From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #13 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 10 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- digital wave and robyn book ["Melissa ." ] attn: Alice Cooper fans [Eb ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Brett Cooper ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Eb ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [dmw ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans ["Chris Gillis!" ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Brett Cooper ] Here's a top 100 list for you [steve ] Submit to Plastic [steve ] Spoon! [Bayard ] Re: Spoon! [steve ] harp hints [appx 0% rH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] harp hints ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans [Michael R Godwin ] coopermania [dmw ] Re: harp hints [Michael R Godwin ] Re: coopermania [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Here's a top 3 list for you [Jonathan Moren Subject: digital wave and robyn book Just called them and they only sell to stores. The search continues... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:28:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: attn: Alice Cooper fans Today, the LA Times' Robert Hilburn reviewed Saturday night's local Marilyn Manson show. Lots of Alice Cooper references! "...Manson can go on teasing his fan base with his Grand Guignol circus show, but it's hard to imagine in the age of Eminem and other hard-core rappers that he is still even in the Top 10 on parents' most-feared list. "That makes him seem severely dated -- and he doesn't do much to correct the impression. "For someone with the ambition and possibly the talent to be the new David Bowie, Manson appears resolved to settling for the new Alice Cooper. "Bowie and Cooper both employed grand theatrics in their early days, but Bowie backed his with songs frequently overflowing with challenging and inspired ideas. In such roles as Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin Sane, he became a genuine radical -- someone questioning sexual and social attitudes of the day. "Everything about Cooper was more conventional. The songs were straightforward expressions of youthful yearnings, sometimes catchy as 'School's Out,' but rarely sociologically daring or compelling. And Cooper's ghoulish staging was mostly straight out of horror movies or comics." [skipping ahead...] "For all [Manson's] attempts at anthems, most of the songs, including the new 'Disposable Teens,' tend to be as conventional as 'School's Out' rather than in the more penetrating mode of Bowie's 'Rebel Rebel' or 'Heroes.'" [skipping ahead, to the conclusion...] "Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper." Heh. Rally the troops, Brett! Flood the Times with email! ;) (Uh, you can probably find the full review at http://www.latimes.com.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:45:32 -0900 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans on 1/15/01 10:28AM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > "Bowie and Cooper both employed grand theatrics in their early days, but > Bowie backed his with songs frequently overflowing with challenging and > inspired ideas. In such roles as Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin Sane, he became > a genuine radical -- someone questioning sexual and social attitudes of the > day. Aside from the fact that Alice was doing what he was doing before Bowie. Apparently, this journalist has been reading too much Rolling Stone. If it weren't for Alice, Bowie would never have become the artsy-fartsy critic's sweetheart that he is to this day. I could present multitudes of evidence to show where Bowie almost word for word, steals what Alice has said regarding who was the innovator. > "Everything about Cooper was more conventional. The songs were > straightforward expressions of youthful yearnings, sometimes catchy as > 'School's Out,' but rarely sociologically daring or compelling. And > Cooper's ghoulish staging was mostly straight out of horror movies or > comics." Sounds like this journalist has never listened to Brutal Planet. But it is true that Alice has made it clear about where *his* influences came from--vaudeville, television, horror movies, pulp novels, and yes, comic books. Alice is a character, folks. We should all know that after more than 30 years. > "For all [Manson's] attempts at anthems, most of the songs, including the > new 'Disposable Teens,' tend to be as conventional as 'School's Out' rather > than in the more penetrating mode of Bowie's 'Rebel Rebel' or 'Heroes.'" Wanna take a poll on which song is more recognizable or popular throughout the years? > "Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be > wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper." And I take that not as insult towards Alice, but as saying, "Look, Marilyn, quit hanging on the coattails of other peoples' accomplishments, and find your own path." Alice has made his mark, and it's up to Manson to make his own. > Heh. Rally the troops, Brett! Flood the Times with email! ;) Nah. Everybody's mind is badly infected... Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:15:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans Brett was mighty quick on the draw ;): >Aside from the fact that Alice was doing what he was doing before Bowie. >Apparently, this journalist has been reading too much Rolling Stone. If it >weren't for Alice, Bowie would never have become the artsy-fartsy critic's >sweetheart that he is to this day. I could present multitudes of evidence >to show where Bowie almost word for word, steals what Alice has said >regarding who was the innovator. Yadda yadda yadda. ;) If Bowie's appeal didn't stretch much beyond flashy costumes and stage shows, then he'd be...well, Alice Cooper. Bowie's acclaim is as much based in his songwriting as his "packaging," unlike Cooper's. >> Cooper's ghoulish staging was mostly straight out of horror movies or >> comics." > >But it is >true that Alice has made it clear about where *his* influences came >from--vaudeville, television, horror movies, pulp novels, and yes, comic >books. I think Hilburn's point was that Cooper's staging really wasn't so "innovative," but simply drawn from other sources. >> "For all [Manson's] attempts at anthems, most of the songs, including the >> new 'Disposable Teens,' tend to be as conventional as 'School's Out' rather >> than in the more penetrating mode of Bowie's 'Rebel Rebel' or 'Heroes.'" > >Wanna take a poll on which song is more recognizable or popular throughout >the years? Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. >> "Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be >> wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper." > >And I take that not as insult towards Alice, but as saying, "Look, Marilyn, >quit hanging on the coattails of other peoples' accomplishments, and find >your own path." I took it as an urge that Manson aim higher, in his choice of role models. Since Hilburn didn't give Cooper credit for much beyond writing an occasional catchy anthem, your own interpretation sounds like wishful thinking. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:39:36 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Eb wrote: > >Wanna take a poll on which song is more recognizable or popular throughout > >the years? > > Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. I wouldn't bet on the Cooper track being any better known than "Rebel Rebel" nohow, but I do think that one of the reasons for Cooper's career longevity is that there *was* some songwriting skill to back up the packaging beyond the "occasional catchy anthem," which is why Cooper is better known than a great many of his imitators (W*a*s*p, anyone? thought not). Cooper's late 70's work seems to be in critical disfavor, but for my money, _From the Inside_ is an especially fine album, pound-per-pound better than _Welcome to My Nightmare_ and much more nuanced than the _Love It to Death_, era shock stuff. It's personal and affecting in a way I think he's not often given credit for (and it has its funny/outrageous moments too). If you want a laugh, though, check out the review of Cooper's Y2K release at allmusic.com, where some pretty horrible sounding lyrics are held up for praise, and an absurd amount of stars is awarded. He-llo?! Paging an editor to aisle three...emergency! - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:37:13 -0800 From: "Chris Gillis!" Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans > >> "For all [Manson's] attempts at anthems, most of the songs, including the > >> new 'Disposable Teens,' tend to be as conventional as 'School's Out' rather > >> than in the more penetrating mode of Bowie's 'Rebel Rebel' or 'Heroes.'" > > > >Wanna take a poll on which song is more recognizable or popular throughout > >the years? > > Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. > My mind sees this as whether "Rebel Rebel" or "Heros" takes it. Alice is not in this race. Interestingly enough. Mr. Pop did not figure into any of the given excerpts. Perhaps he is just a bit out of reach for easy comparison? .chris - -- chris@photogenica.net http://photogenica.net - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:09:03 -0900 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans on 1/15/01 12:15PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Yadda yadda yadda. ;) If Bowie's appeal didn't stretch much beyond flashy > costumes and stage shows, then he'd be...well, Alice Cooper. Bowie's > acclaim is as much based in his songwriting as his "packaging," unlike > Cooper's. Which explains Alice's string of Top 10 hits that he has had since 1970, right? > I think Hilburn's point was that Cooper's staging really wasn't so > "innovative," but simply drawn from other sources. Yes and no. No one before Alice had used an electric chair on the rock stage, or decapitated dolls, or even used the split screen effect (as seen in the Welcome To My Nightmare show) to the degree that Alice used it before him. I could go on, but I don't think you have your barf bags handy. >> Wanna take a poll on which song is more recognizable or popular throughout >> the years? > > Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. That's because you *choose* not to, Eb. LOL > I took it as an urge that Manson aims higher, in his choice of role models. > Since Hilburn didn't give Cooper credit for much beyond writing an > occasional catchy anthem, your own interpretation sounds like wishful > thinking. Nah. A friend of mine wrote this regarding the message: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Cooper" To: "ACG List" ; "Brian Nelson" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: [acg] FW: attn: Alice Cooper fans > "Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be > wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper." show sold out in 12 minutes back in november. joke's on us. ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:16:15 -0600 From: steve Subject: Here's a top 100 list for you http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html - - Steve __________ If they know our secrets, why can't we know theirs? - Dana Scully ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:01:47 -0600 From: steve Subject: Submit to Plastic The first site has a link to the second, which may have the plot of Star Wars, Episode 2. http://www.plastic.com/ http://www.starwars2x.com/shadow.html - - Steve ___________ Hey, hey, hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are. - B. Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Spoon! hope it doesn't suck! http://us.imdb.com/Title?0242949 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:20:40 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Spoon! Bayard: >hope it doesn't suck! > >http://us.imdb.com/Title?0242949 I know somebody who knows somebody, so I've seen a rough cut of the first episode. I think fans will be pleased, but who knows about the general TV viewer. - - Steve __________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:16:33 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: harp hints [appx 0% rH] I've decided to take up the harmonica, after hearing Sonny Terry play on a Woody Guthrie track. I know blues harp will be a long way off, but do any of the harmonicists here have any recommendations for learning, resources, instrument recommendations*, and other stuff? thanks, Stewart *: I could only find a Tombo "Folk Blues" in my trawl round the shops; are these okay? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:51:18 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: harp hints Stewart, Tombo 'Lee Oskar' is the easiest playing harp I've come across. To begin with I'd get an A (to play in E if a guitarist/pianist is with you) or a D (to play in A, ditto) and they need to be Major Diatonic. They shouldn't cost you more than #20. DO NOT get a cheap one, it is one of the falsest economies you can make. And I'd steer clear of Hohners - some people like them, but they are more difficult to get on with when you're starting out. People you should listen to include - Yup, Sonny Terry 'Whoopin' and a hollerin' Junior Wells Little Walter Snooky Pryor Sonny Boy Williamson Billy Boy Arnold Walter Horton Johnny Mars is the Hendrix of the harp John Popper of Blues Traveler is a very good technician. Charlie Musselwhite is a beautiful player (appeared on Tom Waits's last CD). British players you should check out if you see them advertised in the area, or see CDs in the rack, are Phil Lamb, Pete G and Lee Sankey (a phenomenal talent, but a bit of a tosser...). You can actually hear me on three or four albums but there next to impossible to get hold of, and I'm not particularly good...! As to instruction manuals, I never got on with them, but you could always give one a go. I learned by listening and copying, along with a few hints from more proficient players. There are, needless to say, some obsessional web-sites (any browser will get you to them). I could go on and on but work has snagged me with her cruel, crooked hand... jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:22:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: attn: Alice Cooper fans On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Eb wrote: > Sure, why not? I can't even hum the verse of "School's Out," myself. [All on one note] "Well we got no innocence And we got no principles And we got no [???] We can't even think of a word that rhymes" Can't remember any more ... - - Mike Godwin PS What is this mania for "School's Out", anyway? "Under My Wheels" is the one! n.p. Tom Petty's "American Gull" for all the twitchers at Swindon sewage works ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:36:33 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: coopermania On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > PS What is this mania for "School's Out", anyway? > "Under My Wheels" is the one! "Under my wheels ~ the girl who once ~ had me down ... " waitaminnit, that's not right... - -- d. ps. coming to dc to protest the inauguration? come to galaxy hut afterwards for the loser's ball. two of my bands will play short sets, so this is shameless self promotion, but there's lots of great music besides. www.galaxyhut.com for details. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:45:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: harp hints I agree with jmbc about Little Walter and Sonny Boy Williamson (II). But the one I would go for is James Cotton of the Muddy Waters band - totally sympathetic, always right there. And going more into jazz, Toots Thielmans is fab. I once attended a workshop given by Johnny Mars who was living over here at the time. Don't know if he still is. Jack Bruce used to do a train blues feature with Cream, which I think he learned from Sonny Boy, or possibly Sonny Terry. I think most blues harpists will do a similar number if pressed. In Bath we have a first class player named Jamie Matthews who has been with the Daily Planet - http://www.dailyplanet.co.uk/ - for several years. Until I watched him, I hadn't realised how important it is to use reverb and delay tastefully in order to get a lot of those harp effects. - - Mike "don't play the harp myself" Godwin PS Whatever happened to Lew Lewis? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:49:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: coopermania On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, dmw wrote: > "Under my wheels ~ the girl who once ~ had me down ... " > waitaminnit, that's not right... No, you're thinking of 'Under my thumb' by Jagger-Richards. This is the song from 'Killer' that goes: "Telephone is ringing, you got me on the run, I'm driving in my car now, anticipating fun" Full lyric at http://home.online.no/~tembla/alice/albums/killer.html#umw - - Mike Godwin n.p. The Dictators "Sleepin' with the TV on" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:53:03 +0100 From: Jonathan Moren Subject: Re: Here's a top 3 list for you At 20:16 2001-01-15 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.chartattack.com/top50/all100.html > > >- Steve And not a single non-English album among them! Geezs! I shall have to counter this with my Canadian top three, listed below. 1. Michel Faubert: Maudite mimoire 2. Reni Lussier: Le trisor de la langue 3. Les Granules: Soyez vigilants, restez vivants... J.M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:04:23 +0100 From: Jonathan Moren Subject: Re: Here's a top 3 list for you >1. Michel Faubert: Maudite mimoire >2. Reni Lussier: Le trisor de la langue "This machine kills French vowels". Just trying to get some accented e:s through here, but even that seems to be too hard. J.M. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #13 *******************************