From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #366 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 09 : Number 366 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Personal: A gentle request for help from the Fegnet [The Great Quail ] more unnecessary Aerosmith trivia [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: bend over, everyone [GSS ] bowie compilation, prisoner-simpsons rh 0.09% [tlr3@email.unc.edu (tom)] Re: SXSW [Henry Krinkle ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [Ben ] Re: SXSW [GSS ] Re: bend over, everyone [Michael R Godwin ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [Aaron Mandel ] Re: bowie compilation, prisoner-simpsons rh 0.09% [Eb ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons [Brian Cully ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons [Eb ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons [Terrence Marks ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: The Emperor's New Clothes [Eb ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons ["J. Brown" ] Re: Dungeons and Dragons [Terrence Marks ] My top ten... [Julie Nelson ] this is travis tap ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:52:59 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Personal: A gentle request for help from the Fegnet Hey, Fegs! After a long period of deliberation and several recounts, I have decided to post this letter. As many of you know, a year and a half ago I started running the Libyrinth as a professional venture. Now renamed The Modern Word, most things have been going swimmingly. In fact, we are adding two new sites soon (Woolf & Beckett) and the wonderful Michael Dirda (Washington Book World) has just joined our Literary Board of Advisors. The only snag is, there is very very little money involved in all this. In fact, we have barely enough to wander through the next year, sticking to a wee budget and hoping one day people will get all warm and fuzzy about investing in dot-coms again, especially one that deals with postmodern literature! So, despite things going well content-wise, I have no money for a staff, or PR, or that yacht I had my eye on. (To have been christened the EDDIE TEWS, by the way.) But what I do have is a wide network of highly intelligent, opinionated, and diverse people. yes, I am referring to the FegNet, that nebulous and oft-cranky entity that the US Government lists in between the Society for Creative Anachronism and The Goldfish Fanciers on the List of Organizations to Call Up in a Time of National Emergency. (Such a list does, by the way, exist.) (I am uncertain about the exact place the Goldfish Fanciers have on it, though. I made that part up.) Soooo..... I am about to propose several ways that any interested Feg can help out, if they are so inclined, on this literary endeavor of mine. I will list them in order of increasing involvement. If you find this distasteful, delete now, and preserve your innocence of my quailish mendacity. 1. Sign up for Spiral-Bound. This is the monthly newsletter that I write and fellow-Feg Chris Gross copy-edits. It details small bits of literary news, explains "what's new?" on the site, usually contains a "Book of the Month" review; and hopefully soon, will have other features such as essays and more reviews. You can sign up from the main page: http://www.TheModernWord.com The more people that are on this register, the better it looks to people who want to work with us. And I promise you, we will never sell your email address! (Except to the Scientologists.) 2. Use the site for Amazon.com shopping. I don't know how many of you shop at Amazon.com, but if you bookmark this link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/thelibyrinth And use it to go to Amazon.com every time you visit, The Modern Word gets a tiny "finder's fee." But what is more important than this (And really, it's not a lot of money!) is the *hits* we register at their site. The more people that visit Amazon.com through the Modern Word, the better leverage we have with them to *finally* get our editorial materials listed as "professional" reviews. If you shop at Alibris or Levenger, you can visit the Modern Word and go through those banners and links as well, but they are less important to the gods Mammon and Hitcount than are the sites of Mr. Bezos. 3. Spread the word of the Essay Contest. As some of you may know, we are hosting an essay contest: http://www.themodernword.com/essaycontest.html The contest is open to all high school-age students, asking them to answer the question "Who is the most influential writer of the twentieth century?" I am proud to say that we have gained the support of some wonderful sponsors, including the Great Books Foundation, Channel Thirteen/WNET and the Humanities and Sciences Academy and Institute. In fact, the HSAI has offered to award each of the three winners with the 60-volume Britannica set, "The Great Books of the Western World!" (I wish that *I* could enter and win this!) (Maybe I will enter under a pseudonym..) And additionally, as an incentive to teachers, the Great Books Foundation has offered the English teachers of the winners a nine-volume anthology of works by classic and modern authors. First prize also includes $1500 in college money. Our only real problem is exposure -- we simply lack the resources for a full-blown PR campaign. Though Channel Thirteen is announcing it in the New York newsletter, we are still depending on general hits and word-of-mouth to get enough entries to really justify all the hoopla. But, if you could all help out by spreading word of this contest to any party that might be interested -- teachers, students, administrators, guidance counselors, people in reading groups and book clubs, very