From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #54 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- woulda put Pearl Jam on my list ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Worst ... music ... ever! [Christopher Gross ] Reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] potential AIDS vaccine announced [Bayard ] History ["Brian Carling" ] Re: Worst ... music ... ever! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Soft Boys in SF [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Inspiration from Wilde? (woo! real Robyn content!) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: reap ($$$) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Ajnabi Mujhko Itna Bata [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Robyn's worst enemy in the press? ["Irish Airman" ] Re: History ["Brian Carling" ] Re: Worst ... music ... ever! [Christopher Gross ] Re: History ["brian nupp" ] Re: [comics] Re: sim and chicks (beware: liberal use of the "m" word) [Aa] end of the whining... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: TV [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:25:42 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: woulda put Pearl Jam on my list >From: Eb >Subject: Robyn's worst enemy in the press? > >http://www.cpcn.com/earshot/earshot.1197/worst.chuck.shtml Those lists were pretty funny. This particular one was more correct than most, but he should have taken the cue from his peers and snapped up the Eagles, at minimum. I like the remarks Rob Sheffield made about Live, as well. >I suspect that Billy Idol, the Cult and INXS might make my list, though. _Idol Songs_ is the one to buy, by the way. The albums have very little to recommend them, but those singles...mmmmmm. Hilarious macho combined with so-stupid-he's-cute little punk boy looks...words fail me! Oh, turns out I really like Doves, though. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:07:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: woulda put Pearl Jam on my list >>Subject: Robyn's worst enemy in the press? >> >>http://www.cpcn.com/earshot/earshot.1197/worst.chuck.shtml > >Those lists were pretty funny. I laughed out loud at one writer's explanation for listing the Who. :) Speaking of worst music, I saw the Dave Matthews Band on SNL last night, and that first performance was just about the worst song I can ever remember hearing on the show. Unbelievable, that this guy is selling so many records. Those darn disenfranchised Deadheads.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:28:29 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Worst ... music ... ever! These were pretty amusing, even the ones I disagreed with. I wish more of the reviewers had bothered to write justifications for their picks. But why does Marc Weingarten refer to Joan Baez's "predictably reactionary political views"? Do his friends need to have a whip-round and buy Weingarten a dictionary, or is my vague impression of Baez as a life-long leftist completely wrong? - --Chris np: Cubanate, "Oxyacetylene" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:17:04 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Reap Sir Donald Bradman, 92, from pneumonia. I know I often put sports figures that US fegs won't have heard of into the 'reap' notifications, but this one is a biggie. Bradman was, without question, the greatest cricketer who has ever lived, and also undoubteddly Australia's greatest sporting hero. To compare him to Babe Ruth would be close, but even then it would fail to really indicate the feeling most Australians have for him. To give you just one indication of his worth, an average good international cricketer will score maybe an average 35 runs ever time he goes out to bat. Only a handful of players have averaged over 50. Bradmans average was 99.92 Both within and outside the game he was admired not only as a great player, but as one of the most humble, generous, and straightforward people in Australia. He will be mightily missed. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:25:47 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: potential AIDS vaccine announced http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010223/hl/vaccine_2.html np: Loaded (fully loaded bonus disc)-from the library of christopher gross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:59:57 -0500 From: "Brian Carling" Subject: History Anyone got any historical background on Cambridge area musicians? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Worst ... music ... ever! Christopher Gross wrote: > These were pretty amusing, even the ones I disagreed with. I wish > more of the reviewers had bothered to write justifications for their > picks. But why does Marc Weingarten refer to Joan Baez's > "predictably reactionary political views"? Do his friends need to > have a whip-round and buy Weingarten a dictionary, or is my vague > impression of Baez as a life-long leftist completely wrong? i have a feeling he meant reactionary in the sense of her being a knee-jerk liberal; that she just reacts with an automatic liberal POV rather than thinking things out. not saying i agree with him, but that's probably what he meant. because she certainly isn't going to be singing for dubya any time soon. and is it me, or when makings lists like this, shouldn't choosing barry manilow/tiffany/new kids on the block/et cetera be considered redundant, or at least too predictable to be allowed to contribute. at least picking the who or robyn hitchcock requires some sort of effort. ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Soft Boys in SF Russ Reynolds wrote: > I just found out through a contact at BGP that tickets will go on > sale March 4 for the Soft Boys show at the Fillmore April 7. TicketBastard or Baaaassssss... (okay, so it's now tickets.com. but robyn doesn't have a song called Tickets.com.). ===== "I am so sorry that (Treasury Secretary Paul) O'Neill is upset by people who refer to the corporate aristocracy in this country as "robber barons." That _is_ rude, isn't it? Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards." --Molly Ivins Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:33:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Inspiration from Wilde? (woo! real Robyn content!) On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, James Dignan wrote: > In one episode, Oscar recites a short children's story about "a happy > prince, covered in gold" who is visited and befriended by a swallow, a > creature he has never previously seen. Presumably this is a real Wilde > story... is it possibly the inspiration for Robyn's "Happy the Golden > Prince"? Yes and yes, respectively. The story is called "The Happy Prince" and you'll find it in the "Complete Works of Oscar Wilde" - available from many cheapo bookshops. - - Mike Godwin PS In Willans and Searle, Nigel Molesworth misspells the title as "The Hapy Prince". And (deviating slightly) the name Hogwarts School is surely lifted from the Latin pla "The Hoggwarts" also in Molesworth. BALBUS: "Eheu!" CORTICUS "Eheu!" (the Masters larff they are in stitches) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:56:46 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: reap ($$$) Eb wrote: > > Oh, I recently got the Internet-only Eels live album, which someone on the > list was raving about. I like it, but I'm a bit disappointed. I think it really helped if you'd been at one of the Eels Orchestra 2000 gigs. > a silly spoken-word piece by the drummer Which stateside folks wouldn't understand unless they'd experienced the joy of UK taps. Hereside folks didn't understand it either, since we don't know what "faucets" and "spigots" are. And you forgot the overture, which was a clever reinterpretation of all the old R&H stuff. > And when E.'s songs are stripped of > their snazzy arrangements and samples, the repetitive banality of their > chords and melodies can be unduly stressed. ooh, snippy! I guess somebody wouldn't have liked his solo albums, then. And didn't you mean to say 'cannot', 'cos you're actually saying you like 'em there... Stewart (disappointed that people aren't mentioning The Sophtware Slump more here.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Ajnabi Mujhko Itna Bata > >From: "Russ Reynolds" < > >Also, word has it the Soft Boys have been rehearsing "Anjabi Mujhko Itna." > >I bet their version kicks ass! At http://www.india-station.com/audio.html there is a ref to this song: Pyaar To Hona Hi Tha - Ajnabi Mujhko Itna Bata I assume that it's the same song, but I haven't managed to listen to it due to firewall probs. The language is probably Hindi. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:16:45 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: Re: Robyn's worst enemy in the press? Chuck Eddy -hates- Hitchcock, a hatred Im afraid largely fed by this Feg. Back when he lived in Philly and was married, I was best friends with his wife. He hated my pretensions: clear thinking, clean laundrey, treating his wife with consideration and respect. And somehow my evilness was perfectly characterized by the fact that I was a Hitchcock fan. And upon our hero his ire would be vent with a vitripitude Id thought hardly possible. He's divorced now--but I doubt he likes Robyn any better. K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:23:30 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #53 - -- Sundry responses-- Library Silence-- I read somewhere recently that Howard Devoto is now a librarian in London, but I'm not sure that singing "Song from Under the Floorboards" positions him for even covert world domination. Siblings, dc-- Frontier Theory -- I must *not* confuse them with Big Bang Theory ... Television-- It's ironic that now we have a legit release of "The Blow Up" but almost all of Tom Verlaine's records are out of print. Got em in vinyl, but I'm not sure I've seen most as CDs. He & Julian Cope are tied for my second favorite new wave lyricist (over Stipe, Byrne & Patti Smith, below RH). And I've been looking for Richard Lloyd's first album for a very long time. Happy the Golden Prince-- I don't know the Wilde story. When the music comes in dramatically right when the girl twists Happy's head off, it reminds me of something in the Velvets' "The Gift,"-- a smaller but dramatic sound on the narration track that comes right when that girl stabs into the package & accidentally into the guy's head. "The Gift" is nominally realistic & HTGP is fantastic, but both feature a peculiar guy pursuing a girl & losing his head; both are narration w/ some music. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:28:37 -0500 From: "Brian Carling" Subject: Re: History I am new to the feglist. The reason I mentioned this was that I've got this web page that includes some stuff about the Soft Boys and some of their "musical relatives" in the area. Please have a butchers and tell me what you think of it.... http://www.geocities.com/HappySurfer1/ It works OK most of the time when Geocities aren't farting around with their servers. BC On 25 Feb 2001, at 18:59, Brian Carling wrote: > Anyone got any historical background on Cambridge area musicians? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Worst ... music ... ever! On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > picks. But why does Marc Weingarten refer to Joan Baez's > > "predictably reactionary political views"? Do his friends need to > > i have a feeling he meant reactionary in the sense of her being a > knee-jerk liberal; that she just reacts with an automatic liberal POV > rather than thinking things out. not saying i agree with him, but > that's probably what he meant. because she certainly isn't going to be > singing for dubya any time soon. Okay, but if that's what he meant, he's misusing the word "reactionary." That's like using "penultimate" to mean "the very last," or substituting "to" for "too." Not that it matters; I only mentioned it because nitpicking other people's writing is one of the few pleasures left to me in my old age. > and is it me, or when makings lists like this, shouldn't choosing barry > manilow/tiffany/new