From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #37 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [GSS ] more of this comics shit [hbrandt ] the smiths, the cure, and kate bush ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything ["Irish Airman" <] Re: 50 years in 18 hours [Ben ] Hello, etc. ["ross taylor" ] remedies & elixirs [recount chocula ] RE: 50 years in 18 hours ["brian nupp" ] Re: remedies & elixirs [Tom Clark ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [Eb ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [GSS ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [hbrandt ] droppin' like flies [Eb ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [Jeff Dwarf ] tipping the disser [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:38:54 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, GSS wrote [another list of definitive rock acts]. > > Hot list, Greg! I see we both picked up on Carole King, The Temptations, > the Allman Brothers, the Supremes and James Taylor. I kinda got cross wired with 'artists we owned album (s) by who really don't fit conceptually with the rest of our collections' and the rockumentaries list > I also totally agree with you about Abba, Van Morrison, Sly & TFS, Bread, > Chet Atkins (and how about James Burton?), James Burton is absolutely kick-ass and should be included. > I'm not so sure about the 1-hit wonders: Procol Harum (Whiter Shade), Plus 'Conquistador' > The Cars (maybe they had 2 The Cars were real big here in the states. ie.. Drive, Hello Again, My Best Friends Girl, She Comes and that other one 'i'd don't mind you coming here and wasting all my time', whatever it was called. > Janis Ian (?), 'At Seventeen', I just love that song, plus a couple others > Conway Twitty (Make Believe) he was at least semi-crossover,,, sorta and he had lots of hits > the Righteous Brothers (Lovin Feeling), 'unchained melody' sinks me everytime I hear it > mac davis not well known but a great song writer, 'the ghetto'(a beautiful fucking song i have to hold back the tears every time I hear it) elvis did it but it was originally called 'the vicious circle','memories', 'its hard to be humble' , 'my bestest friend' and lots of others, plus he's from Texas > I've never heard of: > Jeff Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Jimmy Buffet, Brooks and Dunn, don't worry, you haven't missed much if you never hear these guys, but Jimmy Buffet did 'Come Monday', which is a great song > Looking Glass, did 'brandy, you're a fine girl', great song > Slipknot, i just threw them in to see if anyone would catch it > R.B Greaves, 'take a letter maria' don't ask me why I put that in > the Sexton Brothers Charlie Sexton is guitar player par excellance he has played for Dylan and numerous others and his brother is a a good musician also, plus they are from Texas. > PPPS Are the Vaughan Bros the people who used to be the Fabulous > Thunderbirds? Jimmie Vaughan is in the Fabulous Thunderbirds, his brother Stevie Ray Vaughan was just fabulous, plus they are from Texas so many songs, so little time...... gss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:13:16 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: more of this comics shit > >Yes, it's another "Dave Sim The Evil Misogynist" post! Andrew: > I don't know the man or much about his work. I've just read > that "female void" theory you refer to, and it went well beyond > the metaphysical. You'd probably be right in finding it a snap > judgement but that doesn't change the way I feel. Fair enough. At least you bothered to read it and aren't just taking The Comics Journal's word for it. In the monthlies, Sim expounded at length (convincingly) as to why his views are not misogynistic. Check those essays out for further info if you are so inclined. >there are still plenty of excellent, excellent > things happening in comics and I haven't read them all by a long > shot. Absolute agreement. In addition, there are great things that have *already* happened in comics (i.e. post-Spirit works by Will Eisner, the complete Little Nemo In Slumberland by Windsor McKay, anything by Vaughn Bode, etc. etc.) that are waiting to be re-discovered. > Why > aren't there more "graphic novels" in libraries? Great question. Call your local library and request 'em. > I just read _Ghost World_ on Aimee Mann's "recommendation." Not > sure yet how I feel about it, but I loved reading it. Can't wait for the movie (w/Christina Ricci): http://www.addict.com/html/hifi/Features/Clowes,_Dan/981006/ /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:16:05 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the smiths, the cure, and kate bush >From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Interesting post, but: >Most of pop is aggressively uninteresting to me, as it is >almost never revolutionary in terms of songwriting or >musical composition How many revolutions do you need? :) Many people demand "originality" from their music. You demand "revolution." Am I lame because I'm able to be satisfied with "individuality"? >From: Michael R Godwin >The Cars (maybe they had 2 >hits, Just what I needed and ?) "You Might Think," "Drive" At least. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:28:10 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 50 years in 18 hours I would doubt that 2 of my favorite styles, the neo-psychedlic/paisley underground movement of the early 80's (where The Soft Boys would be mentioned) or the shoe-gazer movement from the late 80's early 90's, would even get mentioned. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: dmw [mailto:dmw@radix.net] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:41 AM To: Engulfed in Living Slime Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eclipse wrote: > blech, any 18 hour "history of rock" that spends 3 hours on the Beatles > and 2 on the Stones - almost 1/3 of the entire series - is one i'm not > watching. not to diminish these bands' contributions to the evolution > of rock n' roll, but it's not like they invented it! perhaps i'm just > feeling the oversaturation of Beatles-giddiness that seems to have > taken over VH1 and whatnot lately. well, i wouldn't watch it either. i may not have done as good a job of qualifying my rationale as i intended: this wasn't my what SHOULD be list, it was my what might be PROBABLE given a Ken Burns-y approach. i plead to a certain amount of US bias (no slade) being by design as well. my meta-point: "rock music" is too big and complex, and means too many different things to too many different people, for an 18 hour program to do more than take a necessarily superficial overview of major trends. it ain't gonna please all the people nohow. kinda like jazz. i have a feeling that even if all 18 hours devoted a minute apiece to a single individual, the phone would still be ringing and e-mails flying. "where the hell was ian dury?" "fuck ian dury, what about the chick from quarterflash?" - -- d., who can't believe he left the velvets off the rockthrow list. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: dissing aardvarks On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > "Ick" to your interpretation ("raping"?!) "Dave Sim The Evil > Misogynist"-post count is now up to 2. Guys like Norman Mailer and > Politically Incorrect's Bill Maher are "misogynists" too, right? Ick. i don't really enjoy e-mail arguments, so these are almost certainly my last words on the subject. a. I will admit that it's been a long time since i read it, but I think the application of force upon an unwilling void was explicit in the work, not an interpretation of something that was at all ambiguous. b. Whether or not Sim denies being misogynist is completely irrelevant to my reaction to the work personally, and should be largely irrelevant anyway -- to say a thing doesn't make it so. I know plenty of people who would angrily deny that they are racists. The work must ultimately be judged on its own merits -- my judgement was that it had become hate literature. c. I have no intent of attacking you, hal, or implying that you are misogynist/sexist/whatever. You're entitled to your own opinion, as am I. Perhaps I stated mine a bit too forcefully, well, I do that sometimes, my opinions are often strong. My reactions was strong too -- I found the issue that I finally gave up on -- and I actually I think it was a bit later than the one I referred to, after years of following the little grey guy around it was a hard habit to break -- literally stomach turning, which tends to make me want to warn people who might have similar sensibilities. pax, - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:41:51 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything Bawb gets more than 1/2 an hour. Sore-thumbs in the collection: Richard Harris--yup--the all Webb album. Enya--yup--Greatest Hits One album each for Girls School and Slade. A single of Keith's 98.6(I would gladly add an album by him--but were there ever any albums by him?) The soundtrack to SNF, due to a compulsive and shameful need to boogie to Disco Inferno. Glenn Campbell's Greatest Hits for Witchita Lineman(Jimmy Webb keeps cropping up on this list.) I wouldnt include Neil Diamond's "On a Hot summers Night" cause that only came to me thru marriage. Its all -his- fault;-) And to GGS Why does suffering exits? The great aweful question no one has ever been able to answer, and which will never be definitevly answered in this life. The trapdoor void we blithly jump over except for those times some of us dont. No answer--just distractions and ego and fear. No answer, but fellow-feeling and compassionate action may help. Hell--its February and theres just not enough light. Oh--and some of the music by a guy we occasionally talk about here kinda sometimes does sorta deal with that darkness. Which is one of the main reasons Im a fan. K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:51:25 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours I thought that the History of Rock that was shown on PBS over a series of nights a few years ago was pretty good (I think it was a BBC production?). Of course it was a general overview, but it was a good one. To put it this way, it didn't spend 95% of the series on Elvis and the Beatles. They had some cool moments like when introducing Bowie, "Space Oddity" was played as they panned along the highly detailed architecture of the ceiling of the building where he was being interviewed. (Maybe you had to see it) Another one I really liked was some footage of an ultra-stuffy critic (did I just repeat myself?) presumeably ca. 1966 saying something along the lines of "I think the Beatles have reached the end of their rope as a creative force an I don't think they will producing any more relevant music." Then cut directly to the cover of Sgt. Pepper, not too subtle but fun. ;-) What I think would be really cool would be for VH-1, in their current frenzy of "100 Greatest" lists, to do a list that could be called "The 100 Greatest Albums You've Never Heard". Now, this would be a list of albums that all of us *have* heard, but we a super-hip, you remember. ;-) This would be for the more typical viewer. I saw on their "100 Greatest Albums" list a few nice surprises in the inclusion of albums like The Replacements "Let It Be" and Television's "Marquee Moon", along the standard houshold names that dominated the list. At the very least it would expose 100 albums to some folks who may never venture into more obscure artists. And of course it would provide us more stuff to bitch about how so-and-so was left out. ;-) Yes, "Underwater Moonlight" would be #1!