From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #50 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 22 2001 Volume 10 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I wanna see your Brian Eno! Show it to me! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: pink moon or whatever [GSS ] The Mighty Quinn [hbrandt ] boobs and bombs [Ken Ostrander ] Re: The Mighty Quinn [Bayard ] a plea to the philly phegs [Bayard ] Star Office [Terrence Marks ] re: empowerment via sexual manipulation [Eb ] Re: He's not misogynistic, he just hates women! [recount chocula ] Grammys [hbrandt ] Re: empowerment via sexual manipulation [hbrandt ] Grammys [hbrandt ] Re: Grammys [Eb ] pink moon or whatever/ Yes Bio ["brian nupp" ] Re: uhh...reap??? (unconfirmed) ["Irish Airman" ] Re: Grammys [hbrandt ] Philly SB show ["Irish Airman" ] birthday party pictures... [lj lindhurst ] Fundraiser to get Eb implants. [Viv Lyon ] too fun to pass up (0%RH) [Scary Mary ] Re: too fun to pass up (all Eb) [GSS ] Re: too fun to pass up (0%RH) [Aaron Mandel ] Danny Steel [Glen Uber ] Re: too fun to pass up (all Eb) [Scary Mary ] Rog [GSS ] dog is a concept by which we measure our pain ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:48:24 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: I wanna see your Brian Eno! Show it to me! Fans of Brian Eno in the Bay Area, if there are any, may want to check this out: >The San Jose Mercury's Web page has an article on an Eno installation >in San Francisco's MOMA called "Compact Forest Proposal" which will be >part of "010101" which opens March 3 and concludes on July 8. > > http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/arts/docs/popmusic21.htm - --Jason "The void was asking for it, what with that skirt hiked up to nothing, those whorish cosmetics splashed across her vacuum, and that low-cut dress exposing all that emptiness" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: pink moon or whatever > us live our entire lives so damn caught up with our own problems that we > seldom if ever think about how difficult so many others have it. We have > our computers and our bikes and our guns and our guitars and our cars, our > portable this and that or our new microwave ovens and our new lover or > what the fuck ever. Why the hell do so few of us have so much and so many > of THEM have so little? Are we just fucking lucky, or are we just fucked? Well, if one likes having those things, I guess one counts oneself lucky. However, at the current rate, we'll be completely fucked sometime this century (ie, point of no return). But the situation is not hopeless yet. Read on. > Is it a test? Shit I hope not, cause if it is, it looks like we are going > to fail. Nah. Well I mean it is, but we (the all-collective modern culture we) put ourselves in this situation. Very complex spoken language allowed the rapid spread of our way of living (Grow much more food than is needed, driving up population; Destroy all other life forms that threaten "our" food supplies; etc) This way of life spread across the planet quite quickly, replacing the old ways, pretty much wiping them out. (Even the Borg add conquered species' distinctiveness to their own - our own melting pot tends to melt it away.) I highly recommend _The Story of B_ by Daniel Quinn. It explains how it all happened, and how we could escape the inevitable. Very very interesting reading. =B http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-7703873-3296907 And it looks like he's written a new book: http://ishmael.org/index1.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:18:31 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: pink moon or whatever On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Bayard wrote: > I highly recommend _The Story of B_ by Daniel Quinn. It explains how it > all happened, and how we could escape the inevitable. > Very very interesting reading. A response delayed at that length is not acceptable, normally. But I can make acceptions. Thanks for making be remember Daniel Quinn, a great Leaver he is. Greg np: one of these things first, nd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:39:25 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: The Mighty Quinn > > I highly recommend _The Story of B_ by Daniel Quinn. > Thanks for making be remember Daniel Quinn, > a great Leaver he is. Ishmael and My Ishmael by D. Quinn are also highly recommended reading. His official website seems a bit "cultish", but for more info (and his new book): http://www.ishmael.com /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:46:02 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: boobs and bombs my credit card was rejected a couple of weeks ago when i tried to buy my ticket for the boston show; but it came in the mail yesterday anyhow. i should still be able to find an owner for the extra petunia ticket. there will be a bachelor party (by his request) for fegman mitch