From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #365 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 09 : Number 365 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bend over, everyone ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: UM reissue [recount dracula ] Re: UM reissue [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re:Butter the Pan? [Bayard ] ftp archive ["Orrling, August" ] Re: ftp archive [recount dracula ] [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [Eb ] Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [Eb ] Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [Christopher Gross ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [Christopher Gross ] Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [Eb ] Re: the lid's gonna blow... ["mats" ] Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [Glen Uber ] Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) [recount dracula ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [recount dracula ] Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes [Eb ] glass [overbury@cn.ca] SXSW [Marcy Tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:34:11 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: bend over, everyone GSS wrote: > > Tracked is one thing, recorded and stored for seven years is > something completely different. they probably do that anyway. > If that does not bother you, learn to make sheep noises and you > will do well. All hail the state. what's particularly touching about your retort is that you seem convinced that your government isn't doing the same. Stewart (e-mail got wedged; they were probably reading a good bit, or got stuck in the skillet thread.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:28:49 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: UM reissue when we last left our heroes, Russ Reynolds exclaimed: >Museum of RH: >> Underwater Moonlight will be reissued worldwide by Matador Records on March >> 13. This will be a 2-disc set, with the first disc being the original >> album. The second will feature previously unreleased rehearsal recordings >> of the Soft Boys from 1979 and 1980. >Now THAT'S the way to issue a classic album with bonus tracks. Pile all the >bonus tracks you want onto that extra disc, but leave the original album in >tact. obviously this is all conjecture until the track listing is noted, but i have a suspicion that the first disc will have the original album and the bonus tracks that were added to the glass fish cd release and rykodisc reissue -- not just the original album. >(unless that earlier report that "He's A Reptile" would be added turns out >to be true, in which case I take it all back). why single out "he's a reptile" as some sort of long-lost track? it was released on the _invisble hits_ lp and cd as well on a 7" single. why include it on _underwater moonlight_ at all? was it recorded during the sessions for moonlight? >I'm awfully stoked about finally getting a chance to see the Soft Boys >perform these songs. Wonder if they'll do the album in sequence and how >much stuff from Bees and Hits they'll throw in...and whether or not it will >be exclusively soft boys material or will they throw in some some post SB >material too. I bet they come up with at least one new song. well, they created "zipper in my spine" last time they reunioned, so i imagine that there will be more new stuff this time around too. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:43:22 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: UM reissue >well, they created "zipper in my spine" last time they reunioned, so i >imagine that there will be more new stuff this time around too. jeez, you didn't even read your own post? from the Spin article: He did say, however, that the band would be playing some more recent material on the upcoming tour, "certainly things that we've never played before, but I would hesitate to describe what it is," and that some of this mystery music would certainly appear on the Detroit live album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re:Butter the Pan? Is anyone else thinking about "the good morning burger"? On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Irish Airman wrote: > Cast iron conducts heat beautifully. Teflon, and its more expensive versions > can scratch or start to stick. > > Put bacon in uncoated pan on stovetop. > Make light toast in toaster > Take 3/4s cooked bacon out of pan. > Break egg into pan and cook till lightly sunny-side. > Take toast. Butter toast. Put cheese of choice on one piece as well. > Put cheesed toast into pan, pile egg and bacon on top, then top slice of > bread. Mush together with spatuala. > Cook, turning as needed, till toast is brown and cheese is melted. > Bon Appetite. > K, who has no cholestoral and such low BP the Dr says she must be dead. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:04:41 +0100 From: "Orrling, August" Subject: ftp archive Hi, I think we have had an ftp archive for mp3 files. I seem to have lost the URL, login and password though. Do anyone still have them? August ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:39:29 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: ftp archive when we last left our heroes, Orrling, August exclaimed: >I think we have had an ftp archive for mp3 files. I seem to have lost the >URL, login and password though. Do anyone still have them? theo, the guy who manages the robyn hitchcock yahoo club, maintains a mp3 site at . there are 20 songs there -- just rarities, no complete shows. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:44:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes Whew, dead day on the Feglist. Maybe I can help that a bit. I did the "accounting" for the consensus poll of a local magazine...here's the top 15 finishers. Forty writers contributed lists, I believe. As you might guess, I'm just *thrilled* that Radiohead cleaned up based on "Wow, that was, like, so *nervy* of them!" criteria. If it was 1975, maybe Metal Machine Music would be topping the poll.... Meanwhile, I feel like I should hear those Travis, At the Drive-In and Coldplay albums -- even though I doubt I'll like them. Hrm. I didn't hear the Modest Mouse album either, but I'm fairly confident I can write off this band based on past releases. Didn't some Feg buy that Bowie compilation? I was hoping to hear whether the BBC versions were different enough to make the album necessary. Poll results: 1. Radiohead/Kid A (134 points) 2. At The Drive In/Relationship of Command (97 points) 3. P J Harvey/Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea (65 points) 4. Travis/The Man Who (61 points) 5. U2/All That You Can't Leave Behind (50 points) 6. OutKast/Stankonia (49 points) 7. Modest Mouse/The Moon & Antarctica (43 points) 8. Sunny Day Real Estate/The Rising Tide (42 points) 9. The Deftones/White Pony (39 points) 10. Jurassic 5/Quality Control (37 points, ranked as high as #1 on individual lists) 11. Coldplay/Parachutes (37 points, ranked as high as #2 on individual lists) 12. Badly Drawn Boy/Hour of Bewilderbeast (34 points) 13. Elliott Smith/Figure 8 (32 points) 14. David Bowie/The Best Of The BBC Sessions '68 - '72 (27 points, ranked as high as #1 on individual lists) 15. Gomez/Abandoned Shopping Cart Trolley Hotline (27 points, ranked as high as #3 on individual lists) On a personal note, I'm obviously pleased that three of my own top-10 albums (Elliott, PJ, J5) did well. Nice to see Bowie and BDB in there, too. On the other hand, out of *274* different albums which were cited on individual lists, only 26 were albums I bothered to own. And out of those 26, seven were albums which were on my own list and no one else's, while another four were mis-listed albums which actually came out in 1999. Ouch...yup, my tastes are feeling mighty unpopular. ;) I was most surprised to see zero votes for the Grandaddy, Sleater-Kinney, XTC, Ween, Nelly Furtado and Neil Young albums -- I was also surprised to see how poorly Eminem did. I still have a feeling Eminem may take the #1 spot in the major polls. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:43:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) Tuesday, December 12, 2000, New York, NY -- The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees for the Sixteenth Annual Induction Ceremony were announced today at VH1 by Jann Wenner, Editor and publisher of Rolling Stone magazine. Here, in alphabetical order, are the Inductees for 2001: Aerosmith, the original five bad boys from Boston -- Steven Tyler, Joe Perry, Brad Whitford, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer -- epitomize American blues-rooted style rock and roll and continue, after three decades, to rock our world; Solomon Burke who is known for having one of the greatest voices in the history of soul, gospel, R&B, and even country, and has influenced a vast array of artists; The Flamingos, Chicago's pioneering doo-wop aggregation -- Nathaniel Nelson, John Carter, Terry Johnson, Tommy Hunt, Ezekiel Carey, Paul Wilson, Jacob Carey and Sollie McElroy -- gave us the trend-setting classic hit "Golden Teardrops," and their soulful rendition of the pop standard, "I Only Have Eyes For You"; Michael Jackson, who by age five was the designated lead singer of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees the Jackson 5, and only a few years later, launched a record breaking trend-setting solo career that included the world's biggest selling album, Thriller, which spent 37 weeks at #1 and sold more than 25-times platinum in the U.S. alone. There is no question that for the generation who came of age in the '80s, Michael epotimizes what rock is about; Queen, in the golden era of glam-rock and gorgeously hyper-produces theartical extravaganzas that defined one branch of '70s rock, no group came close in either concept or execution to Queen -- Freddie Murcury, Brian May, Roger Taylor and John Deacon; Paul Simon, already an Inductee as one half of the duo Simon & Garfunkel, Simon launched his solo career three decades ago. From the release of the watershed album Graceland to his work for film and even