From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #66 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Witching Napster & GRAD SCHOOL ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: hey Jeme [Capuchin ] F*** the creationists! [hbrandt ] Re: F*** the creationists! [Christopher Gross ] didn't moz rip that off? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: F*** the creationists! [recount chocula ] Fall to your knees and repent if you please,,, sorry fucking users [GSS <] on a happier note, i guess [GSS ] triple girly suprise [Ken Ostrander ] Re: hey Jeme [Aaron Mandel ] Re: triple girly suprise [Christopher Gross ] Re: triple girly suprise [Eb ] Oh, why not, a few comments.... [The Great Quail ] Re: triple girly suprise [Glen Uber ] seriously OT DRM grumbles. [dmw ] Re: triple girly suprise ["brian nupp" ] Soft Boys - Live At The Portland Arms CD? ["Willems, David" ] Re: triple girly suprise [Glen Uber ] Re: Fall to your knees and repent if you please,,, sorry fucking users [T] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:48:42 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Witching Napster & GRAD SCHOOL vaska wrote: > > did anybody spend nearly $100K for their education > and think it was worth it? Mine was free, and I got paid to do a Masters... ah, they don't make free education like they used to. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:51:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: here's a nice girly drink for you Viv Lyon wrote: > > Ouzo and coke. a popular drink around these parts. Can't be as bad as the non-alcoholic Muddy Puddle (coke and orange juice - -- tastes nice, looks horrible, but killer indigestion afterwards) or the this-has-to- be-for-a-dare Purple Cow (Welch's grape juice and milk). Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: here's a nice girly drink for you On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Viv Lyon wrote: > > > > Ouzo and coke. > > a popular drink around these parts. No it isn't! You're lying! I invented it! Ah well, I am mostly Scottish*. Must be a racial memory. > Can't be as bad as the non-alcoholic Muddy Puddle (coke and orange juice > -- tastes nice, looks horrible, but killer indigestion afterwards) or > the this-has-to- be-for-a-dare Purple Cow (Welch's grape juice and > milk). A non-alcoholic syllabub. Vivien * I was talking to Sally (of Laurence and Sally) at a show, and mentioned something about being of scottish descent. Then she said something I didn't quite hear, but thought it was "That explains why you look so tarty." I laughed, because I kind of did look tarty (low-cut dress and all), and because I know the English have some weird disdain for Scots (and because I was a little tipsy, and insults are easier to take when you're under the influence). I said something to that effect, and she looked horrified and said "No no no, I said, Then why have you not got a tartan?" I suddenly felt like an asshole for thinking this delightful, softspoken woman would ever _ever_ have told someone they looked "tarty." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: hey Jeme On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Bayard wrote: > how about a complete track listing? I don't think we've seen one yet > for the record(s). Well, I don't have it with me here at work, but I'll try to reconstruct some of it from memory. The first LP is the straight 10-track original album. The second is the studio out-takes (mostly, if not entirely, on the Rykodisc re-issue). The third LP is Boathouse sessions from Cambridge in late 1979... two recorded on boombox and the rest on a two-track. This LP includes four "sessions" of Old Pervert and a bunch of stuff I don't recognize (but I don't have, for example, Invisible History). The 7-inch is Innocent Boy b/w Astronomy Domine. That'll have to suffice for now. I must say, it's really neat. I've never owned a triple album before. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:38:04 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: F*** the creationists! Some mp3's you won't want to miss... http://mchawking.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:02:01 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: F*** the creationists! On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, hbrandt wrote: > Some mp3's you won't want to miss... > > http://mchawking.com/ Excellent. Is it just me, or does Stephen Hawking's voice sound like the Talking Moose for the Mac (now known as Uli's Moose)? - --Chris np: MC Hawking, "F*ck the Creationists" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:58:29 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: didn't moz rip that off? >From: Tom Clark >And every time someone mentions Baba Ganoush, I have to seek out the >Cavedogs song by the same name. Let's hope Napster is running today... "Baba Ganoush" also fits well in the parody of "Metal Guru" Weird Al never wrote. Perhaps because it's hard to find words that rhyme with "Ganoush." >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >similarly, I don't remember seeing a mention of Dr Masters on this list >when he passed away last month. I'm sure there's some history here that I don't know, but why does this list moonlight as the obituary page? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:05:20 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: F*** the creationists! when we last left our heroes, Christopher Gross exclaimed: >Excellent. Is it just me, or does Stephen Hawking's voice sound like the >Talking Moose for the Mac (now known as Uli's Moose)? > > sounds more like the synthetic voice for the amiga to me. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:53:35 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Fall to your knees and repent if you please,,, sorry fucking users The open PC is dead - start praying, says HD guru By: Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 03/07/2001 at 20:01 GMT Apologies in advance if the following mailing list posting ruins your next meal. It ruined ours too, but since we believe in equality of indigestion here, we feel obliged to share it with you. Hale Landis maintains the ata-atapi.com website, and has been working for open standards for 25 years. He has been a participant in the ANSI X3/NCITS Technical Committees that developed the ATA and ATA/ATAPI standards since 1990, and works as a consultant and provider of test software. His chilling, deeply pessimistic view is that the good times are over. The fight for an open hardware platform is very real, and the power has swung from the PC leaders to the entertainment industry. It's a valuable strategic view from the trenches of the T.13 committee, where the fight over copy control mechanisms continues. It was posted to the private T.13 mailing list, and we cite it here with permission. Missing the BIG picture I think many of you discussing CPRM and similar things are missing the BIG picture. We, the computer industry and especially the hard disk industry, are at a major crossroads and there are lots of people and companies with BIG BUCKS trying to pick the next road the industry will follow. The current business model for the "personal computer" is failing. Hardware prices are rock bottom and no hardware vendor is making any money. The big software vendors are not doing much better. You only need to review the press releases and product announcements from the likes of Dell, Gateway, Intel and Microsoft to see that near panic has set in. These companies can see that there is a real possibility that the "general purpose personal computer" could be replaced by a variety of proprietary devices. And many of these proprietary devices have entertainment functionality. The questions for many T13 members, especially those that make mass storage devices, are: Are there any customers out there with money that we can sell devices to? What do those customers want? The hard disk vendors will give a customer anything if it means selling a few devices: CPRM, SD, 1394, "serial ATA", USB, anything, even something completely proprietary. And it does not help that there are many young companies around the world with lots of money doing new, different and strange storage devices. Many have the backing of the entertainment industry because these young companies are willing to build proprietary device interfaces including any kind of "copy protection" desired. The old line hard disk vendors can not survive without bending to the desires of the entertainment industry. Just as all those companies I listed above will be unable to ignore the "requirements" of the entertainment industry. Basically your "general purpose personal computer", aka "home computer", is history. This should not surprise anyone since Microsoft has done everything in its power to convert the home computer into an Internet appliance. And Intel still thinks it can convert home computer into the central house and consumer electronics "control center". But I think both Intel and Microsoft will find they can't fight the entertainment industry either. They too will end up doing anything so they can continue to sell hardware and software to the "home computer" market. But we probably should start talking about the "computer enhanced consumer electronics" market. Unfortunately for many of us we are at the mercy of some very big companies and hostage to some people with lots of money. One example is the now nearly complete control over small computer design: PCI, AGP, "serial ATA", recently announced "wireless 1394", etc. With "serial ATA Intel has successfully shutdown any public discussion of what will probably be a widely used "low end" disk drive interface. And why is Intel doing a "wireless 1394"? What is wrong with BlueTooth? Answer: BlueTooth is not a specification controlled by Intel. And Microsoft thinks we should all be "renting" our software. I'm not surprised since the only business model that many companies seem to be trying these days is one that collects money every month from every household. No one wants to "sell" a product, they only want to "rent" something or provide a "service". These products and services are usually proprietary and have carefully crafted and limited functionality. As an example, just WHAT is Tivo "selling" anyway? In my opinion if you are someone, like myself, that needs and uses low cost general purpose computers then you should start praying that there will be some hardware vendor left selling such a computer and that you will be able to run some general purpose OS and adequate applications software. And I would say it will be unlikely that such a computer will have an Intel processor or that any of that application software will come from Microsoft. This possible future must be driving product planners at Intel and Microsoft crazy. But back to T13. Where does this leave T13? In my opinion, and trying to be "kind", T13 has become nothing but a rubber stamp for the few proposals that are made public. As pointed out by others there are lots of hard disk drive "features" that are not public information. I expect this will only continue to get worse as more and more companies attempt to "protect" their proprietary products and services. We are seeing the end of "open device interface standards" and especially the end of T13. I just wonder how long it will be before T10, SCSI, 1394, and others, meet that same fate? So have fun fighting the battle against CPRM and alike but please do not be surprised when you fail, after all the war has been lost, long live the new world order: proprietary devices, proprietary interfaces, copy protection, limited functionality, and prepare you credit card accounts for all those monthly rental and service charges you will be paying for every "computer controlled consumer electronics device" you use. - -- Hale Landis http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/17419.