From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #36 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 036 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: worst priorities, EVER [hbrandt ] "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." ["Motherfucking Assho] expleening musical influenzas [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] what's wrong eb, you fucking slacker? ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] Re: worst priorities, EVER ["J. Brown" ] Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history [theodius ] feedthefish.org [Aaron ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [GSS ] Re: Robyn's place in rock history [GSS ] Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." ["brian nupp" ] Soft Boys in Chicago [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] [recount chocula ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [GSS ] Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries [Michael R Godwin ] Re: bawb?? ["matt sewell" ] Re: bawb?? [Rob Gronotte ] Re: 50 years in 18 hours [dmw ] we'd rather be poisoners ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:40:59 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER J. Brown wrote: > Fabry? why? pretty pictures but so what? Isn't that "enough"? I mean..."Frazetta. Pretty pictures, but so what?" "Robyn Hitchcock. Pretty songs, but so what?" I like Fabry's paintings. His PREACHER covers were what sold me on the book in the first place. Although, his work on Outlaw Nation is getting a bit redundant, I must admit. So what? I dunno... /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:17:11 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." all right. i think i've finally got this thing ready to go. and now i'm ready for a long, long nap. . "We have long understood that words have different meanings for the oppressors and the oppressed." --Ho Chi Minh "America has this problem that it wants to erase its own past. Otherwise, it's a great place." --Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:35:19 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." oops. forgot the "http" business. . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:02:56 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: expleening musical influenzas Welcome new fegs! I haven't posted in a while. I think I hope some of you remember me. Mebby I shouldn't... News: I came back to California from Utah. Utah was great, but, alas, I did not qualify for the NASTAR national ski race (not far from the third place finish for which I was laboring.) I am workin' my ass off at the moment at the charming place of my vocation, but clearly I have a ways to go. It would be very nice to go home to Oregon soon. While "Bad Boy" Bayard and Eric "Ebby Ebeneezer" Broome discussed and pondered the deeper crevasses of cacaphonous caterwauling in rock music, I began to think about where I had left my tuna sandwich. Hope it wasn't in your glove compartment.... Re: Hitchcockian music history... I think it matters how you slice it. I don't think album sales are a very good indication of influence, but by genre most would bias toward something that came first or was more popular or more controversial. In this way, though very different, Incredible String Band, and some part of Richard Thompson, and Billy Bragg would almost automatically be given a higher status by the general media than Robyn. Due to time constraints, it would be difficult for them to do more than mention him. It may be of great disservice to him if they were to caricaturize him and dismiss his body of work with a single reference to "Balloon Man" to sum up his art. These shows and lists generally turn out to be highly perspective-driven. If a feg were making a musical map of influential artists it would appear much different- and then most would be different from others. Terry Marks-a- lot might put Beach Boys, Yes, and the Monkees the sizes of Alaska, Texas and Montana. Quail "The Bird of Great Alleged Literacy", would have Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Phillip Glass- sorry, I mean Rush: Phillip Glass is his favorite country 'n' western act. Eddie: Proctologist to the GOP, might put Journey, Dead Kennedy's, and Lionel Richey in the top spots (I might be kidding about the Lionel R bit.) Chris "Skyscraper" Franz's map might have a big Screaming Blue Messias, Siouxie, and Wall of Voodoo maybe? Glen "who bleeds disgustingly in silver and black and has a pirate tattoed on his privates" Uber's odd states of the Cure, Zappa, and was it the Grateful Dead or was it Brit'ney Spears? If Jeme "Cartman on a Cray" Brelin is slicing up the nation of rock, it could include such heavyweights as The Go-Gos, They Might Be Giants, and Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark. Most of pop is aggressively uninteresting to me, as it is almost never revolutionary in terms of songwriting or musical composition and lacks the kind of elements that can change the way I feel. I guess the original sensory experience of hearing something great