From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #7 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: vh1 top 100 albums ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: vh1 top 100 albums ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: While waiting for the 12th [Eb ] Re: vh1 top 100 albums [Eb ] Re: While waiting for the 12th [steve ] Re: vh1 top 100 albums [Terrence Marks ] underwater moonlight [recount dracula ] mean magazine interview [recount dracula ] re: vh1 top 100 albums [Jeff Dwarf ] mad on ya ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Film (0% sci-fi or comic-book content, believe it or not) ["Stewart C] Re: Film (0% sci-fi or comic-book content, believe it or not) ["Stewart C] Re: mad on ya [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Baby Pool: "We Have A Winner!" ["John Bastin" ] [none] ["Irish Airman" ] RIP - Natural causes and murder ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: re: vh1 top 100 albums I own 53 of these titles if I counted correctly and unlike Jeff I'm not embarassed to say so. Yeah, there are plenty of arguable choices but it's really not a bad list compared to other top 100s I've seen. You have to go to #14 before you get to one I don't own...though that one's been hovering on my want list for about 25 years. However, very few of the other 46 I'm missing are on my want list. > 64. Miles Davis, "Bitches Brew" (1969) > 66. Miles Davis, "Kind of Blue" (1959) Okay, "Bitches Brew" I can sort of understand, but calling "Kind Of Blue" a Rock N Roll album? I don't think so. Jethro Tull is heavy metal WAY before "Kind Of Blue" is Rock N Roll. Noticably absent: Led Zeppelin's 4th (I would have expected this in the top 10. This *is* VH1, after all) Neil Young (After The Gold Rush or Harvest, for instance) Elton John (I would have expected Madman Across The Water at the least) The Kinks (several good ones but no clear cut favorite, unfortunately) ...and of course, Underwater Moonlight (okay, maybe in another 10 years, huh?) - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:06:43 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: vh1 top 100 albums Terry >>What gets me (and I'm surprised nobody notices this) is that there's >>no prog! Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Tarkus, Octopus, Three Friends, >>Yessongs, Soft Machine vol 1, Days of Future Passed, or In the Court of >>the Crimson King. I mean, _one_ of those has to be good enough. Eb > Um, the King Crimson debut is the only one of those albums which is even > remotely qualified for such a list. And if they were going to include a Yes > album, it would undoubtedly be Fragile or Close to the Edge rather than > Yessongs. I beg to differ. Days Of Future Passed used to always show up on these top 100 lists. Of course some of the people who voted back then are dead now... And surely Lamb Lies Down has to be at least *remotely* qualified. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:10:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: While waiting for the 12th Steve: >Go read Bill Nelson's diary, and then buy all his albums. I believe I've dumped 12 different Bill Nelson albums, and I'm sure that's a record for me. ;) Russ: >Elton John (I would have expected Madman Across The Water at the least) I would expect Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to be Elton's top candidate for an all-time list. I saw Redd Kross perform "Funeral for a Friend," once...that was pretty darn cool. (Though I've never owned an Elton John album, myself.) Eddie wrote about the new Coenbros film: >i was fairly disappointed. Huh! Eb, still sick with the Viper Room Flu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:24:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: vh1 top 100 albums >I beg to differ. Days Of Future Passed used to always show up on these top >100 lists. Of course some of the people who voted back then are dead now... The passage of time has wreaked major havoc on the Moody Blues' stature. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:23:50 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: While waiting for the 12th Chris Franz: >>Go read Bill Nelson's diary, and then buy all his albums. > >erm.... all 45 of them? Right now? > >"Sound on Sound," "Quit Dreaming and Get On The Beam," and "The Love >That Whirls" are fantastic, but I've ended up with a few pretty forgettable, >mostly instrumental albums as well. What else is worth chasing down? Looking at what's listed at CDNow, I'd say: After the satellite sings - like the old stuff, but with "jungle" drums (not as odd as it sounds, as Bill's always been percussion heavy) Atom Shop - diverse, but with some killer pop songs Blue Moons And Laughing Guitars - demos for a new BeBop Deluxe tour that never got off the ground Weird Critters & Confessions Of A Hyperdreamer - parts of a two CD set, some instrumentals with found vocals, some pop songs Deep Dream Decoder & Electricity Made Us Angels & Buddha Head - parts of a four CD set (only three released as single albums), mostly pop songs, with a few short instrumentals Practically Wired, Or How I Became Guitar Boy - Bill shows off his guitar power - electric, acoustic, and ebow Northern Dream is early stuff, Culturemix is an album Bill produced and played on, What Now, What Next? is a two CD comp of later stuff, and Crimsworth is music for an art instillation - - Steve __________ Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life. - Lord John Whorfin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:00:01 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: vh1 top 100 albums On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Eb wrote: > Terrence flowered: > >What gets me (and I'm surprised nobody notices this) is that there's > >no prog! Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Tarkus, Octopus, Three Friends, > >Yessongs, Soft Machine vol 1, Days of Future Passed, or In the Court of > >the Crimson King. I mean, _one_ of those has to be good enough. > > Um, the King Crimson debut is the only one of those albums which is even > remotely qualified for such a list. I find it difficult to believe that the Rolling Stones had four albums that were completely and unequivically better than anything to come out of the entire progressive rock movement. Now, I'll admit that these bands didn't have a chance, and I didn't expect to see them, especially on a VH1 poll, but I say they're up there with Nilsson Schmillson or Crime of the Century on the "remotely qualified" list. > And if they were going to include a Yes > album, it would undoubtedly be Fragile or Close to the Edge rather than > Yessongs. I've always considered Yessongs their best; it's the only triple-album that I can listen to in one sitting and it's got less filler than The White Album or Songs in the Key of Life. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:53:34 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: underwater moonlight spotted this in the latest ear-rational catalog update: >The Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight...And How It Got There 2CD [OLE500:f] >Matador $15.00 >RELEASE DATE: MARCH 13, 2001. "Matador is pleased to bring you one of >the most essential records of the last three decades: the definitive >reissue of The Soft Boys Underwater Moonlight. In addition to the original >1980 album and the extra tracks featured on the long out-of -print Ryko >one-CD set, the Matador version adds a second disc with the rehearsal >sessions illustrating the creation of this landmark recording. This second >disc is entitled ...And How It Got There. Featuring the Soft Boys' best >loved lineup of Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Morris Windsor and Matthew >Seligman, Underwater Moonlight is one of the most brilliant rock'n'roll >records of that generation or any other." also, someone sent me a note saying that he'd gotten a promo copy of the first disc of the re-release. the track listing on it follows: I wanna destroy you Kingdom of love Positive vibrations I got the hots Insanely jealous Tonight You'll have to go sideways Old pervert The queen of eyes Underwater moonlight He's a reptile Vegetable man Strange Only the stones remain Where are the prawns? Dreams Black snake diamond rock There's nobody like you Song #4 woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:58:23 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: mean magazine interview fegs, jim yoakum, the fellow who sent me the track listing for the _underwatr moonlight_ re-issue, is going to be interviewing robyn for mean magazine shortly. jim's kindly agreed to accept suggestions for questions to ask robyn, so if you have any burning issues you'd like robyn to address, e-mail them to jim at MrPither12@aol.com by this tuesday, january 9th. thanks again jim! woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: re: vh1 top 100 albums Russ Reynolds wrote: > I own 53 of these titles if I counted correctly and unlike Jeff I'm > not embarassed to say so. i wasn't embarassed, i was _APPALLED_. whether it's because i have 40 of them or because they only put 40 albums i have on their list, i'm still not yet sure. haven't really thought about it much thought though; too busy suffering from guilt of rooting for the bloody raiders on saturday. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:31:41 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: mad on ya >From: Jeff Dwarf > >the lauryn hill thing seems to be extreme in terms of the reactions it >gets; sort of like eminem, but for oprah viewers. I don't think it's a _bad_ album (I still own it, after all). I just think it's drastically, astronomically overhyped (like, I assume, Eminem, though I haven't heard any of his albums start to finish). I have trouble listening to it because it's very dense and crenellated. It's like trying to eat a whole loaf of heavy whole wheat bread at one sitting with only a tiny pat of butter (That Single). >actually, i thought Appetite for Destruction and Like a Prayer were >solid choices, even though I don't have and don't care about having >either. GNR probably don't get as much credit for chopping down the >80's hair bands/drag queens as they deserve; if AFD doesn't hit first, >nevermind can't completely obliterate it. I'll buy that argument, I suppose (I have both albums, naturally). >and the singles of LAP were >certainly among the more interesting ones madonna's done musically. Hmmm...I guess. But the other thing that's unique about _Like a Prayer_, among all of Madonna's mainline albums (so I'm discounting the soundtracks and compilations), is that it's so heavily pop and so light on dance. _Like a Virgin_ is a distant second in that respect. > and >she is great at being a pop star, which is more than you can say for >most. she works hard at the job, and actually understands that stirring >up shit is an important part of it. Yet she doesn't take that to Courtney Love-like extremes -- she stirs up shit without looking out of control or losing her aura of integrity (though _Sex_ brought her close to losing it). I Madonna. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:05:33 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Film (0% sci-fi or comic-book content, believe it or not) Eb wrote: > > Isn't anyone going to post any personal comments/observations/reviews about > "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" Apart from the slightly heavy-handed Homer references, I loved it; the swirling Dapper Dan cans especially. It opened ages ago here (for some reason -- it's now on its third run). The soundtrack album, while excellent, doesn't need four slightly different versions of "Man of Constant Sorrow". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:07:13 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Film (0% sci-fi or comic-book content, believe it or not) steve wrote: > > It doesn't open wide until the 12th. In the meantime we can discuss > Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I liked it. I don't usually go for martial arts action melos, but this was fun. The Mongolian interlude (gers, not yurts, puh-lease) had neat scenery. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: mad on ya "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > >From: Jeff Dwarf > > > >the lauryn hill thing seems to be extreme in terms of the reactions > >it gets; sort of like eminem, but for oprah viewers. > > I don't think it's a _bad_ album (I still own it, after all). I just > think it's drastically, astronomically overhyped (like, I assume, > Eminem, though I haven't heard any of his albums start to finish). I > have trouble listening to it because it's very dense and crenellated. > It's like trying to eat a whole loaf of heavy whole wheat bread at > one sitting with only a tiny pat of butter (That Single). well, like lauryn hill before him, eminem is filling the "popular and credible hiphop artist semi-grizzled old rock stars talk about liking and respecting a lot" role. seeing schmaltzy producer david foster sing the praises of eminem on cnn over the weekend had to be one of the funniest moments of tv i've seen in a while. the piling on of "he's a genius, but i don't listen to him" statements is hysterical. i hope it's making him miserable. > >she is great at being a pop star, which is more than you can say for > >most. she works hard at the job, and actually understands that > >stirring up shit is an important part of it. > > Yet she doesn't take that to Courtney Love-like extremes -- she stirs > up shit without looking out of control or losing her aura of > integrity (though _Sex_ brought her close to losing it). I > Madonna. and even that was merely self-indulgent and pretentious (her prog-rock period, but naked and photographic); there was never any real sense that she was truly out of control, just really creepily rude. now, if she's just stop making movies. ===== "With [Amnesiac] we are definitely having singles, videos, glossy magazine celebrity photo shoots, children's television appearances, film premiere appearances, dance routines, and many interesting interviews about my tortured existence." -- Thom Yorke Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:19:26 -0400 From: "John Bastin" Subject: Re: Baby Pool: "We Have A Winner!" >I don't know what the rest of you were doing Christmas day, but my wife >and I were having a baby girl. > >Audrey Nicole Keating Palmer born at 6:15 am December 25th, 2000. > >No one had this exact time, but John Bastin was pretty darn close. >Dec 25th 12am - 5:59am John Bastin > >John, > >Feel free to pick anything off my list and if I ever get more than 20 >minutes sleep at a time, I should be able to make this and get it off to >you no problem. > > http://home.netcom.com/~plpalmer Kewl... Congratulations are in order for both of us, then... I was almost a Chistmas baby myself, born the 26th at 5:45 am. Christmas would be a better day to be born than the day after, I figure, if only for the "cachet"... Anyways, saw the pictures and they be sweet. I have two of my own and they're the best thing that ever happened to me... Besides winning this "contest," of course ;) As for a selection, I'm not sure... It's quite a list you have there... Anything definitve or superlative by Robyn would be cool, or maybe Dan Bern, Elliot Smith, Aimee Mann & Michael Penn??. I'm open to suggestions?? And thanks :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:46:46 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Film (0% sci-fi or comic-book content, believe it or