From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #34 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 7 2001 Volume 10 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything [Bayard ] Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything [Eb ] Hello. [theodius ] Re: Jimmy Webb [grutness@surf4nix.com] pink moon or whatever [GSS ] Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! [hbrandt ] Re: That 70s guy ["Russ Reynolds" ] Robyn's place in rock history ["Russ Reynolds" ] YFF/M5 [Eb ] Re: Robyn's place in rock history [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history [Bayard ] Brenda.... [Paul Christian Glenn ] 50 years in 18 hours [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > >Has-been? > > Look at this way: It wouldn't be funny to include an AC cameo if he > *wasn't* identified so strongly with the '70s over any subsequent decade. That doesn't mean he's entirely irrelevant, though, does it? [1] I mean, the Beatles are strongly identified with the 60's, yet their influence is still felt today. I'm not saying Alice is on the same level as the Beatles, it's just an example. (and yes, the beatles are has-beens in a sense, that's not the point.) > That's how the show casts its guest stars. Would a Bowie or Springsteen > cameo be funny? Nope...doesn't fit. They were '70s stars, but they remain > too contemporary. I'm sure those guys are great guys, and great artists, but they're not all that funny, are they? Or at least, their humor would not fit as well with this show. Incidentally, good to see you watching such a goofyfun show, Eb! There's hope for you yet! (Oh, but you're a longtime "Ally" diehard, aren't you? I shouldn't have worried!) > Tanya Roberts -- woo! Campy nostalgia, all around! Millions of older TV > viewers will watch, and remember when AC's face makeup was sorta *scary*, > instead of sorta pathetic. ;) And younger viewers will accuse him of ripping off Marilyn Manson! :) On a side note: I saw "Traffic," it was good. Topher Grace plays much the same character he plays on you-know-what show, but in a much bleaker situation. =b [1] oh of course, he's an irrelevant has-been to YOU, we've established that, but you say the same thing about Robyn Hitchcock, so what do you know? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:46:37 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: OT: Trembling Blue Stars Oi, all. Should anyone care: Trembling Blue Stars (former Field Mice/Northern Picture Library) are playing in NYC at Brownies on St. Patty's day, March 17th. Tickets through www.futurepopshop.com. - -f. ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) If you are young and you drink a great deal it will spoil your health, slow your mind, make you fat - in other words, turn you into an adult. -PJ O'Rourke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:55:16 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Pink Floyd in tha house (fwd) > I forwarded this to a friend who is a big time Floyd expert, and here it > what he said. But did he mention that Seamus is their worst song EVER? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:20:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything > That doesn't mean he's entirely irrelevant, though, does it? > You're putting words in my mouth. > Incidentally, good to see you watching such a goofyfun show, > Eb! There's hope for you yet! Um, sorry...I don't watch, actually. I only see the trailers, for the most part. I've watched six or seven episodes, probably. I think the father is easily the best character. It's refreshing to see a family sitcom where the father is the *smartest* one, and not some hapless patsy. The kids are all fairly annoying and charmless, however. I have a hard time understanding the increasing Fonzie Syndrome, as applied to "Kelso." I do watch some "goofyfun" TV, though. I see a lot of silent, trashy TV via Closed Caption, because I crave something for my eyes to do while plowing through CDs. I certainly will happily watch "Buffy" tonight, for instance (though I couldn't bear to watch it when Angel was still in the cast). Speaking of Alice Cooper, I was talking with a friend the other night, and he was surprised to learn that I liked some album (I forget which one). We started brainstorming about artists we owned album(s) by who really don't fit conceptually with the rest of our collections. The top candidates I came up with were: Alice Cooper (yup), the Guess Who, Richard Harris, Robert Johnson, Mahlathini & the Mahotella Queens, Oliver, Roy Orbison, Astor Piazzolla, Pop Will Eat Itself and Cat Stevens. Heh. What about you folks? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything >We started brainstorming about artists we owned album >(s) by who really don't fit conceptually with the >rest of our collections. The top candidates I came up >with were: Alice Cooper (yup), the Guess Who, Richard >Harris, Robert Johnson, Mahlathini & the Mahotella >Queens, Oliver, Roy Orbison, Astor Piazzolla, Pop >Will Eat Itself and Cat Stevens. Heh. What about you >folks? Enya. (Stop it, all of you! I can see you rolling your eyes!) I'm not into New Age at all, but I can't help diggin' "Watermark" and "Shepherd Moons". :) == paul pcg@bootbox.net _____________________________________________________________ BootBox.Net - Home Of The Totally Free Internet Solution http://www.bootbox.net Get an @bootbox.net webmail account - http://webmail.bootbox.net Host Your Website For Free - http://webhosting.bootbox.net Put Your E-Commerce Business Online Virtually Free - http://bcommerce.bootbox.