From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #35 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- i'm not going to keep doing this [dmw ] Re: 50 years in 18 hours [Eb ] Re: good eatin'/Jazz debacle [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history [Eb ] worst priorities, EVER ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] dissing aardvarks [dmw ] Re: Robyn's 'rocks-in-head' theory [Bayard ] Re: worst priorities, EVER [hbrandt ] Re: 50 years in 18 hours [Eclipse ] Re: dissing aardvarks [hbrandt ] Re: Robyn's 'rocks-in-head' theory [Eb ] Re: 50 years in 18 hours [Terrence Marks ] Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! [Ben ] Re: I can, like, SEE the music! And it looks like some bulbous-lipped Jon Stewart clone??? [Eb ] Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! [hbrandt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:52:24 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: i'm not going to keep doing this okay, no beach boys, they've got to get at least a half-hour, dontcha think? and i suspect it would be evenmore 60's/70's skewed than i made it. bottom line, i'd be surprised if xtc got a metnion, let alone mr. the hitchcock. shutting up now, - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:01:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours >here's a guess, in hours: > >3 btls >0.5 bawb > >start throwing rocks now. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:05:22 -0600 (CST) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: Re: good eatin'/Jazz debacle <> ^^^^^ ^^^^^ This struck me as somewhat redundant. Aren't we the only species with thumbs? Opposable thumbs, certainly...well, I guess the other primates have thumbs, but how are they meaningfully distinguishable from just really short medial fingers? That they have just one knuckle? - ---- I was tempted to join the fray about the Burns jazz documentary, but I was really exhausted from discussing it with everybody else; why bitch about the completely obvious? I suppose we all feel this was a wasted opportunity, most of all. My only real thematic complaint, taking the series on its own terms was: if he was going to make race the primary focus of _Jazz_, he only interpreted that to mean tensions coming into play concerning African-American musicians, white musicians, the struggles of integrations, and mainstream tastes. A big topic to be sure, but I was pretty dismayed that there was nothing about Afro-Cuban or Latin music (aside from an aside about Dizzy Gillespie) -- mambo was HUGE in the 50s (Machito, Tito Puente, Ricky Arnaz, for God's sake), and considering that Puente died just recently, it wouldn't've killed them to mention him. Their snippet of Louis Jordan makes me wish they didn't mention him at all, considering that they underplayed his contributions to music and made him look like a clown, which he wasn't. Entertainer, yes, buffoon, no. Marshall np John Zorn, _Locus Solus_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:07:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history Bayard: >Robyn's influence is...more widespread than you think. To name >two mid-level acts off the top of my head: "the old 97's" and "cake" both >have said "Robyn is God." And the Old 97's and Cake wouldn't earn a spot in a rock 'n' roll history documentary, either! Really, Robyn's only hope for a mention in such a series would be either as an example of Syd Barrett's lasting influence or as one of REM's many influences. Or paradoxically, as an example of the jangly college-pop which gained a following in the wake of REM's early impact. That's the breaks. Doesn't mean RH hasn't released a lot of fine albums. Now, if the documentary exclusively focused on the history of *alternative* rock, then he'd have an easier time finding an entry point. But even then, the program would need several hours to play with.... >I still remember one's of Eb's first posts Sentimental fool. ;) >I think the main point was what a pet peeve it was when >people misspelled Vic Chesnutt's last name. And it still is. >But he signed off "Ever >crusading for a majorly overlooked songwriter." That, I think, is how a >lot of us feel about Robyn. Maybe he doesn't deserve a place in any Rock >Hall of Fame, but I think a mention in an 18-hr Rock documentary is pretty >justified. I wouldn't insist Chesnutt be included, either. ;) Eb now ehhing: Nebula (gawd...how many times do we have to hear this same MC5-revisited thing?