not) >> It doesn't open wide until the 12th. In the meantime we can discuss >> Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I liked it. Stewart C. Russell: >I don't usually go for martial arts action melos, but this was fun. The >Mongolian interlude (gers, not yurts, puh-lease) had neat scenery. I care nothing for the HK cop films, but stuff like A Chinese Ghost Story rules. - - Steve __________ I'd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:32:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Oh brother Jon Fetter writes, > It still hasn't come to my area. I guess it isn't going to, not >even to the local art theater, the Allen Ruch Theater. Sigh. Well, LJ and I just saw "Oh Brother Where Art Thou?" at the local art theater, The Von Ruchenstein on Court Street. LJ hated it, I loved it. I think that's going to pretty much be where most people will fall -- you'll either love it or want to walk out. Now, like all Coen Brothers movies, I think there were some awkward moments and flat gags, but the music was incredible, and I was amazed at the sheer audacity of the thing -- they wove together every single American myth from the Depression and post-Depression years, worked it over a framework pried loose from Homer's "The Odyssey," and then set it as a blues/folk musical! It was just so crazy I fell in love with it immediately. I mean, it wasn't even a nostalgic look at the the times -- it was simply mythological. They also borrowed a few anachronisms (Elvis references) and added some cynicism (especially regarding politicians and the hijacking of music by political/corporate interests) but overall it still worked. Now, I do think there were a few messy transitions, and a couple of oddly preachy moments; but some of the individual sequences were like nothing I've seen in a long time -- the opening chain gang, the sirens at the river, and the KKK rally, which managed to seem silly, sinister, and actually beautiful all at once. I think this one is going to confuse and disappoint a lot of people, but I think it's one of the best things I've ever seen by the Coen Brothers, myself.... (My favorites are "Hudsucker Proxy" and "Barton Fink.") (Sorry, Eddie.) Waiting for "Thirteen Days," - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." --Vice President Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:24:07 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: [none] Dr Moose wrote: >"And what was a Ballot? Was it silver or gold? Were they counting up treasure? A fortune untold? No! Just some dumb punch-card! They were counting up holes! Oh, the holes! Yes, the holes! Oh, the HOLES! HOLES! HOLES! HOLES! The whole thing depended on Circles of Air - Not to mention the half-holes, and holes that weren't there, But that wanted to be there, and thought that was fair." Im several digest behind--but just in case no one has done this bit yet... How many holes does it take to fill the White House? Jeff Dwarf wrote: >and the eagles >are just a fucking warbling human rights violation. Love that. Thank you. Whenever I have to thole my way thru unavoidable expossure to Don Henleyism...I will mouth those words to myself and feel--so much better. Tom Clark wrote-- >You're telling me Jeff Beck's "Blow By Blow" is a worse album than "Like A Prayer"? You could easily argue the case the Blow by Blow was actually much more influencial than Like a Prayer. Madonna was influencial--but not her music . Did anyone notice that the Replacements were ranked higher than REM. I found that interesting, but am not sure it rings right. Steve wrote about Brother where art thou... >It doesn't open wide until the 12th. In the meantime we can discuss >Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I liked it. First BWAT. I was doing a "darkness" hitlist from napster--and wanted to explore the different versions of Man/Maid of Constant Sorrow(specially since I want to put it after the Stones cut "Let it Loose" which refs it.) Well-could I find anything --but-- the soggy bottom boys or whatever their name is? Noooo. So--can anyone give me names of people who've covered it in interesting ways--aside from Dylan, Collins and Stewart? As for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon--loved it. An incredible folk tale. It drowns you in beauty. Any movie that feels like a dream, that feels as real, interesting and meaningful as a dream(vr standard movie dream crap)--well--my critical faculties go happily out the window. Plus I cant beleive it wasn't made by a woman. Its got such a feminine sensibility plus a triple goddess motif. Am I raving this way about a martial arts film? Yes, I am. K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:53:11 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: RIP - Natural causes and murder Mejla Hlavsa - Founder of Czechoslovakia's legendary dissident rock band, Plastic People Of The Universe. Just seen a stage version of The Hobbit in London. It's set to tour the country this year. If any fegs are planning to see it I'll just warn you that I think it's crap. Happy New Year everyone, if you believe in that sort of thing. jmbc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #7 ******************************