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:28:40 -0500 From: Ben Subject: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! I forgot to mention my last close encounter with a real life comic book guy was when I asked if I could sell any of the comics gathering dust in my closet. With a snicker he replied "no we only buy pre-war comics now...", and then returned to the role playing game he was playing with a bunch of 13 year old kids. No, this is not a joke... I have to admit the prize of my collection is "X-Men At The State Fair Of Texas". Yeah I just bought 'em for the pictures, not the content. > I guess if you've never grown up reading "funnybooks" and have never set > foot in a comic specialty shop and actually interacted with a Real Life > "Comic Book Guy", it wouldn't be nearly as funny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: not that i'm trying to change your mind or anything On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Eb wrote: > > That doesn't mean he's entirely irrelevant, though, does it? > > > You're putting words in my mouth. Sorry. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a has-been, though, does it? > > > Incidentally, good to see you watching such a goofyfun show, > > Eb! There's hope for you yet! > > Um, sorry...I don't watch, actually. I only see the trailers, for the most > part. Ah. Then I guess you don't know much about it, huh? :) =b PS - re. _Traffic_ : I forgot to mention - watch for a little dig a Ron & Nancy, at the very end. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:02:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RIP The Afghan Whigs. Eb, recently crossing both Firewater and the Whigs off his steadily dwindling list of favored major-label alternative acts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: theodius Subject: Hello. Hello all, New to the mailing list. Glad to be aboard, some of you may know me from the Yahoo R. Hitchock club, webring, or my site..currently co-designing um.com. Think, i'll just kick back and observe, before i jump into any discussions. Thanks for having me. theo ===== http://www.theos-place.com Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:32:45 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb >hi, > anyone ever seen jimmy webb? i know who he is, famous songwriter and >all, but how is his live >performance? > >thanks, >mike he appeared on a TV series called "Songwriters' circle" (BBC I think?) where he was with Chip Taylor and Nick Lowe, and he came out the best of the three - not that that's saying too much (I was really disappointed in Nick Lowe's performance). But compared to a couple of the other episodes in the series it was pretty poor. For some reason I want to compare him to Randy Newman, but I've no idea why. James (failing to successfully answer the question as usual) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:15:24 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: pink moon or whatever Hey splangies, Why I found it necessary to write this, I do not know, I might regret it later, but that happens all the time. Sometime you just gotta let these things out. Little demons, little angels, who the fuck knows. Anyway, as I was sitting in the control room at Collin County Community College this evening, I work here part-time as a lab manager, I saw a lady walk into the lab. She was at least 50, Hispanic, maybe Mexican, maybe Costa Rican, maybe Cuban who knows, very frail, withered hair, no make-up, old clothes, old shoes and an old dirty purse. I watched here sit at a workstation and try to login to the network for a few minutes and then went to assist her. It turns out she is not a student so she did not have an account. She is just someone who heard that this was a place she might be able get a little practice at the computer and enhance her job prospects. She told me she works at a local pizza place as a cook and dishwasher. I imagine that she has a few kids that are still dependants, maybe some that are in trouble with the law or even in prison, a young pregnant daughter whose boyfriend is long gone or maybe she is lives alone, no husband, no children and very few friends. She didn't tell me any of this but you can read a lot about a person just by watching. Anyway I created an account for her as I would for anyone, I don't care if they are students or not. I explained a few things about the network and showed her the basics on pulling up Office 2000 and Netscape and the GroupWise mail system. She has used a computer before, I could tell by watching. I walked back to the control room and watched as she opened word, did some typing and messed around a little on the web. After a couple hours she signed-off and started to walk out of the lab, but before she got to the door, she turned around and walked back to the control room and thanked me for helping her. I told her that she could come back anytime to use that account through next fall, when all the student accounts are deleted for the next full semester. I think it was her coming back to thank me that broke me again like little things like that have broken me so many times before. Most of us live our entire lives so damn caught up with our own problems that we seldom if ever think about how difficult so many others have it. We have our