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:57:13 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: on a happier note, i guess for the complete story: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,42259,00.html Descramble That DVD in 7 Lines by Declan McCullagh 9:00 a.m. Mar. 7, 2001 PST CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Descrambling DVDs just got even easier, thanks to a pair of MIT programmers. Using only seven lines of Perl code, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz have created the shortest-yet method to remove the thin layer of encryption that is designed to prevent people -- including Linux users -- from watching DVDs without proper authorization. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:01:09 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: triple girly suprise >I must say, it's really neat. I've never owned a triple album before. here are a few that i have: all things must pass george harrison it's too late to stop now van morrison sandanista! clash lather frank zappa emancipation [t.a.f.(and once again)k.a.] prince 69 love songs magnetic fields >1 pint of Black Butte Porter (or any dark, chocolaty beer) >1 shot of vanilla Stoli vodka anything with a flavored stoli vodka would qualify as girly. i usually mix the vanilla with coke; but the rasberry is good with just about anything. try it with red bull. i used to drink midori sours, which are fun because of their bright green color; but they are so tame that i gave them up. according to this website, whatever song was #1 on the day you were born is a theme to your life. ken "grazing in the grass" the kenster np live in montreux joao gilberto nd dark and stormy. goslings dark rum with ginger beer. ps listen to the psychedelic sunday spectacular at noon every sunday at http://www.abfreeradio.org/ followed by the greenhouse, a green party forum, at two. i've found that it's easier to get connected via the website that provides the live webfeed (http://www.live365.com/home/index.html) and search on "allston" to get connected. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:16:31 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: hey Jeme On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Capuchin wrote: > The 7-inch is Innocent Boy b/w Astronomy Domine. Hmm. These definitely aren't on the track listing Matador has on its website. They list 10 original tracks, 9 outtakes and 17 "other" songs for the 2xCD... does the vinyl have any other bonuses? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: triple girly suprise On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > according to this website, whatever song was #1 > on the day you were born is a theme to your life. > > Huh! Mine is "Hey Jude." I'll have to ponder the significance of this. Na na na nanananaaa, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:31:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: triple girly suprise >I kind of did look tarty (low-cut dress and all) Too easy. Next.... >>I must say, it's really neat. I've never owned a triple album before. > >here are a few that i have: > >all things must pass george harrison >it's too late to stop now van morrison >sandanista! clash >lather frank zappa >emancipation [t.a.f.(and once again)k.a.] prince >69 love songs magnetic fields I have The Last Waltz and Wings Over America (the fifth album I ever owned), plus (from the extended-CD age) Dylan's The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3, Neil Young's Arc-Weld, Genesis' Archive#2 1976-1992 and The Look of Love: The Burt Bacharach Collection. Also, I own Dylan's Biograph on five vinyl records, but it's available as a triple-CD nowadays. (I don't think All Things Must Pass quite counts...it's really a double-LP with a casual bonus EP. In fact, maybe Arc-Weld shouldn't count either.) It's Too Late to Stop Now is three records? Huh, didn't realize that. I really oughta grab a secondhand copy of Sandinista, one of these days. And I probably won't quite like it, but I'd at least like to *hear* 69 Love Songs. Eb, who has known his #1-when-I-was-born song for quite awhile, and it's reeeeeeeelly not thematically resonant...with ANYONE :) np: Mouse on Mars/Idiology ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:02:05 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: Oh, why not, a few comments.... I will take a few moments to pull my head out of MediaBistro and actually post a few comments on some recent threads, though I am sure by now half the list is going, "The Great . . . who?" **On Virgin Ears: I first heard Robyn in 1986, at Penn State, when the Feg's List very own Jon Fetter loaned me "Fegmania!" on vinyl. Jon was this krazy kat who lived in the dorm next door, and I met him because one day, passing by his room, I spied the lyrics to Monty Python's "The Universe Song" taped to his