From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #63 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- drinking in Glasgow, Bristol, Oxford, and London [Jim Davies ] Drinking only to you with mine eyes ["Scott McCleary" ] Sonic Book ["brian nupp" ] Re: your mail [Ken Ostrander ] Re: your mail [Viv Lyon ] Drinkin' and emailin' and Soft Boyin' [Christopher Gross ] Re: The Vast Wasteland, pt. XXVII [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: The soft virgin ears of innocence [vaska ] Minus 5/YFF/Bright Eyes ["Jason R. Thornton" ] I drink like GW Bush circa 1974 ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:14:28 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: drinking in Glasgow, Bristol, Oxford, and London In response to the recent confessions, I'd just like to say that I'm planning to attend at least four of the SB UK gigs, and that I intend to drink, publicly, at each of them. I intend to drink between the gigs as well, probably a considerable amount of Italian wine: Soave, Barolo, Chianti, Pin, Bardolino, and Amarone. Other people will be involved. I will not be smoking a cigarette, unless someone really good looking offers me one. I am easily seduced by glamour and the lingering promise of an early death. xoyoxxx Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:59:06 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: your mail Capuchin wrote: > > Recall that fegmaniax comes from the day when only librarians and computer > nerds had email. bah, back in the late 80s, I as a lowly engineering undergrad had e-mail. True, it was Janet mail (where addresses were backwards, so I'd be stewart@uk.co.collins.ref) on a Vax over a serial link to a VT52 emulator on an Atari ST, but it was e-mail! I was an avid listener to A Can of Bees at that age. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:02:14 -0800 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: Drinking only to you with mine eyes I'm a nondrinker too, Jeme. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:12:21 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: don't get caught up in an explosion, folks contrary to what Hollywood might have you believe, exploding garages don't make much noise. They do, however, generate a huge fireball, incredible heat and a steady rain of hot embers. I was about 20 feet from this (below) when it happened. What was most worrying was that you knew someone was dying and there's nothing you could do. from http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/scotland/newsid_792000/792479.stm : > Tuesday, 6 March, 2001, 11:58 GMT > > Police name dead garage owner > > A garage owner who died following a fire at his premises has been named > by police. > > Roy Campbell, 35, of Pentcaitland Place, Summerston, in Glasgow, was > taken to the city's Western Infirmary where he died shortly > afterwards. > > The blaze broke out at the premises of RAC Autos in Otago Lane North, > Kelvinbridge, at about 1710 GMT on Monday. > > No-one else was injured in the fire and Strathclyde police said there > were no suspicious circumstances. > > A report is due to be submitted to the procurator fiscal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:22:25 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: your mail when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed: >Capuchin wrote: >> >> Recall that fegmaniax comes from the day when only librarians and computer >> nerds had email. > >bah, back in the late 80s, I as a lowly engineering undergrad had >e-mail. right, so did nearly all students at american universities back then as well but the majority of them did not use them. even at a place like clarkson university where everyone was issued a personal computer (the mighty 9.2 mhz zenith z-200 pc-at clone), the only crowd dialed into the gould mainframe or hanging out in the terminal rooms were the relay addicts, usenet addicts, and compsci majors. >True, it was Janet mail (where addresses were backwards, so I'd be >stewart@uk.co.collins.ref) on a Vax over a serial link to a VT52 >emulator on an Atari ST, but it was e-mail! woo hoo! my first experience with non-bbs e-mail was on a neutered VM with some crappy menuing system in 1986. still remember my first address: TNETG1FN@CLVM. >I was an avid listener to A Can of Bees at that age. i didn't discover the soft boys until 1987 or so when i infiltrated the university's radio station library. but i had cassette copies of _invisible hitchcock_ and _groovy decoy_ which i was listening to endlessly. woj n.p. http://wfmu.oven.com:8004/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:23:55 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Sonic Book I got my sonic book today: Robyn Hitchcock a middle class hero. I haven't had a chance to hear the cd or read the book, but there are some good photos of RH and his father's paintings I haven't seen before. Nice photo of Joyce (RH's mother), Michele, and RH on the beach. Looks like our own Bayard, woj, and Eddie are all mentioned in the book. Good job guys! I'll give a better review after I get a chance to sit down and take a looksy at it. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:19:23 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: your mail >i didn't discover the soft boys until 1987 or so it was about 1989 for me. i believe that i bought _underwater moonlight_ and lou's _new york_ at the same time. i was already deep into the egyptians and this one just sunk me! >> Recall that fegmaniax comes from the day when only librarians and computer >> nerds had email. > >bah, back in the late 80s, I as a lowly engineering undergrad had >e-mail. i didn't have this new-fangledy e-lectronic mail until i started working here at m i t, which mork called the most prestigious engineering school in the world! i think al gore was here when he invented the internet. >And hey look, I mentioned SURVIVOR...! By not mentioning it so far, >I have therefore made you discuss it. perhaps, but you can't make me watch it. >whose molecules used to be a napoleon. more cream! it must have more cream if we are to compete with beef wellington! >> Have you been following this? >> >> a.) school shooting! >> b) Cheney in the hospital! >> c.)Matthew Perry back in rehab! >> >> Oh god the world is coming to an end...!! add this wonderful fluffy white stuff piling outside. it would be even nicer if MIfookinT would close like the rest of boston. of course, that would mean that they wouldn't get their federal moolah for the day... ken "all punk rock is based on louis armstrong" the kenster np our beloved revolutionary sweetheart camper van beethovan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: your mail On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > >i didn't discover the soft boys until 1987 or so > > it was about 1989 for me. It was, er, 1998 for me. And I listened to them every night when I got home from work, drinking wine and smoking cigarettes and wishing to god they would tour. > i didn't have this new-fangledy e-lectronic mail until i started working here > at m i t, which mork called the most prestigious engineering school in the > world! i think al gore was here when he invented the internet. I got email for the first time when I worked at the computer center in college. Aye, I was but a lowly receptionist, but they deemed me geeky enough for email by dint of my Mystery Science Theater obsession. > >And hey look, I mentioned SURVIVOR...! By not mentioning it so far, > >I have therefore made you discuss it. > > perhaps, but you can't make me watch it. Only earthquakes and fireballs could make me watch it. Oh wait.... > >> a.) school shooting! > >> b) Cheney in the hospital! > >> c.)Matthew Perry back in rehab! > >> > >> Oh god the world is coming to an end...!! > > add this wonderful fluffy white stuff piling outside. it would be even nicer > if MIfookinT would close like the rest of boston. of course, that would mean > that they wouldn't get their federal moolah for the day... I dreamed that I was in Boston, but it was sunny. And I was about to call in to work to tell them that I couldn't make it in because I'd accidentally stayed in Boston too long, but it was okay because I could just canvass in Boston. But of course I don't canvass anymore (not for pay, anyway), and besides, there's no Massachusetts Citizens for a Better Environment anyway. Plus, I was wearing one yellow tennis shoe and one green one. I'm not sure what any of that has to with anything whatsoever, but I thought I'd mention it. Oh yeah, I forgot to relay the most recent Robyn dream I had. The Soft Boys were on their tour, and we went to see them in what was sort of like a cross between a high school gym and a McMenamins. They took a break from playing and went down to the 'green room,' where Jeme and I cornered them and began to chat them up. I was in the midst of telling Robyn how Jeme and I met when he realized that the audience upstairs was probably getting restless. He told us to stay right there, he'd go up and tell them he'd only be a little while longer and then come back down and listen to the rest of the story. Which he did. And then, with Jeme in the very same room, he tried to put the moves on me. The cad! I told him absolutely not, under no circumstances. The very idea! Really! I never! Vivien ps- Lj, I know your forte is _white_ rabbits, but perhaps you could explain why the levitating black rabbit (with red circles around its eyes) in my dream last night wouldn't let me pet it, even though I kept telling it how beautiful it was? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Drinkin' and emailin' and Soft Boyin' A few months ago I had this Hungarian liquor that was absolutely vile -- bitter and a bit chemical-tasting, and not in a good way. Unfortunately, I can't remember its name, which would be useful a.) if I want to tell people how vile it was, and b.) if the taste grows on me. I was told it was a traditional Hungarian apertif, and if I recall correctly it was clear. Can anyone out there identify it? When I was an undergrad at Penn State in the late 80s, all students were NOT given e-mail accounts. (Everyone still used the hyphen back then.) You had to be a comp sci major or taking a course that required use of one of the big VM or Unix machines to qualify for an account. Furthermore, we still had time rationing. For example, when I took Statistics for Liberal Arts Majors (or whatever it was really called), I got 2 hours a day on PSUVM. You could tell the people with the geekiest class schedules because their time rations added up to more than 24 hours per day. Here's how old I am: I can remember when there was actual discussion on alt.sex, instead of a lot of porn site spam! I first heard the Soft Boys when Underwater Moonlight was played at a party in 1992 (or '93?), at the apartment of our very own Great Quail. Before then I had only heard a little of Robyn's stuff (mainly Perspex Island) and only mildly liked him; hearing Underwater Moonlight that night was what really started me on the long road to Fegdom. Ironically, I also first heard Skinny Puppy when I borrowed the Quail's copy of Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse. - --Chris (formerly known as CGG101@PSUVM) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:08:10 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: The Vast Wasteland, pt. XXVII >>>And hey look, I mentioned SURVIVOR...! By not >>>mentioning it so far, I have therefore made you >>>discuss it. >>perhaps, but you can't make me watch it. >Only earthquakes and fireballs could make me watch >it. Oh wait.... Y'know, twice now I've gotten into arguments with people who *can't believe* that I've never seen an episode of that program, or any of the various similar programs that are out there. (Including "Castaway" on BBC America, thank you very much.) I just think reality is boring. What's so hard to believe about that? Reality IS boring. Why, just the other day, I fell asleep watching a plane crash. And I don't even drink! Anyway, where was I? Oh, yeah, reality... It's like these people are more willing to believe me when I tell them lies just to get them to lay off, like "they don't have network teevee on digital satellite and my antenna sucks, so I just don't watch network teevee." It's true that I never watch network teevee, in fact I try to watch as little teevee as possible and it's gotten to the point where I have to use the silly euphemism "teevee" to refer to it because it's so embarrassingly awful -- but I don't think it's all because of some lousy antenna. So I blame teevee for everything. Despoliation of our culture, degradation of the worth of the individual in society, increased plastic surgery disasters, you name it. I realize it's unfair, and that I'm generalizing and thereby dismissing some things of great artistic value, blah blah blah. But screw that! Sacrifices must be made! Somebody has to take a stand! There must be justice! And yet, I still own a teevee set. And occasionally I even turn it on. I'm part of the problem! It's like watching a car crash - it's horrible, it's sickening, but you can't turn away! You want to turn away, you know it's the right thing to do, but it keeps drawing you in, further and further, until it's too late! You're trapped in an inescapable void, a nightmare netherworld of unending, unmitigated *reality*! Now, if they'd just put together a nice 2-hour documentary special on the problem... Maybe on VH1. That'd be *cool*! JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:38:00 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: The Vast Wasteland, pt. XXVII You know, I haven't had TV since 1988. Don't miss it a bit. Actually, ma and pa never had it either, so I think I owned a TV between the years of 85 and 88. Does that come off as sanctimoniously as "I don't drink"? Steve "also never seen Survivor" B At 01:08 PM 3/6/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >>>And hey look, I mentioned SURVIVOR...! By not > >>>mentioning it so far, I have therefore made you > >>>discuss it. > >>perhaps, but you can't make me watch it. > >Only earthquakes and fireballs could make me watch > >it. Oh wait.... > >Y'know, twice now I've gotten into arguments with >people who *can't believe* that I've never seen an >episode of that program, or any of the various similar >programs