can be like the first time someone attempts bungee jumping from K2 or turning a jet at 7Gs or sticking a knitting needle all the way through his/her aorta. The specific qualifications of influence mean that the work must be somewhat original and have one or more of the following: great lyrics, great music, powerful energy. Influences have come to me in almost epiphanies- the world for me changed when hearing them: The Who, The Kinks, The Turtles, King Crimson, Zappa, Elvis Costello, Devo, Talking Heads, The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo, Stan Ridgway (Wall of Voodoo), Laurie Anderson, Robyn Hitchcock, Dan Bern, and a few more I temporarily forget and/or don't particularly want to talk about. I'm not going to get funding for a movie about my fringy tastes in music- I must be understanding when something comes from the mainstream and consider the source when they revere the voluminous brilliant artistic rock concerti from the likes of Lief Garrett and Right Said Fred. Incidentally, the "music" of Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark has been proclaimed "highly influential" by many (former) musicians. Most of those who didn't immediately and violently destroy their instruments upon hearing it, vomited from their eye sockets, which is no easy feat. I guess they won't put that in their damn "rockumentary, if you will." I guess I'm kinda "the anti- Velvet Underground." You'd think that that would provide me some cache, or clout- but it doesn't. Happies, - -Markg "Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but dangerous to run with, nevertheless." "Humor is more important than information." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:02:14 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: what's wrong eb, you fucking slacker? dale evans kicks off and you're not going to announce it to the world? they must be in *serious* mourning mode over at the trinity broadcasting network. "We have long understood that words have different meanings for the oppressors and the oppressed." --Ho Chi Minh "America has this problem that it wants to erase its own past. Otherwise, it's a great place." --Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:08:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: expleening musical influenzas HappiesMark: >While "Bad Boy" Bayard and Eric "Ebby Ebeneezer" Broome No no no...I'm "E. Bro" for the time being, just like my hero Jennifer Lopez! I may even go on the Letterman show, and beg Dave to superimpose my nipples on his desk. >If a feg were making a musical map of >influential artists it would appear much different- and >then most would be different from others. Terry Marks-a- >lot might put Beach Boys, Yes, and the Monkees the sizes >of Alaska, Texas and Montana. Quail "The Bird of Great >Alleged Literacy", would have Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and >Phillip Glass- sorry, I mean Rush: Phillip Glass is his >favorite country 'n' western act. Eddie: Proctologist to >the GOP, might put Journey, Dead Kennedy's, and Lionel >Richey in the top spots (I might be kidding about the >Lionel R bit.) Chris "Skyscraper" Franz's map might have >a big Screaming Blue Messias, Siouxie, and Wall of Voodoo >maybe? Glen "who bleeds disgustingly in silver and black >and has a pirate tattoed on his privates" Uber's >odd states of the Cure, Zappa, and was it the Grateful >Dead or was it Brit'ney Spears? If Jeme "Cartman on a Cray" >Brelin is slicing up the nation of rock, it could include >such heavyweights as The Go-Gos, They Might Be Giants, and >Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark. Didn't have the nerve to satirize me, eh? Wimp!! ;) E. Bro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:20:51 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > J. Brown wrote: > > > Fabry? why? pretty pictures but so what? > > Isn't that "enough"? I mean..."Frazetta. Pretty pictures, but so what?" > "Robyn Hitchcock. Pretty songs, but so what?" I like Fabry's paintings. > His PREACHER covers were what sold me on the book in the first place. > Although, his work on Outlaw Nation is getting a bit redundant, I must > admit. Frazetta's pictures arent even pretty! And theres more the pobyn than just pretty songs. Fabry's covers are better than Tim Bradstreet's but thats not saying much. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: theodius Subject: Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history Bayard: >Robyn's influence is...more widespread than you think. I must say, i'm enjoying the digest much, and wish i had joined up a long time go. The subject of R.H's influence and place in history is interesting, because even though Hitchcocks music has n't been a commercial success story, we all know his fan base is very strong. His presence on the internet is strong and growing. He may not be a "musicians, musician", but i'd wager a large percent of his listeners are musicians. Most of ya know his music has been covered by the Counting Crows, Grateful Dead, and of course REM. Funny thing when i was searching for "quotes about The Soft Boys", I found other bands that are covering his music too...like the Goo Goo Dolls (i wanna destroy you), which i think the G.G.D's suck big time, but i thought i'd mention it anyway..eh. I guess my point is..