From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #33 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 033 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: XFL [recount chocula ] Pink Floyd dispute in our house [lj lindhurst ] Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house [Terrence Marks ] Re: Worst... Episode... EVER [Ben ] Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house [Glen Uber ] Re: Robyn interview in Listener magazine? ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] Re: Worst... Episode... EVER [Eb ] Re: Worst... Episode... EVER [Tom Clark ] Re: Worst... Episode... EVER [hbrandt ] Re: Worst... Episode... EVER [hbrandt ] rs.com [hbrandt ] Re: rs.com ["JH3" ] Re: rs.com [hbrandt ] Incidentally.... [Eb ] Re: nd [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Blackberries, Condems and David Mamet ["J. Brown" ] Re: XFL ["Russ Reynolds" ] [none] [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Incidentally.... ["brian nupp" ] soft boys quotes [recount chocula ] way off topic ["mike hooker" ] Re: way off topic [hbrandt ] Soft Boys in BC [recount chocula ] Pink Floyd in tha house (fwd) [Bayard ] Re: Soft Boys in BC [recount chocula ] re: Incidentally [Eb ] Re: soft boys in vancouver [recount chocula ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:49:35 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: XFL when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >Actually, I'm really intrigued how they've tinkered with the established >format for televising a football game. They're working very hard to develop >a "You are there on the sideline" ambience, and that's something which is >notably missing from the NFL games. that was the most irritating aspect of it for me. i don't want to listen in on the huddle, hear the players talking during and after each play, have interviews with the players be broadcast over the stadium pa system, and so forth. i usually mute the tv so i can just watch a game without having to listen to the idiot commentary, nevermind the rest of these stupid interruptions. grrr. >I have a feeling the NFL may steal back a few of the XFL's innovations -- sure hope not. >just like a few years ago, when Fox won >NFL broadcast rights and added the omnipresent "scoreboard bug" to the >picture, and all the other networks quickly copycatted this. the "fox box". that's an innovation...or at least useful. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:56:56 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Pink Floyd dispute in our house We're trying to figure this one out: Wasn't the PF song "Seamus" (off "Meddle") written for the soundtrack to a movie? Or did I dream this? lj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, lj lindhurst wrote: > We're trying to figure this one out: Wasn't the PF song "Seamus" > (off "Meddle") written for the soundtrack to a movie? Or did I dream > this? I've never seen any evidence of that, but it _was_ used in the opening of Rosencrantz & Gildenstern Are Dead. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:13:18 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house lj wrote: > > We're trying to figure this one out: Wasn't the PF song "Seamus" > (off "Meddle") written for the soundtrack to a movie? Or did I dream > this? Pink Floyd wrote three songs for the soundtrack of the Michelangelo Antonioni film "Zabriskie Point", but "Seamus" was not one of them. Is that the film you were thinking of? The PF songs, by the way, were "Heart Beat, Pig Meat", "Crumbling Land" and "Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up". /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:17:53 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Worst... Episode... EVER Of course I thought it was funny, I was just copying the Comic Book Guys line. I ask if they read this list becasue I have could have sworn I have read the "worst episode EVER" line here a few times in relation to The Simpsons (most recently the Prisoner episode). Maybe it was meant as a joke too... ;) But I think since many of us have replaced our love of comic books with rock music, how about some new characters - "Rock-Critic Guy" (catch phrase "sigh...."), "Dorky Rock Fan Guy" (catch phrase "7/20/84 is the best version of that song..."), "Middle Age Crisis Guitar Guy" (catch phrase "My main axe is a 1957 Gibson SG Special with suburst finish, pearl inlay, chrome hardware, and dual-humbuckers, serial number LS 10597. I acquired it in a merger with Intelicom Ltd."), and so on.... > > I guess if you've never grown up reading "funnybooks" and have never set > foot in a comic specialty shop and actually interacted with a Real Life > "Comic Book Guy", it wouldn't be nearly as funny. I thought it was a > good episode (except for the Ned Flanders/Radioactive Ape gag). > Certainly not the Worst. Ever. > The Comic Book Guy is my *favorite* peripheral character (way funnier > than Apu, for instance) and anyone who has ever rolled their eyes at a > "Death