From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #14 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 17 2001 Volume 10 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans ["JH3" ] Re: Submit to Plastic ["JH3" ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Christopher Gross ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Eb ] Re: Marilyn/top 3 list [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Here's a top 3 list for you [Eb ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Brett Cooper ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Eb ] Re: Here's a top 3 list for you [Aaron Mandel ] nice records, eh? ["Russ Reynolds" ] Bob and Carol and Eb and Alice ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: nice records, eh? [steve ] Re: Bob and Carol and Eb and Alice [Eleanore Adams ] Re: harp hints ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" ] Re: harpin' on [Michael R Godwin ] Re: nice records, eh? [Michael R Godwin ] GLP & RH video clip [Eclipse ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:52:45 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans Mike G. writes: >"Well we got no innocence > And we got no principles > And we got no [???] > We can't even think of a word that rhymes" >Can't remember any more ... It's actually "We got no class, we got no principles" and then "we got no innocence." (Not that I'm an expert or anything.) And this, from Steve S: >> http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html Y'know, I had absolutely *no idea* that Skinny Puppy was from Canada? Wow! I guess I take back everything bad I've ever said about Canadians, then. (Except for Bryan Adams and Celine Dion, of course.) Actually, have I ever said anything bad about Canadians, other than those two? I honestly can't remember... I guess the only things I can remember nowadays are old Alice Cooper lyrics. John "brain, brain, what is brain" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:39 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Submit to Plastic From http://www.starwars2x.com/plot.html : >For some time now, Palpatine has been secretly laying the >plans for the creation of a powerful clone army. Palpatine >leads the Senate to believe that the clone army will be used >for peaceful purposes to keep the galaxy at peace and to >foster stability. However, Palpatine's top minions know the >truth that Palpatine plans to use this clone army for evil... >The film comes to an end as we watch Palpatine, Bail >Organa, Jar Jar and others watch thousands of Republic >clones being loaded on starships to fight in what will >become the Clone Wars. At the risk of being totally obvious, I guess this means the one we're *really* gonna want to see is "Star Wars Episode 3: Rout of the Clones"! Do you think they'll pay Robyn & the rest of the SB's a royalty? (IIRC, Alice Cooper released a single called "(We're All) Clones" back in the early 80's...) - -JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:54:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, JH3 wrote: > >> http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html > > Y'know, I had absolutely *no idea* that Skinny Puppy was > from Canada? Wow! I guess I take back everything bad I've > ever said about Canadians, then. (Except for Bryan Adams > and Celine Dion, of course.) Good man! Though I have my doubts about this list. First of all, it's not "Cleanse and Fold," it's "Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate." And secondly, "Vivisect VI," "Last Rights," "Too Dark Park" and "Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse" all deserve to be ranked above both "CFM" and "Rabies." Of course, even the weakest Skinny Puppy album ("The Process," perhaps) is still enough to compensate the world for both Celine Dion and Bryan Adams. Hey, this is the first time I've posted to the list this year. Happy New Year, everyone! Since I'm writing anyway, I might as well share my top ten album list for 2000. In no particular order: 1. RH, A Star for Bram 2. Apoptygma Berzerk, Welcome to Earth 3. King Crimson, ConstruKCtion of Light 4. The Cure, Bloodflowers 5. Cruxshadows, Paradox Addendum 6. [empty slot] 7. [empty slot] 8. [empty slot] 9. [empty slot] 10. [empty slot] And here's my ten worst albums of the year (again, in no particular order): 1. RH, A Star for Bram 2. Apoptygma Berzerk, Welcome to Earth 3. King Crimson, ConstruKCtion of Light 4. The Cure, Bloodflowers 5. Cruxshadows, Paradox Addendum 6. [empty slot] 7. [empty slot] 8. [empty slot] 9. [empty slot] 10. [empty slot] If we include albums that I haven't heard in their entirety, but have heard more than one song from, I would add "Kid A" and "Silence Is Sexy" to