriate. b) it's welcome. 3) people here like a *lot( of stuff. >Anyone who is making CDRs interested in trading ISOs (CD images)? I can >set up via http or ftp for people to upload and download them. Any interest? there's a few sites were fegs trade mp3 recordings, but no one has taken it to the uncompressed level. i've done some trading with shorten-compressed files which has worked out pretty well, but that was for other bands. i currently don't have space on smoe.org for this sort of thing, so anyone who wants to volunteer space is more than welcome to. however, rather than everyone going nuts, we ought to do this somewhat sanely. grafting mp3/shn/iso branches onto the once and future permatree is the way to go, i think. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:11:31 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Soft Boys at 9:30 Club >To: , , > >From: "Stephen Graziano" >Delivered-To: mailing list robynhitchcock@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:01:27 -0500 >Reply-To: robynhitchcock@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [robynhitchcock] Soft Boys > >Soft Boys 9:30 Club Washington DC 3/21/01 > >You'll Have to Go Sideways >Kingdom of Love >He's A Reptile >I'm An Old Pervert >Unknown #1 (You're Part of Rock and Roll) >Underwater Moonlight >Queen of Eyes >I Wanna Destroy You >Unknown #2 (Evil Guy) >Leppo and the Jooves >Unknown #3 (Horn of Florida) >Insanely Jealous >Only the Stones Remain > >Encore >Human Music >Rock and Roll Toilet >Bells of Rhymey >Unknown #4 (Maybe It'll Rain) > >Encore 2 >Give It to the Soft Boys (performed by YFF w/ Morris on drums) >Unknown #5 (City of Shame) >Where Are the Prawns > >Thursday's performance of the Soft Boys at DC's 9:30 club turned out to >be a magical night of triumph for the band. Support was provided by the >Young Fresh Fellows (who I only knew through a 1992ish Frontier release >called "It's Lo Beat Time" which didn't too greatly impress me. They >actually had a very punchy sound - both guitarits playing through Fender >Twin Reverbs - that provided a nice cross between 60's garage pysche and >late 70's power pop. At times they reminded be of both the great late >Slickee Boys and Sweden's Nomads. Maybe there was a touch too much >comedic schtick in the act but they genuinely seemed to be having a great >time performing, as if in on a great party and really thrilled to be >opening for the Soft Boys. I particularly enjoyed their cover of the >Kinks "Picture Book". > >The Soft Boys opened with the instrumental - as if still unsure of >themselves and the hall acoustics using a time honored technique of >allowing the sound man a full song to set levels before worrying about >getting the vocals across. The mix never quite settled in (though the >YFF had great sound) with Morris's drums undermixed throughout, and the >guitars strangely brittle. The vocals were quite prominent and clear, and >Robyn's off the cuff monologs quite comprehendable. My only disappointment >was Seligman's bass was practically inaudible on Kingdom of Love, which >cut off the bouncyness of the song, and that the band didn't play "I Got >the Hots For You". > >The inclusion of five new(?) songs was a major suprise and I'm not sure >if they are indeed new compositions or numbers from Robyn's solo work >(but they're not on Moss Elixir or Jewels for Sophia - the only post >Element of Light CDs of his I own). All five are clearly in Robyn's >newer songwriting style - straighter, certainly less quirky, though the >arrangements are still open (or new) enought to allow a great >Televisionesque call and response double guitar solo at the end of Maybe >It'll Rain (all new song titles are what I guessed, Robyn didn't announce >any of them except to mention that You're A Part of Rock and Roll will be >"on the next album" > >I imagine that the band will only get tighter (there were a couple of >noticible fluffs Thursday night, but it was only their fourth gig in the >tour) and the new songs will grow into their own. Here's to hoping that >this is the spark of some new Soft Boy life, and not just an exercise in >nostalgia. I for one would greatly look forward to a new album. >- Steve. G ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #91 *******************************