From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #358 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 6 2000 Volume 09 : Number 358 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Trickster ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: FYI: New virus warning ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RIP [grutness@surf4nix.com] Black Gratuitous Nudists on the List ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] Re: Beauty's Tits [Bayard ] Re: Beauty's Tits [Jon Fetter ] burn arrakis burn ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: FYI: New virus warning [Bayard ] Soft Boys Question? Zip Zip. ["brian nupp" ] Re: More boobs ["Irish Airman" ] Re: Soft Boys Question? Zip Zip. [Bayard ] Tell me about the quails of your homeland, Usul! [The Great Quail ] Austin Fegs? [steve ] Re: Austin Fegs? [Henry Krinkle ] LA fegs? [Terrence Marks ] Re: The Trickster [Jeff Dwarf ] red-faced with laughter... ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Re: The Trickster Asshole Motherfucker wrote: > > damn. somebody was just trying to sell us (the restaurant) something > that's been aging since 1892 (or something). i *think* it was some > kind of scotch Very old single malt is only valuable 'cos it's rare. Not really worth going much over 20 years, although the really harsh ones (like from Islay) can become remarkably sweet in their dotage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:07:27 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: FYI: New virus warning "Yudt.Matthew" wrote: > > In the spirit of sharing info. I thought this may be of importance to > everyone. not quite everyone (fx of flipping the small pointless flap on the front of his Sun Ultra-5). > Being in the government has some advantages, and early > warnings may be one of them: this was so last week for us... > Here is the latest information on the new virus: the bit I liked (from the hysterical-as-usual McAfee site): ] This worm will then seek files of .JPG and .ZIP on the local machine. ] These files are moved to the root of C: and an additional extension ] is added to them of "change atleast now to LINUX". Very childish, I know, and not the classiest advocacy ever, but it made me smile. Stewart (gronda gronda, rangdo!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: grrr Eb wrote: > Natalie toed the Portland partyline: > >But when a woman is > >referred to as a cow, that's apparently just fine and dandy. which is why people began hamming on Eb for the comment almost immediately.... again, humans refer to other people and their characteristics in animal metaphors all the time. at worst, Eb was trying to hard to be clever when expressing his annoyance about Martha's cleavage display (occasional overcleverness being a likely error made by someone who likes robyn hitchcock). and he maybe deserved to be called a jack-ass [ANIMAL TERM] for calling them udders. but a klan rapist? he's not even trying to steal florida from al gore... > Let's tabulate my sins, shall we? I'm now as bad as a racist, I think > Martha deserves to be raped, etc. etc. etc. If only > *Rufus* could generate such interest.... maybe if he wore one of andy bell's erasure tour outfits with a testicle hanging out..... ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:31:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: RIP Colin Cowdrey, 67 James (...as a hundred American fegs look puzzled...) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:36:27 -0800 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: Black Gratuitous Nudists on the List My wife would qualify, albeit somewhat vicariously. She's pretty knowledgeable about Robyn -- largely through my enthusiasm (and I DO share many of the digests with her). Conversely, she's taught me more about pension law than I really care to know, but it's a package deal. While she's been to just one show (Georgetown U. on the Respect tour), she really enjoyed it. We've been disappointed that all the other local dates have been places where you have to stand and inhale smoke. I'm not bothered, but asthma and an artificial knee make that sort of thing impossible for her. Hope this lays to rest all those rumors about why I'm always flying solo at the gigs.;) And our 3 year old REALLY digs watching Storefront -- I'm training her early for full-fledged Fegdom. - ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:36:19 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Beauty's Tits In a message dated 12/5/00 1:33:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << I think there is no such thing as gratuitous nudity. >> <> Yeah! I was hoping the Disney Animators would let Belle take it ALL off and really do that beast! She had great knockers and it's a shame they didn't take advantage of them. Come to think of it, Tarzan was a pretty good Disney Cartoon, but it could have used more tits too. Why did the Little Mermaid wear a top anyway? I'd would have seen the movie twice if there had been a couple of life preservers floating about her chest, if you know what I mean. Something for Flounder to fondle... I agree. There is never ever no such thing as gratuitous nudity. Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:38:53 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Sci Fi > By the way, have you been watching "Dune" on the SciFi Channel? It's > been pretty good! Not as visually stunning as the Lynch film, but > more genuine and comprehensible.... Shit, I don't get the Sci-Fi Channel or TLC or Comedy Central, but here in North Texas we have a great Public Television Station and they have been showing 'Space Island One'. It is a really kick-ass series, for the most part. I gotta give you limeys a hand. You did it again. And, Dr. Who is on it's way back. Life is good, sometimes. gss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:57:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Beauty's Tits Dave wrote: [lascivious stuff about Disney films] I do believe there's a newsgroup for folks like you, Dave! ;) Disney is a special case. Check this out. http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm =b "silly blatzman... sex is for kids" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:24:31 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: Beauty's Tits Naughty Disney: Although the Little Mermaid doesn't go topless, the old priest in the wedding scene does possess a prodigious woody bulging behind his regalia. Aladdin mutters "Take your clothes off" in the balcony scene. There is a definitely phallic minaret on the old video cover of Aladdin, which Disney had to alter in subsequent releases. Ah, to be a bored, repressed animator at Disney. j >Yeah! I was hoping the Disney Animators would let Belle take it ALL off and >really do that beast! She had great knockers and it's a shame they didn't >take advantage of them. > >Come to think of it, Tarzan was a pretty good Disney Cartoon, but it could >have used more tits too. > >Why did the Little Mermaid wear a top anyway? I'd would have seen the movie >twice if there had been a couple of life preservers floating about her chest, >if you know what I mean. Something for Flounder to fondle... > >I agree. There is never ever no such thing as gratuitous nudity. > >Blatzy - ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Facts and science, this kangaroo alliance A pallid pair when everything is at stake What would they choose, if their feet were in my shoes? The likes of Newton, Faraday, von Heisenberg, and Planck?" --The Sugarplastic, "Don't Look Down" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:39:08 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: burn arrakis burn >From: steve > >Andrew D. Simchik: >>I saw the 4-hour version of Lynch's _Dune_ >>before I ever read the book and I _loved_ it. > >The often rumored 4-hour European version of Dune does not exist. What >you saw was a recut version for TV. Take out the commercials and it's >slightly over 3 hours. That's probably true. I've never heard of the 4-hour European version; I was adding in the commercials. A friend of mine claims she knows of an 8-hour version. Is that also a rumor? It must be. >It's an Alan Smithee credit, because Lynch >wouldn't have anything to do with it. I could have sworn I saw Lynch's name on it. I'll have to go back to my tape and look. >He did once say that he could >achieve his original vision for the film, but he didn't want take a year >out of his life to do it. Whatever! It convinced me I had to read the novel. I'm not sure this new version would have done the same. Part 2 was not an improvement. 2 more hours (yes, it's less if you discount the commercials) and not a single moment of real excitement or drama. Lots and lots of "gratuitous" near-nudity to make up for it, though. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: FYI: New virus warning > ] This worm will then seek files of .JPG and .ZIP on the local machine. > ] These files are moved to the root of C: and an additional extension > ] is added to them of "change atleast now to LINUX". > > Very childish, I know, and not the classiest advocacy ever, but it made > me smile. tell your terrorist friends they might be taken more seriously if they learn to speak english gooder. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:13:58 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Soft Boys Question? Zip Zip. I'm making myself a CD of rare Hitchcock songs, and I came across a song I totally forgot about: "Zip Zip." Is this the Soft Boys? I know I have a few tapes were they do it live, but I've heard this is a Maureen and the Meatpackers song. So is the studio version I have Maureen and the Meatpackers? This is a RH song right? Bayard, Woj, Eddie, Ross, Anyone? What the story? Thanks. Also this news on the Underwater Moonlight re-release and tour has me really excited. I'm supposed to go to Peru with my girlfriend in March or April, and am seriously thinking about axeing those plans and following the softboys for a week. My girlfriend would probably kill me, but I'm still thinking about it. B. Nuppy _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:55:10 -0500 From: "Irish Airman" Subject: Re: More boobs Going back about 4 digests ago-- Jeff Dwarf wrote: >if Robyn showed up in a chestless unitard with a >tiny horn on the crotch and chaps instead of purple jeans and a polka >dot shirt, if would change the show. What a mental picture. And cant you just see the expression on his face as he gazed out at the audience gazing at him. LOL. Eleanore Adams wrote >Is anyone familiar with Desmond Morris, (wrote >The Naked Ape) the anthopologist. Didnt he also write "The City of Apes"? Actually, really good book. Good point. Love sociobiology and anthropology which cuts thru some of the pop sych of the moment. I'm writing: I like tits. They're beautiful. Why should I be offended by beauty? Well Im not except for in one case: If that beauty is being used to use or exploit me. And in this society that beauty is used to exploit me -all- the time. To the point where many of us distrust beauty, obvious beauty, cause 9/10ths of the time it means someone is trying to manipulate us. So--if someone flaunts their beauty on stage, I will wonder what they are selling. The contents of their work? And I will wonder this at the exact same moment as I enjoy the beauty and sexuality for what it is. And then-- I'll start leering, caught in depersonalized no-mans(or womans)land between the two discordant outlooks. And I dont like myself much when I leer. And so, if I want an easy way out--I can just dislike the person on stage and then I dont have to deal with my own depersonalizing funk. Andrew Simchik wrote: >Music "sounds" like a particular color for me, and it's usually >the dominant color on the album cover. Totally agree that music sounds like color. But then I think people are like color too:-). Or rather, there is undefinable stuff we pick up from music, people, everything and, needing some way to process it, we find sensory metaphors. But does it match up with albumn covers? Something to think about. So what colors are Robyn? Darkish green obviously, with some pink maybe? And is the reason I like him cause Im a greeny too(thou more yellowy spring green) with periwinkle purpulish blue? And what color are you? And you? Oh--heres a gratuitous Edwardian-repressed color quote I love: "the mauve fairies are boys and the white ones are girls and there are some colors who dont know what they are." The guy who wrote Peter Pan.(forget how to spell his name--Barrie? ) James Dignan wrote: >I suspect I'll be watching a video of "Backbeat" on the 9th. If you >haven't seen that, it's a pretty good biopic of the Stu >Sutcliffe/John >Lennonfriendship. This is one of the few rock bio-movies Ive liked. Great stuff in and around the lighthouse. Worth watching. K _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Soft Boys Question? Zip Zip. On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian nupp wrote: > I'm making myself a CD of rare Hitchcock songs, and I came across a song I > totally forgot about: "Zip Zip." Is this the Soft Boys? I know I have a few > tapes were they do it live, but I've heard this is a Maureen and the > Meatpackers song. So is the studio version I have Maureen and the > Meatpackers? This is a RH song right? I believe it is actually a James A. Smith song (another member of Maureen & the Meatpackers, along with Robyn, Rosalind Kunath, and others.) The Soft Boys played it live at least twice, but it originates from before the Soft Boys. The only recording I know of is Russ' live SB's tape from a club called "the eighties" in ny,ny (August 1980.) So I'd like to trade with you for the studio version! Aidan would be the one to ask about this, if he's still around. =b "Smith is the Great One, not Gretsky!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:10:49 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Tell me about the quails of your homeland, Usul! An all-Dune post! Reverend Mother Andrew Boopsie Simcheckim writes, >Gaahhhhh! I just _knew_ you would be the one to say this. Yup. I only assume Eddie doesn't have a TV right now -- I can't believe he hasn't chimed in! >I'll admit again my terrible lapse in taste: I saw the 4-hour version >of Lynch's _Dune_ before I ever read the book and I _loved_ it. Then >I read the book and loved that even more. Why did I love Lynch's _Dune_? >Well, in its 4-hour form I found it comprehensible, but more than that, >lusciously beautiful, peopled with a charismatic cast, strongly (if >eccentrically) acted, and utterly immersive. Hey, don't