of..." issue (Death of Captain Marvel, Death of Superman, et.al.) > had to crack up at the "Death of Sad Sack" comic. > > /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Terrence Marks wrote: >On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, lj lindhurst wrote: > >> We're trying to figure this one out: Wasn't the PF song "Seamus" >> (off "Meddle") written for the soundtrack to a movie? Or did I dream >> this? > >I've never seen any evidence of that, but it _was_ used in the opening of >Rosencrantz & Gildenstern Are Dead. Pink Floyd's own _Live at Pompeii_ featured an in-studio performance of "Seamus." Cheers! - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ) Glen Uber ) uberg (at) sonic dot net ) Santa Rosa, California )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:29:03 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: Robyn interview in Listener magazine? kind of sounds like the Tape Op interview. are the two magazines somehow affiliated, or is this a whole different animal? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Hopstetter To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Robyn interview in Listener magazine? > I just subscribed to the magazine _Listener_ (a stereo and music review > magazine) and I noticed that one of their back issues (Nov/Dec 2000) > includes an interview with Robyn. I just ordered a copy of that issue, but > I'm wondering if anyone has bothered to transcribe the interview yet. > > _Listener_ always interviews musicians with an ear toward recording, > instrumentation, and so on, so it looks to be a pretty good interview if > you're a gearhead. > > Robyn is mentioned a couple times in their most recent issue, and several of > their reviewers use the latest XTC recordings to review new components, so > that makes it a cool rag in my book. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:46 -0800 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: rs.com can anybody figure out what this article has to do with robyn? (aside from the enigmatic picture....) . - ----- Original Message ----- From: recount chocula To: uddermaniax! Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: rs.com > so, i've been working on sorting and saving and archiving all the articles > and reviews posted to feg over the years (yea verily! could it be an update > to the fegsite's article archive? per'haps...) and noticed that the rolling > stone website's section on robyn http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/default.asp?oid=238 > has some > interesting things: a collection of mabd (i think) photos i don't remember > seeing before and a skeleton for a robynbase-alike. interesting.... > > woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:51:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Worst... Episode... EVER >Of course I thought it was funny, I was just copying the Comic Book Guys >line. I >ask if they read this list becasue I have could have sworn I have read the >"worst >episode EVER" line here a few times in relation to The Simpsons (most >recently the >Prisoner episode). Maybe it was meant as a joke too... ;) I think you missed the allusion. Comic Book Guy originally said "Worst episode EVER" in that long-ago Simpsons episode where Homer became the voice of "Poochie" (sp?), a new character on "Itchy & Scratchy." CBG proclaimed the "Itchy" episode the worst one ever, and added this funny, quotable line about rushing to the Internet to register his discontent. Bart countered with asking what "Itchy & Scratchy" really owed him, after giving him all that entertainment for free. CBG brusquely repeated, "Worst episode EVER." A really great scene, taking a jab at the show's numerous Internet kibbitzers. Incidentally, this week's episode even had an allusion to Poochie -- during the scene where Bart and Milhous were "spreeing" in the QuikiMart (sp?), there was a display of Poochie products in the background. I like the Comic Book Guy character a lot too, but thought the episode was just OK (which makes it better than some of the OTHER disastrous episodes, this season). Actually, I wish the writers had focused the story on the bootleg video vault -- that was a really fertile premise, and they didn't exploit it nearly as much as they should have. Just imagine what *other* videos were in that vault! :) Eb, who stopped reading comic books when he was seven or eight ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:52:23 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Worst... Episode... EVER on 2/5/01 1:17 PM, Ben at bpnicast@bulldog.unca.edu wrote: > Of course I thought it was funny, I was just copying the Comic Book Guys line. That was also the title of the episode. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:13:03 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Worst... Episode... EVER Ben wrote: > > Of course I thought it was funny, I was just copying the Comic Book Guys line Oh, OK...The subject line should be read in Comic Book Guy's voice!! > > But I think since many of us have replaced our love of comic books with rock music Just the opposite for me. The feeling I *used* to get from "Rock", I get a lot more from Sequential Art lately (no, not superhero books). Some of it is even better than going to the movies! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:15:07 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: Worst... Episode... EVER > Eb, who stopped reading comic books when he was seven or eight Then, you have *no* idea what you're missing! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:24:44 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: rs.com Motherfucking Asshole wrote: > > can anybody figure out what this article has to do with robyn? (aside from > the enigmatic picture....) > > . Other than the record's called "K" and Robyn had a single released on "K" Records?? Or, it's just a glaring mistake. I'm betting the latter. The article does have a comic reference, though! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:23:55 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: rs.com >can anybody figure out what this article has to do with robyn? >(aside from the enigmatic picture....) >. If you spelled "Hitchcock" backwards, it would begin with a "K", right? So I tried it, and sure enough, if you play Kula Shaker's "K" album backwards, you'll hear Robyn's entire "Globe of Frogs" LP (performed sideways). You can also rearrange the letters in "Kula Shaker" to spell "AK! (hurl sake)", which is what you would say and do if you were reading a recent issue of Rolling Stone while trying to drink a Japanese beverage. John H. Hedges III, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:39:43 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: rs.com Speaking of Rolling Stone...great cover on the latest issue. Another Big Beat Performance by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo! Yeah! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:16:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Incidentally.... Did folks see what shticky, shock-rock has-been is lowering himself to appear on "That '70s Show," this week? No, I'm not talking about Tony Orlando! ;) Eb Proggies are the *funniest* peoples: "At the risk of sounding like the typical prog snob, I think it only goes to show that the majority of musical listeners cannot comprehend anything outside the pop genre. One, for a lack of artistic appreciation, and two, that the uninitiated feel it obligatory to attack what they cannot understand. I think it great that I, as you yourself, are among the esoteric in being open minded and appreciative of the greater musics. "If Banco and the ilk were socially accepted among the masses than it inevitablly becomes trite and without depth, just like pop music as a whole. Not that a small percentage of pop isn't worth while, but in the greater scheme of superficial compositions, it's nothing to get overly zealous about. Imagine, if you will, a newsgroup devoted to Britney Spears that tackled even one iota of the cerebral content that this newsgroup touched on. I can say that it would be unilaterally based on any given animadversional subject. I fall asleep just contemplating it. "I do not pride myself in my own knowledge of music, but I do write of inate and of subjectionally conditioned experiences what I do know is far superior in musical content. Without an already existant musically mundane mass, there would be no empyreal topic to relate to (i.e. without a heaven there can be no hell). Lets relish in what WE DO share....a taste beyond the norm!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:23:56 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: nd >On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Capuchin wrote: > >> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Tom Clark wrote: >> > n.d. - Income taxes. This year it's going to hurt. >> >> I'm a little confused. >> >> Of COURSE it's going to hurt, you're not supposed to DRINK them! >> >> n.d. - water... or writing email. I don't know which. > > >I was under the impression that the 'd' in n.d. was for "dreading," not >"doing." Am I right, Tom? Am I right? What do I win? naibol'shie darovanie - greatest talent. Tom's greatest talents are doing income tax and making white Russians. Cap's greatest talent is writing email. Not sure about the water - perhaps he's suggesting that his greatest talent is taking the piss. Who can tell? Or perhaps it's just some reference to the city of Bismarck... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Blackberries, Condems and David Mamet On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Irish Airman wrote: > Friends whose taste Im not sure about have recommeded State and Main. So I > figured Id ask some other people whose taste Im not sure about. Anyone seen > it? Is it any good? Is it Vermonty(shameful fetish #18:Vermont.) I thought it was freaking awful. Ive heard it compared to the play Noises Off, whiich i find highly annoying. All the jokes were really forced and painful. It is pretty Vermonty i guess though. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "I don't speak fascist." -Grant Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:21:25 -0900 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: Incidentally.... on 2/5/01 1:16 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Did folks see what shticky, shock-rock has-been is lowering himself to > appear on "That '70s Show," this week? No, I'm not talking about Tony > Orlando! ;) Has-been? "There's nothing about Alice Cooper that should make you think "old folks." It's not about that. It's about the fun of life." -John Lydon Anyways, I'm sure Eb will be tuning in to see that attractive boa that Alice is sporting. Snakes and dead babies... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:55:09 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: XFL Eb: > I have a feeling the NFL may steal back > a few of the XFL's innovations -- I don't know what they'd be. All that camera & microphone on the sideline stuff has been around for years, really. OJ Simpson used to do that job. Come to think of it, I wouldn't put it past the XFL to hire him to do it again. They're just taking everything to annoying extremes (camera guy on the field? He'd better have a good medical plan if he's going to try that in the NFL). I really didn't see anything groundbreaking in the presentation. The only thing that intrigued me was the opening scramble, which would have been much more interesting if the players ran towards the ball from opposite ends of the field. > just like a few years ago, when Fox won > NFL broadcast rights and added the omnipresent "scoreboard bug" to the > picture, and all the other networks quickly copycatted this. That was a great idea. Was there anything you saw in the XFL-cast that struck you as a great idea? tc: > I can't wait for > the day I can choose my own shots of the game using my remote. See, now THAT'S a great idea. - -rUss nd: a basketball ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:19:44 -0500 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: [none] Whilst feeding the fish, it was heard to be uttered: >Hitchcock or Neutral Milk Hotel and no one would really expect it to, right?> >i think it'd include robyn. the man's put out more than 20 albums in a >quarter-century career. he's loved by critics and (especially) his peers. I've always considered Robyn's place in rock more along the lines of Wayne Shorter or John Abercrombie (to name two) in jazz -- a musician's musician. Like Wayne or Abercrombie, Robyn is technically marvelous, highly creative, and very influential within a certain sphere. If you're into that kind of thing, you know him, nay, hold him in some sort of slack-jawed awe. If not, he's just some tall British guy who sings about fish and bugs if you've heard of him at all. But Burns didn't touch any of that ilk. I bet they'd play Balloon Man under any mention of Robyn and be done with it. np: Nguyen Le, 3 Trios ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:25:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Pink Floyd dispute in our house It's still fairly unusual to hear Floyd background music to any TV show, so I was surprised that last night's Channel 4 documentary on Erich von Daniken featured both 'Interstellar Overdrive' and 'Pow R Toc H'. More predictably, it included a snatch of 'Space Oddity' by David Bowie, and oddest of all, Erich von Daniken himself playing 'Gonna Take a Sentimental Journey' on the harmonica. One for all you mouth-organ players to add to your repertoire! - - MRG n.p. Purple Haze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:29:54 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Incidentally.... >From: Eb <>Did folks see what shticky, shock-rock has-been is lowering >himself to >appear on "That '70s Show," this week? No, I'm not talking about Tony >Orlando! ;) > >Eb Do you *really* think he's lowering himself? Bn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:47:08 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: soft boys quotes theo (underwatermoonlight.com webguru) posted this on the yahoo club a few days ago: > Looking for quotes by other bands or artists, talking about how The Soft > Boys influenced there music, or how they admire them. Preferably, well > established bands and artists..send to (theodius65@yahoo.com or > theo@theos-place.com) i went digging through the articles i have and wasn't able to find any -- although there are several references to artists citing the soft boys as influences. for instance, in the 1985 bucketfull of brains interview, the interviewer mentions a recent article where peter buck states that the soft boys were an influence. however, no mention of which article that statement appears in. can anybody dig up some concrete quotes which refer to the soft boys? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:34:47 -0500 From: "mike hooker" Subject: way off topic hi, anyone ever seen jimmy webb? i know who he is, famous songwriter and all, but how is his live performance? thanks, mike take at look at my music trading list http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage NEW E MAIL ADDRESS!!!!! MHOOKER@OPTONLINE.NET DISREGARD ALL PREVIOUS E MAIL ADDRESSES. THANKS! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:48:21 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: way off topic mike hooker wrote: > anyone ever seen jimmy webb? i know who he is, famous songwriter and > all, but how is his live > performance? The only live performance I've heard by Jimmy Webb was on the Steve Dahl radio show in Chicago. Dahl was a major fan of Webb's and used to make him run through all the songs he'd written while Steve gushed praises. Webb seemed to be pretty low key, but those songs sounded great in the songwriter's voice (as opposed to say Glen Campbell). This was years ago (15 or more) so things could've changed for the worse... /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 13:29:08 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Soft Boys in BC when we last left our heroes, Cynthia Peterson exclaimed: >Anyone have any guesses on what the Vancouver BC venue might be?? while updating the fegsite with venue and ticket links, i realized that lee's place, which rh.com is listing as the vancouver venue, is actually in toronto. oops. (this makes me wonder if the horseshoe, which *is* in toronto, will be the toronto venue after all). i'll point that out to david and see if he can get a corrected locale. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Pink Floyd in tha house (fwd) I forwarded this to a friend who is a big time Floyd expert, and here it what he said. _____ The answer to the question is both yes and no. The song "Seamus" was re-done with some pretty modest changes and re-titled "Mademoiselle Knobs" for the film Pompeii. Pink Floyd: Live At Pompeii was filmed in 1972. It's original theatrical release was 60 min long. However, when it appeared on VHS and LD, some additional footage was added to bring the total running time up to ~80 min. This film was to be the next Pink Floyd DVD release (following The Wall). However, when the nice Digital Mastering team went looking for the absolute masters, they found a BUNCH of outtakes... but the masterial that actually made it to the final print is missing!! The picky bastards that the Floyd are, they decided to just discontinue the DVD release. So..... that means that the only digital copies to ever exist will be the LD release.. There's another silly thing about that film - the music and the film aren't quite in synch. They're one half beat off. So, it's damn annoying for most of the musicians out there. If you look around on ebay, you'll find that there is a VCD release of Pompeii. However, this is just a Japanese bootleg of the LD release. VCD has really bad picture quality.. So, don't bother with it. The artwork for a DVD release was completed. (and published in a book) Digital copies of the film do exist. The software needed to properly synch up the audio and video portions of the film does exist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 13:48:52 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: Soft Boys in BC when we last left our heroes, recount chocula exclaimed: >(this makes me wonder if the horseshoe, which *is* in >toronto, will be the toronto venue after all). actually, it doesn't make me wonder since ticketmaster.ca is listing the soft boys there. duh. +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:32:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Incidentally >Has-been? Look at this way: It wouldn't be funny to include an AC cameo if he *wasn't* identified so strongly with the '70s over any subsequent decade. That's how the show casts its guest stars. Would a Bowie or Springsteen cameo be funny? Nope...doesn't fit. They were '70s stars, but they remain too contemporary. So yes, AC will be acting alongside the similarly cast Tanya Roberts -- woo! Campy nostalgia, all around! Millions of older TV viewers will watch, and remember when AC's face makeup was sorta *scary*, instead of sorta pathetic. ;) (I guess Gene Simmons edged out poor AC for the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" gig. ;)) Eb now still not liking: Red House Painters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:10:27 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: soft boys in vancouver >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:03:57 -0500 (EST) >From: duplanet@global2000.net >To: recount chocula >Subject: Re: soft boys in vancouver > >Woj, > >Thanks for spotting that - I checked with the booking agent and they indeed >had made a mistake in the list they gave me. Correct info for Vancouver is >Richard's on Richards. > >Best wishes, > >DAvid ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #33 *******************************