From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #376 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 21 2000 Volume 09 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: from the Telegraph [Eb ] Re: from the Telegraph [Scary Mary ] reap [recount dracula ] Re: that was the year that nothing changed [Asshole Motherfucker ] unusual eagle fucking - a tangential rant (ignore at will) [grutness@surf] I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... [Carole Reichstein ] RE: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Kirsty MacColl [Cynthia Peterson ] Re: bend over, everyone [Terrence Marks ] RE: bend over, everyone ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: from the Telegraph [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: bend over, everyone [Terrence Marks ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] Re: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:22:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: from the Telegraph quoted article: >MacColl also hated performing live, suffering as she did from stage fright. Huh, I didn't know that. Makes me more glad that I got to see her perform, once. (It was at the Troubadour in November, 1993, in case anyone cares -- the same period when I interviewed her. Opening was current critic's fave David Gray, interestingly enough.) Incidentally, I was a bit startled upon seeing MacColl in person -- her face was densely freckled, yet she has this glowing, ivory complexion in almost any picture you see of her. Strange. Quail: >[The French] have also produced some of the most astonishing art and >philosophy.... I also respect their greatness, especially >when manifested in people like Voltaire, Sartre, Monet, Debussy, >Messaien, Boulez, and so on.... And don't forget Claudine Longet...jeez Quail, I'm disappointed in you! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:45:02 -0500 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: from the Telegraph I had no idea she hated performing live either. She was really wonderful the one time I got to see her - very engaging with the audience. The club was really small so we were all huddled close by her. She even covered the Ramones' which was fun. I am really saddened by this news too. - I couldn't even respond to the group yesterday. I don't have her latest cd but I have most of her earlier stuff. She's one of my favourite female artists - I love her voice and her lyrics. Truly a sad day for me... S.Mary np - Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun At 12:22 PM 12/20/2000 -0700, Eb the Impaler wrote: >quoted article: > >MacColl also hated performing live, suffering as she did from stage fright. > >Huh, I didn't know that. Makes me more glad that I got to see her perform, >once. (It was at the Troubadour in November, 1993, in case anyone cares -- >the same period when I interviewed her. Opening was current critic's fave >David Gray, interestingly enough.) > >Incidentally, I was a bit startled upon seeing MacColl in person -- her >face was densely freckled, yet she has this glowing, ivory complexion in >almost any picture you see of her. Strange. > >Quail: > >[The French] have also produced some of the most astonishing art and > >philosophy.... I also respect their greatness, especially > >when manifested in people like Voltaire, Sartre, Monet, Debussy, > >Messaien, Boulez, and so on.... > >And don't forget Claudine Longet...jeez Quail, I'm disappointed in you! > >Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:57:07 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: reap robert buck of 10,000 maniacs... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:53:30 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: that was the year that nothing changed umm...december 29. O Brother, Where Art Thou?. i declare Quills the most overrated movie since The Truman Show, by the way. yeah, but not because of anything that happened this go-'round. i gave up on electoral politics a long, long, long time ago. you know the old saying: "if elections changed anything, they'd be illegal. " (and vivien, aren't you the one that wouldn't have been voting had it not been for the nader candidacy?) i believe it's long out of print. of course, now with this new-fangeld "internet" technology, you should be able to scare one up easily enough. i hear that in florida, 13% of registered democrats voted for bush, and 3% voted for nader. and that these figures by-and-large hold nationally. well, it's not as though discarding the electoral college system would do anything to change the democrats' and republicans' stranglehold on the presidency. if you're specifically talking about bush, that was just a freak occurence. i could have easily worked out the other way around. truth is, half the people stayed home, and the other half were so disenchanged by *both* candidates that they either voted for nader, or tossed a dart. 'specially considering they're essentially in agreement on *everything*. KEN "Doing business as" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:14:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: my new favorite artist ;) http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=246961974/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=E.B.