Broadway, Paul Simon is one of rock's true visionaries; Steely Dan, no rock group before or since has applied more intellectual calisthenics to their wordplay, more bebop and swing jazz formalism to their charts, or more audiophile precision to their sonics. Fervently embraced by art-rock, conservatory, jazz fusion and engineering aficionados alike, Stelly Dan -- Walter Becker and Donald Fagen -- hold a very unique spot in the history of rock and roll; At 17 years old, Ritchie Valens, less than seven months after the release of his first single, "Come One Let's Go" and exactly 26 days after "La Bamba" hit the pop charts, was killed in a plane crash on February 3, 1959, along with 22-year old Buddy Holly and 28-year old J.P. Richardson ("The Big Bopper"). Forty years after "the day the music died," the echo of Valens' contribution to rock reverberates with an intensity that dares us to remember just how much "the Little Richard of San Fernando" gave to his fans and fellow musicians around the world; This year's "non-performer" inductee is one of the most successful and celebrated executives in the music business, the legendary Chris Blackwell; founder of Island Records in 1959, he has played a key role in nurturing a generation of musicians ranging from the likes of Bob Marley, Steve Winwood, Tom Waits and U2. Responsible for some of the most important music and greatest changes in pop music of the last forty years, Blackwell not only introduced the world to Bob Marley, but gave reggae an international audience; The "Side-men" inductees are James Burton and Johnnie Johnson. is one of rock and roll and country music's most distinguished guitarists. He toured and recorded with Elvis Presley and Rick Nelson, among others. In 1957 he recorded the seminal "Suzie-Q" sung by Dale Hawkins. He also recorded with the late Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, and more recently with Jerry Lee Lewis. Burton perfected a guitar style known as "chicken pickin", which produced staccato-sounding single-string riffs and solos; Johnnie Johnson is one of the chief architects of rock and roll piano. As Chuck Berry's piano player from the mid 1905's thru the 1970's, Johnson helped shape the arrangements of countless Berry hits including "Maybellene," "Sweet Little Sixteen," "Roll Over Beethoven" and "Johnny B. Goode." In 1990 Johnson recorded his first major-label album with help from Keith Richards and Eric Clapton. [clip] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:37:19 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eb quoted: > Aerosmith, the original five bad boys from Boston -- Steven Tyler, Joe > Perry, Brad Whitford, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer -- epitomize American > blues-rooted style rock and roll and continue, after three decades, to rock > our world; I think Aerosmith had mostly faded away in the mid 80s, and it was only Run DMC's cover of "Walk This Way" that enabled them to revive their fortunes. If not for Run DMC, I think Aerosmith would now be a 70s nostalgia act, playing Holiday Inns across the upper midwest. I also think that everything Aerosmith has recorded since their resurrection has been fairly lame. Am I right about all this, or what? > Michael Jackson, who by age five was the designated lead singer of the Rock > and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees the Jackson 5, and only a few years later, > launched a record breaking trend-setting solo career that included the > world's biggest selling album, Thriller, which spent 37 weeks at #1 and sold > more than 25-times platinum in the U.S. alone. There is no question that for > the generation who came of age in the '80s, Michael epotimizes what rock is > about; I spent five minutes trying to formulate a reply that adequately captures my feelings about that last sentence, but words simply fail me. Gaaaaah! - --Chris np: someone outside yelling "Wooooooo! Wooooooo!" And finals week has barely started. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:48 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: you got me ringin'... . finally got to see them "live" a few weeks back (thanks for the tipoff, cynthia!), and they rock like nobody's business. anybody wants a tape, get in touch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eb wrote: > As you might guess, I'm just *thrilled* that Radiohead cleaned up > based on "Wow, that was, like, so *nervy* of them!" criteria. If it > was 1975, maybe Metal Machine Music would be topping the poll.... well, it's vastly overrated, like all of Radiohead's albums, but at least it's sort of good. > Meanwhile, I feel like I should hear those Travis, At the Drive-In and > Coldplay albums -- even though I doubt I'll like them. the Coldplay album, like Kid A, is a record i somewhat enjoy that's similar to a lot of things i hate, so to some extent my pleasure in listening to it is a sort of continual relief. but hey, continual relief is sort of neat. > I was also surprised to see how poorly Eminem did. I still have a > feeling Eminem may take the #1 spot in