my top ten. And bottom ten. Special mention could also be made of Bahaus's "Gotham," which was released in 2000 but consists of live shows recorded in 1998. And, well, that's about it. I'll try to pay more attention to new releases this year. (If only they gave me a sound card for my computer at work, I'd be a lot more up to date.) - --Chris np: RH, A Star for Bram, as it happens ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:54:35 -0500 From: "Ken Frankel" Subject: Re: Here's a top 3 list for you And where the hell are Kate & Anna McGarrigle? > > > >http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html > > > > > >- Steve > >And not a single non-English album among them! Geezs! I shall have to >counter this with my Canadian top three, listed below. > >1. Michel Faubert: Maudite mimoire > >2. Reni Lussier: Le trisor de la langue > >3. Les Granules: Soyez vigilants, restez vivants... > >J.M. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:19:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans Brett tried: > Bowie's acclaim is as much based in his songwriting as his "packaging," >unlike > Cooper's. >Which explains Alice's string of Top 10 hits that he has had since 1970, >right? Well, that sounded very nice as a quick 'n' easy retort, but according to the Billboard Guide of Top 40 Hits, AC has exactly *three* Top 10 hits, thinly spread across 20 years or so: "School's Out" at #7, "You and Me" at #9 and "Poison" at #7. Not exactly a "string," except maybe by revisionist Cooper-fanboy standards. [Response: "But Eb -- 'Stinky Armpit of Love' hit #10 in Singapore, back in 1985! So there!"] Incidentally, the capsule biography in the same book says Cooper is "known primarily for his bizarre stage antics." Mm-hmm. Incidentally#2, one of those Top 10 hits ("You and Me") is ephemeral, soft-rock drivel which has nothing to do with Cooper's signature sound. Meanwhile, I can't hum one note of "Poison," and can't be sure I've even *heard* the song. I guess he's not quite as ubiquitous as you hope.... >Yes and no. No one before Alice had used an electric chair on the rock >stage, or decapitated dolls, or even used the split screen effect (as seen >in the Welcome To My Nightmare show) to the degree that Alice used it before >him. Which, as usual, begs the question: WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS? When will you learn that I'll do nothing but yawn when you breathlessly expound about Wacky Shit Alice Did Onstage? I'm interested in MUSIC, not props. Now, as I was saying about his "packaging" being what's most important.... >> Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. > >That's because you *choose* not to, Eb. LOL Nope, try another rationalization. If you looked beyond your fawning circle of meatheaded Cooperphiles, you might realize that only three individual Alice Cooper songs are widely remembered and played: "School's Out," "I'm Eighteen" and "Elected." And sorry to say, I myself only remember two of them well. >A friend of mine wrote this regarding the message: >> "Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be >> wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper." > >show sold out in 12 minutes back in november. joke's on us. If you think the new Marilyn Manson album hasn't received a notably worse reception than the previous one, well.... But here you go again, defending an artist in terms of financial success, and we all know how pointless that is. Eb np: Black Box Recorder/The Facts of Life (the best Claudine Longet-esque album in ages?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:22:08 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Marilyn/top 3 list Re: Marilyn Manson, I finally got myself a copy of Mechanical animals, and found it surprisingly likeable, although the Cooper/Bowie 'influence' is sooo obvious (do NOT play "Rock is dead" and "Jean Genie" back to back!). I suspect he has enough talent to carve his own way if he wanted, but it's so much easier to fall into a ready-made groove than make your own way. >And not a single non-English album among them! Geezs! I shall have to >counter this with my Canadian top three, listed below. I shall sit on the fence as to Anglo-Franco Canadian albums and go and listen to Daniel Lanois' "Acadie". James nf- Barbados. Vertical blue-gold-blue, with a black trident on the gold band James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:33:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Here's a top 3 list for you >> >http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html Mildly interesting list...I wouldn't have guessed Nomeansno had that kind of widespread acclaim. Yet otherwise for the most part, Canada's musical slant seems