(if there is one)..I think it's fair to say that R.H. does own a small piece of Rock History, and has justifiably earned it. You can't pick up any Rock & Roll Encyclopedia/History Book and not find his name mentioned, and if it's not there, then it's not worth buying. One thing I think is interesting, is back in Dec.1999 i started up this Yahoo Robyn Hitchcock Club, and before doing so, i was checking out other clubs, just to see how they work and such. Clubs like the XTC Club, Tom Waits Club, Nighthawks Diner. They were all approaching the 200 member mark back then. Here's the stats now; XTC: est.1998 has 250 members, Tom Waits Club est.4/99 192 members, nighthawk's diner est.9/99 233 members..And finally drum roll please R.H.club, est Dec.2000, 241 members. I never thought we'd reach 90 members, so fegdom is strong. Even though the club listed above aren't necessarily commercial household names, they're defineatly well established. Especially, Tom Waits,( Waits fans are big time hard core fans..like Dead Head hardcore.,)who is an actor and producer as well. The neatest discovery, is i thought all R.H. listeners were washed up, 30 something slackers like myself. There are quite a few members/fans/listeners that are between ages of 15 and 20 something years old, also quite a few that are in there 50's. Anyway rambling on... I think it'd be interesting to see R.H. produce some albums for other musicians, be another Daniel Lanois.......and on that note i will disappear again, into my observation stage..cheers., ./..theo "and if my thought dreams could seen, they'd probably put my head in guilotene..'" ===== http://www.theos-place.com Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:16:30 -0600 From: Aaron Subject: feedthefish.org I have to admit that I've been really swamped with overdue projects lately, and haven't had enough time to read the list postings and contribute, but I did read Eddie's message and followed the link. WOW. That is a phenominal amount of archiving you've done, and very effectively and efficiently done as well. I, for one, will get hours of enjoyment perusing it, when I have the time to devote to it. Glad to see that my SPECTRE transcription from so many years ago has survived and has a home in this amazing collection of documentation. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. * Aaron mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net http://aaron.hollowstreets.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:43:15 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries > erm...Glen Campbell? Gerry Rafferty? Deep Purple? Ron Goodwin? How about Mac Davis, Townes Van Zandt, Badfinger, Carole King, Janis Ian, Sly and the Family, The Cars, The Temptations, Bobby Darin, Aaron Neville and family, Bread, the Allman Brothers, Conway Twitty, Lovin Spoonful,Jeff Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Billy Paul, Seals and Croft, Hall and Oates, The Supremes, The Ventures, Todd Rundgren, James Taylor, Jimmy Buffet, Hermans' Hermits, Supertramp, Brooks and Dunn, the Champs, Leo Kotke, Lobo, Looking Glass, Procol Harem, Mark Knopfler, Neil Diamond, Mason Williams, Melanie, The Righteous Brothers, Snakefinger, The Shirelles, Slipknot, R.B Greaves, Roberta Flack, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Croce, Ozzy, Boxtops, The Pretenders, Van Morrison, Abba, the Sexton Brothers, the Vaughan Brothers, Chet Atkins, The Marshall Tucker Band, and the list goes on... wow, that took some diggin gss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:48:29 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Robyn's place in rock history On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Russ Reynolds wrote: > >> All of this may change in 20 years time but as of this moment Robyn > >> Hitchcock's importance in rock's history isn't even on par with that of > >> Jimmy Buffett > > > > How do you figure? Buffett is better-known, sure, but mostly as a sort of > > joke, outside his fan base (right?) > > Joke or not, Buffett has a much larger fan base and as such has made a > larger blip on the music screen. He has written some songs that definately do not appeal to me, but didn't he write 'Come Monday'? That is a nice song to listen to and I even sometimes pick it and sing it when I'm feelin sad and lonely. gss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:56:37 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." One word: Impressive. Good job! Brian Nupp >From: "Motherfucking Asshole" >Reply-To: "Motherfucking Asshole" >To: >Subject: Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:35:19 -0800 > >oops. forgot the "http" business. > >. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:00:41 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: "Stop crowding us, you shit-faced cockmasters." when we last left our heroes, Motherfucking Asshole exclaimed: >. mother-fucking-shit, eddie!!! i think i'll go shut down fegmania.org right now. i've no right to the name. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:13:42 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER J. Brown wrote: > Frazetta's pictures arent even pretty! "Pretty" is in the eye of the beholder. > And theres more the pobyn than > just pretty songs. I assume this was meant to read "There's more to Robyn than just pretty songs." You're telling me! > Fabry's covers are better than Tim Bradstreet's but > thats not saying much. Neither are you. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:21:56 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Soft Boys in Chicago [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:53:02 PST >From: clean_steve_2000 >Subject: Soft Boys in Chicago [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] > >Soft Boys tickets go on sale for the Chicago show (at the Metro, natch) >this Saturday (2/10) at noon. Unfortunately, you must deal with the evil >Ticket Master in order to get them. But then I suppose often times one >must deal with Satan in order to reach Heaven. > >(okay, that last remark was bullshit.) > >This is a dream come true! I hope to meet some of you other fans there... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:49:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, dmw wrote: > okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" > might look like [list snipped] > start throwing rocks now. Good list Doug! BUT - On the 50s, I don't see how you can omit: Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps Bo Diddley Little Richard Fats Domino On the 60s, the big-selling bands which I would add are: Diana Ross and the Supremes The Miracles (remember, Smokey is America's greatest living poet!) Otis Redding The Temptations Aretha Franklin Dusty Springfield The Hollies The Yardbirds (the proper Jeff Beck version, I don't think you can just split them between the Clapton Yardbirds and the Page Yardbirds) The Move And as for the 70s, what about: Carole King / James Taylor T Rex Slade ELO Elton John Thin Lizzy Elvis Costello Not that I'm crazy about all these acts, but in terms of hits and sales Slade and Elton John must outqualify acts like Lynyrd Skynyrd (and incidentally, did you miss the Allman Bros?). Furthermore, I don't understand why Rod the Mod goes in your 'disco' section - surely he fits in with the Kinks and the Animals. And where are the Faces? Come to that, where are the Small Faces? Add another 4 hours to the total! - - Mike Godwin PS We won't talk about Gary Glitter ... PPS The act which definitely doesn't fit with any others in my collection is Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelly. They won't get into anyone's history of rock! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries I guess I have no 'conceptual' type collection. People look at my collections and say 'you listen to all this shit' and I say 'as often as possible, but you should hear my party mixes' forgot to add, Roy Acuff, Hank Snow, Harry Chapin, ZZ Top, The Kings, Judas Priest, Merciful Fate, Anvil, Puffy Combs, Los Lobos and Run DMC > How about Mac Davis, Townes Van Zandt, Badfinger, Carole King, Janis Ian, > Sly and the Family, The Cars, The Temptations, Bobby Darin, Aaron Neville > and family, Bread, the Allman Brothers, Conway Twitty, Lovin Spoonful,Jeff > Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Billy Paul, Seals and Croft, Hall and Oates, The > Supremes, The Ventures, Todd Rundgren, James Taylor, Jimmy Buffet, > Hermans' Hermits, Supertramp, Brooks and Dunn, the Champs, Leo Kotke, > Lobo, Looking Glass, Procol Harem, Mark Knopfler, Neil Diamond, Mason > Williams, Melanie, The Righteous Brothers, Snakefinger, The Shirelles, > Slipknot, R.B Greaves, Roberta Flack, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Croce, Ozzy, > Boxtops, The Pretenders, Van Morrison, Abba, the Sexton Brothers, the > Vaughan Brothers, Chet Atkins, The Marshall Tucker Band, and the list goes > on... > > wow, that took some diggin > > gss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:13:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, GSS wrote [another list of definitive rock acts]. Hot list, Greg! I see we both picked up on Carole King, The Temptations, the Allman Brothers, the Supremes and James Taylor. I also totally agree with you about Abba, Van Morrison, Sly & TFS, Bread, Chet Atkins (and how about James Burton?), Neil Diamond, the Ventures, the Shirelles and probably Knopfler. On sales, Supertramp have to be included too. The Lovin' Spoonful and Badfinger made good records, but I'm not sure that they quite make the very top - a bit derivative. I'd include the Move in this category too. And I would want to add in Graham Parker and the Rumour, Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe if we were digging down to this level. I'm not so sure about the 1-hit wonders: Procol Harum (Whiter Shade), Billy Paul (Mrs Jones), The Champs (Tequila), The Cars (maybe they had 2 hits, Just what I