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:10:45 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: worst priorities, EVER >From: Eb >Speaking of Alice Cooper, I was talking with a friend the other night, and he >was surprised to learn that I liked some album (I forget which one). We >started brainstorming about artists we owned album(s) by who really don't fit >conceptually with the rest of our collections. I have a hard time deciding what fits and what doesn't. I have only a handful of "world music" CDs, but the Bulgarian Women's Choir has an in through the Trio Bulgarka and Kate Bush, and the rest are either pop in another language or linked to Dead Can Dance, Delirium, etc. The lone Ella Fitzgerald CD stands out as a token jazz album, but in my mind it's a bridge between the CDs of the musicals I've done and the Lauryn Hill album I never listen to. The connectedness of my CD collection is either a testament to my limited taste or the broadness of my musical concepts, or both. >From: hbrandt >Sounds like the guy that runs one of the lame shops here in town. He's >always gaming with a bunch of youngsters and it's really pathetic. I guess it depends on your point of view. Would it be less pathetic if he were always gaming with a bunch of Comic Book Guys his own age? What should he be doing instead? >For example, Dave Sim (and Gerhard) who create CEREBUS actually call >their 26-year, 300 issue, 6000 page, 16 part work-in-progress a "series >of phonebooks" because of the sheer size and thematic scope of their >unparalleled, experimental undertaking. It's either the most innovative, >amazing Novel you're likely (or not likely) to see in the Sequential Art >(or any) medium in your lifetime, or it's nothing but a funnybook about >an aardvark (depending on your prejudices). I haven't been able to read _Cerebus_ since I read about Dave Sim's encroaching misogyny, though honestly I didn't like it that much to begin with. Anyone who would like to trade me some bootlegs or something for my phone book (the very first one) is welcome to email me. Not saying an author's politics will blind me to his artistic achievement, but they do make me reluctant to spend lots of money on 6000 pages of it. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: dissing aardvarks On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I haven't been able to read _Cerebus_ since I read about Dave Sim's encroaching > misogyny, though honestly I didn't like it that much to begin with. Anyone > who would [...] > Not saying an author's politics will blind me to his artistic achievement, > but they do > make me reluctant to spend lots of money on 6000 pages of it. i had to quit _cerebus_ when i was no longer able to convince myself that it wasn't hate literature idrected at women, i.e., when i felt that the author's politics were negating (imNho) any artistic achievement. i think it was about where we learned that the universe was supposedly created by a male energy force raping a female void that i had to give up. ick. - -- d. np miranda sex garden _carnival of souls_ (speaking of things that don't go...) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Robyn's 'rocks-in-head' theory On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > And the Old 97's and Cake wouldn't earn a spot in a rock 'n' roll history > documentary, either! Really, Robyn's only hope for a mention in such a > series would be either as an example of Syd Barrett's lasting influence or > as one of REM's many influences. Or paradoxically, as an example of the > jangly college-pop which gained a following in the wake of REM's early > impact. > > Now, if the documentary exclusively focused on the history of *alternative* > rock, then he'd have an easier time finding an entry point. But even then, > the program would need several hours to play with.... Well I think that would be more interesting.... haven't there already been documentaries on "Rock n Roll: The Early Years"? > >I think the main point was what a pet peeve it was when > >people misspelled Vic Chesnutt's last name. > > And it still is. Oh I know it is, you ol' chest nut you! :-D I should have said "it is... misspell". > I wouldn't insist Chesnutt be included, either. ;) Welllll, insisting wouldn't do any good unless you were in charge of the project. If *I* were, I would definitely list RH in a litany of alternative acts, or better yet, as the link between Barrett and the REM era, as you remark above. But then, I would limit my documentary to the timeperiod I find interesting. What I envision is not a history lesson so much as a piece on little-known acts. Do we really need another three hours on the Beatles? =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:53:45 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER > >Sounds like the guy that runs one of the lame shops here in town. He's > >always gaming with a bunch of youngsters and it's really pathetic. Andrew: > I