From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #357 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 09 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sci Fi ["J. Brown" ] oppressively pc... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] soft boys news [drop the holupki ] Robyn Hitchock interview [drop the holupki ] Matador News Update for 4 December 2000 [drop the holupki ] Re: a witness in a cocktail bar [Bayard ] Hit it Pearl!!!!! [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Peter Pumpkinghead ["Russ Reynolds" ] arrakis. dune. [your message here] ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] coloratura with boobs (Lennon content 5%) [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: 2001 [steve ] Fwd: Soft Boys Reunion [steve ] Re: coloratura with boobs [Chris Franz ] Re: arrakis. dune. [No 4 hour version] [steve ] Re: a witness in a cocktail bar [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: coloratura with boobs [grutness@surf4nix.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:54:33 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Sci Fi On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, The Great Quail wrote: > By the way, have you been watching "Dune" on the SciFi Channel? It's > been pretty good! Not as visually stunning as the Lynch film, but > more genuine and comprehensible.... It's pretty decent, although the lynch film is better even if it is a bit obtuse. The combination of the new dune and watching hours of CSPAN all day cause me to have a dream in which the Bush family were the Atriedes and the Clinton's the Harkonen very frightening! Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "The whole Bush family, from Texas, should be boiled in poison oil." -Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:25:15 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: oppressively pc... "Less artsy, more fartsy!" - -Homer Simpson I'm on the digest and a little behind. I'm sure there are those who think of me as such, anyway. Okay. I need to get this off my chest. It is impossible for me to imagine being oppressed by yabbos. Also, if I was capable of imagining that, I'm not certain that I would retain my negative association with the word "oppression." I have spent much of my life in a disciplined way of rigidly avoiding glancing at that which my eyes might enjoy with the effort at being a gentleman. Such effort is often appreciated by others, but, in the long run, has made me feel dishonest. I'm now much more accepting of the element of me that can not just appreciate the existence of mammaries (as an example), but take joy in their presence. Of course, each morsel is only part of the feast, and no singular element is the whole of that feast of life. A glance is okay- I try to avoid staring, though. Life is a rich tapestry that has many elements. Sometimes attempting to conceal a physical or sensual component from performance or art or literature makes it "nice for the whole family" but removes its worth. To remove some part of a thing's nature with the intent of marketing that thing is to reduce its value as art. In the country from which I send this, we have grown to being freaky about bodies. At the same time as having the brimstone chronicles pneumatically drilled into our heads about sin and lust, we are titillated by all sides. I think people choose to get freaky and nutty about this stuff, and it is just a choice. Incidentally, this focus, fear, and other mania is what gives those who utilize it in marketing power over others. I guess I'm for letting hang out what you want, and that your audience take responsibility for how they deal with it, including their possession of rights to look or run away. I also think the performer should be able to deal with it when people feel shocked/thrilled/oppressed by his/her/its hangy-outs, etc. The impression that someone displaying skin is being disgraceful or slutty seems sad to me. Maybe it's true that if the art isn't about "tits" then tits aren't necessarily germane to the presentation; but I like it when somebody decides not to wear or act in a way that meets expectation- especially if this means being whoever they are without a need to making me comfy. I think art is diluted when it is too carefully packaged for consumption- like buying a painting to match the sofa, or utilizing fashion marketing to objectify the art in some other way. I will take oppressive udders over repressed social culture any day. It would also be hard to convince me that "a little slutty" is necessarily a terrible thing, but I digress. I've rambled too long, but I doubt that anybody ever got me to buy a cd at nipple-point or cleavie-point. I should also admit that I may not be above it in every theoretical scenario, though. I am willing to take part in a focus group.... Yea, this probably makes me appear less gentlemanly and PC, but I think I'm finally getting in touch and becoming increasingly comfortable with my inner piglet. Now that I'm done with that, I think it only fair to say that I think that Martha has a great and infectious smile. Before I saw her smile, I thought she was physically unremarkable, but when she did smile, she really lit up. I consider her writing is better than that of most songwriters, and that I have heard some very good pieces from her. She is a good singer, is extremely bright, and interviews quite well. As in all things, your mileage is likely to vary. And I'll probably get over it if you think I'm a jerk from the planet of the apes. Just please don't confuse me with that guy in the NRA who used to wave guns around and pretend he's god and stuff, I'm a different ape...man...shark... boy...thing. Happies, - -M(sh)ark(boy)g Not the sharpest pair of scissors in the drawer, but dangerous to run with, nevertheless. (okay, not very dangerous at all) PLANET PROJECT will connect millions of people worldwide through the combined technology of 3Com and the Internet. Find out more and register now at http://www.planetproject.