dickerman at the show. >Anyone out there know anything about Stiff Records pocket pop-ette Rachel >Sweet from the time of her departure from that label to the present day? Or >where I might find such info? I need to know quite urgently. Ta. she had her own show on eMpTyV a while back. of course, it was too cool to last. i don't think she's released an album since the early eighties. >Yum indeed. Breasts are lovely, tasty, fascinating. Endlessly. I noticed >that, although Russ used a somewhat icky euphemism for Ms. Spears' breasts >(hers are certainly more pneumatic than the word 'flapjacks' would imply), >he didn't modify it with an adjective that implied her boobs were doing >anything negative to him (ie: oppressing, offending, harrassing, etc). So, >you know, I didn't really care. i am almost-never offended, often harrassed, and not-often-enough oppressed by boobs. that's breasts, as opposed to induhviduals. speaking of which, >Has anybody mentioned Stanley Kramer, director of "High >Noon," "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner," and "It's a Mad, >Mad, Mad, Mad World" yet? (Sorry if I just didn't notice...) all i can think of is that big "dubya". >actually, the fact that clinton pardoned marc rich after his wife ponied up >half-a-million while he failed to pardon leonard peltier after the FBI's >shameful bleating says about all you need to know about the state of the >democratic party, don't you think? as a matter of fact, i've been saying that very thing; though i lost my faith a long time ago: about the time that clinton sold off public land, pushed through NAFTA, and killed welfare. i really think the time is ripe for a movie about the AIM. sherman alexie should be involved somehow. >>now bombing: Iraq > >"We are patrolling the no-fly zone to protect the people of Iraq. And >in order to do that, we need to protect our planes." --Samuel >Berger, former national security adviser > >So don't you see??? We're doing it for THEM!!!! They should be GRATEFUL... ...just like jerry. for them...to them, what's the difference? i mean, the only reason that saddam is still in power is that the folks that decide such things were afraid that the people might actually take control of the country and start using iraq's natural resources to help the people of iraq. that's just not allowed. by the way, if you liked NAFTA, you'll love the FTAA http://www.tradewatch.org/FTAA/ftaahome.html ken "that gag's got whiskers on it" the kenster np stephen malkmus ...mmmmm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:51:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: The Mighty Quinn On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > His official website seems a bit "cultish" should not be a problem... didn't we decide fegMania is a cult? (: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:27:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: a plea to the philly phegs has anyone not gotten tickets yet who will be? Apparently Eddie and I will be coming up to the gig. He has his ticket, I believe, but I need one and am loath to pay extra to Ticket(insert insult to ticketmaster here). Could you get me one? Let me know soon. Also, I advise you to get your tickets soon, whatever venue you're going to! Don't get shut out! =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Star Office I'd like to thank all of you that recommended Star Office. I just got it and I'm amazed at it... It's like Microsoft Word, only _good_. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:27:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: empowerment via sexual manipulation >> > > Also, I have a strict rule of only showing my boobs in person. Call me a >> > > nudity-luddite. >> > >> > Fair enough. See you in April. >> >> Does this mean I should bring color film? > >Ah, I see I have to clarify a couple things. First, NO FILM! Also, just >because I _only_ show them in person doesn't mean I'm _guaranteed_ to show >them in person. Sorry. Oh, lookie. Viv has managed to re-route the discussion to serve her own purposes, such that all the poor Fegboys are now fantasizing about seeing her topless. Another tactical triumph for Queen V. Is it any wonder she's so touchy about this "using one's body to get ahead" issue? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:12:33 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: He's not misogynistic, he just hates women! >> I'd bet Dave got an A+ that day in class, though I wonder how Colleen >> Doran ever responded to the mention of her in the piece. ("Um...thanks, >> I think" would be my guess.) woo hoo! colleen doran! _a distant soil_ is the only comic i ever actually subscribed to! woj n.s.m.h. steely dan? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:18:10 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: re: sexual malnutrition via empowerment On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > Oh, lookie. Viv has managed to re-route the discussion to serve her own > purposes, such that all the poor Fegboys are now fantasizing about seeing > her topless. Another tactical triumph for Queen V. That is absolutely incorrect. Jeme has been sending b&w nudie prints of Viv by 2nd day USPS to interested fegboys and girls for almost 2 years now. I can say with confidence that most of us are way past the initial fantasy stage. Lately I have been trying to get him to overnight mine but he says the supplication/personal satisfaction ratio just isn't high enough to offset the additional cost. Once he even threatened to start sending them bulk but I convinced him otherwise. np idiot wind - hard rain, bd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:40:32 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Grammys Grammys: I was zzzzzz-ing through the Grammys tonight and thinking to myself "This show needs a 'Soy Bomb' ". About 10 minutes later, some pathetic DJ (who'll be patting himself on the back during his Morning Zoo show tomorrow you can bet) jumps up on stage to spit out his call letters to Jon Stewart, prompting Stewart to mention Soy Bomb! feeling prescient, /hal, who did enjoy the Eminem/Elton thing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:41:53 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: empowerment via sexual manipulation Eb: > Oh, lookie. Viv has managed to re-route the discussion to serve her own > purposes, such that all the poor Fegboys are now fantasizing about seeing > her topless. Another tactical triumph for Queen V. Misogynist!! ;) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:47:02 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Grammys Best Jon Stewart quip from the Grammys (following the ultra-repetitve, special-effects laden Moby/Blue Man Group "song" to which the obviously bedazzled crowd gave a baffling standing ovation): "Amazing! Gallagher would be proud!" /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:55:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Grammys >Best Jon Stewart quip from the Grammys (following the ultra-repetitve, >special-effects laden Moby/Blue Man Group "song" to which the obviously >bedazzled crowd gave a baffling standing ovation): > >"Amazing! Gallagher would be proud!" Well, I like the Moby song, though I think it makes more conceptual sense when the vocal part is sampled, rather than sung live. Also, I think the Gallagher joke was referencing all the silver streamers which were liberally launched into the first rows, rather than the mallets used by BMG. I'm getting *really* sick of Blue Man Group's shtick, though. These dudes are total poseurs, man. Look beneath all the visual whizzbang and quirky instruments, and their music is *deadly* banal. It's basically pedestrian surf-rock, which is made to somehow seem "vanguard" by all that PVC-pipe silliness. Empty, empty, empty. If you gave Blue Man Group's instruments to Steve Reich...whew, now *then* you'd hear some interesting polyrhythms. Other short notes: 1. I was really surprised that U2 shut out Macy Gray. I do like "Beautiful Day," but "I Try" is an instant classic (I'm not even *close* to sick of that song yet) and it fits the Grammys' typical slant much better. 2. Speaking of Macy Gray, she seems to be destined to become the most uneven, unpredictable vocalist since Bawb. Really crummy performance by her, tonight. 3. Jon Stewart (whom I ordinarily like) was really mediocre as a host. Even his suit was wrong. And did Michael Greene angrily *push* Stewart out of the way, prior to the Elton/Eminem introduction? That was more shocking than the song! 4. Easily the funniest moment of the night for me: The winner of the new Native American Album category was announced, and the "song" the P.A. excerpted as the artist walked to the stage was nothing more than tom-toms playing quarter notes! No melody...no vocals...no chords...NOTHING! :) 5. Made me sad when they were announcing those "Hall of Fame" names (including Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys), and when the montage was over, the camera cut to a typically vapid Mike Love grinning at the camera. And Wilson had already been shown, earlier in the night -- he was in da howse! And ignored! Grr. 6. Most ironic moment of the night: Best New Artist winner Shelby Lynne opening her speech with "Thirteen years and six albums later...." Sheesh. The guidelines for this category stink. And heck, everyone knows this should've been a three-way race between Jurassic 5, Amy Correia and Badly Drawn Boy. ;) 7. Sheryl Crow is *terrible* at reading off a teleprompter. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:46:01 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: pink moon or whatever/ Yes Bio >I highly recommend _The Story of B_ by Daniel Quinn. It explains how it >all happened, and how we could escape the inevitable. >Very very interesting reading. This just reminded me that I bought this book, but never read it. I'll have to change that. Started reading Ishmael, but never finished it. I know many people find it an incredible book, but I just found it boring. Could of been my mind set at the time. I think I want to pick up a Bio about Yes. Anyone have any recommendations? Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:42 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: Re: uhh...reap??? (unconfirmed) Eb chipped in with: >Link o' the day: http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ (even scarier than >Michael Jackson??) You want scary...hit the link to his other fashion pages and see him as Little Lord Fauntleroy. As for Uber's recent dig at those of us with advanced degrees in the elavated Science of Librainia: We really rule the world. No one knows it and thats how we like it. But mess with us and you're doomed. Doomed I say. Motherfucking Asshole blew: >it might be fun to hear the soft boys cover led zep on their upcoming tour. laugh if you must, but i think the soft boys doing Boogie With Stu would be a hell of a lot of fun. Actually--I would really love that. You probobly didnt know this, but most world-ruling librarians are closet Zep fans... which brings me to the point, sorta, that one can aestherically enjoy creations which one's moral compass would normally point south on. I like Zeps pompous Teautonic hellbaiting even thou part of me thinks its ridiculous, and if I didnt think it was silly Id probobly think it was creepy. But I just boogie on and laugh at Plant's(or whoever's) lyrics. I cant see the point of condemming people for not being at my high level of world-ruling enlightenment. Just because they lack my gifts of insight and heightened consiousness(not to mentions boobs AND butt) dosnt mean one needs point out to them that they are jackasses. Because once you point your finger at someone else proclaiming them to be a jackass, its amazing how you yourself suddenly grow donkey ears and a donkey tail. Im not sure that makes sense. But since I rule the word(have I mentioned Im on alot of cold meds at the moment)it dosnt matter(pass the Benedryl, please.) K, who needs to go lie down now. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:54:49 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Grammys Eb: >I'm getting *really* sick of Blue Man Group's shtick, though. These dudes >are total poseurs, man. Look beneath all the visual whizzbang and quirky >instruments, and their music is *deadly* banal. It's basically pedestrian >surf-rock, which is made to somehow seem "vanguard" by all that PVC-pipe >silliness. Empty, empty, empty. If you gave Blue Man Group's instruments to >Steve Reich...whew, now *then* you'd hear some interesting polyrhythms. BMG less visuals equals nothing much, but you have to look at the total package. Sorta like Stomp. - - Steve __________ Take her to the Pitt! Go, Bigboote. Use more honey! Find out what she knows. - Lord John Whorfin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:56:52 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Grammys > >Best Jon Stewart quip from the Grammys (following the ultra-repetitve, > >special-effects laden Moby/Blue Man Group "song" to which the obviously > >bedazzled crowd gave a baffling standing ovation): > > > >"Amazing! Gallagher would be proud!" Eb: > I think the > Gallagher joke was referencing all the silver streamers which were > liberally launched into the first rows, rather than the mallets Right. It was a joke about style over substance. > I was really surprised that U2 shut out Macy Gray. So were they (Bono's "humility" speech). U2's performance was one of the highlights; Madonna's one of the low-lights. I surprised myself by liking Faith Hill's song! Macy Gray seemed blase' (drugged?) > Easily the funniest moment of the night for me: The winner of the new > Native American Album category was announced, and the "song" the P.A. > excerpted as the artist walked to the stage was nothing more than tom-toms > playing quarter notes! The Native-American that accepted the award thanking his "Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" had me laughing. Indians For Jesus!! Robbie Robertson's political plea/swipe at Clinton to "Free Leonard Peltier" was to be expected, I suppose. Shades of Brando and Sacheen Littlefeather. A double-dip of "Things I Hate About Awards Shows": Thanking God/Jesus for your award and stumping for your "cause". /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:41:00 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: Philly SB show An e-mail from Bayard has just cut thru my drug-induced fog and reminded me that-- Im about to buy a block of tickets to the Philly Soft Boy show(on March 20th) and if you want to join our merry band e-mail me NOW. Ive talked a bunch of friends from work into going, so there will be dinner and drinking first at some downtown boite. Also--I live in a big house with lots of beds and sofas, so