as eerily wimpy as ever. ;) Still, I counted 21 of those 100 albums which I own. More than I would've expected. And that's not counting Live Rust and Tonight's the Night, which I don't own but will probably buy one of these days. That's also not counting Harvest, which I simply don't care for (maybe because it's so wimpy ;)). (Two Siberry albums listed, yet neither was When I Was a Boy?) 20% Robyn content: I gave a copy of my recent radio-show slot to the womanwhoismostdeartome, and despite being very much into Beatley things, she singled out the Robyn and Sugarplastic songs as *the* most unbearable tunes on the tape. Quote: "Robyn Hitchcock, *immediately* upon hearing him, makes me shudder." Ouch. Heh. 20% totally irrelevant content: Remember that peculiar "massage" photo which is posted on Eddie's "Eb Tribute" page? Well, I saw a similar anomaly in this weekend's Los Angeles Times Magazine. Check http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/justawaterfall.jpg for a scan. Is it just me, or do others see something, er, unusual about this photo? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:16:50 -0900 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans on 1/16/01 12:19PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Brett tried: >> Bowie's acclaim is as much based in his songwriting as his "packaging," >> unlike >> Cooper's. > >> Which explains Alice's string of Top 10 hits that he has had since 1970, >> right? > > Well, that sounded very nice as a quick 'n' easy retort, but according to > the Billboard Guide of Top 40 Hits, AC has exactly *three* Top 10 hits, > thinly spread across 20 years or so: "School's Out" at #7, "You and Me" at > #9 and "Poison" at #7. Not exactly a "string," except maybe by revisionist > Cooper-fanboy standards. [Response: "But Eb -- 'Stinky Armpit of Love' hit > #10 in Singapore, back in 1985! So there!"] No, "Stinky Armpit" never made it onto an album--so there! Seriously, though, you've left out "I Never Cry," and "Only Women Bleed." Those were in the top 10 as well. > Incidentally#2, one of those Top 10 hits ("You and Me") is ephemeral, > soft-rock drivel which has nothing to do with Cooper's signature sound. > Meanwhile, I can't hum one note of "Poison," and can't be sure I've even > *heard* the song. I guess he's not quite as ubiquitous as you hope.... Sorry, Eb, but not matter what argument you bring up, you are in the dark. "Poison" was a Top 10 hit worldwide, and most people do recognize the song and the artist. Hate to break it to you. Anyone who was listening to pop/rock radio stations in late 1989 early 1990 will have heard "Poison" time and time again. >> Yes and no. No one before Alice had used an electric chair on the rock >> stage, or decapitated dolls, or even used the split screen effect (as seen >> in the Welcome To My Nightmare show) to the degree that Alice used it before >> him. > > Which, as usual, begs the question: WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS? When will you > learn that I'll do nothing but yawn when you breathlessly expound about > Wacky Shit Alice Did Onstage? I'm interested in MUSIC, not props. Now, as I > was saying about his "packaging" being what's most important.... Packaging was a part of it, but music is as well. Besides, I doubt Alice was thinking to himself, "Gee, let's try and impress Eb as best we can!" or "I wonder how Eb will take this?!?!" Millions of music consumers can't be wrong. >>> Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. >> >> That's because you *choose* not to, Eb. LOL > > Nope, try another rationalization. I don't think so. Truly, you choose not to. Pretty obvious. > If you looked beyond your fawning circle of meatheaded Cooperphiles, you > might realize that only three individual Alice Cooper songs are widely > remembered and played: "School's Out," "I'm Eighteen" and "Elected." And > sorry to say, I myself only remember two of them well. Again, you are being very selective leaving "Only Women Bleed," "Poison" and "Feed My Frankenstein"out of the list (can anyone say "Wayne's World"?). > But here you go again, defending an artist in terms of financial success, > and we all know how pointless that is. No, that wasn't me who said that. For criminal acts and violence on the stage... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:47:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans >Seriously, though, you've left out "I Never Cry," and "Only Women Bleed." >Those were >in the top 10 as well. According to the Billboard book (a common reference guide, widely available), both "I Never Cry" and "Only Women Bleed" went no higher than #12. As did another song I've never heard called "How You Gonna See Me Now." And re-apply what I said earlier about "You and Me" to "I Never Cry," as well.... (I actually thought "Clones" was kinda cute, but that went no higher than #40.) >Sorry, Eb, but not matter what argument you bring up, you are in the dark. >"Poison" was a Top 10 hit worldwide, and most people do recognize the song >and the artist. Hate to break it to you. Anyone who was listening to >pop/rock radio stations in late 1989 early 1990 will have heard "Poison" >time and time again. No different from all the other fleeting heavy-metal crossover hits of that gruesome period, I'm sure. Winger and Warrant, anyone? Maybe I *have* heard the song, and just assumed it was another generic hit by one of those losers. >Besides, I doubt Alice >was thinking to himself, "Gee, let's try and impress Eb as best we can!" or >"I wonder how Eb will take this?!?!" Gee, what an insightful point. Yes, you're probably right about that. >Millions of music consumers can't be wrong. I see that you're back to embarassing yourself with the commercial success = greatness fallacy. Wanna buy my unwanted Ricky Martin and Backstreet Boys CDs? I can't manage to unload them, anywhere. >> Nope, try another rationalization. > >I don't think so. Truly, you choose not to. Pretty obvious. You can't *choose* to be unable to hum a song. Don't be absurd. I can hum the "Titanic" song perfectly, and GAWD I wish I couldn't.... >> If you looked beyond your fawning circle of meatheaded Cooperphiles, you >> might realize that only three individual Alice Cooper songs are widely >> remembered and played: "School's Out," "I'm Eighteen" and "Elected." And >> sorry to say, I myself only remember two of them well. > >Again, you are being very selective leaving "Only Women Bleed," "Poison" >and "Feed My Frankenstein"out of the list (can anyone say "Wayne's World"?). Nope. The radio legacy boils down to the previously stated three. Hey, is your website still the most clunky, cumbersome download-hog around? I visited it a couple of years ago, and I think it's *still* downloading.... Eb, who can't hum "Feed My Frankenstein" or "Only Women Bleed," either ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:24:28 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Here's a top 3 list for you On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Eb wrote: > >> >http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html > > Mildly interesting list...I wouldn't have guessed Nomeansno had that > kind of widespread acclaim. i'm trying to figure out whether this is an opinion poll or a sales chart (their site is loading *VERY* slowly for some reason), but either way it doesn't make much sense for Sloan to be #1 ahead of Joni Mitchell's Blue. nice to see the New Pornographers are #1 on whatever current chart that is they have on the front page, though; hopefully it will funnel some listeners back to Dan Bejar's other band, Destroyer. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:11:15 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: nice records, eh? > http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html Well, this will certainly satisfy the Neil Young fans who must've been appalled that Neil had zero entries on the VH1 list. BTW, am I the only person who thinks Harvest is just a tad overrated? I've always thought "After The Gold Rush" was the definitive Neil Young album. It's hard to pick one but when I have to that's usually the one I pick. - -rUss np: Ken Burns' Jazz/5 CD set. Not quite sure what the hell is going on with Disc 5 but the first four have rounded out my jazz collection nicely. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:17:43 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Bob and Carol and Eb and Alice > I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. That's just plain un-American! Okay, maybe Rebel Rebel is the more well known song but I can't remember ever hearing "Schools Out" and not cranking it up as high as my eardrums could withstand. Go to the back of the class! - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:18:05 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: nice records, eh? Russ Reynolds: >np: Ken Burns' Jazz/5 CD set. Not quite sure what the hell is going on with >Disc 5 but the first four have rounded out my jazz collection nicely. Is that the one that covers the last 40 years? - - Steve __________ If they know our secrets, why can't we know theirs? - Dana Scully ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:23:42 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Bob and Carol and Eb and Alice I have to second this....