that are out there. (Including "Castaway" >on BBC America, thank you very much.) I just think >reality is boring. What's so hard to believe about >that? Reality IS boring. Why, just the other day, I >fell asleep watching a plane crash. And I don't even >drink! > >Anyway, where was I? Oh, yeah, reality... It's like >these people are more willing to believe me when I >tell them lies just to get them to lay off, like "they >don't have network teevee on digital satellite and >my antenna sucks, so I just don't watch network >teevee." It's true that I never watch network teevee, >in fact I try to watch as little teevee as possible and >it's gotten to the point where I have to use the silly >euphemism "teevee" to refer to it because it's so >embarrassingly awful -- but I don't think it's all >because of some lousy antenna. > >So I blame teevee for everything. Despoliation >of our culture, degradation of the worth of the >individual in society, increased plastic surgery >disasters, you name it. I realize it's unfair, and >that I'm generalizing and thereby dismissing some >things of great artistic value, blah blah blah. But >screw that! Sacrifices must be made! Somebody >has to take a stand! There must be justice! > > >And yet, I still own a teevee set. And occasionally >I even turn it on. I'm part of the problem! It's like >watching a car crash - it's horrible, it's sickening, >but you can't turn away! You want to turn away, >you know it's the right thing to do, but it keeps >drawing you in, further and further, until it's too >late! You're trapped in an inescapable void, a >nightmare netherworld of unending, unmitigated >*reality*! > >Now, if they'd just put together a nice 2-hour >documentary special on the problem... Maybe >on VH1. That'd be *cool*! > >JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:12:33 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: The soft virgin ears of innocence The first Soft Boys I heard was Invisible Hits.... In and around 89, 90, or maybe 91 (I'm terrible with dates) I was working at the Accu-Weather sweatshop graphics department, we had a little record player with a tape deck, and because 8 or 9 or us were crammed in a little room with our macintoshes, we had to "time-share" the record player. We had new age folks in love with Yanni and John Tesh, classic rockers playing Steely Dan and Jeff Beck, I think I was playing a lot of Hoodoo Gurus, Janes Addiction, and Pixies at the time....There was also a fellow who brought in the most indie-rock type of stuff.....Tom Waits, the Jazz Butcher, REM, Woranzoid psychedelic compilations from the UK, and the like. He also used to bring in three albums by this chap Robyn Hitchcock: Fegmania, Queen Elvis, and Eye. He played these records most often, and boy did they *grate* on me at first....don't know why, I just didn't take to it at first. One day Eye was playing for the umpteenth time, and Cynthia Mask was playing, and I suddenly thought....what a sad, raw song this seems....very emotionally bare, no matter how cloudy the lyrics were. I felt very melancholy all of a sudden, and then I realized what a beautiful song it was, and the line about "reach your lungs, like smoke in the orchard" stayed with me all day as did the spare counter melody of the piano line. I was hooked. Soon after I moved in with a woman who just happened to be a big Robyn fan, and got access to all her Robyn albums (not the *only* reason I moved in with her I assure you ;-), among which was Invisible Hits. I remember loving the time signature of Asking Tree. Seven years later we split up, and I went out and bought RH's entire catalogue, including Underwater Moonlight, which by that point I'd read a lot about. I wasn't disappointed. I think the only albums I don't have now (either RH or Soft Boys) are that Cambridge Folk Fest thing (which I don't want) and Star for Bram (which I do want to get...) Steve >I first heard the Soft Boys when Underwater Moonlight was played at a >party in 1992 (or '93?), at the apartment of our very own Great Quail. >Before then I had only heard a little of Robyn's stuff (mainly Perspex >Island) and only mildly liked him; hearing Underwater Moonlight that night >was what really started me on the long road to Fegdom. > >Ironically, I also first heard Skinny Puppy when I borrowed the Quail's >copy of Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse. > > >--Chris (formerly known as CGG101@PSUVM) > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:30:42 -0500 >To: Christopher Gross >From: Stephen Buckalew >Subject: The soft virgin ears of innocence > > >The first Soft Boys I heard was Invisible Hits.... > >In and around 89, 90, or maybe 91 (I'm terrible with dates) I was working >at the Accu-Weather sweatshop graphics department, we had a little record >player