computers and our bikes and our guns and our guitars and our cars, our portable this and that or our new microwave ovens and our new lover or what the fuck ever. Why the hell do so few of us have so much and so many of THEM have so little? Are we just fucking lucky, or are we just fucked? Is it a test? Shit I hope not, cause if it is, it looks like we are going to fail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:17:51 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: It's not a comic book, it's a graphic novel!!!! Ben: > > I forgot to mention my last close encounter with a real life comic book > guy was when I asked if I could sell any of the comics gathering dust in > my closet. With a snicker he replied "no we only buy pre-war comics > now..." You can't blame him for saying that. The recent back issue market has virtually vanished except for those Golden Age books. Especially since: > the prize of my collection is "X-Men At The State Fair Of Texas". Not worth the paper it's printed on, my friend! Worst...issue...ever! > and then returned to the role playing game he was playing with a bunch > of 13 year old kids. No, this is not a joke... Sounds like the guy that runs one of the lame shops here in town. He's always gaming with a bunch of youngsters and it's really pathetic. Cringe inducing even. He runs the shop where the Columbine High killers bought their comics (there's an endorsement for you!) As for your subject header: Most "graphic novels" *are* glorified pamphlets and not deserving of the term (especially the Marvel/DC/Image superhero garbage). To dismiss the term altogether, however, would be a disservice to an amazing, unique artform that has the potential for endless possibilities that have yet to be explored. For example, Dave Sim (and Gerhard) who create CEREBUS actually call their 26-year, 300 issue, 6000 page, 16 part work-in-progress a "series of phonebooks" because of the sheer size and thematic scope of their unparalleled, experimental undertaking. It's either the most innovative, amazing Novel you're likely (or not likely) to see in the Sequential Art (or any) medium in your lifetime, or it's nothing but a funnybook about an aardvark (depending on your prejudices). /hal, who also thinks Robyn draws cool comix ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:31:37 -0600 From: steve Subject: Heh http://bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/ - - Steve __________ I'd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:53:59 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: That 70s guy Eb: > Did folks see what shticky, shock-rock has-been is lowering himself to > appear on "That '70s Show," this week? No, I'm not talking about Tony > Orlando! ;) Playing hmself? Probably, huh. I wonder why nobody considers how ridiculous it looks when a show that's supposed to take place in the 70s features someone who was a star in the 70s playing themselves in the 70s, except they're inexplicably very old. Shirley Jones, for instance. Maybe I'm just not gettin; the joke? Dumb show. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 22:25:29 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Robyn's place in rock history >>>Hitchcock or Neutral Milk Hotel and no one would really expect it to, right?> > >>i think it'd include robyn. the man's put out more than 20 albums in a >>quarter-century career. he's loved by critics and (especially) his peers. > > I've always considered Robyn's place in rock more along the lines of Wayne > Shorter or John Abercrombie (to name two) in jazz -- a musician's musician. Please, people...can we keep things in perspective? I think everyone on this list agrees Robyn Hitchcock is a terrific talent who deserves more attention than he's gotten over 20 years but the fact remains he's gotten very little attention. Ask 100 people (who aren't on this list) who Robyn Hitchcock is. 3 of 'em might say they thought "Lifeboat" was a great flick. The other 97 will probably answer "who?" What was his highest charting song? Did he ever reach the top 10? The top 20? By generally accepted standards our man is not even a one hit wonder. He's certainly not a "musician's musician"--nobody's banging on his door for him to do session work. And as for his influence on others, I don't think you can even compare it to that of the Velvet Underground, or else we wouldn't we reading pleas like this: >> Looking for quotes by other bands or artists, talking about how The Soft >> Boys influenced there music, or how they admire them. Preferably, well >> established bands and artists..send to (theodius65@yahoo.com or >> theo@theos-place.com) or responses like this: > i went digging through the articles i have and wasn't able to find any -- > although there are several references to artists citing the soft boys as > influences. for instance, in the 1985 bucketfull of brains interview, the > interviewer mentions a recent article where peter buck states that the soft > boys were an influence. however, no mention of which article that statement > appears in. can anybody dig up some concrete quotes which refer to the soft > boys? All of this may change in 20 years time but as of this moment Robyn Hitchcock's importance in rock's history isn't even on par with that of Jimmy Buffett, and I wouldn't expect Buffett to get a mention either. The only way Robyn Hitchcock shows up in an 18 hour documentary about Rock & Roll is in a Wynton Marsalas role if