literate shrubs and zoo animals, and of course parents. The deadline is January 31, 2001, which seems right around the corner. (I can almost hear "Also Sprach Zarathustra" in my head...) I can also send a Microsoft Word-file "Essay Handout" to you or any interested student or teacher. Just let me know! 4. Write for the site! Yes, you too can play a critic on the Internet! I am always looking for book reviews of modern novels that are literate, hip, and slightly to ridiculously postmodern. If the review is germane to a particular author site, that's great. But Spiral-Bound is the *perfect* place to feature more "random" reviews - -- I would love to expand it a bit with more reviews, essays, etc. revolving around the topic of modern literature. For instance, a pen-pal friend of mine, Richard Behrens, is reviewing "Cryptonomicon" for the next issue. (I reviewed "House of Leaves" for the last.) I can't pay anyone, but think of the thrill of thousands of strange people reading your opinions! And not just Fegs! You can also help out with the new sites on Woolf and Beckett, if you so choose.... Let me know and I can get you a "sneak peak" URL. 5. Write about the site! If anyone has any editorial power in any magazine, newsletter, newspaper, 'Zine or Web site, well.... If you really think that The Modern Word.com is a valuable and cool site, why don't you say so? Hell, even if you think the site sucks, write a hateful tirade against it. At least that gets word out there. 6. Buy Joycean artwork from the Gallery for all your loved ones this holiday season, sign up for every class that Gotham Writers Workshop offers, and then sell your worldly possessions and donate your life to the Cult of the Quail. I can promise you, you won't regret it. (That is, after the Finnegans Wake Brainwashing sessions....) 7. Send Mark Gloster a box of rubber sharks. I really am not at liberty to reveal exactly how this will help, but trust me on this one.... Anyway, I hope this wasn't too gauche, and I hope this letter is taken in the spirit of helping out literature rather than promoting capitalism. (I assure you, the only profits around here are misspellings of my various religious titles.) - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:28:37 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) I want to be the first to say it -- Yaaaay Queen! You go, girl! - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:32:17 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes Eb wrote: > > There was *someone* on this list raving about Badly Drawn Boy ages ago, > wasn't there? me, I think. I like him a lot. But I think I like the new Eels live album (which I got yesterday morning, whee) even better. Bits of it were recorded in Glasgow!! Stewart (who, before signing off for the holidays, sends his ever-so-festive card: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/card2000.html ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Dungeons and Dragons Since nobody else has complained about it yet, I take it I'm the only feg who got suckered into seeing this horrible, horrible movie. Dungeons and Dragons was the worst movie I've seen in several years, on par with The Titanic. The dwarf was 5'6". It had Marlon "Loc-Dog" Wayans, playing the same damn character he plays in every Wayans Brothers movie. The movie's plot was all find-the-item and horribly forced. They were fighting for "equality of all men" and the movie ended with equality being declared and everybody cheering (cf. the post-Reconstruction American South and post-Revolution France). The swordfights only drew blood once. The lead character (a thief) outfights elite guards on a regular basis. And did I mention that the dwarf was 5'6" ? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:54:54 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: more unnecessary Aerosmith trivia > (I believe [Janie's Got A Gun] was written by Diane Warren, right? > And she obviously has the craft of insidiously catchy songwriting down to a > science....) > > Eb The insidious Diane Warren penned Aerosmith's "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing". Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:55:39 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: bend over, everyone On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Tracked is one thing, recorded and stored for seven years is > > something completely different. > > they probably do that anyway. No they don't. > > If that does not bother you, learn to make sheep noises and you > > will do well. All hail the state. > > what's particularly touching about your retort is that you seem > convinced that your government isn't doing the same. First, they are not, second if they were it would upset me enough to do something about it. It doesn't seem to worry you that this is even being proposed in the UK. In the US the closest thing we have is Carnivore, which the FBI uses. It is wrong and will be stopped. In the UK they are proposing to track all data transmission. I find it very disappointing that this does not bother you even a little. It seems as if you are bending to the state and accepting what they say or do as neccessary. Do you support this 'Super Carnivore'? All fuck the state, gss np-Close to me, the Cure damn, I forgot how much I liked this shit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:02:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: tlr3@email.unc.edu (tom) Subject: bowie compilation, prisoner-simpsons rh 0.09% eb asked about the bowie compilation. . . someone may have already answered this, but imho the compilation is one for fairly serious fans. the "most different" tracks are also the early material that's not in stereo. the material most people would be