From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #28 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 1 2001 Volume 10 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Big Booth Too ["Rob" ] RE: Soft Boys in SF [Cynthia Peterson ] Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto ["Yudt.Matthew" ] RE: Soft Boys in SF [Capuchin ] it sure ain't the apes ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Big Booth again ["Rob" ] Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto [Capuchin ] Never mind the Soft Boys... [Eb ] totally fucking stupid beatles question ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: WMSE needs your help! [hbrandt ] RE: Sonic Book/SB Toronto ["Brian Huddell" ] It's 7 o'clock and I wannna rock [Glen Uber ] Re: whifty? [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: US Politics/Commercials thread [grutness@surf4nix.com] SB MP3s ["Brian Huddell" ] oh...my...god [Eb ] Re: You're going to reap just what you sow ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto ["Sean Palmerston" ] RE: oh...my...god ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: totally fucking stupid beatles question [Jeff Dwarf ] In 2001, Louis Armstrong was still dead. And Duke Ellington hadn't played a gig in years. ["Jason R. Thornton" <] Soft boys in Baltimore? [LDudich@ase.org] Politics, schmolitics ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:49:08 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Big Booth Too I believe that the Big Booth Too on Radio 4 tomorrow (Thursday) night is the one with Robyn on. If Robyn's contribution was somehow made available (as an mp3, for example) is there anyone out there able to host it? - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:53:11 -0800 From: Cynthia Peterson Subject: RE: Soft Boys in SF Well, consider how tiny the Crocodile is, in comparison with GAMH even. The Pine Street in Portland (prev. La Luna) is also smaller than GAMH. So event magnitude may not be the best predictor of venue... Anyone have any guesses on what the Vancouver BC venue might be?? Cynthia p.s. Advance tickets for the Portland show can now be purchased at www.fastixx.com. - -----Original Message----- I would think that GAMH is a bit too small for a show of this magnitude. I was thinking that it might be at the Fillmore. How big is Maritime Hall? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:35:06 -0500 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto Eddie mused: > dangerous > than the Reagan administration ever was. It will be just as (if not > more) > right wing> > > probably true. but will it be more right-wing than the clinton > administration > was, or a gore administration would have been? highly doubtful. > ??? Please. I understand you and I are FAR apart on the political spectrum, but I think this is going too far. How about the immediate re-enactment of Reagan's ban on oversees abortion talk. Here's an even better one: Bush just put a government wide hiring-freeze into effect. Now he can say he has reduced the growth of the federal government. Of course all it does it force all the agencies to spend there money on other things...(bombs, leather furniture, new keyboards with W's). I won't mention the funding of religious organizations... Cheers! Disclaimer: these are personal opinions and remarks. Ignore the '.gov' in my addy. It will be gone as soon as possible... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Soft Boys in SF On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Cynthia Peterson wrote: > Well, consider how tiny the Crocodile is, in comparison with GAMH > even. The Pine Street in Portland (prev. La Luna) is also smaller than > GAMH. So event magnitude may not be the best predictor of venue... Yeah, but compare Portland's concert-going crowd to San Francisco's. The reason I think GAMH is out is the noise restrictions that sometimes plague that place and the lack of dancing/rotating/levitating room. I think the Portland show is at the Pine Street (which was the Pine Street Theater LONG before it was La Luna or anything else... except the Pine Street Mission Church) and not the Aladdin because the Soft Boys don't need seats... (that and a likely booking conlict). Anyway, it's good to see ANYONE at the Pine Street... they had their "closing for good" show on New Year's Eve last year. Phew. > p.s. Advance tickets for the Portland show can now be purchased at > www.fastixx.com. Or all Fred Meyer stores (except 6th and Alder)... (Ok, the 6th and Alder store has been closed for about fifteen years, but I always loved that) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:46:44 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: it sure ain't the apes >From: Glen Uber > >I think it was the next tour (1993) when they did some funky-assed version >of "Child of the Universe." I haven't liked the song since. It was the one >blemish on an otherwise perfect show. I've always hated that song. I can't imagine it getting any worse. Drop that off _Perspex Island_ and I suddenly like the album a lot better; I'm much happier now that I have it on CD. >From: Asshole Motherfucker > >i was thinking the other day that the greatest rock and/or roll >song of all time has got to be Sympathy For The Devil. anyone care >to disagree? Yes, but I can't imagine how I would go about coherently arguing my rebuttal. What are your criteria? >From: Glen Uber > >I would think that GAMH is a bit too small for a show of this magnitude. I >was thinking that it might be at the Fillmore. How big is Maritime Hall? Smaller than the Fillmore, bigger than GAMH. Might work. But is this show really "bigger" than Robyn solo? I mean, to us it is, but... Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:49:18 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Big Booth again Bayard and Aaron have both offered to make an mp3 generally available. I checked in the feg-archives to see what Robyn actually did in the show. A few lines and the song uncorrected personality traits was how it was described in a post forwarded by woj. If Robyn's lines are any good, I'll see what can be done at a low bitrate. Otherwise just the song, tho' I can't imagine many people actually wanting it. I might see if I can do anything with Mr Graffoe's own songs. I missed recording a very good one last week, but did manage his second. A lot of his stuff is Robynesque (is that a word?), so a number of you might like him. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto Ed sed: > probably true. but will it be more right-wing than the clinton > administration was, or a gore administration would have been? highly > doubtful. On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Yudt.Matthew wrote: > ??? Please. I understand you and I are FAR apart on the political > spectrum, but I think this is going too far. How about the immediate > re-enactment of Reagan's ban on oversees abortion talk. How about the almost total annihilation of abortion availability during the Clinton years and that administration's complete inability to take action on the subject? Or worse yet, how about the explosive growth of the "war on drugs", the invention of a threat of "terrorism" from inside the country (classic right-wing tactic... security at all costs!), and the wholesale giveaway of public resources to the largest corporations in the world? > Here's an even better one: Bush just put a government wide > hiring-freeze into effect. Now he can say he has reduced the growth > of the federal government. Of course all it does it force all the > agencies to spend there money on other things...(bombs, leather > furniture, new keyboards with W's). (benefits for the poor, art, text books, road improvements...) Are you saying you're opposed to government spending that ISN'T hiring people? If it is, as you say, that agencies have to spend their budgets on something else when they can't hire people, why WOULDN'T they spend it on public improvement? Are you saying that you don't trust those in charge of the purse strings to spend their money in an unselfish, publically benificial way? Then would that mean you're IN FAVOR of decreasing government spending as a whole? It's a bogus argument, sir. > I won't mention the funding of religious organizations... Neither will they. Clinton was, for a time, endorsing a bill that would have made it legal to spend government money on religious art for public areas. The bill eventually fell apart, but this is probably wider-reaching than a prayer-in-school bill could be. And besides, prayer in school and abortion and such are just red herrings. It's just something that the rich folks can worry about while everyone else gets fucked. Vote for Gore because if you don't, we might lose the right to terminate pregnancies! Forget the fact that Gore's going to terminate hundreds of thousands of lives and keep millions in needless poverty with his foreign policies just like Bush... J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:57:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Never mind the Soft Boys... ...now HERE is an important upcoming event! http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=switch/from=sr-127876/target=buyweb_purchase/itemid=1329187 Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:45:21 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: totally fucking stupid beatles question I'm really used to _Rubber Soul_ starting with "Norwegian Wood," which I gather is the US running order. Now I have the "British" version, which starts with "Drive My Car." I can't hear the latter as anything but a start-side-2 song now, and this running order sounds so off to me. I guess I don't really know what the question is, unless it's "what gives?" Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:53:48 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: totally fucking stupid beatles question Drew: > > I'm really used to _Rubber Soul_ starting with "Norwegian Wood," which I gather > is the US running order. Now I have the "British" version, which starts > with "Drive > My Car." > I guess I don't really know what the question is, unless it's "what gives?" Capitol routinely screwed up the sequencing of The Beatles EMI releases. They were basically trying to make three LP's for every two actually released. Help! is the worst example of this; Capitol padded the album with the cheesy George Martin score, including only 7 of the original 13 songs on the UK version, made the cover garish and charged a dollar more in the US for it. One of the reasons The Beatles made the infamous "butcher cover" for the US-only "Yesterday and Today" release was to protest this "butchering" of their LP's. Even though US listeners have a fond memory of the way they originally heard these albums, keep in mind that the British versions on CD are the way they were meant to be heard by the artists themselves. Sgt. Pepper finally marked The Beatles getting complete artistic control over their output worldwide, by the way. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:23:00 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: WMSE needs your help! I received this email recently. This guy must've seen my trade list on House Of Figgy. I will help him if no one else wants to, but I'm thinking maybe somebody here has a lower gen copy of this show and could burn him a CD so he won't have to play an analog cassette on-air. Here's his letter: Mike Bereiter wrote: > > We're currently gearing up for our 20th anniversary on March 17th. In our > previous studios, many archival recordings we pulled from our snooper tapes > were damaged due to a plumbing problem. Through the help of many of our > listeners, we retrieved many of the performances from their home tapes. One > that we've been unable to find is the Robyn Hitchcock in-studio performance > he did on my show. With the help of the internet, I was pleased to see you > had a recording of the show on your list. Would it be possible to get a > copy to use for our anniversary (and store in a dry place!)? We'd > appreciate it. > > Buzz > Music Director/DJ > WMSE > 1025 N. Broadway > Milwaukee WI 53202 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:33:55 -0700 From: hbrandt Subject: Re: WMSE needs your help! By the way, Mike Bereiter's email address is: bereiter@msoe.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:34:39 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Sonic Book/SB Toronto Asshole Motherfucker: > i was thinking the other day that the greatest rock and/or roll > song of all time has got to be Sympathy For The Devil. anyone care > to disagree? Wouldn't dream of it. What could be more iconoclastic than to proclaim a *piano* song the best rock and roll song of all time? Amaze your friends with this shocking tidbit: the first appearance of a six-string in Sympathy is at the 2:50 mark ("Johnny B. Goode" never even reaches the 2:50 mark). Tell Tchaikovsky the news. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: It's 7 o'clock and I wannna rock Eddie hat gesagt: > i was thinking the other day that the greatest rock and/or roll > song of all time has got to be Sympathy For The Devil. anyone care > to disagree? My vote goes to "Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting." It has all the elements: a raucous beat, "fuck you" lyrics, a catchy refrain, a great intro guitar riff and lots of hooks. Sure, there's no guitar solo, but IMO, drums and rhythm are more essential than guitars in classifying a song as "rock". And "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting" -- and "Sympathy for the Devil" for that matter -- definitely "got the beat." Cheers! - -g- "I'm a juvenile product of the working class whose best friend floats at the bottom of a glass." )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ) Glen Uber ) uberg (at) sonic dot net ) Santa Rosa, California )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:03:03 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: whifty? >>From: "Irish Airman" >> >>She--due to whatever reason fits best with your mythology--gave the term >>whifty a new meaning. > >I don't think I know the _old_ meaning! the only time I've ever come across the word (and then spelt 'wifty') it was to describe the fey attitude and habits of the crystal polishing, horoscope casting 'nouveau witch', i.e., New Age, set (no offence intended to any followers of such pursuits here). >Loved Dylan's mustache. Love that he's butt ugly and dosnt give a rat's >ass. His madness is so much bigger than mere vanity. Yeah! yeah - if you must be, erm, eccentric, be interesting about it (I'm sure that's the main reason that Jack Nicholson keeps getting onto awards shows...) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:10:29 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: US Politics/Commercials thread >The point is that this is administration is going to be more dangerous >than the Reagan administration ever was. one thing which I've noticed that I haven't heard anyone else mention (maybe it's just me?) is that the US now has a President who doesn't give a rat's tits about foreign policies, at exactly the same moment that Europe is starting to flex its muscles. There are growing feelings of resentment about the US in Europe, and Europe is continuing to grow as a force. If it gets its act together the way it seems to be doing then the US's claims of being "the only superpower" (perhaps they've never heard of China) well look increasingly incorrect. any incresingly off-topic thoughts? >Topic for a silly thread: >I am wondering what you think is the best or coolest song you ever >heard used in a commercial? > >I heard Lou Reed's 'Perfect Day' in a Superbowl commercial Sunday >afternoon. Also, Spiritualized 'Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating >in Space' was/is used in add for Volkswagon (pretty cool commercial >IMO - as they go). Those are my votes. here in NZ, there is a great ad for Steinlager beer that uses Iggy Pop's "Lust for life", and AHI Gib Wallboard systems use Shriekback's "Cradle song" (sadly a cover, not the original version, but still - Shriekback? way cool) James PS - Disraeli Gears - great album! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:14:36 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: SB MP3s Someone (a feg?) nymmed Duckstab has posted pretty clean vinyl rips of Two Halves and Portland Arms to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 and alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1980s. Might be worth the download for any of you who (like me) have your turntables in storage and/or can't remember how to work a cassette. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:08:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: oh...my...god Well, I was fully expecting the final night of "Jazz" to be the low point. After all, this was the episode which purported to squeeze the last 40 years of jazz into 1 hour, 45 minutes (after devoting 16 or so hours to the first 50 years). But I never DREAMED.... Oh my. It was so appalling that I stopped being angry about 75% through it, and just started laughing. Until I had tears in my eyes. Literally. Thank god Wynton Marsalis came along to resurrect jazz, after it had died in the mid '70s! And thank GOD not one word was devoted to hacks like Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Chick Corea, etc. etc. etc. etc.... Yes, Wynton...we understand...we obey...yes.... And Burns STILL managed to devote about 25% of the episode to Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong! When discussing the past 40 years of jazz, for heaven's sake!! Oh my. However, if "Jazz" serves to sink Burns' next application for a NEA grant, I guess it all will have been worth it.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:40:40 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: You're going to reap just what you sow "Yudt.Matthew" wrote: > > Topic for a silly thread: > I am wondering what you think is the best or coolest song you ever > heard used in a commercial? all songs suck once used in ads, so I guess my answer would be "none". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:48:04 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: duckstab Brian Huddell writted Someone (a feg?) nymmed Duckstab... It's the name of an early-ish Residents album. I reckon there's a lot in common between RH and said Louisiana/California pranksters. Not least the fact that on the cover of Meet The Residents (Give It To The Soft Boys...) they imposed crayfish heads on photos of The Beatles ;-). They also have a propensity for silly cover versions and diatribes against religion. As to sound quality on Disc 2 of the SB reissue - yes, it is a bit murky but they are rehearsal tapes after all. For me Robyn sounds a bit Jagger-esque on quite a few of the tracks... jmbc. PS I can't do all that mp3 file-wav-download-upload-motherload bees-nest so I can't send anyone anything. Sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:36:05 -0500 From: "Sean Palmerston" Subject: Re: Sonic Book/SB Toronto - ----- Original Message ----- From: Asshole Motherfucker > ALL ORIGINAL MEMBERS UK NU WAVE PUNK WITH ROBYN HITCHCOCK & KIMBERLEY > REW (KATRINA & THE WAVES) NU CD ON MATADOR. > > billed as "The Soft Boys w/Robyn Hitchcock". > > > so there's no box-office will call. you have to pick up tix at "Canadian > Ticket Centre". toronto fegs know about this? is it a terribly > difficult option? anybody wanna pick up tickets for out-of-towners? > rosso, will you be there? The show is in a relatively small venue (about 350 capacity), but they sell tickets at their front bar as well as at ticketmaster and a few Toronto indie record stores (Rotate This, Sonic temple and Soundsacpes I think , maybe a few more). There are few ticketmasters in downtown Toronto as well, although I think the Tower at Yonge and Queen (one of the worst Towers on the planet!) have one. I bought my tickets through the evil ticketmaster since I live in Burlington (about 40 min from Toronto) and it would cost me more in gas to go there that the service charges and there is a ticketmaster location in the local mall record store, literally about a 10 minute walk. If the show does sell out, the venue will have people line up outside to try and get in. Most times the entire line up gets in. That way if industry type people ask to be guestlisted and don't come in, fans can get in. I have never waited on one before, but I have friends that waited to get in for Frank Black and Wilco shows there and they were in before the opening bands left the stage, fwiw. Sean Palmerston ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:08:58 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: oh...my...god Yeah, Eb I agree. And I am still trying to fiqure why they showed Cassandra Wilson, but not Diana Krall. Is it because Diana is Canadian and white? I noticed Oscar Peterson also didn't show up (another Canadian). No Jaco either, which is a big time slight considering his pioneering bass playing. Did I miss it, or was John Coltane's "A Love Supreme" even mentioned? Burns deserves all the knocks for this turkey. I guess we should have expected it considering his lack of Jazz recordings that he actually owns. Marsalis must have grabed him by the ears and said "Let me tell you the history of Jazz, and by the way, don't forget the Marsalis home movies in the last episode". Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Eb [mailto:ElBroome@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:08 AM To: Fgz Subject: oh...my...god Well, I was fully expecting the final night of "Jazz" to be the low point. After all, this was the episode which purported to squeeze the last 40 years of jazz into 1 hour, 45 minutes (after devoting 16 or so hours to the first 50 years). But I never DREAMED.... Oh my. It was so appalling that I stopped being angry about 75% through it, and just started laughing. Until I had tears in my eyes. Literally. Thank god Wynton Marsalis came along to resurrect jazz, after it had died in the mid '70s! And thank GOD not one word was devoted to hacks like Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Chick Corea, etc. etc. etc. etc.... Yes, Wynton...we understand...we obey...yes.... And Burns STILL managed to devote about 25% of the episode to Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong! When discussing the past 40 years of jazz, for heaven's sake!! Oh my. However, if "Jazz" serves to sink Burns' next application for a NEA grant, I guess it all will have been worth it.