door -- remember the days of expressing your college personality by what you taped to your door? -- and I knew I *had* to meet him, so I knocked. And he emerged from his pit, uncoiling his six feet three inches of lank like a horrible insect, and actually invited me in. Anyway, we discovered we were both Syd Barret fans, and in that spirit, he introduced me to Robyn. He also introduced me to Russel Edson, Laurie Anderson, Taiwanese centipede liquor, and autoerotic asphyxiation. Oh, and hummus, which isn't quite babaganoosh, but what the hell. **On School Shootings: One thing I noticed about the coverage of the new shootings is that most of the major networks seem much more *prepared* for this. Not only in general organization, cute graphics, and overall dramatic expression, but CNN was interviewing various school shooting "experts" and authors of books on school shootings and so on within the first two hours. Obviously the networks have done some research and preparation, and have been expecting this sort of thing to happen again. I'm not sure if I blame them, but it does seem to point to a deep sickness somewhere, one that I can probably blame on George W. Bush if I thought hard and long enough. I also think the school officials are more self-conscious of their 15-minute celebrity status than the Columbine people. I remember hearing one of them -- the superintendent? -- and I was disgusted by her almost packaged comments, like she was aiming for a sound byte on the national news. ("These shootings pierced the heart of this tranquil community," that sort of thing.) And why are they calling this little fiend a "gunman?" I am all for just calling him "the sick fuck who shall remain nameless." **On Survivor: Generally speaking, I don't like reality shows, and I resisted the first Survivor for a while -- then I got hooked. Really, it's very different than "The Real World" or most of the other appalling reality shows. Survivor is more challenging and surprising -- the games they cook up for these people can be pretty twisted and clever. The host, Jeff Probst, is actually a likeable guy, and the fun of watching these people start to either bond together or fall apart is a nice voyeuristic thrill. Personally, I hope they dump a crate of Crocodiles into the camp one night, but that may just be me. **On Yoko Ono: I have been listening to a lot of Yoko Ono lately. **On Non Sequiturs: See above. **On TV I like TV. I really get annoyed at the sanctimonious "I don't own a TV and I am proud" crowd, or the "Turn off your TV and read a book" nannies. TV is an essential part of modern American pop culture, which may not be necessarily a good thing all the time, but let's face it -- anyone who doesn't watch TV is weird, and should probably move to France, or maybe Oregon. And not just for the junk, but really, there are a few good shows on TV, and it's generally a nice way to check on the news and weather and such, and its a great place to put candles and knick-knacks. Oh, and VCRs, DVD players, and Playstations all seem to work better when hooked up to a television. I mean, of course, TV is best watched selectively and critically -- which doesn't seem to occur to the smug, self-congratulatory circle of crypto-luddites who put "Shoot Your TV Set" bumper stickers on their Volvos. I mean, I would rather watch a good TV show than read a bad book. **On Booze Beer is an essential to life. Other drinks are fine, too, but beer is like Mother nature's sweet milk. (I am not sure what that makes *milk*, however.) In fact, unless someone is a recovering alcoholic, which gives them a good reason to avoid the sauce, I really can't say I trust people who don't enjoy the occasional drink. They look funny, they dress funny, and they watch us drinkers with a lean and hungry eye, waiting for us to get naked in public, or recite bad poetry, or steal babies. They also tend to be overly fond of raw fish, name themselves after monkeys, and write thirty-page postings about the LINX browsers, all of which can probably be cured by a trip to Russ Reynold's woodshed. But of course, I am of Irish/German/Czech descent, so I am probably genetically hardwired to be a falling down drunk. In fact, I like getting falling down drunk. Fuck a few social drinks, every once in a while it's good to get smashed and wear a lampshade, dance around to Duran Duran, and post drunken letters to quirky English pop singer mailing lists. **On Eddie Tews: I agree with the people on the List who think Eddie Tews is a menace to society. He is bad, bad, bad, and he looks a bit like Mr. Potato-Head after a week of being hopped up on goofballs. I think his habit of peddling dolphin-based "Tuna" and shooting holes in "Kiwanis Club" signs along the towns of the pacific Coast are both signs of a deeper disturbance. The fact that he sells naked pictures of Jeff Probst on eBay under the alias FUKSTIK@bakunin.org doesn't bode well, either. So I agree with the recent consensus on the List that he should be banned from posting, restricted to a 6' by 6' padded cell, and fed a steady diet of Wheetabix until he pops like a tick. That's all for now, - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: triple girly suprise On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Eb wrote: >Eb, who has known his #1-when-I-was-born song for quite awhile, and it's >reeeeeeeelly not thematically resonant...with ANYONE :) I don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing it's gotta be something along the lines of "Stranger on the Shore" by Mr. Acker Bilk. Am I close? Cheers! - -g- "A person can only work so many