needed and ?), the Boxtops (again, maybe 2, The Letter and Cry Like a Baby), Janis Ian (?), Conway Twitty (Make Believe), Mason Williams (is a gas gas gas), the Righteous Brothers (Lovin Feeling), Roberta Flack (that Ewan McColl thing), Melanie (Brand New Key), Mac Davis (?), Lobo (Boo). I've never heard of: Jeff Tweedy, David Allen Coe, Jimmy Buffet, Brooks and Dunn, Looking Glass, Slipknot, R.B Greaves, the Sexton Brothers, the Vaughan Brothers. Am I missing something? I suspect these acts have never broken in the UK. > wow, that took some diggin I bet it did! - - MRG PS And regardless of qualifications, I wouldn't watch any show that featured Herman's Hermits or the Osmonds! PPS Have we forgotten the Jackson 5 / Michael Jackson? PPPS Are the Vaughan Bros the people who used to be the Fabulous Thunderbirds? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: bawb?? What the hell is bawb? Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: 50 years in 18 hours okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" might look like -- not necessarily what it *should* look like, but what it might actually be, what sort of things might get shoehorned together, and somewhat taking into good stories in terms of famous feuds, colorful deaths, etc. here's a guess, in hours: 3 btls 2 stones 2 zep 0.5 who 0.5 bowie 0.5 kinks 0.5 pistols/clash 0.5 pfloyd 0.5 animals,troggs, zombies etc. 0.5 deep purple black sab, etc. 0.5 cream/clapton 0.5 young/csny/byrds 1 janis joplin/jefferson airplane/doors/etc. 0.5 metallica g'n'r def leppard etc. 0.5 yes rush king crimson genesis etc. 0.5 rem lemonheads nirvana etc. 1.5 elvis/sun 0.5 chuck berry, buddy holly, eddie cochran 0.5 lyrnryd skynrd, creedence, aerrosmith etc. 0.5 donna summer, rod steward, bee gees etc. 0.5 bawb 0.5 hendrix start throwing rocks now. - - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:30:46 -0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: bawb?? Rob Bawb is Lord God All-bloody-mighty, AKA Robert Zimmerman AKA Bob Dylan You may have heard of him! ;-) Matt >From: Rob Gronotte >Reply-To: Rob Gronotte >To: , dmw >Subject: bawb?? >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:22:58 -0500 (EST) > >What the hell is bawb? > >Rob > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) >From: dmw >Subject: 50 years in 18 hours > >okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" >might look like -- not necessarily what it *should* look like, but what it >might actually be, what sort of things might get shoehorned together, and >somewhat taking into good stories in terms of famous feuds, colorful >deaths, etc. >here's a guess, in hours: > > >3 btls >2 stones >2 zep >0.5 who >0.5 bowie >0.5 kinks >0.5 pistols/clash >0.5 pfloyd >0.5 animals,troggs, zombies etc. >0.5 deep purple black sab, etc. >0.5 cream/clapton >0.5 young/csny/byrds >1 janis joplin/jefferson airplane/doors/etc. >0.5 metallica g'n'r def leppard etc. >0.5 yes rush king crimson genesis etc. >0.5 rem lemonheads nirvana etc. >1.5 elvis/sun >0.5 chuck berry, buddy holly, eddie cochran >0.5 lyrnryd skynrd, creedence, aerrosmith etc. >0.5 donna summer, rod steward, bee gees etc. >0.5 bawb >0.5 hendrix > >start throwing rocks now. > > >- - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos >- - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews >- - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop > >------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: Re: bawb?? Yes, I have heard of him, but not as "bawb". I might have figured it out if it was a 2.5 hour listing though! Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, matt sewell wrote: > > Rob > > Bawb is Lord God All-bloody-mighty, AKA Robert Zimmerman AKA Bob Dylan > > You may have heard of him! ;-) > > Matt > > >From: Rob Gronotte > >Reply-To: Rob Gronotte > >To: , dmw > >Subject: bawb?? > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:22:58 -0500 (EST) > > > >What the hell is bawb? > > > >Rob > > > >Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> > http://www.patriot.net/users/rob > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) > >From: dmw > >Subject: 50 years in 18 hours > > > >okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" > >might look like -- not necessarily what it *should* look like, but what > it > >might actually be, what sort of things might get shoehorned together, > and > >somewhat taking into good stories in terms of famous feuds, colorful > >deaths, etc. > >here's a guess, in hours: > > > > > >3 btls > >2 stones > >2 zep > >0.5 who > >0.5 bowie > >0.5 kinks > >0.5 pistols/clash > >0.5 pfloyd > >0.5 animals,troggs, zombies etc. > >0.5 deep purple black sab, etc. > >0.5 cream/clapton > >0.5 young/csny/byrds > >1 janis joplin/jefferson airplane/doors/etc. > >0.5 metallica g'n'r def leppard etc. > >0.5 yes rush king crimson genesis etc. > >0.5 rem lemonheads nirvana etc. > >1.5 elvis/sun > >0.5 chuck berry, buddy holly, eddie cochran > >0.5 lyrnryd skynrd, creedence, aerrosmith etc. > >0.5 donna summer, rod steward, bee gees etc. > >0.5 bawb > >0.5 hendrix > > > >start