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:52:36 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Hello, etc. I've been lurking via the list archives for a couple of years & thought I should sign up, say hi & thank everyone for all the info. (My latest favorite discovery is "The Evolution of the Yip Song"). I'm another Washington, DC area resident & another library worker. I'm a baby boomer & have a family & a little house in the burbs. First saw RH in 86 at the old 9:30 club. When I put up the web site for Washington Review (a local arts mag) a few years ago, one of the first links I put on it was to the Libyrinth. I still have a backlog of Hitchcock questions, but I gather some "repeat" questions are OK here. Or maybe now I can just look them all up on the expanded archives ... I love the Rockin' Robyn and the Literary Hitchcock so I'm excited about the Soft Boys tour, but I also still hold out hopes for the novel. At the Iota show, Grant LP, starting into some joke:"You know Jimmy Buffett is working on a novel ..." Robyn, sounding genuinely insecure:"Oh! Is he working on a novel also?" So I'm rooting for more of the Literary Hitchcock. And thanks again for everything everyone has put up. Ross Taylor "The food moves slowly across the field. Dead, it will be fast food." --Anselm Hollo Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:36:28 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: remedies & elixirs i sent a note to scotopia pictures asking for some additional details about the robyn/grant concert film and received a response directly from kris kristensen, the director of the film. the release date has not been finalized yet but they expect it to be sometime in may. a track listing has been finalized but they're leaving it a surprise for now. suffice to say that it's evenly split between robyn and grant with a few covers tossed in for good measure. finally, they are planning on doing a vhs-only release but will consider a dvd if there is demand. so, i offered to do some back-of-the-envelope market research. if you have a format preference, let me know off-list and i'll let kris know the tally. dunno if this would make a real difference but it could be usual information. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:42:28 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: RE: 50 years in 18 hours >From: "Bachman, Michael" < >the shoe-gazer movement from the late 80's early 90's, would even get >mentioned. > I guess this is a good time to mention that I think Slowdive's "Souvlaki" album, produced by Brian Eno is one of the top ten greatest pop albums every created! Just my opinion though...I'm sure it would never get mentioned. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:59:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: remedies & elixirs on 2/8/01 12:36 PM, recount chocula at woj@smoe.org wrote: > i sent a note to scotopia pictures asking for some additional details about > the robyn/grant concert film and received a response directly from kris > kristensen, the director of the film. the release date has not been > finalized yet but they expect it to be sometime in may. a track listing has > been finalized but they're leaving it a surprise for now. suffice to say > that it's evenly split between robyn and grant with a few covers tossed in > for good measure. finally, they are planning on doing a vhs-only release > but will consider a dvd if there is demand. > > so, i offered to do some back-of-the-envelope market research. if you have > a format preference, let me know off-list and i'll let kris know the tally. > dunno if this would make a real difference but it could be usual information. > > woj > I'd pay upwards of $30 for a DVD version. Considering it was shot and edited on digital equipment, it would be a shame to downgrade it to the analog world. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:26:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries Well, whaddya know? The list finally woke up from its shellshocked, post-election doldrums. >On sales, Supertramp have to be included too. My copy of Breakfast in America cost only 49 cents, but it's worth five times that to me. ;) >The Lovin' Spoonful and Badfinger made good records, but I'm not sure that >they quite make the very top - a bit derivative. I'd include the Move in >this category too. And I would want to add in Graham Parker and the >Rumour, Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe if we were digging down to this level. > >I'm not so sure about the 1-hit wonders: Procol Harum (Whiter Shade), >Billy Paul (Mrs Jones), The Champs (Tequila), The Cars (maybe they had 2 >hits, Just what I needed and ?), the Boxtops (again, maybe 2, The Letter >and Cry Like a Baby), Janis