guess it depends on your point of view. Would it be less pathetic if he > were always gaming with a bunch of Comic Book Guys his own age? What > should he be doing instead? I guess you're right. You gotta kill time somehow. I would probably opt to read a book, though, rather than pretend that "my guy can beat your guy" with a crystalline soul-gem or whatever. > I haven't been able to read _Cerebus_ since I read about Dave Sim's encroaching > misogyny Yes, it's another "Dave Sim The Evil Misogynist" post! While I don't always agree with Sim's "Merged Permanance/Male Light/Female Void" theories, he is certainly *not* a misogynist. When I disagree, I just remember that "all stories are true". Sim does hate Hemingway, though, which has caused him more trouble than that infamous "Hate Literature Toward Woman" Issue #186 to which you refer. Sad that the critics have gotten it so wrong. > though honestly I didn't like it that much to begin with. Anyone > who would > like to trade me some bootlegs or something for my phone book (the very > first one) That's probably why you didn't like it. The very first "phone book" was simply a parody of Barry Windsor-Smith's "Conan The Barbarian" and was crudely drawn. If you get into the next book, "High Society" (a political tour-de-force as Cerebus becomes Prime Minister of the fictional city-state of Iest) and the next two after that, "Church and State" Vols. I + 2 (Cerebus becomes Pope and goes to the Moon), you'll see how much the story and art has progressed (and that's only Book Four. He's up to Book 14 now.) If you continue to follow along, it'll take you on a ride you won't soon forget and certainly shouldn't be able to dismiss. Seriously, don't fall for that Comics Journal/Gary Groth "Sim hates Women" crap...it's beneath you. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours > 3 btls > 2 stones blech, any 18 hour "history of rock" that spends 3 hours on the Beatles and 2 on the Stones - almost 1/3 of the entire series - is one i'm not watching. not to diminish these bands' contributions to the evolution of rock n' roll, but it's not like they invented it! perhaps i'm just feeling the oversaturation of Beatles-giddiness that seems to have taken over VH1 and whatnot lately. note that i do not offer better suggestions, however. :) Eclipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:08:50 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: dissing aardvarks dmw wrote: > i had to quit _cerebus_ when i was no longer able to convince myself that > it wasn't hate literature idrected at women, i.e., when i felt that the > author's politics were negating (imNho) any artistic achievement. > > i think it was about where we learned that the universe was supposedly > created by a male energy force raping a female void that i had to give up. > > ick. "Ick" to your interpretation ("raping"?!) "Dave Sim The Evil Misogynist"-post count is now up to 2. Guys like Norman Mailer and Politically Incorrect's Bill Maher are "misogynists" too, right? Ick. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:21:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Robyn's 'rocks-in-head' theory > What I envision is not a history lesson so > much as a piece on little-known acts. Well now, that's an entirely different concept, ain't it? E. Bro np: Love 1966-1972 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:28:32 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: 50 years in 18 hours On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eclipse wrote: > > 3 btls > > 2 stones > > blech, any 18 hour "history of rock" that spends 3 hours on the Beatles > and 2 on the Stones - almost 1/3 of the entire series - is one i'm not > watching. not to diminish these bands' contributions to the evolution > of rock n' roll, but it's not like they invented it! perhaps i'm just > feeling the oversaturation of Beatles-giddiness that seems to have > taken over VH1 and whatnot lately. > > note that i do not offer better suggestions, however. :) Half-hour each of Les Paul, Turtles/Hollies/etc, Stevie Wonder, Beach Boys, and/or Police/Tears for Fears/Supertramp/etc. I'd personally add in 30 minutes each for Elephant Six, The Incredible String Band, and/or lo-fi/indie rock. But definitely I'm not the sort of person who should organize that sort of documentary and would be liable to give Faine Jade as much time as The Rolling Stones. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:45:09 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! > > the prize of my collection is "X-Men At The State Fair Of Texas". > > Not worth the paper it's printed on, my friend! Worst...issue...ever! Damn it you're right... according to http://comicspriceguide.com its worth 25 dollars??? Well not a bad score for a 9 year old... unfortunately I never stuck around long enough to get into the likes of Sandman, Love and Rockets, and all the other hip comics. Well, if I ever run out of toilet paper... However I refuse to part with my iMickey Mouse and Goofey comic where they discover the wonders of nuclear energy courtesy of a fission symbol that comes to life! Horror at it's finest! > As for your subject header: Most "graphic novels" *are* glorified > pamphlets and not deserving of the term > Blame Tom Servo for that one. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:07:12 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Far out! I can, like, SEE the music! And it looks like "Temptation Island"??? > I see a lot of silent, trashy TV via > Closed Caption, because I crave something for my eyes to do while plowing > through CDs. Certainly this practice must have an influence on one's impression of the music especially for the first time? Though that could be a good thing. For example if you are read-watching "Dharma and Greg" and you actually start following the plot of the show rather than the music on the CD, it's a definite contender for the "ehh..." pile! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:54:02 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER I don't know for sure if Sim is misogynistic or not but i cant think of a single positive female character in any of his work. i do know one thing for sure though. Since issue 200 Sim has done something even worse, he's become maudlin, overwrought and boring. But then nothing in the book hasnt really interested me since Church and State. Not that i've ever bought and issue myself. Ive just read my old roomies phone books. Oh and Gary Groth is as big of an asshole as Sim but at least he can be funny. And hal, why did you pick Cerebus as an example of "not just funny books". Its ambitious but thats all. Why not Eddie Campbell, Joe Sacco, Chester Brown, Jason Lutes, Chris Ware, or Dan Clowes. Ill take any of their work over Sim's. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:57:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I can, like, SEE the music! And it looks like some bulbous-lipped Jon Stewart clone??? Ben: >> I see a lot of silent, trashy TV via >> Closed Caption, because I crave something for my eyes to do while plowing >> through CDs. > Certainly this practice must have an influence on one's impression of the music especially for the first time? Though that could be a good thing. For example if you are read-watching "Dharma and Greg" and you actually start following the plot of the show rather than the music on the CD, it's a definite contender for the "ehh..." pile! ;) - --- Ha. Sometimes, the juxtapositions are pretty amusing. Like, just the other night, I think I was read-watching silly, pandering "Ally McBeal" while listening to the icy, industrial-beat stylings of Holger Hiller. (Note: This tactic doesn't really work with lyric-focused albums -- it's too hard to parse lyrics *and* TV dialogue at the same time.) Now, it's "Ed" night...woo! Quick, where's some crappy, generic CD to play for the first and last time? Clutch's new album? Sounds about right! ;) Eb, currently researching Love for official reasons (Did you know that Neil Young was originally going to produce Forever Changes? And that the apparent lead vocal for "Alone Again Or" is actually the *harmony vocal*? Huh!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:00:09 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: this weeks silly thread/rock documentaries >>We started brainstorming about artists we owned album >>(s) by who really don't fit conceptually with the >>rest of our collections. The top candidates I came up >>with were: Alice Cooper (yup), the Guess Who, Richard >>Harris, Robert Johnson, Mahlathini & the Mahotella >>Queens, Oliver, Roy Orbison, Astor Piazzolla, Pop >>Will Eat Itself and Cat Stevens. Heh. What about you >>folks? erm...Glen Campbell? Gerry Rafferty? Deep Purple? Ron Goodwin? >okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" >might look like -- not necessarily what it *should* look like, but what it >might actually be, what sort of things might get shoehorned together, and >somewhat taking into good stories in terms of famous feuds, colorful >deaths, etc. >here's a guess, in hours: The BBC's "Dancing in the streets" was a damn good 10-hour rock documentary covering up to about 1994. No mention of Robyn, of course, but a good series with the following episodes: 1) Whole lotta shakin' (basically 50s R&B through to Buddy Holly's death) 2) Be my baby (60s girl groups, early 60s crooners, the start of the Britboom) 3) So you