From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #49 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 21 2001 Volume 10 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the soft and the hard [Viv Lyon ] Re: the soft and the hard [Tom Clark ] RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder ["Jason R.] Re: uhh...reap??? (unconfirmed) ["brian nupp" ] Re: Portable MD recorders/Mississippi Malcolm McDowell [David Witzany ] RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder [GSS ] Re: [comics] Orycteropus afer & misogyny ["J. Brown" ] Slug me! [steve ] RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder ["brian nu] Re: Portable MD recorders/Mississippi Malcolm McDowell ["brian nupp" ] 30 Days in the Pound ["ross taylor" ] Re: 30 Days in the Pound [dmw ] bay area fegs [Micheal Brage ] Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Viv Lyon ] DIY-LSD Set List [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] [recount chocula ] Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Viv Lyon ] Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Tom Clark ] Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Eb ] Oh fie. [Viv Lyon ] Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Viv Lyon ] Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: the soft and the hard On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > on 2/20/01 1:22 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > > Should I get anything else? > > > > Lots of Mochi!!!!!! MOCHI!!! Blast, you can't get it from Fred Meyer. My friend Aaron says he used to make his own "oatmeal mochi", wherein you take a ball of vanilla ice cream and roll it in oatmeal. Supposedly good, but it can't be as awesome as the rice pastry gooey stuff. Vivien ps- Jeme, get some pita bread. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:35:18 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: the soft and the hard on 2/20/01 1:58 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Tom Clark wrote: >>> Should I get anything else? >> >> Lots of Mochi!!!!!! > > Seriously, though... did you need a ticket? How about your wife? > J. I already have my wife, but thanks. We have our tickets also. - -c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:40:54 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder At 01:29 PM 2/20/01 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >I've heard lots of problems from folks with Sharp portlables. I've got a Sharp MD-MS200, purchased in Korea, that I'm pretty happy with. The one drawback I've heard about the Sony units is that their headphones jacks tend to "go bad" fairly easily. The jack on my Sony MZ-E40 has started acting up, so I believe it. - --Jason "Oprah approved" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:01:38 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: uhh...reap??? (unconfirmed) >>Link o' the day: http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ (even scarier than >Michael Jackson??) > Eb, where do you find such things? I know it's mean, but I could help getting a good laugh out of this one. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:35:01 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: Re: Portable MD recorders/Mississippi Malcolm McDowell I have a Sharp MD-MS722, and would recommend it to anyone. It has all of the features that you're looking for except for separate headphone and line outs. You can change the recording level while your recording is in progress (which most if not all Sonys cannot), and it has no "End Search", which is a button you must press to skip to the unused area of the minidisc on all but the newest Sony models. (If you forget to press "End Search", you begin recording wherever the record head is, overwriting anything that might be there.) The only problem that you might run into with the 722 is finding one. It's old enough technology that it isn't made anymore. That also means that it's noticably larger than the newer models; it also means it's pretty darn sturdy. For what it's worth, it's also slot-in, meaning you slide discs into it as you do with full-size models, as opposed to the clamshell that all current models sport. By the by, what ever became of Ms. Dodge? If anyone knows of songs featuring talking dogs, she would. She also knew all of the bars around downtown Chicago that had Guinness on tap... Dave. David Witzany witzany@uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers - ------------ _______________________________________________________________ Greg said: Hey fegs, Is anyone here familiar with portable minidisc recorders, either sony or sharp? I have been using a Sony MDS-JE510 deck unit for about 3 years and have been very satisfied with the results. I am in the market and just wondered if anyone has any good or bad things to say about the Sony R37SP, the Sharp MR60 or the Sharp MD-MS722 or any other comparable units with Sony ATRAC 4 and up or Sharp ATRAC 6 and up. It must have a mic-in, line-in, optical-in, headphone out and a line level out. Any help would be appreciated. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:00:26 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: [comics] Orycteropus afer & misogyny Anyone still curious about the recent Cerebus/Dave Sim/misogyny discussion? See what all the fuss is about here: http://www.home.aone.net.au/think/sim.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:09:31 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder Wow, long live the Minidisc. We have lots of minidisc fans on this list. That is kick-ass. They really are neat little devices. I still haven't decided on a specific unit, but I appreciate the advice and warnings. Do any of these units (below $200) have analog auto and manual record level settings? I remember ready something about sync-recording with autolevel on some sharps, but I don't remember whether it was rated good or bad. The R37SP looks like the most durable, but having to hit pause to adjust the level might be a problem. And can I get a good mono concealable mic for under 50 bucks? Thanks Again, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:52:39 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: the soft and the hard Jeme: > I'm going to Fred Meyer tonight and I'm picking up > 1 Soft Boys Ticket for myself > 1 Soft Boys Ticket for the lovely and talented Miss Vivien > 1 Soft Boys Ticket for the G-nat. > 1 Soft Boys Ticket for Greg, the stewart of shells. > 2 Soft Boys Tickets for my friend and sometimes co-worker MikeV. > Tasty Bites (Madras Lentil and Bombay Potatoes) > Cilantro > A shovel > A rake > A trowel > stereo RCA cables > > Should I get anything else? Beer. Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:28:21 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: [comics] Orycteropus afer & misogyny On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > Anyone still curious about the recent Cerebus/Dave Sim/misogyny > discussion? See what all the fuss is about here: > > http://www.home.aone.net.au/think/sim.html thanks for confirming his misogyny, hal. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:04:04 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: [comics] Orycteropus afer & misogyny > > http://www.home.aone.net.au/think/sim.html Jason: > thanks for confirming his misogyny, hal. You're welcome, but I didn't "confirm" anything. I just posted a link. Make of it what you (obviously) will. In the intro to the web page, the author's claim of Dave's "self-proclaimed 'misogyny' " is False. Sim has claimed just the opposite (as a matter of fact). He also made the error of saying that Sim "dropped his fictional shell entirely" which is also False (although the fictional Viktor Davis is certainly an autobiographical stand-in for the real Dave, whose middle name is Victor.) Plus, you realize that this is one issue out of 300. 14 pages of text out of 6000 total pages. And, while Sim has called this the "pinnacle" of the CEREBUS storyline, it's certainly out of context when considering the work as a whole. Also, we still don't know how the thing ultimately ends, so a rush to judgement is knee-jerk at best. That being said, I respect your (and admittedly many others) opinions. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:44:47 -0600 From: steve Subject: Slug me! http://geocities.com/msebasky/slug_hymnal.html And Salon discovers the Anti-Sims? http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/02/20/hernandez/index.html - - Steve __________ I'd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:38:18 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: RE: Bang you upside the head with a portable minidisc recorder >From: GSS < >Wow, long live the Minidisc. We have lots of minidisc fans on this list. >That is kick-ass. They really are neat little devices. > Indeed! >I still haven't decided on a specific unit, but I appreciate the advice and >warnings. > >Do any of these units (below $200) have analog auto and manual record level >settings? > >I remember ready something about sync-recording with autolevel on some >sharps, but I don't remember whether it was rated good or bad. > >The R37SP looks like the most durable, but having to hit pause to adjust >the level might be a problem. > I'm home now and can look at my devices. Stand clear of the sharps, you'll cut your finger. I have the Sony MZ-R3 and the Sony MZ-R37. The R37 is newer (from april 99 sez on the back), but not as new as the R37SP. Having to pause to adjust the recording is a problem indeed. Just ask anyone who has a copy of the Ferndale 11-6-99 RH show I recorded on my R37. I set it for auto level and it set itself on the 1st sound it picked up. It got much louder from there, but the recording level didn't change so the bass distorted. Bummer. It won't happen again though, cause now I know how to work the machine. You must set the level low, cause you can always boost it later (thanks Mike Hooker!), and never use the auto level for live shows. The r3 unit is a few years older (sept 95), and a great unit. I truelly believe this one records crisper. It is said that it has Wide Stream recording, and I believe it. Too bad it skips when it records now. Plays great though. The buttons are way easier to use because they are bigger, and the display is much easier to see. Also, It engraves the time/date/year on the disc when you record! Cons: Doesn't get loud enough for when you mow the lawn or take a plane. Can't separate Right and Left recording levels (can any?). And can't adjust levels while recording (fixable later, if you set you recording level low). Both have Line/optical level in, line out, separate headphone line out, and mic in. >And can I get a good mono concealable mic for under 50 bucks? > Good Question. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:53:53 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Portable MD recorders/Mississippi Malcolm McDowell >From: David Witzany She also knew all of the bars around downtown >Chicago that had Guinness on tap... Good info indeed! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:56:37 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: uhh...reap??? (unconfirmed) >>Isn't stileproject the same site where the Britney Spears >>flapjacks-showing-through-the-plastic-top photos that keep landing in my >>e-mail box (not that I'm complaining) originated? > > I have no idea, but you better *pray* Viv and Natalie don't blast you for > implying women are no better than breakfast food. ;) Sorry, didn't mean to imply that at all! Of course they're good for lunch and dinner too. (yum!) - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:22:46 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: faith-based energy pricing so this tool boxed set is quite nice and all. what's perhaps most striking is their cover of No Quarter -- very interesting. also got me to thinking that it might be fun to hear the soft boys cover led zep on their upcoming tour. laugh if you must, but i think the soft boys doing Boogie With Stu would be a hell of a lot of fun. moreover, my uncle chucky dropped in for a visit to-day, and the conversation naturally gravitated toward the subject of robyn hitchcock. at one point, he picked up a copy of INVISIBLE HITS, and began reading the song titles aloud, each one more incredulously than the last. after he'd finished, he stated that, "this is the kind of stuff dr. laura talks about." i (*quite* surprised) rejoined, "really?!" he hedged a bit, and said that was only judging by the song titles, and not taking the words into account, then mentioned something about "the degradation of society". (you have to understand that my uncle chucky is kind of headed 'round the bend. in fact, perhaps he's always been around it.) anyways, i finally played Point It At Gran for him, and he got quite a kick out of it (not sure if in a good way or bad), and finally asked, "he writes this stuff himself?" he was particularly interested in the demographics of the fegs, as it turns out. i also played the Man With The Lightbulb Head intro from A SOFT BOY NO MORE for him. he didn't seem particularly amused. finally, i've (in the lieu of actually doing anything productive) uploaded yet more scans to the image gallery -- including some tasty ones sent in by mr. marc holden. *hopefully* i can get the link correct this time. . "We have long understood that words have different meanings for the oppressors and the oppressed." --Ho Chi Minh "America has this problem that it wants to erase its own past. Otherwise, it's a great place." --Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:55:16 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: the soft and the hard Capuchin wrote: > > super feg mochi party. arg! gag! When I lived in Japan, I was always getting mochi foisted on me. It's vile! Instant gorge rise, and it's hard to get puke stains out of tatami. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Salsa is a vegetable! http://www.ardmoreite.com/stories/070198/liv_salsa.html Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:13:28 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: 30 Days in the Pound >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:10:08 -0800 >From: "Russ Reynolds" >Subject: Re: This is the dog talkin' now >guess what: a talking dog. /lou reed/sally can't dance/animal language plus "I Never Met a Dog That Took to Me" by some early 70s band called Crabby Appleton plus from the train this a.m. I saw "sundogs," small patches of refracted light, like little rainbow pieces 45 degrees on either side of the sun. Ross Taylor "this is a dog of no known kind with one white eye and one black eye and the eyes of his eyes are as lost as you'll find" - --e.e. cummings Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: 30 Days in the Pound I don't recall that the dog in Belly's "Slow Dog" necessarily talks, but I've always thought of it as a companion to "Wey Wey..." anyway. So is "Hep a Hole" inspired by Harlan Ellison's "A Boy and his Dog," or what? Did we ever sort that out, I'm sorry I forget...must be all the 'luminum. Or luminium. - -- d. np the villas _secrets_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:53:32 -0800 From: Micheal Brage Subject: bay area fegs Fegs, I'll be attending a conference in San Francisco from 2/27 through March 4th. How can I found out about good local shows? Are there any venues you recommend? Maybe we can hook up. Please reply off list. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Russ Reynolds wrote: > >>Isn't stileproject the same site where the Britney Spears > >>flapjacks-showing-through-the-plastic-top photos that keep landing in my > >>e-mail box (not that I'm complaining) originated? > > > > I have no idea, but you better *pray* Viv and Natalie don't blast you for > > implying women are no better than breakfast food. ;) > > Sorry, didn't mean to imply that at all! Of course they're good for lunch > and dinner too. > > (yum!) Yum indeed. Breasts are lovely, tasty, fascinating. Endlessly. I noticed that, although Russ used a somewhat icky euphemism for Ms. Spears' breasts (hers are certainly more pneumatic than the word 'flapjacks' would imply), he didn't modify it with an adjective that implied her boobs were doing anything negative to him (ie: oppressing, offending, harrassing, etc). So, you know, I didn't really care. Vivien ps- www.boobscan.com is pretty amusing. Filthy and disgusting and shameful, but amusing too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:01:53 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: DIY-LSD Set List [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:36:29 PST >From: gomonkeygo_jo >Subject: DIY-LSD Set List [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] > >Here's what I played this morning, concentrating on "early" RH and SB, >trying to keep it all electric rather than acoustic (even "...Pretty Girl" >is the live electric version). > >If anyone heard it, please let me know. > >-------- > >DIY-LSD (WVKC 90.7 | www.knox.edu/wvkc/listen.html) > >February 21, 2001 > >Featured Artist: The Soft Boys & Robyn Hitchcock > >S Boys  Human Music >S Boys  The Asking Treee >Hitch  A Skull, A Suitcase, A Long Red Bottle Of Wine >Hitch  Acid Bird >S Boys  Sandras Having Her Brain Out >S Boys  Vegetable Man >Hitch  When I Was A Kid >S Boys  Old Pervert >Hitch  Do Policemen Sing? >S Boys  The Yodelling Hoover (Bootleg) >S Boys  Leppo And The Jooves >Hitch  The Man With The Lightbulb Head >Hitch  Insect Mother >Hitch  Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl (Live) >S Boys  The Face Of Death (Bootleg) >Hitch  Messages Of Dark >S Boys  Hes A Reptile >S Boys  Insanely Jealous >Hitch  The President >Hitch  Airscape >Hitch  Luminous Rose >S Boys  Where Are The Prawns? >Hitch  The Bells Of Rhymney >Hitch  Freeze >S Boys  Kingdom Of Love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:25:19 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner on 2/21/01 10:47 AM, Viv Lyon at vivlyon@bitmine.net wrote: > ps- www.boobscan.com is pretty amusing. Filthy and disgusting and > shameful, but amusing too. Don't overlook www.ratemyrack.com either! I'm looking forward to seeing you there, Viv. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: He's not misogynistic, he just hates women! On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > You're welcome, but I didn't "confirm" anything. I just posted a link. A link that confirms his (hilariously pseudo-profound) misogyny. > Make of it what you (obviously) will. In the intro to the web page, the > author's claim of Dave's "self-proclaimed 'misogyny' " is False. Sim has > claimed just the opposite (as a matter of fact). He also made the error > of saying that Sim "dropped his fictional shell entirely" which is also > False (although the fictional Viktor Davis is certainly an > autobiographical stand-in for the real Dave, whose middle name is > Victor.) I can think of few cases in which a character was more obviously a mouthpiece for the author's views. He's constantly addressing the Cerebus readership- he even talks about Dark Horse, for pete's sake. This is about the most thinly-veiled proxy I've ever seen in a work of fiction, and I read H.G. Wells, for the love of god (for those of you who don't know, Wells wrote about 10 different slightly fictionalized accounts of his life story). Plus, you realize that this is one issue out of 300. 14 pages > of text out of 6000 total pages. And, while Sim has called this the > "pinnacle" of the CEREBUS storyline, it's certainly out of context when > considering the work as a whole. Also, we still don't know how the thing > ultimately ends, so a rush to judgement is knee-jerk at best. I don't think people are contending that Cerebus's theme is solely misogynistic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe people are merely stating that Dave Sim very obviously hates (most) women. > That being said, I respect your (and admittedly many others) opinions. Respecting a person's right to their own opinion is one thing, actually considering what they have to say quite another. Hal, it's okay to like an author who is misogynistic. I like many authors with whose beliefs, feelings, predispositions, etc. I disagree or find unhealthy or misguided. Nobody thinks you're a misogynist just because you like Dave Sim's work. But please admit that the man hates women. It just couldn't be more patent. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > Don't overlook www.ratemyrack.com either! I'm looking forward to > seeing you there, Viv. Apparently www.ratemyboobs.com is broken, though. Just so you know. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:06:42 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: butts for breakfast, lunch and dinner > Yum indeed. Breasts are lovely, tasty, fascinating. Wow, chicks are cool. Boobs are nice, but I think the butt is better. In the end, at least as I see it, the butt is the key. Don't me wrong, I like boobs though I think we have become way to boob focused. Anyone, including men can have nice boobs through manipulation or just luck. But butts are something that more often take hard work to refine and make beautiful. Some of course are lucky and just have a nice butt. To me, basically all women naturally have nice boobs. It is the huge melon like, artificially exagerated ones that turn me off. I hate nudie bars and strip clubs, but when I have on a few occasions been forced or coerced to visit one, I sit as far away from the stage(s) as possible and wonder what the hell turns those goons on about double and triple D cup boobies. They almost never occur naturally and it seems like the girls who have that size naturally only want them reduced. I am sure it was either the communists or the borg that did this to our society by introducing things like flouride in the water, diet coke, near beer, the pet rock, reduced fat salad dressing, miracle whip, limp jazz, instant pudding and teflon coated skillets. Look at '7 of 9', a beautiful woman in all regards, except for the boobs, what a joke. Ban the implants, worship the butt. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > > Don't overlook www.ratemyrack.com either! I'm looking forward to > > seeing you there, Viv. > > Apparently www.ratemyboobs.com is broken, though. > > Just so you know. Also, I have a strict rule of only showing my boobs in person. Call me a nudity-luddite. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:47:41 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner on 2/21/01 12:30 PM, Viv Lyon at vivlyon@bitmine.net wrote: > Also, I have a strict rule of only showing my boobs in person. Call me a > nudity-luddite. Fair enough. See you in April. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:11:20 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner > > Also, I have a strict rule of only showing my boobs in person. Call me a > > nudity-luddite. > > Fair enough. See you in April. Does this mean I should bring color film? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:23:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner Viv: >although Russ used a somewhat icky euphemism for Ms. Spears' breasts >(hers are certainly more pneumatic than the word 'flapjacks' would imply), >he didn't modify it with an adjective that implied her boobs were doing >anything negative to him (ie: oppressing, offending, harrassing, etc). So, >you know, I didn't really care. All well and good, except that you and yours were far more concerned about me "equating women with cows" than her showcased flapjacks "oppressing" me. Eb, retaining his right to be irked by women who use their bodies to get ahead now grimacing at: Flybanger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Oh fie. On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, GSS wrote: > > > Also, I have a strict rule of only showing my boobs in person. Call me a > > > nudity-luddite. > > > > Fair enough. See you in April. > > Does this mean I should bring color film? Ah, I see I have to clarify a couple things. First, NO FILM! Also, just because I _only_ show them in person doesn't mean I'm _guaranteed_ to show them in person. Sorry. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > Viv: > >although Russ used a somewhat icky euphemism for Ms. Spears' breasts > >(hers are certainly more pneumatic than the word 'flapjacks' would imply), > >he didn't modify it with an adjective that implied her boobs were doing > >anything negative to him (ie: oppressing, offending, harrassing, etc). So, > >you know, I didn't really care. > > All well and good, except that you and yours were far more concerned about > me "equating women with cows" than her showcased flapjacks "oppressing" me. Wrong. I (and "mine," as if I control people's thoughts) were angered by your assumption that Martha was presenting herself as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist, just because she showed some cleave. > Eb, retaining his right to be irked by women who use their bodies to > get ahead Like strippers? Oh no! And whores? God forbid! To exactly what are you referring here, Eb? Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:03:03 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Boobs for breakfast, lunch and dinner On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > > Eb, retaining his right to be irked by women who use their bodies to > > get ahead > > Like strippers? Oh no! And whores? God forbid! To exactly what are you > referring here, Eb? Female construction workers, obviously. Women should be immaterial beings, the way they were in the 50s when men were men and dualism was widely accepted. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:47:25 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: He's not misogynistic, he just hates women! Viv: > Hal, it's okay to like an > author who is misogynistic. Thanks for the green light! (You know, RobynH admits he was once "misogynistic".) > Nobody thinks you're a misogynist just because you like Dave > Sim's work. That'd be a leap, yes. > But please admit that the man hates women. It just couldn't be > more patent. I don't know Sim personally, so it would be just an Emotional Opinion to say that he Hates Women. Besides, you're not considering the fact that the characters in CEREBUS (i.e. The Judge and therefore, possibly "Viktor Davis") have been known to be liars. One of the overall themes of the book is that "all stories are true". The point I made about the work being incomplete (and therefore the rush to a Judgement being possibly misguided until we read the final chapter in March 2004 when #300 is released) is eloquently explored in this message from a CEREBUS discussion list I've been reading... Sean wrote: > I have a hard time reading 186's text as anything but an example of an > unreliable narrator stringing together support for a manifestation of the > Big Lie. It really looks, to me, like a fairly workmanlike fitting > together of conjectures, observations, and anecdotes meant specifically > to bolster an ultimately outlandish point. One clue is that the speaker, > while claiming that the "void" rules by anecdote, cites an awful lot of > anecdotes in making that point. It's the idea of the Big Lie, the lie told > long enough and often enough that it becomes regarded as a truth, that > makes this an integral part of the story. > It's also a great topic for a debate exercise: > "Mr. Sim, for today's debate, take the point that women are the cause of > all hardship in the world. Bolster your argument with "evidence", > anecdotal in nature, that can't easily be refuted. Thrown in a couple of > well-known misogynistic quotes to show that Great Thinkers have > echoed your beliefs. Extra credit if anyone actually believes you mean > it. Good luck." > I'd bet Dave got an A+ that day in class, though I wonder how Colleen > Doran ever responded to the mention of her in the piece. ("Um...thanks, > I think" would be my guess.) > The piece's tone reminds me of the Fox network's most recent foray into > the outlandish: a recent special that showcased the "evidence" that NASA's > moon landings were a fraud. Never mind that it's a well-established fact > that Man Walked On The Moon back in 1969. Take a position, make the > argument, and eliminate (or only allow as an object of ridicule) all > other arguments to the contrary, and you can "prove" that man hasn't > ever left the Earth. > Or that a feminist-centric society is destroying the planet. Or that there > exists such a thing as a master race that should be preserved at the > expense of all other "impure" races. And so on. > There are reams of literature that echo 186 in style, though not in > content. They focus hate at Hutus, or East Timoreans, or Kosovars, or > Blacks, or Jews. Come to think of it, I'm Irish, and I suppose I've got > the right to be appalled by Swift's "Modest Proposal", which suggests > that Irish babies are probably the best babies to eat, if you're committed > to eating babies, but I've seen that one for what (I trust) it is, too. (No > flies on *me*.) I wonder if Swift's sales plummeted after that was > released... > > I've never seen this sort of screed focus on women before, though, and >that's why I think Sim makes them the target here; sure, there's always > been "advice" that tried/tries to keep women "in their place", but I've > never seen anything that suggested that they were the source of all evil > in the world. Perhaps the choice of women as the target was meant to be > a clue to its outlandishness in and of itself - one would expect that > there's a built-in problem with promoting the wholesale ostracization > and extermination of women, in that any society that's successful at it > would be successful at dooming itself. Maybe that's one of the points, > though - a society that does this in any way, with any sub-group as a > target, is dooming itself. (Even the act of evicting the rather innocuous > "middlemen" subgroup from a planet in Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's > Guide To The Galaxy"winds up spelling doom for the groups that evicted > them.) > > At any rate, I agree that there's a purpose to 186's text pages, and I > believe that purpose has something to do with there being more to > what's printed on the pages of 186 than the text itself. The words > printed therehave a lot to do with it, but I think it's only a facet. Of > course, I could be wrong, or tired, or both... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #49 *******************************