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:54:50 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: soft boys news the auditorium has been updated: SOFT BOYS TOUR! CD REISSUE! The Soft Boys  Robyn Hitchcock, Morris Windsor, Kimberley Rew and Matthew Seligman  will tour the US starting March 17 at the Austin Music Hall in Austin, TX (part of SXSW). More dates to be announced soon. There will also be some warm-up dates in the UK prior to the US tour, as well as a European tour in April. These dates will also be announced shortly. Underwater Moonlight will be reissued worldwide by Matador Records on March 13. This will be a 2-disc set, with the first disc being the original album. The second will feature previously unreleased rehearsal recordings of the Soft Boys from 1979 and 1980. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:55:58 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Robyn Hitchock interview >Subject: Robyn Hitchock interview >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:24:27 -0800 >From: "Lisa Klein" >To: > >Robyn Hitchock recently did an interview with Redband Broadcasting's >Music Backstage program. Feel free to use the following link on your >site if you'd like to add to your content. > >Feel free to give me a call or e-mail with any questions, etc. > >Best, > >Lisa Klein >Manager, Artist and Guest Relations >Redband Broadcasting >www.Redband.com >(415) 252-1180 >Lisa@redband.com > >ROBYN HITCHOCK/MUSIC BACKSTAGE LINK: >http://www.redband.com/backstage?id=442&launch_player=y ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:57:47 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Matador News Update for 4 December 2000 from the latest matador news shot: >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:49:06 -0500 (EST) >From: matthew@matadorrecords.com >Reply-To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >To: woj@smoe.org >Subject: Matador News Update for 4 December 2000 > > [...] > >The Soft Boys -- Resurfacing in 2001 > >If we didn't have enough huge already this week, check this >out: on March 13, Matador will be reissuing 'Underwater >Moonlight,' the classic 1980 album from The Soft Boys. While >the band are still shifting through old photos and >memorabilia, we can tell you that this package will differ >significantly from Rykodisc's last version of Underwater >Moonlight (ie. Additional art, liner notes, etc.), as well as >a bonus CD of previously unreleased rehearsal recordings. >We're also planning a vinyl version (though god knows how all >of it will fit). > >The Soft Boys' 'Underwater Moonlight' lineup of Robyn >Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Matthew Seligman and Morris Windsor >are currently rehearsing for a U.S. tour in early 2001, >followed by European dates. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: a witness in a cocktail bar On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Masshole Otherfucker wrote: > well, by this logic you could argue that there's no such thing as > "gratuitous nudity". *any* nudity (or any other, uh, extraneous > signal) will "change your perception of what's gonna be inside". [...] > i just think the phrase is used far too casually, > is all. I think there is no such thing as gratuitous nudity. I also think America could do with a lot more nudity and less violence. Take a page from Europe's book, where nudity is no big deal. It is, by definition, natural. I wonder if those who cry "gratuitous" at nudity in film are uncomfortable with how seeing such things make them feel. I know it is sometimes used with salicious intent. But that is in films that are aimed at the prurient to begin with (usually. Yeah, sometimes the filmmaker is getting his/her proverbial jollies.). Nudity is part of life, and film is an artistic depiction of life. Deal with it, ye Puritans! > have been hounded off this list a long time ago.> you know, I only just recently hear about how howard cosell (?) ended his career with the (apparent) racial slur. i don't think he meant it that way and that's really sad. I don't think Eb meant it that way either. Maybe he just hasn't had any sex in a while. Give a guy a break. Welcome back, Ross and Mark! =b ps. *are* there any Black people on the list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:30:49 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Hit it Pearl!!!!! In a message dated 12/4/2000 6:32:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << What this fellow says is that domestic BO, foreign BO, and video distribution make up roughly thirds... so a US$25M domestic for a US$75M film would break dead even... plus have eighty more years of paying off the man. >> My God, you just don't pay attention! a $25m gross for Red Planet means a $12m return to the studio. I'm glad you read the article and paid no attention to it! The article means something to me cause it is the model that was taught to me at USC. It is the model I trust. <> I must apologize. I let your ugly smugness get the best of me and I let a bit of anger into the tone of my last piece. If you lack the sensitivity to see your own condescension, I