the director happens to think he's cool (rightfully so, of course). - -rUss, wondering if Robyn Hitchcock would even make the papers if he were ejected from a basketball game for using profanity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:46:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: YFF/M5 Heard a five-song sampler of the Young Fresh Fellows/Minus 5 albums, tonight...one of the tracks features Robyn doing his rambling monologue thing at the end, but you probably discussed this already and I just didn't pay attention. I liked both Minus 5 tracks, quite a bit. More lushly arranged and tightly written than I would've expected. The one on which Robyn cameos has sort of a friendly, nostalgic feel a la "(Just Like) Starting Over" -- the music doesn't sound like Robyn's style at all, however, so I doubt he did much/anything for the bulk of the song. The Young Fresh Fellows tracks seem thin and underproduced -- I hope I'm not disappointed with that album. Nice that they're back after all these years, in any case. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Robyn's place in rock history Russ Reynolds wrote: > -rUss, wondering if Robyn Hitchcock would even make the papers if he > were ejected from a basketball game for using profanity. only if Phil Jackson is a feg (can't think of any other NBA coach that might even be a slight possibility....certainly not Pat Riley). though Julia Sweeney supposedly is*. that's her little joke. i hated the "It's Pat" sketches though; at least, after the first one. *or rather i remember reading an article she wrote about using musical taste as a filter for plausible mates; she mentioned liking Robyn as a definite plus.** **i was at the dentists. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:40:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Robyn's 'rock-in-place' history > What was his highest charting song? Did he ever reach the top 10? The top > 20? What has this to do with how good his music is, or even how influential he is to other musicians? The music business promotes music based on how profitable it is, not how good it is. You know that better than I. > He's certainly not a "musician's musician"--nobody's banging on his door for > him to do session work. And as for his influence on others, I don't think > you can even compare it to that of the Velvet Underground, Isn't the Velvet Underground hugely influential to a lot of people? I've heard it said that half the people who heard the first album, started bands (a figurative estimate, to be sure, but it has a point.) Robyn's influence is less well known, but more widespread than you think. To name two mid-level acts off the top of my head: "the old 97's" and "cake" both have said "Robyn is God." And what does session work have to do with anything? He's a songwriter, not a hired gun. > All of this may change in 20 years time but as of this moment Robyn > Hitchcock's importance in rock's history isn't even on par with that of > Jimmy Buffett How do you figure? Buffett is better-known, sure, but mostly as a sort of joke, outside his fan base (right?) > only way Robyn Hitchcock shows up in an 18 hour documentary about Rock & > Roll is in a Wynton Marsalas role if the director happens to think he's cool > (rightfully so, of course). Of course. I still remember one's of Eb's first posts (at least, one of his first posts as "Eb.") I think the main point was what a pet peeve it was when people misspelled Vic Chesnutt's last name. But he signed off "Ever crusading for a majorly overlooked songwriter." That, I think, is how a lot of us feel about Robyn. Maybe he doesn't deserve a place in any Rock Hall of Fame, but I think a mention in an 18-hr Rock documentary is pretty justified. But that's just me, right? =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:23:30 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Brenda.... Does anyone know where I might get my hands on a copy of "Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes"? I've been searchin' high and low with no luck. Thanx in advance, == paul pcg@bootbox.net _____________________________________________________________ BootBox.Net - Home Of The Totally Free Internet Solution http://www.bootbox.net Get an @bootbox.net webmail account - http://webmail.bootbox.net Host Your Website For Free - http://webhosting.bootbox.net Put Your E-Commerce Business Online Virtually Free - http://bcommerce.bootbox.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: 50 years in 18 hours okay, so i started hypothesizing about what an 18 hour "history of rock" might look like -- not necessarily what it *should* look like, but what it might actually be, what sort of things might get shoehorned together, and somewhat taking into good stories in terms of famous feuds, colorful deaths, etc. here's a guess, in hours: 3 btls 2 stones 2 zep 0.5 who 0.5 bowie 0.5 kinks 0.5 pistols/clash 0.5 pfloyd 0.5 animals,troggs, zombies etc. 0.5 deep purple black sab, etc. 0.5 cream/clapton 0.5 young/csny/byrds 1 janis joplin/jefferson airplane/doors/etc. 0.5 metallica g'n'r def leppard etc. 0.5 yes rush king crimson genesis etc. 0.5 rem lemonheads nirvana etc. 1.5 elvis/sun 0.5 chuck berry, buddy holly, eddie cochran 0.5 lyrnryd skynrd, creedence, aerrosmith etc. 0.5 donna summer, rod steward, bee gees etc. 0.5 bawb 0.5 hendrix start throwing rocks now. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #34 *******************************