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: totally fucking stupid beatles question "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > I'm really used to _Rubber Soul_ starting with "Norwegian Wood," > which I gather is the US running order. nope. side one of the US version starts with "I've Just Seen a Face"; side two with "It's Only Love." nevermind that they are both supposed to be on _help!_ > Now I have the "British" version, which starts with "Drive My Car." > I can't hear the latter as anything but a start-side-2 song now, > and this running order sounds so off to me. > > I guess I don't really know what the question is, unless it's "what > gives?" you get used to having everything in the right order soon enough really. i promise. and if i'm lying, may lightning strike george w. bush dead. hell, if i'm telling the truth, may lightning strike george w. bush dead. /tangent/ i found a button i wore a lot around 10 years ago the other night: "the difference between Bush & God is that God doesn't think he's Bush." they _were_ right when they said everything comes back into style. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Commercials thread >>Topic for a silly thread: >>I am wondering what you think is the best or coolest song you ever >>heard used in a commercial? "One of the Three" by James is currently being used in a - get ready for it - *Tylenol* commercial. That gets my vote. == paul pcg@bootbox.net _____________________________________________________________ BootBox.Net - Home Of The Totally Free Internet Solution http://www.bootbox.net Get an @bootbox.net webmail account - http://webmail.bootbox.net Host Your Website For Free - http://webhosting.bootbox.net Put Your E-Commerce Business Online Virtually Free - http://bcommerce.bootbox.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:32:59 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: In 2001, Louis Armstrong was still dead. And Duke Ellington hadn't played a gig in years. At 09:08 AM 2/1/01 -0500, Bachman, Michael wrote: >No Jaco either, which is a big time slight considering his pioneering bass >playing. Burns, in his closed-minded traditionalism, pretty much snubbed anyone that played an ELECTRIC instrument. There was barely any mention of the electric guitar in jazz either. No Jim Hall. No Grant Green. No Pat Metheny. No Wes Montgomery. No Nat King Cole. There was a litte bit on Charlie Christian and maybe a snippet about Django Reinhardt, or at least his name was thrown into one of those melodramatic lists if I recall correctly. Organists like Jimmy Smith were sort of brushed over quickly as well. The only "new" instrument that I remember Burns making a big deal about being introduced to jazz was the vibraphone. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:01:28 -0500 From: LDudich@ase.org Subject: Soft boys in Baltimore? > ******************************* Any other fegs up for seeing the show in Baltimore? I know myself and other former members of the Number Nine Line (semi-known only for our cover of "only the stones remain" on the upcoming GF2 Robyn tribute album) are planning on attending. Leeme know! -luther Luther W. Dudich Alliance to Save Energy Buildings Team 1200 18th St., NW, Suite 900 Washington, DC 20036 202/530-2243 202/331-9588 (fax) ldudich@ase.org www.ase.org You are one click away from helping the Alliance Ukraine program.... > http://www.environmentsite.com > > "you can't count on anything- except your fingers, and sometimes your toes." - -anon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:57:39 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Politics, schmolitics >> Here's an even better one: Bush just put a government wide >> hiring-freeze into effect. Now he can say he has reduced the growth >> of the federal government. Of course all it does it force all the >> agencies to spend there money on other things...(bombs, leather >> furniture, new keyboards with W's). It's actually quite common for incoming administrations of a different party to freeze civilian hires until they can get their own people into the top-level (i.e., appointed) jobs. Reagan and Carter both did it. I'm not sure if Clinton did it or not; I was out of the picture by then but I vaguely seem to recall that he did. Normally the freeze lasts about 3 months, though this one will probably last a little longer because Bush will have a harder time getting his right-wing buddies confirmed. They're always very quiet about lifting the "freeze", of course. >(benefits for the poor, art, text books, road improvements...) Are you >saying you're opposed to government spending that ISN'T hiring people? >If it is, as you say, that agencies have to spend their budgets on >something else when they can't hire people, why WOULDN'T they >spend it on public improvement? Why pursue this point? It isn't as you say he says it is, since all of these things you're mentioning are rigidly budgeted by Congress, meaning the agency officials themselves have no discretion in the amounts spent, and those amounts don't change just because the agency is short-handed. OTOH, unless things have changed in the last 8 years, if agency honchos had a choice between using additional funds to hire more people to do the same amount of work, vs. providing more/better services with the same number of people, they'd hire more people about 99.999999% of the time. And if they had a choice between hiring more people and buying better office furniture for themselves, they'd go with the furniture about 100% of the time. That's why budgets exist, folks! I'd go on, but only at the risk of sounding like a Republican... Who knows, it may actually be too late. John "glad to be out of the loop" Hedges ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #28 *******************************