interested in doesn't seem drastically different to me. the part i enjoyed the most was the patter between songs and the older material. plus the bonus disc live show was nifty. i still wouldn't tell friends to buy it as a first, second, third, fourth, or fifth bowie album. probably not sixth either. but you know what i mean. in passing, i'm surprised to see no mention on here of the astounding half-episode simpson parody of the prisoner the other week. aren't there simpson and prisoner fans on here? is there no crossover? oh, yeah, robyn: excitement about soft boys! excitement! tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:15:53 -0600 From: Henry Krinkle Subject: Re: SXSW Badges for all three SXSW festivals (film, internet, &music) are on sale now. They are really expensive, and mostly for industry insiders. The wristbands for the music festival go on sale much closer to the actual event. They are sold "in person" at various record shops around town at a "discounted" rate for early birds. The "discounted" rate goes up exponentially each year. A few years ago they were 35 bucks, last year I think it was 60 or maybe even 70...I'm not sure. After the first group of wristbands sells out, the price goes up...I'm thinking to maybe a hundred dollars or so. The SXSW hierarchy is as follows: 1.The badge people have access to all the venues. 2. The wristband people have access to all the venues that aren't already filled with badge people 3. ...and yes you can pay cover for individual showcases but this is very risky. First off, you may not get in, or even worse, you may have to sit through a set by Kathy Mattea before seeing Robyn, 'cos there are no "ins and outs" if you pay cover. Later dudes, Zelda on 12/13/00 7:07 AM, Marcy Tanter at tanter@tarleton.edu wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, SXSW tells me that they haven't booked any > showcases yet, so there must a chance that the Soft Boys won't be there..? > I wanted to find out about getting tickets and I got a reply that literally > says, "I don't know." > > > Dr. Marcy Tanter > Assistant Professor of English > Box T-0300 > Tarleton State University > Stephenville, TX 76402 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:07:51 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes > Didn't some Feg buy that Bowie compilation? I was hoping to hear whether > the BBC versions were different enough to make the album necessary. The Ziggy material, while it is certainly performed very well, is not too different from the album versions. The earlier material is more interesting and different than the official recordings, but you'd probably agree that material is weaker. The best of the collection is a session from 1971 that has versions of "Bombers" and an Arnold Corns rarity called "Looking For A Friend", a great Stones-esque tune. The 3rd bonus disc from a 2000 concert is actually more exciting than the other 2 discs IMO, with a good mix of material. Unless you are a real Bowie freak you can probably live without the collection, and if you are a Bowie freak you probably have all these sessions (including tracks left off this CD) on bootlegs already! I am surprised people put it high on their polls, for an "archival" release it is certainly not Dylan Royal Albert Hall concert! It's very enjoyable but by no means necessary for a casual fan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:17:32 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: I'm a Lobsterman! Does any one know the chords to Lobsterman? I can't seem to locate it on any website. It being unreleased might have something to do with this... Anyway I really have a strong urge to learn this song cause I find myself singing it in the shower every other day. If any one could help, thanks! Mark? Turning deep red. Brian Nupp _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:27:30 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: SXSW > Badges for all three SXSW festivals (film, internet, &music) are on sale > now. They are really expensive, and mostly for industry insiders. The > wristbands for the music festival go on sale much closer to the actual > event. They are sold "in person" at various record shops around town at a I called SXSW and the little princess who answered the phone was an asshole. The only absolute answer she would give regarding any question asked about price, date the wristbands would go on sale, appearances etc.. was 'the soft boys show is just a rumor', she then hung up the phone. gss np-the love cats, the cure ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:31:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: bend over, everyone > > > Tracked is one thing, recorded and stored for seven years is > > > something completely different. > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > they probably do that anyway. > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, GSS wrote: > No they don't. You can't possibly know whether they do or not. Of course we're worried about this in the UK. I've already seen letters in the paper saying that people are going to go back to good old pen and ink to avoid everything being tracked and recorded. What I _do_ know is that the main GCHQ tracking station in the UK has an extremely good relationship with the US intelligence authorities. In fact the USA put a lot of pressure on them to ban Trade Unions, which they did for several years, on the grounds that a Trade Union member was obviously a security risk! Personally I have little doubt that most things which are being tracked in the UK are available to US intelligence as well. Indeed, I suspect that the CIA see MI5 and MI6 as wholly-owned subsidiaries. - - Mike Godwin PS On the bending over front, we shall soon see the UK authorities bending over backwards to hand over our tracking facilities at Fylingdales and Menwith Hill to the US so that the Yanks can implement NMD (?) or whatever it's called - a new star wars system for the US which doesn't protect the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, recount dracula wrote: >> here's the top 15 finishers. Forty writers contributed lists, I >> believe. > > anybody want to do a similar thing for feg? sure; i've already agreed to do a web-poll for the loudfans list, so it would be easy to run a separate one for fegmaniax. hopefully it won't turn out like the Best Albums Ever poll, which got very few responses and, if memory serves, ended with no album getting multiple votes if it wasn't by Robyn or the Beatles. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:17:46 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: bend over, everyone On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > No they don't. > > You can't possibly know whether they do or not. I can't? You don't know me very well. Maybe I should say us. > Of course we're worried > about this in the UK. I've already seen letters in the paper saying that > people are going to go back to good old pen and ink to avoid everything > being tracked and recorded. I wasn't referring to the UK in general, I was talking about the Scot. The enormous amount of data transmitted within the US would require a system so grand that there would have at least been leaks during its design and testing, if not as early as the initial conception. The US government would use EDS or IBM or Tandem, maybe all three in addition to universities plus it would need a huge amount of local assistance. This information would have made it to the public just like it did in the UK. Comparing the two individual tasks is almost like comparing a wheel-barrow to a bucket, in both cost and complexity and it would not surpise me if the UK 'super carnivore' nightmare is just a prelude to what the state has planned for us here in the u.s., and Texas. gss np-if i needed you, emmylou harris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:04:30 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: bowie compilation, prisoner-simpsons rh 0.09% >in passing, i'm surprised to see no mention on here of the astounding >half-episode simpson parody of >the prisoner the other week. aren't there simpson and prisoner fans on >here? is there no crossover? I thought "The Prisoner" was brilliant, yet the last "Simpsons" episode was just appallingly bad. Maybe not as bad as the previous one, but darn close. Time to plug, Matt. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:48:53 -0500 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) At 07:37 PM 12/12/2000, Christopher Gross wrote: >I spent five minutes trying to formulate a reply that adequately captures >my feelings about that last sentence, but words simply fail me. Gaaaaah! "Oh, hell." HTH. HAND. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:55:51 -0500 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons At 10:46 AM 12/13/2000, Terrence Marks wrote: >Since nobody else has complained about it yet, I take it I'm the only feg >who got suckered into seeing this horrible, horrible movie. I saw the trailer and was suitably turned off from the movie. Speaking of which, I saw the trailer for Tomb Raider recently, and I think it's safe for me to dub it "Worst Movie of 2001". - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons >Speaking of which, I saw the trailer for Tomb Raider recently, and I think >it's safe for me to dub it "Worst Movie of 2001". I recently heard an upcoming release by "Death by Chocolate" (a group on Jetset Records), and I think it's safe for me to dub it Worst *Album* of 2001. EEEEK. I saw a "Dungeons & Dragons" trailer...boy, did I feel embarrassed for Jeremy Irons. Poor guy was an A-list actor, until Anthony Hopkins became hot and stole all his roles.... I heard a great quote by Roeper, of "Roeper & Ebert" fame. I can't remember the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of "Isn't Dungeons & Dragons kinda 'over'? They might as well make a film about *Pong*." Heh heh heh. The Badly Drawn Boy album grew on me, a wee bit. I might push it into my top 15 of the year, now. But, no higher. There are four or five really pretty songs ("The Shining" and "Camping Next to Water," especially), but jeez, I could prune 10 minutes of filler from this disc in nothing flat.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Eb wrote: > I heard a great quote by Roeper, of "Roeper & Ebert" fame. I can't remember > the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of "Isn't Dungeons > & Dragons kinda 'over'? They might as well make a film about *Pong*." Heh > heh heh. They've just released the Third Edition set and had a few _really_ good computer games that sold very well. I'd say it's making a comeback, if anything. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:10:35 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes >Whew, dead day on the Feglist. Maybe I can help that a bit. I did the >"accounting" for the consensus poll of a local magazine...here's the top 15 >finishers. Forty writers contributed lists, I believe. As you might guess, >I'm just *thrilled* that Radiohead cleaned up based on "Wow, that was, >like, so *nervy* of them!" criteria. If it was 1975, maybe Metal Machine >Music would be topping the poll.... nah. It would have been "Another Green World". And it would have deserved to win. >On a personal note, I'm obviously pleased that three of my own top-10 >albums (Elliott, PJ, J5) did well. Nice to see Bowie and BDB in there, too. >On the other hand, out of *274* different albums which were cited on >individual lists, only 26 were albums I bothered to own. And out of those >26, seven were albums which were on my own list and no one else's, while >another four were mis-listed albums which actually came out in 1999. >Ouch...yup, my tastes are feeling mighty unpopular. ;) I was most surprised >to see zero votes for the Grandaddy, Sleater-Kinney, XTC, Ween, Nelly >Furtado and Neil Young albums -- I was also surprised to see how poorly >Eminem did. I still have a feeling Eminem may take the #1 spot in the major >polls. the Amazon poll may be more to your taste: Eminem at 2, Grandaddy at 6, XTC at 21... see the report at: BTW - can anyone tell me anything about JJ72? A hit or a miss? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:39:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Clothes >>I'm just *thrilled* that Radiohead cleaned up based on "Wow, that was, >>like, so *nervy* of them!" criteria. If it was 1975, maybe Metal Machine >>Music would be topping the poll.... > >nah. It would have been "Another Green World". And it would have deserved >to win. Well, Another Green World would get my vote too. But, y'know, like Metal Machine Music was just so COOL and stuff...it really STUCK IT TO THE CORPORATE MAN! Eb & his carburetor dung ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:02:08 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Terrence Marks wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Eb wrote: > > > I heard a great quote by Roeper, of "Roeper & Ebert" fame. I can't remember > > the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of "Isn't Dungeons > > & Dragons kinda 'over'? They might as well make a film about *Pong*." Heh > > heh heh. > > They've just released the Third Edition set and had a few _really_ good > computer games that sold very well. I'd say it's making a comeback, if > anything. Didnt the third edition come out in the mid 90's or so? its hard the craze it was in the 80's, there are lots more things out there competing for a the yound geeks time. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "The whole Bush family, from Texas, should be boiled in poison oil." -Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, J. Brown wrote: > > They've just released the Third Edition set and had a few _really_ good > > computer games that sold very well. I'd say it's making a comeback, if > > anything. > > Didnt the third edition come out in the mid 90's or so? No, that was the second edition. > its hard the > craze it was in the 80's, there are lots more things out there competing > for a the yound geeks time. True, but it's not dead either. I'd say, at least because of Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale, that it's stronger than it was five years ago. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:57 -0800 From: Julie Nelson Subject: My top ten... I tried to list them in order of importance, but my favortisms fluctuate. Number one stands firm. 1. Broadcast "The Noise Made by People" 2. *Le Tigre (selftitled) (The people who were having the discussion about the film industry a while ago might enjoy this one.) 3. Jurassic 5 "Quality Control" 4. Isan "Salamander" 5. Luke Vibert/BJ Cole "Stop the Panic" 6. Black Box Recorder "Facts of Life" 7. Einsterzende Neubauten "Silence is Sexy" 8. Yo La Tengo "Nothing Turned Itself..." 9. Radiohead "Kid A" 10. Modest Mouse "The Moon and Antarctica" *Might be technically dated 1999, but I discovered them at the beginning of this year and, dammit, they deserve to be on the list. Humbly, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:12 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: this is travis tap >From: Eb > >As you might guess, >I'm just *thrilled* that Radiohead cleaned up based on "Wow, that was, >like, so *nervy* of them!" criteria. I like that album less and less the more I hear it, actually. I'm more impressed by its commercial performance than by the music itself, which I would agree is not as "nervy" as advertised. > Meanwhile, I feel like I should hear those Travis, At the Drive-In and >Coldplay albums Dude, Travis is just soggy. This impulse drove me to buy a used copy of _The Man Who_, which I suffered once and will regret forever. Maybe I should send it to you. They're just...imagine The Carpenters, where Karen Carpenter is an incredibly whiny twerp and they don't have any good songs. Coldplay is more appealing, but not enough to make me buy their album. >5. U2/All That You Can't Leave Behind (50 points) Is it really that great? I mean, I can't stand U2, so I guess I wouldn't be impressed anyway, but I heard it was all easy-listening and shit. >8. Sunny Day Real Estate/The Rising Tide (42 points) >15. Gomez/Abandoned Shopping Cart Trolley Hotline (27 points, ranked as >high as #3 on individual lists) >Nelly >Furtado Stop it! Stop saying that name! It never leaves my head! Now I have a Travis song ("Why does it always rain on me?"), a Coldplay song ("Yellow"), and the name "Nelly Furtado" circling in my head like horseflies. When will the suffering end? >From: Asshole Motherfucker > >i still think DONE WITH MIRRORS is their best album. that was post- >'70s, but pre-"Janie's Got A Gun". (that *was* the song that got >them back on the map, right?) Da da! Da da! Dude looks like a lay-dah! and Rag doll, livin' in a movie Rag doll, daddy's little cutie ... Bay-bee wontcha do me like you done before? and, of course, You're my ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ayn-jell, come and save me toniiiiight! I still have _Permanent Vacation_ on cassette. It's not awful. After that I hated pretty much everything they put out, including most especially "Janie's Got a Gun." Drew ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #366 *******************************