(I did grow up in the moter city...I CAN hum "school's out" better than "Heros" and heros is my ultimate fav....) "schools out for summer!!! schools out for EVER!!!" eleanore Russ Reynolds wrote: > > I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. > > That's just plain un-American! Okay, maybe Rebel Rebel is the more well > known song but I can't remember ever hearing "Schools Out" and not cranking > it up as high as my eardrums could withstand. Go to the back of the class! > > -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:58:40 +0100 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Re: harp hints I agree with the Hohner comments. I bought one and it sucked (no pun intended!) One of the reeds was duff and the replacement was the same. On Mikes comments on Johnny Mars his website is at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1801/. He seems to be back in the US although I thought he was a permanent fixture over here. Haven't seen him in ages but I still remember his "Hendrixed" version of Amazing Grace. Sounds bizarre but it was awesome! Stewart, you need to get a Digital Delay pedal as well!!!!! (H) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:17:59 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: harpin' on I mistakenly wrote Phil instead of *Paul* Lamb as one of Britain's best harp players. Phil Lamb is someone I work for occasionally and he can't play the harmonica for toffee...(Where did the phrase about not being able to do something for toffee come from? - I'm sure that more than a few of you will have theories ;-)) Godders was right to point out the pre-eminence of James Cotton as master of the gob-iron. Though for me he was a better singer than harpist. A couple of others I missed on my first sweep... Paul Butterfield Billy Branch Carey Bell William Clarke (fantastic player, sadly died too young) Mike also mentioned the ol' train trick - To my mind the best version I've heard was from Mark Feltham of Nine Below Zero. His intro to Riding On The L & N on their Live At The Marquee album is simply astounding. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:15:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: harpin' on On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > Godders was right to point out the pre-eminence of James Cotton as master > of the gob-iron. Aaargh! You weren't at my boarding school, were you? I thought I'd left that eke-name far behind. (It was such a good school that it was Special ...) > A couple of others I missed on my first sweep... > Paul Butterfield Great one. I still play 'East West' fairly regularly. > Carey Bell The one time I saw Carey Bell he was playing a 'chromonica'(?) which didn't really sound like a blues harp at all, and consequently I didn't like it much. I think it was the 1969 Blues Festval at the Albert Hall, the one with Magic Sam Maghett (wow!), the Chenier brothers, Earl Hooker, John Jackson, and the astounding Whistlin' Alex Moore. > Mike also mentioned the ol' train trick - To my mind the best version I've > heard was from Mark Feltham of Nine Below Zero. His intro to Riding On The > L & N on their Live At The Marquee album is simply astounding. I think I saw them once - are they the band that covered the Standells' 'Dirty Water', but changed "banks of the River Charles" to "banks of the River Thames"? - - Godders PS Gricer thought: What is the L & N? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:51:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: nice records, eh? On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Russ Reynolds wrote: > BTW, am I the only person who thinks Harvest is just a tad overrated? > I've always thought "After The Gold Rush" was the definitive Neil > Young album. It's hard to pick one but when I have to that's usually > the one I pick. Yes, I couldn't stand that bombastic orchestra the first time I heard 'Harvest', and I haven't listened to it since. I think the world is with you on ATGR, but I prefer 'Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere". 'Live Rust' is probably the noisiest NY album; and 'Heart of Gold' is his best song. Or maybe 'Cinnamon Girl', or even 'Flying on the Ground is Wrong' ... - - Mike Godwin n.p. Fat Man in the Bathtub ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Eclipse Subject: GLP & RH video clip hey gang, i picked up this link off the GLP message board. it's a 3:30 clip of "Satellite of Love" from the Crocodile Cafe performance. Scotopia Pictures claims the GLH concert video title to be "Elixirs & Remedies", and word is it's due out this spring. http://www.scotopiapictures.com/Films/filmsglh.html hope this isn't a repeat - what do y'all think of it? carefully, Eclipse np: GLB, Ladies Love Oracle - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #14 *******************************