Ian (?), Conway Twitty (Make Believe), Mason >Williams (is a gas gas gas), the Righteous Brothers (Lovin Feeling), >Roberta Flack (that Ewan McColl thing), Melanie (Brand New Key), Mac Davis >(?), Lobo (Boo). I think both you and GSS are getting your posts a bit "crosswired".... (I have a soft spot for "At Seventeen," too.) >I've never heard of: Jeff Tweedy, Wilco leader. >Slipknot, R.B Greaves, the Sexton Brothers, the Vaughan Brothers. I haven't heard of R.B. Greaves, either. >Lovin Spoonful Everyone should own a Lovin' Spoonful compilation, damn it! Eb now ehhing: The Negatives (aka Lloyd Cole's Tin Machine) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:52:21 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: dissing aardvarks dmw wrote: > i don't really enjoy e-mail arguments, so these are almost certainly my > last words on the subject. Nobody's pissed (at least I'm not). It's just friendly discourse. Relax! > a. I will admit that it's been a long time since i read it, but I think > the application of force upon an unwilling void was explicit in the work, > not an interpretation of something that was at all ambiguous. From CEREBUS #186 (the issue in question): "Hers was an act of imitation, at essence. Gathering debris, excretions, holding them immobile, in stasis in that Heart of Darkness. Pressure. Compression. Confinement. Containment. The wink of radiance..." " 'Artistic license,' said Viktor Davis. 'The pounding of the metaphorical female fist into the pocket of the metaphorical female catcher's mitt. That is to say: The Greater Void, the Mother of All Black Holes - having won the metaphorical toss - has elected to receive. Right here, baby, she murmers seductively. Right here.' " A wink? Electing to receive? Seductively? You may find that misogynist, but it sure doesn't describe rape by any stretch. > b. Whether or not Sim denies being misogynist is completely irrelevant to > my reaction to the work personally -- my judgement was that it had > become hate > literature. Issue #186 again: "Most of what I've been saying here, I think you'll agree, is pretty controversial stuff." "It wouldn't be that big a stretch to categorize READS (Cerebus Book 9) as Hate Literature against women. All it would take is for one woman to be disturbed enough by READS to file a lawsuit, or a women's group to file a class-action suit, in this Facistic Feminist country and that would be the ball game, wouldn't it?" So you can see, Sim certainly anticipated Emotional reactions such as yours. That doesn't make your reaction True or even "true". Then again, "all stories are true". Exception and Concensus. > > c. I have no intent of attacking you, hal, or implying that you are > misogynist/sexist/whatever. I would hope not, dmw! I'm not misogynist or sexist. Perhaps I am "whatever", however. > You're entitled to your own opinion, as am I. Agreed, certainly. > I found the > issue that I finally gave up on -- literally stomach turning, > which tends to make me want to warn people who might have similar > sensibilities. Maybe there should be a warning label, eh? Let's call Tipper. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries > > I've never heard of: > > Jeff Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Jimmy Buffet, Brooks and Dunn, > > don't worry, you haven't missed much if you never hear these guys, > but Jimmy Buffet did 'Come Monday', which is a great song As eb pointed out, Jeff Tweedy is with Wilco. I should have removed him from the 'David Allen Coe, Jimmy Buffet, Brooks and Dunn list'. You will miss something if you don't hear Wilco. I caught them on 'Sessions at West 54th' a couple years ago and they are definately worth hearing. gss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:01:49 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries > My copy of Breakfast in America cost only 49 cents, but it's worth five > times that to me. That cover alone is worth 49 cents! Hell, I paid a dollar for a Jackie Gleason LP because of the cover's great Gleason pinup appeal (it was worth at least a fiver!) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours Ben wrote: > I thought that the History of Rock that was shown on PBS over a > series of nights a few years ago was pretty good (I think it was a BBC > production?). Of course it was a general overview, but it was a good > one. To put it this way, it didn't spend 95% of the series on Elvis > and the Beatles. i think VH1 shows sections of this sporatically from time to time. of course, it's usually at 3AM when they don't have a Behind the Music to show into the ground. > What I think would be really cool would be for VH-1, in their current > frenzy of "100 Greatest" lists, to do a list that could be called "The > 100 Greatest Albums You've Never Heard". Now, this would be a list of > albums that all of us *have* heard, but we a super-hip, you remember. > ;-) This would be for the more typical viewer. I saw on their "100 > Greatest Albums" list a few nice surprises in the inclusion of albums > like The Replacements "Let It Be" and Television's "Marquee Moon", > along the standard houshold names that dominated the list. At > the very least it would expose 100 albums to some folks who may never > venture into more obscure artists. And of course it would provide us > more stuff to bitch about how so-and-so was left out. ;-) but it would get poor ratings. ultimately, something like that could work for say, Rolling Stone, but the interest just isn't there for VH1 to do that. > Yes, "Underwater Moonlight" would be #1!!! well, hopefully. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:08:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: droppin' like flies I'm probably way late in getting this news, but someone told me today that Jason Falkner is dropped from Elektra, as well. Another good one falls back to the indies! (Not that I hadn't predicted this, ages ago.) Damn, Elektra's extravagant roster-pruning (Luna, TMBG, Whigs, Moby, Falkner, Frank Black...) ticks me off -- if they dump Ween and/or Stereolab too, I just may have to pull that flaming-dog-doody-on-the-doorstep prank. Then again, Elektra already received its just desserts: Moby's massive, post-Elektra breakthrough. HA-ha! Eb, who'll be spinning Luna's new live album later tonight, coincidentally.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries Michael R Godwin wrote: > I'm not so sure about the 1-hit wonders: Procol Harum (Whiter Shade), > Billy Paul (Mrs Jones), The Champs (Tequila), The Cars (maybe they > had 2 hits, Just what I needed and ?), the Boxtops (again, maybe 2, > The Letter and Cry Like a Baby), Janis Ian (?), Conway Twitty (Make > Believe), Mason Williams (is a gas gas gas), the Righteous Brothers > (Lovin Feeling), Roberta Flack (that Ewan McColl thing), Melanie > (Brand New Key), Mac Davis (?), Lobo (Boo). The Cars were probably the most commercially successful new wave band in the US; at least 10 top 40 hits, probably more. The Boxtops only had two hits, but Alex Chilton is a (peculiar) legend. Janis Ian's hits were "Society's Child" & "At Seventeen." Conway Twitty was a pretty big country star. Didn't the Righteous Brothers also do "Unchained Melody?" > I've never heard of: > Jeff Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Jimmy Buffet, Brooks and Dunn, Looking > Glass, Slipknot, R.B Greaves, the Sexton Brothers, the Vaughan > Brothers. > > Am I missing something? I suspect these acts have never broken in the > UK. > > > wow, that took some diggin > > I bet it did! > > > - MRG > > PS And regardless of qualifications, I wouldn't watch any show that > featured Herman's Hermits or the Osmonds! > > PPS Have we forgotten the Jackson 5 / Michael Jackson? > > PPPS Are the Vaughan Bros the people who used to be the Fabulous > Thunderbirds? ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:14:44 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: ya gotta feed the fish... Yow! Eddie, I may not always agree with your politics, but as an archivist, you are a god! James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:14:54 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 50 years in 18 hours Brian, Thanks, I just ordered "Souvlaki". I bought "Just For a Day" by Slowdive when it first came out 9 years ago, but never got "Souvlaki". Do you have the Pale Saints "In Ribbons"? It's a great shoegazer that tends to get overlooked because its an import only buy. Over and out, Michael - -----Original Message----- From: brian nupp [mailto:bnupp@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:42 PM To: Bachman, Michael; dmw@radix.net; fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: 50 years in 18 hours >From: "Bachman, Michael" < >the shoe-gazer movement from the late 80's early 90's, would even get >mentioned. > I guess this is a good time to mention that I think Slowdive's "Souvlaki" album, produced by Brian Eno is one of the top ten greatest pop albums every created! Just my opinion though...I'm sure it would never get mentioned. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: 50 years in 18 hours brian nupp wrote: > From: "Bachman, Michael" < > >the shoe-gazer movement from the late 80's early 90's, would even > >get mentioned. > I guess this is a good time to mention that I think Slowdive's > "Souvlaki" album, produced by Brian Eno is one of the top ten greatest > pop albums every created! Just my opinion though...I'm sure it would > never get mentioned. i know eno co-writes a couple songs on it, but i thought they produced it themselves. shame about mojave 3 though. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:21:29 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: tipping the disser On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > > I found the > > issue that I finally gave up on -- literally stomach turning, > > which tends to make me want to warn people who might have similar > > sensibilities. > > Maybe there should be a warning label, eh? Let's call Tipper. Hey now! I am on record in all sort of places as an almost unconditional supporter of freedom of expression (I draw the line generally at things where the production of the expression itself involves committing a crime). People should have the right to create and disseminate hate literature; I should have the right to decide for myself what does and doesn't qualify and whether I want to read it or not. My right to describe something as hate literature is part of *my* freedom of expression; it's not at all the same thing as a state- (or industry-) imposed labelling system, to which I am extremely opposed, and which I believe, despite any lip-service to the contrary, *is* an attempt to curtail freedom of access to information. For the record, I have supported the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. - -- d. np hannah marcus _black hole heaven_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #37 *******************************