want to be a rock 'n' roll star (British invasion, the US response) 4) R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (Atlantic and Motown) 5) Crossroads (The blues revival) 6) Eight miles high (Psychedelia) 7) Hang on to yourself (Prog, Glam, Metal) 8) No fun (Punk, new wave, grunge) 9) Make it funky (Disco and funk) 10) Planet Rock (Rap, trance, house) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:46:18 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Robyn's place in rock history >> What was his highest charting song? Did he ever reach the top 10? The top >> 20? > > What has this to do with how good his music is, or even how influential he > is to other musicians? Nothing. But I would assume that a documentary about rock music would focus on artists that made some sort of impact. Unfortunately to this point I don't think Robyn's music has made much of an impact on anyone outside of his small but loyal fan base. > Robyn's > influence is less well known, but more widespread than you think. To name > two mid-level acts off the top of my head: "the old 97's" and "cake" both > have said "Robyn is God." Are they mid-level? They may be good bands with decent sized fan bases but I don't think I'd be out of line labeling both of them relatively insignificant acts historically. I'm sure there are many bands who count Robyn Hitchcock as an influence but until a few more of them rise to the level of REM you can't really say that any noteworthy segment of rock music grew as an offshoot of what Robyn Hitchcock did. > And what does session work have to do with anything? He's a songwriter, > not a hired gun. I was just rebutting a claim that he's a "musician's musician". I guess maybe my definition of this term may not be the same as yours...I'm assuming it means he's gained a greater respect among musicians for being a good musician himself than he has among the public. I didn't take songwriting into account, but I would still argue that the level of awareness and appreciation for his music is about the same among his peers as it is among the general public. I could be wrong here, though. >> All of this may change in 20 years time but as of this moment Robyn >> Hitchcock's importance in rock's history isn't even on par with that of >> Jimmy Buffett > > How do you figure? Buffett is better-known, sure, but mostly as a sort of > joke, outside his fan base (right?) Joke or not, Buffett has a much larger fan base and as such has made a larger blip on the music screen. > I still remember one's of Eb's first posts (at least, one of his first > posts as "Eb.") Yes, but who could forget all his earlier posts as "Wendy"... > he signed off "Ever > crusading for a majorly overlooked songwriter." That, I think, is how a > lot of us feel about Robyn. Maybe he doesn't deserve a place in any Rock > Hall of Fame, but I think a mention in an 18-hr Rock documentary is pretty > justified. Yeah, but that's 'cause you're crusading for a majorly overlooked songwriter. I think if you were on the production team you'd have to fight pretty had to get Robyn Hitchcock mentioned at all, because the fact is he HAS been overlooked. The one thing Robyn's got going for him is critical acclaim but even that has been inconsistant. Our resident professional in that department rates Hitchcock only a B+ artist and despite speculation that he joined this list just to tick everybody off I have a hunch he's actually a Robyn Hitchcock FAN. So I'm all for continuing the crusade but let's not delude ourselves into thinking he's made enough of an impact to warrant a mention in a documentary on the genre, 18 hours or not. Perhaps in 20 years, though...if we keep up the crusade. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:58:45 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER J. Brown wrote: > > It wasn't that long..! :) > > I don't know for sure if Sim is misogynistic or not but i cant think of a > single positive female character in any of his work. I can't think of a single positive male character (maybe Rick, but he's been pretty insane lately). Certainly not Cerebus. Astoria was manipulative, but she turned out alright. Oh, the Regency Elf was "positive"! Besides, these are characters. Who says they have to be "positive" to be Realistic? Certainly Jaka's portrayal is Realistic (see Book 5 "Jaka's Story"). > i do know one thing > for sure though. Since issue 200 Sim has done something even worse, he's > become maudlin, overwrought and boring. Exception and Consensus. Some like it, some don't. > But then nothing in the book > hasnt really interested me since Church and State. Not that i've ever > bought and issue myself. Ive just read my old roomies phone books. You probably liked