out-of-towners are welcome K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:02:20 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: birthday party pictures... Anyone who is interested in seeing the shenanigans at my recent birthday party can check out Dumb Stuff: http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/bdayparty lj - -- ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Fundraiser to get Eb implants. On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > Oh, lookie. Viv has managed to re-route the discussion to serve her own > purposes, such that all the poor Fegboys are now fantasizing about seeing > her topless. Another tactical triumph for Queen V. My own purposes, eh? If this weren't so pathetic, it'd be hilarious. No, it's hilarious anyway. Wait- it might be hilarious _because_ of its patheticness. > Is it any wonder she's so touchy about this "using one's body to get ahead" > issue? How is this "getting ahead," again? First of all, if Tom and Greg actually do want to see my naked boobs (that is to say, if they aren't just kidding around, which I would have to say they most certainly are), they aren't much different than most men, who would want to see _anyone's_ naked boobs, because they're men and seeing naked boobs in person is exciting. So I'm not terribly flattered by the attention. I think it's funny, but that's about it. Second of all, exactly how am I benfitting from this? Oh yeah, woo hoo, people are talking about my boobs. Yippee. I can get real live attention from real live men in my own town any day of the week. I don't "get off" on email discussion of my chesticles. Honestly, the only person it seems to faze is you. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:57:04 -0500 From: Scary Mary Subject: too fun to pass up (0%RH) Something making its rounds through the internet world. It's kind of long and requires the flash plugin. I believe the phrase is from the (horribly) translated introduction to the Genesis game Zero Wing. http://www.imsa.edu/~dank/AYB2.swf m ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:39:14 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: too fun to pass up (all Eb) O |@ @| | . | |#| | | _| |_ Ok call me daft, but what is the relationship between this and the fundraiser Viv has started on Eb's behalf? On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Scary Mary wrote: > Something making its rounds through the internet world. It's kind of long > and requires the flash plugin. > > I believe the phrase is from the (horribly) translated introduction to the > Genesis game Zero > Wing. > > http://www.imsa.edu/~dank/AYB2.swf > > m ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: too fun to pass up (0%RH) On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Scary Mary wrote: > I believe the phrase is from the (horribly) translated introduction to > the Genesis game Zero Wing. Yes. An actual translation (if anyone's curious what all that is supposed to mean) is at www.gamefaqs.com/console/genesis/file/zero_wing.txt. I've tried playing Zero Wing, Truxton and Batusgun, and even for someone raised on video games like me, that intro is the only really entertaining thing the company ever did. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:47:07 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Danny Steel woj spake thus: >n.s.m.h. steely dan? Ironic twist of the day: I find I strangely amusing that such a big fuss was being made over Eminem and his lyrical content after he was nominated for a few Grammys. Meanwhile, a band named after a high-powered dildo wins 2 of the bigger awards: One for a song about incest ("Cousin Dupree") and the other for an album which featured songs about nymphomania, necrophilia, and pyromania, among other non-traditional topics. Of course, the Dan are no strangers to bizarre subject matter. To wit, "Everything You Did" is about a guy who beats up his lover after catching her cheating; "With A Gun" is about covering up a murder; "Everyone's Gone To The Movies" is about a bunch of teenagers watching 8mm porno flicks in a middle-aged neighbor's basement. All were done with tongue in cheek, a shit-eating grin and with an underpinning of glossy smooth jazz-rock, so no one ever bothered to notice. If nothing else, Becker and Fagen were masters of subtlety. I could go on, but suffice it to say, Eminem certainly is not the first, nor the worst. He is simply a bit less subtle with his opinions; much more "in your face". I think that bothers people much more than the subject matter he tackles. n.p. Steely Dan, _Aja_ - -- Cheers! - -g- "Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." - --Russ Reynolds, 21 Feb. 2001 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ) ) Glen Uber // uberg at sonic dot net // Santa Rosa, California ) )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:05:41 -0500 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: too fun to pass up (all Eb) Perhaps it should be the "All your boob are belong to us" fundraiser. m At 12:39 PM 2/22/2001 -0500, GSS wrote: > O > |@ @| > | . | > |#| > | | > _| |_ > > >Ok call me daft, but what is the relationship between this and the >fundraiser Viv has started on Eb's behalf? > >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Scary Mary wrote: > > > Something making its rounds through the internet world. It's kind of long > > and requires the flash plugin. > > > > I believe the phrase is from the (horribly) translated introduction to the > > Genesis game Zero > > Wing. > > > > http://www.imsa.edu/~dank/AYB2.swf > > > > m ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:24 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Rog http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/02/21/clinton.brother.arrest.ap/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:30:27 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: dog is a concept by which we measure our pain >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) >From: dmw >So is "Hep a Hole" inspired by Harlan >Ellison's "A Boy and his Dog," or what? Did >we ever sort that out, I'm sorry I >forget... I don't remember the story as well as the movie, but it sure sounds close. Robyn's big "alri-ight" in that song sounds totally Lennon, Lennon w/ his upper lip drawn back ... Sort of a back-logged question/response-- I lurked thru some discussion of possible Hitchcock tributes to Lennon, including a quote from Robyn. I'm disappointed that there & elsewhere he hasn't mentioned "Man Who Invented Himself" in re Lennon. I always assumed that was who it was about. On the one hand-- THe record came out soon after JLs death, & RH sounds a bit like "John at the piano" tho that could be a general style. But the lyrics seemed dead on for a JL trib-- "bursting out of nowhere" --Nowhere Man, or nowhere Liverpool; he ends up back in nowhere, or the Void which Being just contaminates; the 2nd verse seems to be about respecting your sexual partner, a big theme of late JL; the middle, "he's gone." Last verse--"only person in the world who still believes he's real"-- given the surreal aspects of the song, this could be a surreal take on immortality, metaphysical or cultural. Even the horns seem a slight echo of Double Fantasy or Beatles big production values. On the other hand-- According to Rhino Reissues, it "was written a few days after Robyn watched Monty Python's Life Of Brian." So that's 1979. Still, pretty close, since JL made the crack about being bigger than Jesus. Plus RH could have fleshed it out some in response to events. Or there's the ironic chill of his writing it while Chapman was already starting to hang out around the Dakota and the whimsical beings in the Department of Fate were filling out the paperwork to requisition JL's murder (just metaphoring!). Oh well, it can still be about Lennon for me, right? I've also had some trouble accepting the idea "The President" was not about Waldheim... Ross Taylor "the man who invited himself" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:33:44 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Danny Steel Well said, as usual, Glen! The difference between Mssrs Shady and Dan being that one frames his stories in the language of the street, and the other in metaphor and allegory. And of course it's easier to attack something that's in-your-face obvious than it is to have to explain why something is "bad". Ordinary fucking people; I hate 'em. - -tc on 2/22/01 10:47 AM, Glen Uber at uberg@sonic.net wrote: > woj spake thus: > >> n.s.m.h. steely dan? > > Ironic twist of the day: > > I find I strangely amusing that such a big fuss was being made over > Eminem and his lyrical content after he was nominated for a few > Grammys. Meanwhile, a band named after a high-powered dildo wins 2 of > the bigger awards: One for a song about incest ("Cousin Dupree") and > the other for an album which featured songs about nymphomania, > necrophilia, and pyromania, among other non-traditional topics. > > Of course, the Dan are no strangers to bizarre subject matter. To > wit, "Everything You Did" is about a guy who beats up his lover after > catching her cheating; "With A Gun" is about covering up a murder; > "Everyone's Gone To The Movies" is about a bunch of teenagers > watching 8mm porno flicks in a middle-aged neighbor's basement. All > were done with tongue in cheek, a shit-eating grin and with an > underpinning of glossy smooth jazz-rock, so no one ever bothered to > notice. If nothing else, Becker and Fagen were masters of subtlety. > > I could go on, but suffice it to say, Eminem certainly is not the > first, nor the worst. He is simply a bit less subtle with his > opinions; much more "in your face". I think that bothers people much > more than the subject matter he tackles. > > n.p. Steely Dan, _Aja_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #50 *******************************