with a tape deck, and because 8 or 9 or us were crammed in a little >room with our macintoshes, we had to "time-share" the record player. We >had new age folks in love with Yanni and John Tesh, classic rockers >playing Steely Dan and Jeff Beck, I think I was playing a lot of Hoodoo >Gurus, Janes Addiction, and Pixies at the time....There was also a fellow >who brought in the most indie-rock type of stuff.....Tom Waits, the Jazz >Butcher, REM, Woranzoid psychedelic compilations from the UK, and the >like. He also used to bring in three albums by this chap Robyn Hitchcock: >Fegmania, Queen Elvis, and Eye. He played these records most often, and >boy did they *grate* on me at first....don't know why, I just didn't take >to it at first. > >One day Eye was playing for the umpteenth time, and Cynthia Mask was >playing, and I suddenly thought....what a sad, raw song this seems....very >emotionally bare, no matter how cloudy the lyrics were. I felt very >melancholy all of a sudden, and then I realized what a beautiful song it >was, and the line about "reach your lungs, like smoke in the orchard" >stayed with me all day as did the spare counter melody of the piano line. > >I was hooked. > >Soon after I moved in with a woman who just happened to be a big Robyn >fan, and got access to all her Robyn albums (not the *only* reason I moved >in with her I assure you ;-), among which was Invisible Hits. I remember >loving the time signature of Asking Tree. Seven years later we split up, >and I went out and bought RH's entire catalogue, including Underwater >Moonlight, which by that point I'd read a lot about. I wasn't disappointed. > >I think the only albums I don't have now (either RH or Soft Boys) are that >Cambridge Folk Fest thing (which I don't want) and Star for Bram (which I >do want to get...) > >Steve > > >>I first heard the Soft Boys when Underwater Moonlight was played at a >>party in 1992 (or '93?), at the apartment of our very own Great Quail. >>Before then I had only heard a little of Robyn's stuff (mainly Perspex >>Island) and only mildly liked him; hearing Underwater Moonlight that night >>was what really started me on the long road to Fegdom. >> >>Ironically, I also first heard Skinny Puppy when I borrowed the Quail's >>copy of Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse. >> >> >>--Chris (formerly known as CGG101@PSUVM) >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >>chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:30:16 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: 10/13/90 anybody have the 10/13/90 ithaca soundboard on cd-r? i got a request for it today. i have it on cassette but i'm sure someone must have already transferred a lower generation copy to cd. anybody? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:57:35 -0700 From: vaska Subject: Re: The soft virgin ears of innocence not softboys, but robyn and the egyptians... my first listening experiences...REAL... my friend Steve gave me "globe of frogs" and said i bet you will like this. i took it home and that night spent the evening laying around on the floor listening to it over and over...at the time i lived in a house with 14 bike messengers and life was insane...i think it was the only night during my two years there where i had the house completely to myself... a bottle of red wine, robyn and complete quiet... the next morning i couldn't wait to get to work to tell steve how much i loved the music. while waiting for the bus, a fish fell out of the sky - it was still alive. ?! steve had already told me about some obsession robyn had with fish. got to work, and was instantly whisked off to meet a new employee who i was going to train. somehow, it came up almost instantly that she was a pisces. we started going out almost immediately... although, it was a successful relationship for too long, robyn had somehow invaded my life in unexpected ways. that weekend, a friend called me up and invited me to a show at the last minute at the HUB Ballroom at the UW. i had nothing going on, and it didn't even register who i was going to see - you know, the ticket was free. of course, when i got there and realized who was going to be on stage i couldn't believe it... i've been more or less hooked ever since. i just wish that he would put out two or three albums every years... jv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:53:36 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Minus 5/YFF/Bright Eyes I wanted to bring this up a couple of days ago, but unfortunately my home PC took a dive on Saturday. I think the hard drive is shot. Fuckadoodle. Anyhow, I went to a couple of cool shows this weekend. On Friday, I caught the Minus 5 and the Young Fresh Fellows at the Casbah here in San Diego. Terrific show. The opening act, Droo Church, were