get me wrong, I *love* the Lynch movie -- but I've read the Herbert series like twenty times. (And thanks, Steve, for the post about the mythical four-hour version.) I think the Lynch version is inconsistent, nearly incomprehensible to an outsider, and filled with -- as you say -- eccentric performances. But it is also one of the most lush, weird, and truly *visionary* SF films ever made. The costumes, the sets, the very concepts -- bald Reverend Mothers, cracked-egg-headed Navigators, seriously weird Mentats -- all that really brought out the overall *strangeness* of the books. I *hated* the way they slobbed up the Harkonnens, and some of the voice-overs were a bit silly. But the whole movie was worth it just for that CREEPY little girl who played Alia! My favorite scene: After the Guild Navigator visits the Emperor, he leaves, and we see that the noxious gases of his tank permanently scarred the Imperial floor. And the Guild just doesn't care -- such a deliciously understated expression of contempt and real power. >Everything, in short, that >what little I watched of the garbage they're running on Sci-Fi is not. Oh, I don't know! I mean, the deserts scenes are too obviously fake, and the overall sense of visionary weirdness is nowhere near the Lynch film. But on the other hand, I think it is more true to the book. The Sci-Fi Channel version fully explores the nature of the Spice, and I think the Fremen are more true to the novels. Also, the worms and harvesters look less cheesy, more realistic. I dislike the Guild, though -- not alien enough for me. And the Mentats are less like human computers and too much like medieval advisors. And I also don't like the Harkonnens, again. While much closer to the novel's clan, I still think they are over the top -- I have always imagined them as Roman/Nazi hybrids, more grandiose, clever, and decadent, with Orson Welles as the Baron. I think it's too easy for a filmmaker to give into cliches with the Harkonnens, and go too wild with their excesses. I am also delighted to see the SciFi Channel movie explore scenes deleted from the Lynch, like the Dinner scene.... I just *love* the politics! >To begin with, no, it's not visually stunning at all. I laughed out >loud when I saw Reverend Mother Mohiam's snowy-owl meets Dimetrodon getup. That's a pretty good observation! I am picturing the mating that created that head-dress. >All but gone are the delicious browns and blacks of Lynch's production. >Instead we get a lot of standard space-opera gray and red. The Lynch >film's conception of the world of Dune had a strongly historical flavor >to it that I responded to above all. It looks better than I expected, >but you couldn't match the art direction Lynch got. True, but I enjoy this version's *alternate* historical production -- very, very Renaissance in concept. The Reverend Mothers, the Guildsmen reps, the Sardukar -- all very flavorful of the late medieval early Reniassance period. Though I likthe Lynch versions better, I still think that's pretty cool. I also love the international cast! It adds such an exotic flavor, making it *seem* like a cast of characters assembled from the far corners of the universe. >The acting is passable at best, but I just think it was miscast. Lady >Jessica looks and behaves like a drowned rat (not quite a barnyard animal, >but close enough, I suppose). She has zero charisma. Might as well have >cast Marina Sirtis. Ouch! I disagree here. I think she is a fine Lady Jessica! Though the part was *made* for Emma Thompson! (Can we agree on this?) >Paul, it should go without saying, is an annoying >dud. He makes me itch just looking at him and I don't believe in his >superiority for an instant. I agree to some extent, though I can live with him. I love Kyle McLoughlin (sp?), but he was too reserved and "kind" for me to believe as Paul. I think a hybrid of the two is in order. I can't think of a single actor who would convince me as Paul.... Matt Damon? A young Val Kilmer? Grrr? >I can't fucking understand Gurney Halleck, >though he is uglier than Patrick Stewart by a mile so somebody read the >book. Heh heh heh.... >Leto...I know they needed a little star power, but William Hurt >sucks so enormously. I hate him and I can't wait to watch the scene where >he dies again. I thought he was good, too. I like William Hurt. >Baron Harkonnen? Apart from the homoeroticism being >turned up a notch in the person of his cute little servant boy, he's >basically Lynch's Harkonnen with slightly less drool. Yeah, I know -- but imagine Orson Welles! As a conniving genius, a decadent Hermann-Goering like character.... The best character for me in the new version is Liet Kynes. I think he stole the first half of the show! >I didn't watch much of the movie, but lots of crucial scenes were pretty >damn similar to Lynch's film. The gom jabbar scene, for instance. The >good stuff was bitten