+DA+DADDY+OF+DA+HOOD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:47:25 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: unusual eagle fucking - a tangential rant (ignore at will) >I am an American, and I am proud to be an American. [...] I >am glad I love my country enough that I can feel such shame when she >disappoints me. I also love my country enough that I feel proud when >she does something good. In fact, the love I have for my country is >very similar to the love I have for a family member; it is deep, it >is real, and most of all, it is complex. > >Does that make me a blind jingo? I do not think so. Because I hope >that every person feels something similar about their country. I am >sure James feels the same about New Zealand, and Randi feels about >Canada, and so on. this is true (at least as far as I am concerned). The reason I've been involved in the argument at all is to provide some sort of alternative, outsider's view. And there is a difference, too, between myself as an average New Zealander and many Americans - I believe my country is a great nation, but not a Great Nation. That is, I think that the place is a wonderful, beautiful place, and that at least some of the things we do here we do well, appropriately, or in the right way. I am proud of my country. BUT, I do not believe that it is a beacon to the free world, showing the way that Things Must Be Done. We are not a major world force with the moral obligation and right to exert authority or pressure on other nations, nor is everything we do automatically acceptable because we have God and right on our sides. We are a small country, one of many that have to share this planet, all with their own views and with equal right to exert those views. I may find some of those views abhorrent personally, and will support the rights of those who suffer from these views. But I will not automatically accept that anyone who does things in a different way to the way they are done here is wrong. I realise that many of the Americans on this list, be their political views more aligned with GSS, Eddie, jbmc or the Quail, are sensible enough and open minded enough to respect the views of others and the ways of others, even if they do not agree with them, but it seems to me there is a significant section of the American public who do not understand that others will not always agree with their way of doing things. And... erm... what was the question again? James np - Split Enz - Six months in a leaky boat James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... I'm a bit tired of the political thread, so here's a question. I thought it suited Fegdom. The question is this: Tell me about your most favorite bike that you've ever owned. It can be your "banana seat" bike from the seventies, or it could be your 25-speed mountain bike that you currently own. Why do I ask this? I just scored a wonderful, wonderful bike from Good[bad]will for $10, a 1963 Huffy Sportsman, with a Sturmey Archer Hub, a 3 speed shifter on the right hand grip, black and white with white paint on the edges of the fenders. Oh, how happy I was to take advantage of Goodwill (who normally charge $15 for crappy, rusty bikes) who didn't know what they were selling. Half a dozen of my coworkers have ridden my bike around the bookstore, going "wheee!" Now how cool is that? Bicycle love stories please! Carole ps: isn't there a picture of Robyn riding a bike on the Museum web page? What kind of a bike is this? I suspect it's a cruiser as well... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Carole Reichstein wrote: > Tell me about your most favorite bike that you've ever owned. It can be > your "banana seat" bike from the seventies, or it could be your 25-speed > mountain bike that you currently own. pretty much the latter. she's a jamis tangier with shimano hardware, more of a crossbike than a mountain bike. 21 speed, grip shift. when my previous tangier was stolen (from my living room, if you please, or was the previous one the one they decapitated a parking meter to get? i forget which was which, now.) i got as near a replacement as i could manage. new york chain lock & two kryptonite u locks (that's frame, wheel, wheel) add weight wher'e'er i go, and have doubtless contributed to this one lasting longer than all the others...it must've been october (?) before i did the aids ride, so, um, 3 years and a bit. i only lock to things move massive than parking meters, and we have bars on *ALL* our widnows now. i still have a soft spot for my first bike, a trek 800 (also stolen!) that i got in my late 20's. i learned to ride on my girlfriend's bike when i was 25 or so, and bought the closest equivalent i could find. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:47:43 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... Carole: > a 1963 Huffy Sportsman, with a Sturmey Archer Hub, > a 3 speed shifter on the right hand grip, black and white with white paint > on the edges of the fenders. dmw: > she's a jamis tangier with shimano hardware, more > of a crossbike than a mountain bike. 21 speed, grip shift. Not much of a bike person myself, but I'd pay good money to see Carole's bike whip dmw's bike's ass. Nothing personal. I had a Huffy in the late 60s and early 70s, red. Don't remember any other specs, but it had these little neon plastic things that slid up and down the spokes and made noise when I rode. That was cool. Otherwise it was quite homely, and something of an embarrassment. Cool kids had what I think they called "spider bikes": banana seats, these big swooping handlebars, and a "sissy bar" (?) in the back (I know I'm hopeless; maybe bike people will correct my terminology). One xmas I begged my parents for a new bike like the ones these kids had. What I got was an abomination: my dad replaced the sensible triangular seat on my Huffy with a banana seat, and replaced the sensible handlebars with these swooping things (thankfully the sissy bar was beyond his skill/patience). It was this monstrosity that drove my attention away from bikes (and subsequently cars) and toward guitars and drugs where it rightfully belonged. What kind of bike does Ralph Nader ride when he's not spoiling everything? (Sorry, Carole, there's no escape). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:25:16 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: from the Telegraph >Johnny Marr, a guitarist with the group The Smiths, said she had "the wit of >Ray Davies and the harmonic invention of the Beach Boys," and Bono, the >lead singer of U2, described her as "the Noel Coward of her generation". both of these quotes comes from the liner notes to the collection _galore_. depressingly, you'll also find this from kirsty herself: Special thanks to my friends who contributed liner notes and made it possible for me to revel the flory without the inconvenience of actually dying. damn. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:31:56 -0800 From: Cynthia Peterson Subject: RE: Kirsty MacColl There was even a short article on the front page of the Arts section of the Seattle PI this morning. Beautiful picture, too! I didn't even know Seattle was aware of her. I sense a posthumous popularity surge coming on. Too little, too late, too sad... (I know, I know: I shouldn't be reading the P.I. while they're striking -- I just picked up a used copy on the ferry so I could working on the crossword.) CP - -----Original Message----- Incidentally, I'm surprised/pleased with the large volume of response to her death. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:27:22 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: bend over, everyone On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, GSS wrote: > The 'star wars' missile defense system don't fucking work and second even > if it did work as envisioned, and it wouldn't stop the delivery of a > nuclear weapon in the trunk of a car, in a train, in a truck, in ship or > by any of the other unconventional methods of delivery and that should be > the biggest fear we should have as far as that shit goes. 1) There's not much we can do about that pre-emptively that doesn't involve shutting off a majority of our trade. 2) It's not in anyone's strategic interest to do this to us. It doesn't prevent us from using our nuclear arsenal against whomever was responsible and nor weaken the country enough to prevent conventional retaliation. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:42:01 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: bend over, everyone Terrence: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, GSS wrote: > > > The 'star wars' missile defense system don't fucking work and > second even > > if it did work as envisioned, and it wouldn't stop the delivery of a > > nuclear weapon in the trunk of a car, in a train, in a truck, in ship or > > by any of the other unconventional methods of delivery and that > should be > > the biggest fear we should have as far as that shit goes. > > > 1) There's not much we can do about that pre-emptively that doesn't > involve shutting off a majority of our trade. > > 2) It's not in anyone's strategic interest to do this to us. It doesn't > prevent us from using our nuclear arsenal against whomever was responsible > and nor weaken the country enough to prevent conventional > retaliation. Well, that's a relief. Hear that, terrorists? Might as well not even bother; it would be unreasonable! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: from the Telegraph recount dracula wrote: >>Johnny Marr, a guitarist with the group The Smiths, said she had >>"the wit of Ray Davies and the harmonic invention of the Beach Boys," >>and Bono, the lead singer of U2, described her as "the Noel Coward of >>her generation". actually he wrote _Noelle_ Coward, but... > both of these quotes comes from the liner notes to the collection > _galore_. depressingly, you'll also find this from kirsty herself: > > Special thanks to my friends who contributed liner notes and made > it possible for me to revel the flory without the inconvenience of > actually dying. > > damn. i had the same reaction when i read that yesterday. there's also in the linner notes to _What do Pretty Girl do?_ (a BBC comp btw), to the effect that she wants to continue doing what she does and continue getting better at it until she dies. i haven't felt this completely bummed out about a pseudo-semi-famous person dying since maybe Phil Hartman. ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: bend over, everyone On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > > 1) There's not much we can do about that pre-emptively that doesn't > > involve shutting off a majority of our trade. > > > > 2) It's not in anyone's strategic interest to do this to us. It doesn't > > prevent us from using our nuclear arsenal against whomever was responsible > > and nor weaken the country enough to prevent conventional > > retaliation. > > Well, that's a relief. Hear that, terrorists? Might as well not even > bother; it would be unreasonable! Ok. It's not in any nation's strategic interests. Terrorism is a different bag entirely. Of course, Star Wars isn't being marketed as an anti-terrorist measure. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:14:49 -0500 From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons Well, I went to see it opening weekend myself. I didn't have high expectations, as I've said since I first heard of this film that it's nigh-impossible to boil the essence of the game down into two hours, but I went pretty much to see the cameos by Richard O'Brien ("We see you, Riff")as the Thieves Guild master and Tom "Dr. Who"Baker in his (one lousy!) scene as an elf lord. Both were great (Although Baker has gotten pretty damn fat over the years), as were some of the CGI shots of the castle/city and elven tree city, but even they couldn't save this piece of celluloid caca. Some of my beefs, in no specific order- -why must all fantasy/sci-fi films feel the need to rip off "Star Wars"? "D&D" certainly does. We have Thora Birch as the Queen Amidala character, Jeremy Irons (whom I know is a good actor-he does have an Oscar, after all, but here he resorts to a copy of B-Movie Villain 101 as guidance. He must have needed gas money when he agreed to do this ) as the conniving Senator Palpatine-like character, and Bruce Payne as the second bannana villain, who appears to be a graduate of the Enunciate-Every-Friggin-Syllable-You-Say-So-As-To-Appear-Menacing School of Villainy (sorry, but this doesn't even work for bad guys in Troma Movies)who does his best Darth Vader impression (the friends I went to this with even noticed that the music for Payne's entrances even sounded eerily similar to the Imperial March). I'm sorry, but even if you have a big, nasty-looking broadsword, black armor, a bald head with freaky red veins all over it, if you have blue lipstick on, I simply do not find you intimidating. - -The dialogue-I've already mentioned how awful Payne's lines were-I was wincing whenever he opened his mouth (Oh, yeah, What was the deal with Payne's Wolverine claws? Must this film rip off all other fantsy genre films?), but most of the dialogue about the power struggle between the empress and the mages' council just had me going "huh?" Poor Thora Birch. She's cute, and I'm sure a good actress, but even she has a hard time and looks uncomfortable spewing out all her quasi-mystical jibberish. - -What? No clerics? i can understand the reason for leaving out halflings (Achoo! LordoftheRings...), but I would have liked to see clerics, even if they were of fictitious for-the-movie deities. - -All the sequel hints that were dropped throughout the movie. Apparently, Jimmy Olsen has a greater destiny ahead of him, one that the elves know something about... Speaking of elves, what was the deal with the elf character? A black elf? Was she a renegade drow? Huh? I was a little disappointed with this character, as I was always a big elf fan when I used to play. And, believe it or not, I didn't mind the dwarf. yes, he was awfully tall, but he seemed to be the only cjharacter the screenwriters did right. I just wish they had given him a name, though. - -Rich Z. >From: Brian Cully >Reply-To: Brian Cully >To: Terrence Marks , Salmon are go! > >Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:55:51 -0500 > >At 10:46 AM 12/13/2000, Terrence Marks wrote: >>Since nobody else has complained about it yet, I take it I'm the only feg >>who got suckered into seeing this horrible, horrible movie. > >I saw the trailer and was suitably turned off from the movie. > >Speaking of which, I saw the trailer for Tomb Raider recently, and I think >it's safe for me to dub it "Worst Movie of 2001". > >-bjc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:02:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I've got a bike you can ride it if you like... >I'm a bit tired of the political thread, so here's a question. I thought >it suited Fegdom. The question is this: > >Tell me about your most favorite bike that you've ever owned. I suppose mine would be a yaller banana-seat bicycle I had around the ages of 5-7 (?). It was my first real bike, and it had a couple of weird luxuries: a little push-button electric horn on one of the grips, and *one* handbrake (the footbrake worked, too). I don't really have any "stories" about it, beyond just picturing myself riding around the idyllic, blue-skied, flat-as-a-board streets of Miami when I was a wee tyke. It came with me when my family moved back to California. We lived in a large apartment complex for the first couple of years, and there was an outdoor stairway which led up to our second-floor apartment. I kept the bike padlocked to the metal railing outside our front door. After living there awhile, it was stolen during the night. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Richard Zeszotarski wrote: > Speaking of elves, what was the deal with the elf character? A black elf? > Was she a renegade drow? Huh? I was a little disappointed with this > character, as I was always a big elf fan when I used to play. Drow are supposed to have black (not brown. black) skin and white hair. She seemed more of a black-person-playing-a-standard-elf. > And, believe it or not, I didn't mind the dwarf. yes, he was awfully tall, > but he seemed to be the only cjharacter the screenwriters did right. I just > wish they had given him a name, though. He didn't _do_ anything. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #376 *******************************