a tolerable hard rock band, with some occasionally catchy moments. Definitely nothing special. The Minus 5 played second, and I strolled up to the front of the stage to stand right in front of Peter Buck. I've always been stuck in BFE at REM shows, so it was a treat to finally see Buck up close and personal. And, as I sometimes tend to focus a lot on bass players at concerts and he played bass the entire time, I kept a lot of my attention on Buck during the set. Peter Buck signed all copies of Minus 5 CD's sold that night, as Eb mentioned that he had done at the Knitting Factory in LA, so I decided to pick up a copy of the new M5/YFF double CD from him. The Young Fresh Fellows were pretty amusing. They threw in a lot of entertaining, but often half-assed, covers including a Foghat tune ("we always seem to be playing in the same clubs that Foghat does now"), "Blueberry Hill," "Margaritaville" (prompted by the fact that Scott McCaughey was taking shots straight out of a bottle of Margaritaville tequila - he's a drinker), "Calendar Girl," and a handful of other recognizable classic tunes that I can't remember off hand. Many of the covers seemed spur of the moment, colored with partially remembered, semi-reinvented lyrics. Often the songs were not even completed. Scott McCaughey wore a Limp Bizkit shirt which also led to a brief attempt at a Limp Bizkit cover. Saturday night, I ended up at many-a-Feg's favorite LA haunting grounds, the Troubadour. Four acts played that evening, including Azure Ray (whom I'm currently infatuated with, particularly singer/guitarist Orenda Fink), The Good Life, Crooked Fingers and Bright Eyes. A friend of mine ended up on the Bright Eyes guest list, so she had given me the ticket that she had purchased previously. Bright Eyes had a completely different line-up from the last time I saw them down here. I noticed at least one member (a girl who played bass, keyboards and flute) of the Good Life, the only band I wasn't very impressed by that night, had played with Bright Eyes when I saw them at the Casbah months ago. Basically, for Saturday's show, Connor Oberst had co-opted most of Azure Ray for a backing band. Both Azure Ray and Bright Eyes were spectacular. Overall, a very good show, despite the Good Life's mediocre set. Actually, even they weren't too bad, it was just the lead singer's monotonous emoting that I found a bit grating. Crooked Fingers were better than I expected. I've decided that Eric Bachmann sings exactly like Neil Diamond. Also a big drinker, he couldn't get his guitar tuned for the final song, so he told the band "Fuck it. I'm too drunk to tune. Let's play Queen instead. I don't have to be in tune for that." They then proceeded to play a ripping version of "Under Pressure," sans the famous riff. I had two pints of Guinness and a big ol' can of Sapporo Friday night, and half a can of Red Bull during the drive home Saturday. Alcohol I have no problem with, but I was definitely addicted to caffeine for a few years. Now I pretty much regulate it to "emergency" situations, like late night drives home from Los Angeles. - --Jason "insert bootable media in the appropriate drive" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:50:45 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: I drink like GW Bush circa 1974 At 07:53 PM 3/5/01 -0500, lj lindhurst wrote: >Have you been following this? > >a.) school shooting! >b) Cheney in the hospital! >c.)Matthew Perry back in rehab! > >Oh god the world is coming to an end...!! Still? End already. End! The local news stations here in San Diego have already been airing commercials showing how "great" their coverage was of the Santana High School shooting. God, it's sick. Sicker than "Survivor" even, not that I've ever seen it. I got my fill of reality shows from watching a few episodes of the "Real World" a few years ago, when real life Puck made me hate a TV "character" more than any fictional TV villain ever has. Someone mentioned AA, and that got me to thinking about this very good friend of mine who was in AA for a bit, but eventually parted company with the organization because he never really agreed with some of the assumptions about addiction and "higher powers" that they were making. After quitting AA, he was able to remain "sober" and drink-free for years. Even now, he remains in complete control of his drinking. This friend moved to Japan a couple of years ago, and has successfully been able to reintroduce social drinking into his life, with no slippage into a "drinking problem." It was a conscious decision to begin consuming alcohol again, not some nagging inner demon. Well, his wife thought he was getting a bit too uptight, and needed to loosen up a bit... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #63 *******************************