the major polls. i hate to cynically assume that a lot of critics will only vote for one hip-hop record in a given year, but i think Outkast may have stolen a lot of Eminem's thunder in the mainstream end-of-year polls. i couldn't open any periodicals around here last month without seeing a rave review of it. (i also like it a lot better than The Marshall Mathers LP, myself.) a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:44:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) >I think Aerosmith had mostly faded away in the mid 80s, and it was only >Run DMC's cover of "Walk This Way" that enabled them to revive their >fortunes. If not for Run DMC, I think Aerosmith would now be a 70s >nostalgia act, playing Holiday Inns across the upper midwest. I also >think that everything Aerosmith has recorded since their resurrection has >been fairly lame. Am I right about all this, or what? Well, the Run DMC part may be true, but the group has also had quite a few big hits since then. Even if the new songs won't have the durability of "Walk This Way," "Dream On," etc., Aerosmith is still a major player. (Not that I've ever been tempted to buy one of their albums.) >There is no question that for >> the generation who came of age in the '80s, Michael epotimizes what rock is >> about; > >I spent five minutes trying to formulate a reply that adequately captures >my feelings about that last sentence, but words simply fail me. Gaaaaah! Heh. I didn't register that sentence, when I originally skimmed the article. Funny. Eb np: new Pizzicato Five album (nice!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eb wrote: > Well, the Run DMC part may be true, but the group has also had quite a few > big hits since then. Even if the new songs won't have the durability of > "Walk This Way," "Dream On," etc., Aerosmith is still a major player. True, but the new stuff still just rubs me the wrong way. Don't ask me why; I'd be hard pressed to explain just how the 70s stuff is better. Still, if "Dream On" came on the radio I'd turn it up, while if "Love In an Elevator" came on I'd turn it off. - --Chris, who bought Aerosmith's Greatest Hits (on vinyl) at the height of his classic rock phase, and has even listened to it three or four times in the past decade. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:38:31 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: the lid's gonna blow... >Still, if "Dream On" came on the radio I'd turn it up, while if "Love In >an Elevator" came on I'd turn it off. i still think DONE WITH MIRRORS is their best album. that was post- '70s, but pre-"Janie's Got A Gun". (that *was* the song that got them back on the map, right?) useless trivia dept.: the mission uk covered Dream On on CHILDREN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:41:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) >> Well, the Run DMC part may be true, but the group has also had quite a few >> big hits since then. Even if the new songs won't have the durability of >> "Walk This Way," "Dream On," etc., Aerosmith is still a major player. > >True, but the new stuff still just rubs me the wrong way. Don't ask me >why; I'd be hard pressed to explain just how the 70s stuff is better. >Still, if "Dream On" came on the radio I'd turn it up, while if "Love In >an Elevator" came on I'd turn it off. Hey, I don't disagree with that.... Still, "Janie's Got a Gun" intrigues me for a tangential reason. I'm always kinda fascinated with the art of songwriting, as relates to choices in names. Since there's usually no factual reason why a cited name has to be *this name*, the choice usually just depends purely on its phonetic "hook value." So, I look at "Janie's Got a Gun." Saying that title out loud has such a *perfect* catchiness to it -- if it was "Mary's Got a Gun," "Laura's Got a Gun" or even "Jenny's Got a Gun," it wouldn't have the same magic. It's something about the relationship between "Jay-," "Gah-" and "Guh-." It just *works*, but it's hard to say why. That stuff intrigues me. You could probably think of many similar examples to ponder. I suppose "Sandra's Having Her Brain Out" might be relevant here, among others..."Shelley's Having Her Brain Out" wouldn't really cut it, would it? (I believe the above song was written by Diane Warren, right? And she obviously has the craft of insidiously catchy songwriting down to a science....) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:39:43 -0800 From: "mats" Subject: Re: the lid's gonna blow... i'd say once Walk this way showed the band it could sell records again, Rag doll or Angel got it back on the map. or who can forget Dude looks like a lady? please, please help me forget it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Asshole Motherfucker To: Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: the lid's gonna blow... > >Still, if "Dream On" came on the radio I'd turn it up, while if > "Love In > >an Elevator" came on I'd turn it off. > > i still think DONE WITH MIRRORS is their best album. that was post- > '70s, but pre-"Janie's Got A Gun". (that *was* the song that got > them back on the map, right?) > > useless trivia dept.: the mission uk covered Dream On on CHILDREN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:51:09 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) On 12/12/00 4:41 PM, Eb wrote: > (I believe the above song was written by Diane Warren, right? And she > obviously has the craft of insidiously catchy songwriting down to a > science....) If my long-gone, waterlogged, bong-ripped, metal-head memory serves me correctly, I think the song was penned by Aerosmith bassist Tom Hamilton and Desmond "the male Diane Warren" Child. - -- Cheers! - -g- "When I was a child, my parents took me into my dying grandfather's hospital room and said, 'Make Grandpa laugh, Emo,' and I couldn't and he died and my parents scolded me, saying, 'Emo, you're a wicked, wicked boy. Because you're not funny you killed your grandpa.'" --Emo Philips )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg (at) sonic dot net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:04:43 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: Hall o' phlegm (but where's Alice??) >This year's "non-performer" inductee is one of the most successful and >celebrated executives in the music business, the legendary Chris Blackwell; >founder of Island Records in 1959, he has played a key role in nurturing a >generation of musicians ranging from the likes of Bob Marley, Steve Winwood, >Tom Waits and U2. Responsible for some of the most important music and >greatest changes in pop music of the last forty years, Blackwell not only >introduced the world to Bob Marley, but gave reggae an international >audience; and screwed negativland. +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:18:38 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >Whew, dead day on the Feglist. Maybe I can help that a bit. I did the >"accounting" for the consensus poll of a local magazine...here's the top 15 >finishers. Forty writers contributed lists, I believe. anybody want to do a similar thing for feg? i've only heard three albums on this list -- radiohead and p.j. harvey -- and neither struck me as top ten material; the radiohead was just plain uninvolving and peej, while good, doesn't excite me enough to listen to it that much anymore. i've previewed the badly drawn boy album at the local music shop and it didn't impress. just heard about coldplay, in a less than endearing light (the author referred to them as bandwagoneers), on ecto today but haven't looked into them yet. >Didn't some Feg buy that Bowie compilation? I was hoping to hear whether >the BBC versions were different enough to make the album necessary. even if it was, why include it on this list? the material's 30 years old! as usual, i am amused by the range of styles on top ten lists. do critics have weird taste or are they just covering all the bases? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:01:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: [LIST! :P~] The Emperor's New Clothes >i've previewed the badly drawn boy album at the local >music shop and it didn't impress. There was *someone* on this list raving about Badly Drawn Boy ages ago, wasn't there? Maybe someone in the UK? I remember seeing the name for the first time on *this list*, rather than in a website, magazine, etc. Who was the big fan? >>Didn't some Feg buy that Bowie compilation? >even if it was, why include it on this list? the material's 30 years old! I feel the same way, but it wasn't my place to dictate to others. After all, I eliminated Jeff Buckley/Mystery White Boy from my own list, just because that material was *four or five* years old. Otherwise, I probably would've ranked him at #3. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:57:38 -0500 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: glass Eb VS Quail (guess who's who): >>Are you really implying that Glass will have Beethoven-level status in >>another few hundred years? >No, probably not -- almost certainly not. Beethoven is unique and one >of the world's greatest artists. But I do think that Glass, and >minimalism in general, often gets the short end of the stick when it >comes to the critics and the cognoscenti. [snip] > These are the >only four composers that can create passages of music so emotionally >moving, that I am brought to tears without the need of lyrics, >singing, or any operatic plot devices. Glass moves me also to tears, much as the Chinese water torture might. Drip drop drip drop drip drop drip drop..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:07:20 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: SXSW Just as a matter of interest, SXSW tells me that they haven't booked any showcases yet, so there must a chance that the Soft Boys won't be there..? I wanted to find out about getting tickets and I got a reply that literally says, "I don't know." Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Box T-0300 Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76402 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #365 *******************************