hours a day and two's my limit." - --Mike Jasper )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ) ) Glen Uber // uberg at sonic dot net // Santa Rosa, California ) )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: seriously OT DRM grumbles. On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, GSS wrote: > The open PC is dead - start praying, says HD guru Well, I'm *not* going to buy hardware with DRM embedded in it, and I know a lot of other like-minded people. I think the hardware manufacturers are a little complacent right now because consumers have not, en masse, rejected the DRM embedded in DVDs -- but that's only, in my seldom humble opinion, because virtually the only legitimate users disenfranchised by it are foreign film aficianados defeated by the region coding (the single dumbest aspect of the scheme, if you ask me) (i'm not going to get into the issue of those who want to watch movies on computer hardware -- yeah, well, whatever). but I think the many of the proposed standards for embedding DRM are going to meet with one HELL of a lot of consumer resistance. When i describe the ramifications of some of the proposed standards/behaviours to people, they almost universally react with shock and anger. the entertainment folks are on the verge of a dangerous mistake, i think - -- no one NEEDS movies, or music, or computer games to survive*. If the vendors put systems into place which make it unreasonably difficult for the consumer to have a given entertainment experience, the consumers aren't going to bother. and businesses are not going to buy pieces of equipment once they understand that a single-point failure, in the most vulnerable part of that equipment, could theoretically require them to re-purchase all their software licenses. betcha. If all this makes no sense to you: what we're talking about basically, are hard drives that will not save a file if you can't electronically "prove" that doing so does not violate copyright; speakers that will not play music that does not have an authentication code embedded within it, videos that will play on your TV but not on your neighbors, and a host of other schemes & devices that would make your life more complex and difficult (and incidentally, treat you like a criminal). It is very _1984_, and it's dumber than a sack of rocks. As a consumer, there's no earthly reason you should support products that treat you that way. There are also a lot of folks who think that the provisions in the DMCA which more-or-less paved the way for this kind of thinking are likely to be held unconstitutional. - -- d. * & the entertainment nerds whose exception proves this rule will, almost by definition, have other options, since they're already driven to look for stuff outside the major label/studio sealed pipe. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:24:18 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: triple girly suprise Yo! Mine was My Sweet Lord! I wonder how long after it was that he got sued by Allen Klien and the Rolling Stones... >From: Christopher Gross < >On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > > > according to this website, whatever song was #1 > > on the day you were born is a theme to your life. > > > > > >Huh! Mine is "Hey Jude." I'll have to ponder the significance of this. > >Na na na nanananaaa, > >Chris > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:37:59 -0500 From: "Willems, David" Subject: Soft Boys - Live At The Portland Arms CD? Hello All, I was wondering if someone had/could burn a copy of Soft Boys- Live At The Portland Arms for me? Please respond to this email address thank you! - - David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:31:51 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: triple girly suprise on 3/8/01 12:57 PM, Christopher Gross at chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu wrote: >> according to this website, whatever song was #1 >> on the day you were born is a theme to your life. >> >> > > Huh! Mine is "Hey Jude." I'll have to ponder the significance of this. > > Na na na nanananaaa, Anyone ever hear of mine: Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: triple girly suprise On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Tom Clark wrote: >Anyone ever hear of mine: Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto? One of my mom's faves. I heard it quite a bit growing up. IIRC, it's the first song with completely non-English lyrics to reach #1 on the U.S. charts. - -glen "I'll Be There by the Jackson 5" the glenster "A person can only work so many hours a day and two's my limit." - --Mike Jasper )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ) ) Glen Uber // uberg at sonic dot net // Santa Rosa, California ) )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:02:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Fall to your knees and repent if you please,,, sorry fucking users on 3/8/01 10:53 AM, GSS at gshell@metronet.com wrote: > And why is Intel doing a "wireless 1394"? What is wrong with > BlueTooth? Answer: BlueTooth is not a specification controlled by > Intel. Bluetooth is quite a bit slower, for one thing. The point is well taken, however. The only reason Intel proposed and developed USB 2.0 was to unseat 1394, which is an IEEE standard. > As an example, just WHAT is Tivo "selling" anyway? To be fair, they aggregate programming information and do provide a decent amount of original content. I don't think it's quite worth $9.95 a month, though. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #66 *******************************