from Lynch. I think maybe the good stuff was similar to Lynch because at those times, both were faithful to the book! Anyway, I do hope you keep watching -- I think it is a fine production, with its heart in the right place. - --Naib Quail'humh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:52:12 -0800 From: "The Primaeval Buttock Display" Subject: eb all over the world *sigh* it's just about incomprehensible to me that the soft boys are actually touring the united states without andy. as robyn has said, it's ridiculous that you can show somebody's head getting blown off, but you can't show an erection. i didn't so much end his career (if i recall) as cause him a lot of grief. he apparently used the term ("little monkey") quite frequently. referred to his grandkids that way, and so on. he was one of the most outspoken and eloquent opponents of racism every to appear on television. sure. don't you remember my post the other day about the walrus and hedgehog bone(r)s? i didn't even find out about Dune until i was on my way to work sunday -- by which time it was too late to set the vcr. i watched a few minutes last night. wasn't blown away, but, like andrew, will want to watch the entire thing when/if its re-run. this new paul is old enough to be herbert's paul's grandaddy! (though i always thought that herbert's paul was just a little too young to be so accomplished. even granting that any budding messiah's gonna need to be fairly precocious, you gotta at least be well into puberty before you begin goin' around winning wives via the knife.) how about dicaprio? KEN "Electiricty comes from other planets" THE KENSTER _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:05:07 -0800 From: "Randy R." Subject: Hooters and Golden Bozos I've done my best to stay out of the arguments regarding the Udderly Eb, but I must chime in by saying "boobs, I like them". And how bout that rack on Ted Kennedy? Best Rush sighting as of late........... http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment120500g.shtml Vince, Your Favorite Headache ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:01:55 -0600 From: steve Subject: Austin Fegs? >The Soft Boys  Robyn Hitchcock, Morris Windsor, Kimberley Rew and >Matthew Seligman will tour the US starting March 17 at the Austin Music >Hall in Austin, TX (part of SXSW). More dates to be announced soon. Any Austin Fegs left? What's up with the Austin Music Hall? - - Steve __________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:32:23 -0600 From: Henry Krinkle Subject: Re: Austin Fegs? on 12/5/00 8:01 PM, steve at schiavo@home.com wrote: >> The Soft Boys  Robyn Hitchcock, Morris Windsor, Kimberley Rew and >> Matthew Seligman will tour the US starting March 17 at the Austin Music >> Hall in Austin, TX (part of SXSW). More dates to be announced soon. > > > > Any Austin Fegs left? What's up with the Austin Music Hall? > > > > - Steve The Music Hall is a big, yucky place. I think it holds about 3000-4000 people. I'm thrilled that the Soft Boys are playing here, but I really hate the Music Hall and all of the politics surrounding SXSW. Your pal, Zelda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:52:17 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: LA fegs? I'm going to be in and around Los Angeles, from Dec 27 to Jan 5. I'd like to meet any of you who are around there. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 01:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Trickster Christopher Gross wrote: > -I once saw, in Maximumrocknroll magazine, a photo series showing > Jello Biafra getting nude onstage. The interesting thing was that he > wasn't taking his clothes off -- they were being *ripped* off his > body. (As I recall, it wasn't clear from the photos how much of the > ripping he did himself and how much was done by the audience.) on one of his spoken wurd records, when talking about the foolishness of concert rating laws, he refers to DK audiences occasionally helping themselves to his clothes with a tone of voice that makes it sound like it was rarely his idea, and how it would have been hard to rate their shows since he never knew when this was going to happen. ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:09:45 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: red-faced with laughter... Blatzman wrote >I must apologize. I let your ugly smugness get the best of me and I let a >bit of anger into the tone of my last piece. If you lack the sensitivity to >see your own condescension, I shouldn't take it out on you. I feel sorry for >you... This is the funniest thing I've *red* in a while. You'll do well in Hollywood, Blatzy - after all, chutzpah is certainly one of the prequisites...and self-awareness seems in very short supply in your chosen biz... jmbc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #358 *******************************