throwing rocks now. > > > > > >- - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr > pathos > >- - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews > >- - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop > > > >------------------------------ > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eclipse wrote: > blech, any 18 hour "history of rock" that spends 3 hours on the Beatles > and 2 on the Stones - almost 1/3 of the entire series - is one i'm not > watching. not to diminish these bands' contributions to the evolution > of rock n' roll, but it's not like they invented it! perhaps i'm just > feeling the oversaturation of Beatles-giddiness that seems to have > taken over VH1 and whatnot lately. well, i wouldn't watch it either. i may not have done as good a job of qualifying my rationale as i intended: this wasn't my what SHOULD be list, it was my what might be PROBABLE given a Ken Burns-y approach. i plead to a certain amount of US bias (no slade) being by design as well. my meta-point: "rock music" is too big and complex, and means too many different things to too many different people, for an 18 hour program to do more than take a necessarily superficial overview of major trends. it ain't gonna please all the people nohow. kinda like jazz. i have a feeling that even if all 18 hours devoted a minute apiece to a single individual, the phone would still be ringing and e-mails flying. "where the hell was ian dury?" "fuck ian dury, what about the chick from quarterflash?" - -- d., who can't believe he left the velvets off the rockthrow list. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:48:24 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: we'd rather be poisoners >From: hbrandt >Andrew: >> I guess it depends on your point of view. Would it be less pathetic if he >> were always gaming with a bunch of Comic Book Guys his own age? What >> should he be doing instead? > >I guess you're right. You gotta kill time somehow. I would probably opt >to read a book, though, rather than pretend that "my guy can beat your >guy" with a crystalline soul-gem or whatever. I would too at this point in my life. I'd been fascinated by those games since I was a kid by the time I got to college, but up till then I found it a bit of a letdown in just the terms you describe. In college I played with a bunch of my theater friends and it was an entirely different experience...more of a collaborative structured storytelling thing. I'm sure it looked just as dorky, but it sure was fun. I can't imagine having that sort of experience with a bunch of eleven-year-olds, though. > > I haven't been able to read _Cerebus_ since I read about Dave >Sim's encroaching >> misogyny > >Yes, it's another "Dave Sim The Evil Misogynist" post! I don't know the man or much about his work. I've just read that "female void" theory you refer to, and it went well beyond the metaphysical. You'd probably be right in finding it a snap judgement but that doesn't change the way I feel. Okay by me -- there are still plenty of excellent, excellent things happening in comics and I haven't read them all by a long shot. >That's probably why you didn't like it. The very first "phone book" was >simply a parody of Barry Windsor-Smith's "Conan The Barbarian" and was >crudely drawn. If you get into the next book, "High Society" (a >political tour-de-force as Cerebus becomes Prime Minister of the >fictional city-state of Iest) and the next two after that, "Church and >State" Vols. I + 2 (Cerebus becomes Pope and goes to the Moon), you'll >see how much the story and art has progressed (and that's only Book >Four. He's up to Book 14 now.) I've read a few individual issues of those phone books. They were better than the book I have, to be sure, but again, not something I would spend lots of money per book to investigate further. Why aren't there more "graphic novels" in libraries? >Seriously, don't fall for that Comics Journal/Gary Groth >"Sim hates Women" crap...it's beneath you. I'll take your word for it. >From: "J. Brown" > >And hal, why did you pick Cerebus as an example of "not just funny books". >Its ambitious but thats all. Why not Eddie Campbell, Joe Sacco, Chester >Brown, Jason Lutes, Chris Ware, or Dan Clowes. Ill take any of their work >over Sim's. I just read _Ghost World_ on Aimee Mann's "recommendation." Not sure yet how I feel about it, but I loved reading it. What a trip that there's now a thread on a Robyn Hitchcock fan list about how small-scale the hero is in the history of rock! I'd cheerfully support that view (I've got his records, so I'm happy), but it sure is funny. >Although Grant really hasnt done anything that fantastic since Flex >Mentallo. The Invisibles was fun but i dont do enouh drugs any more to >full comprehend it. Yeah, I hated the Invisibles, then I loved it, then I hated it again. Really disappointing by the end, I thought. At first I thought he actually had something in mind but by the end I knew he was just wanking (even if he wasn't). Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #36 *******************************