kids on the block/et cetera be considered > redundant, or at least too predictable to be allowed to contribute. at > least picking the who or robyn hitchcock requires some sort of effort. You'd expect critics to follow that rule on their own. The fundamental difficulty with "worst of" lists is that it's only fun to participate if you can be sure that some of your readers love some of the artists you list. Odds are none of your readers have ever even heard any of the ten worst bands in the world, because *no one* but themselves, some unfortunate neighbors and maybe their mothers have heard them. Barry Manilow, 'N Sync et al. are almost as tough: though they have lots of fans, few of them can be expected to read lists made by rock critics. (Unless your list will be printed in People Magazine or Highlights for Children, I guess.) It's much more fun to list Robyn or the Who, even if you can actually think of dozens or hundreds of bands you think are worse. - --Chris np: Collide, "White Rabbit" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:53:43 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #53 >From: "ross taylor" <>Happy the Golden Prince-- >I don't know the Wilde story. When the music >comes in dramatically right when the girl twists >Happy's head off, it reminds me of something in >the Velvets' "The Gift,"-- a smaller but >dramatic sound on the narration track that comes >right when that girl stabs into the package & >accidentally into the guy's head. "The Gift" is >nominally realistic & HTGP is fantastic, but >both feature a peculiar guy pursuing a girl & >losing his head; both are narration w/ some >music. I always assumed Happy's head coming off, was a reference to an ejacultion. "...the toothpaste flowed out.." Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:10:32 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: History Great site! Enjoyed the family tree! >From: "Brian Carling" >Reply-To: "Brian Carling" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: History >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:28:37 -0500 > >I am new to the feglist. > >The reason I mentioned this was that I've got this web page that includes >some stuff >about the Soft Boys and some of their "musical relatives" in the area. > >Please have a butchers and tell me what you think of it.... > >http://www.geocities.com/HappySurfer1/ > >It works OK most of the time when Geocities aren't farting around >with their servers. > >BC > >On 25 Feb 2001, at 18:59, Brian Carling wrote: > > > Anyone got any historical background on Cambridge area musicians? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [comics] Re: sim and chicks (beware: liberal use of the "m" word) On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > The fact that he frames it as a fundamental dichotomy between the two > sexes, instead of between "normal", non-creative people and "inspired" > creative people, suggest a certain amount of, well, sexism. hear hear! people spend so much energy defending Sim against charges of sexism that i start to wonder just what they think "sexism" is. he says that men and women are radically different, and that women have all sorts of negative characteristics which he doesn't assign to men. on what planet is this not sexism? it's splitting hairs to say "well, he doesn't think it's BAD that women are uncreative and boring, so he doesn't have anything against women." it's still sexist. at the same time, sexism isn't the worst thing in the world. if someone accused Sim of being arrogant, i think a lot of people would shrug and so "so he's a little arrogant. big deal; he's still a good artist." his sexism seems just as self-evident, but, somewhat paradoxically, comments about it get deflected by inflating them to the point where they're absurd, then ignoring them. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:00:54 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: end of the whining... Hey kiddies, As some percentage of my communication has involved whinging about my employment situation, it is my pleasure to inform you that I no longer have a job to whine about. I'm going to take a little time off to figure out what I wanna do and then I'll do what it is that I come up with. This also means that music, home-oriented, and feggy projects are going to happen. Damn the uncertainty, hooray, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:48:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: TV >Television-- >It's ironic that now we have a legit release of >"The Blow Up" but almost all of Tom Verlaine's >records are out of print. Got em in vinyl, but >I'm not sure I've seen most as CDs. As far as I know, the only vinyl-age album which ever came out on CD was Dreamtime, which was briefly on Infinite Zero before that label ran out of gas. (IZ was co-run by Rick Rubin and Henry Rollins, if memory serves.) It used to be really easy to find secondhand Verlaine vinyl, but not anymore. I know I found Tom Verlaine, Dreamtime, Words From the Front (this album was *everywhere*) and Cover, all for $2 or $3. (I got Flash Light as a freebie -- I actually got that a couple of years before my first Television album, which is probably an unusual path of exploration to take.) I've never heard The Wonder -- that'd be nice to find somewhere. >And I've been looking for Richard Lloyd's first >album for a very long time. Is this where I gloat about finding a great-condition copy for $2, about 10 years ago? ;) Later, I got Field of Fire and Real Time for pretty cheap as well, but ended up trading them back. Surprisingly dull. Lloyd has a brand-new album out, incidentally. I haven't heard it, and kinda doubt I ever will. (Yes, I tend to remember how much I paid for secondhand music -- forgive me.) Eb, who thinks the CD version of Marquee Moon oughta have "Little Johnny Jewel" as a bonus track http://www.marquee.demon.co.uk/solo.htm http://www.richardlloyd.com http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/7784/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #54 *******************************