Cerebus better when he was a Barbarian. *yawn* > > Oh and Gary Groth is as big of an asshole as Sim but at least he can be > funny. Sim can be as funny as hell. Did you read "Guys"? Hilarious. > > And hal, why did you pick Cerebus as an example of "not just funny books". It was just one example. Now that the overall structure of Cerebus has coalesced and become apparant, I find it fascinating. I've been pondering it a lot lately. > Its ambitious but thats all. It's also the most superbly rendered comic out there. And, yes, it's ambitious. > Why not Eddie Campbell I love Bacchus. (Campbell's one of the guys who loves Sim but hates his Hemingway stance, by the way...) And, his and Alan Moore's "From Hell" is awesome (and will soon be a movie starring Johnny Depp.) > Joe Sacco Palestine. Great stuff. > Chester > Brown Yummy Fur was (is) still one of my favorites. I even liked the Biblical adaptions in the back. Underwater was misguided. Louis Riel is coming along nicely. > Jason Lutes Berlin is beautiful. > Chris Ware The Acme Novelty Library has to be seen to be believed! Incredible. > or Dan Clowes. Eightball just keeps getting better and better. Remember the director Terry Zwigoff who made "Crumb"? His next film will be "Ghost World" based on the Clowes book of the same name (originally seen in 8Ball). You also could mention Julie Doucet, Jill Thompson, Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis (Preacher), Glenn Fabry, David Lapham. These people are my Rock Stars. > Ill take any of their work > over Sim's. That's what makes horse races. > > Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA > "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison Grant! There's another one! (Although he's currently sucking the Marvel teat, like Ennis...) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:09:45 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! Ben: > > > the prize of my collection is "X-Men At The State Fair Of Texas". Hal: > > > > Not worth the paper it's printed on, my friend! Worst...issue...ever! Ben: > > Damn it you're right... according to http://comicspriceguide.com its worth 25 dollars??? Well not a bad score for a 9 year old... Whoops! What do I know? I gave up X-Men and price guides a long time ago. Glad you got a $25 book. (Try finding a buyer, though...Well, maybe on eBay!) > unfortunately I never stuck around long enough to get into the likes of Sandman, Love and Rockets, and all They are both still in print and are both worth your time. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: worst priorities, EVER On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, hbrandt wrote: > J. Brown wrote: > > > But then nothing in the book > > hasnt really interested me since Church and State. Not that i've ever > > bought and issue myself. Ive just read my old roomies phone books. > > You probably liked Cerebus better when he was a Barbarian. *yawn* Actually i dont think i even finshed that one! > > > > Oh and Gary Groth is as big of an asshole as Sim but at least he can be > > funny. > > Sim can be as funny as hell. Did you read "Guys"? Hilarious. > > > > And hal, why did you pick Cerebus as an example of "not just funny books". > > It was just one example. Now that the overall structure of Cerebus has > coalesced and become apparant, I find it fascinating. I've been > pondering it a lot lately. > > > Its ambitious but thats all. > > It's also the most superbly rendered comic out there. And, yes, it's > ambitious. > > > Why not Eddie Campbell > > I love Bacchus. (Campbell's one of the guys who loves Sim but hates his > Hemingway stance, by the way...) And, his and Alan Moore's "From Hell" > is awesome (and will soon be a movie starring Johnny Depp.) not too mention the Alec Stories! > > or Dan Clowes. > > Eightball just keeps getting better and better. Remember the director > Terry Zwigoff who made "Crumb"? His next film will be "Ghost World" > based on the Clowes book of the same name (originally seen in 8Ball). Although i could do with out some of Clowes older "comedy" strips. > You also could mention Julie Doucet, Jill Thompson, Warren Ellis, Garth > Ennis (Preacher), Glenn Fabry, David Lapham. These people are my Rock > Stars. Fabry? why? pretty pictures but so what? > > Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA > > "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison > > Grant! There's another one! (Although he's currently sucking the Marvel > teat, like Ennis...) Although Grant really hasnt done anything that fantastic since Flex Mentallo. The Invisibles was fun but i dont do enouh drugs any more to full comprehend it. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #35 *******************************