shouldn't take it out on you. I feel sorry for you... <> Nobody is disputing this. I don't think anybody even cares about it. But you go on with your bad self <> <> I bet you did the Superior Dance with Church Lady every Saturday. I didn't say I was in the business before. But now I will. I am in the business. HIT IT PEARL!!!!! How do you know what I am in the business of doing? Commercials are only a part of what I do. And I guess Low Budget is relative. I'm currently working on a National Spot. Ooooh Ahhhhh. A lot of people on this list have seen something I've cut. My budgets soar way above regular regional commercials. ALL of my spots are shot on 35MM. That is 35MM film, by the way. It's the same people shooting the commercial as it is shooting the film. And cutting commercials is what I have been doing for the past 2 years. Before that I was a staff editor working on Biographies. Does that put me in the "Biz" enough for you? And before that I cut 3 award winning short films. One of them was awarded a student academy award. Laugh if you want, but I know a lot of people who would love to be able to say they've cut a film that was honored by the Academy. My company is also developing 2 scripts. It's all about money, but we've got some investors... I've also finished a few scripts that I am trying to shop around. I would be stupid not to call myself "in the biz". You see, I'm actively working to get films made. I've seen 2 of my roommates in college go on to wild success. You've seen one of the films my roommate wrote... and seen another film that another roommate edited. Everyone I know in Los Angeles is in the business, and it's not something to be proud of or ashamed of. It just is. <> If this makes your list of adventures in Film, then you shouldn't say that you work in the biz <> Darn! No more rebuttals with false information and bad math! But who will divert the point towards internet garbage that nobody was interested in talking about? NEVER FEAR, CHURCH LADY IS HERE!!!!! HIT IT PEARL!!!! Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Peter Pumpkinghead > Given his religious views, I doubt that Andy would write anything about > Jesus. That thought did cross my mind. But one wouldn't necesarily have to believe in God to write an observational song about what Jesus the man did while he was on this earth. While he says "it's as much about John Lennon as it is JFK" the story clearly parallels Jesus' life closer than it does the lives of either of those two men, whether Andy realizes it or not (and he'd have to be an idiot not to). - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: arrakis. dune. [your message here] > From: GSS > I love boobs, though they can be distracting. I like small ones, big > ones, > pointed, round, pale and dark. I just like girls period. And then there > are the butts. I love butts even more than boobs. Goddamn it I like > butts. I > think girls are kick-ass, big, small, short and tall. They rule my > world, > and most everything else. Absolutely queer! And on behalf of the entire gay community...you're welcome! > From: Capuchin > theater, and spent maybe three weeks fooling around with the cast and > crew > of My Own Private Idaho on the set in high school. The image of you "fooling around" with, say, River Phoenix is making my knees weak. Did you take pictures? > From: Asshole Motherfucker > > well, by this logic you could argue that there's no such thing as > "gratuitous nudity". *any* nudity (or any other, uh, extraneous > signal) will "change your perception of what's gonna be inside". Yeah, I guess. My favorite illustration of "gratuitous nudity" is in the "Scott of the Sahara" episode of Python, where the female lead's clothing is mysteriously torn from her body by objects she passes (like a cactus) while fleeing a lion or something. I agree with you that the term is applied more frequently than is appropriate. > From: The Great Quail > By the way, have you been watching "Dune" on the SciFi Channel? It's > been pretty good! Not as visually stunning as the Lynch film, but > more genuine and comprehensible.... Gaahhhhh! I just _knew_ you would be the one to say this. I'll admit again my terrible lapse in taste: I saw the 4-hour version of Lynch's _Dune_ before I ever read the book and I _loved_ it. Then I read the book and loved that even more. Why did I love Lynch's _Dune_? Well, in its 4-hour form I found it comprehensible, but more than that, lusciously beautiful, peopled with a charismatic cast, strongly (if eccentrically) acted, and utterly immersive. Everything, in short, that what little I watched of the garbage they're running on Sci-Fi is not. To begin with, no, it's not visually stunning at all. I laughed out loud when I saw Reverend Mother Mohiam's snowy-owl meets Dimetrodon getup. All but gone are the delicious browns and blacks of Lynch's production. Instead we get a lot of standard space-opera gray and red. The Lynch film's conception of the world of Dune had a strongly historical flavor to it that I responded to above all. It looks better than I expected, but you couldn't match the art direction Lynch got. The acting is passable at best, but I just think it was miscast. Lady Jessica looks and behaves like a drowned rat (not quite a barnyard animal, but close enough, I suppose). She has zero charisma. Might as well have cast Marina Sirtis. Paul, it should go without saying, is an annoying dud. He makes me itch just looking at him and I don't believe in his superiority for an instant. I can't fucking understand Gurney Halleck, though he is uglier than Patrick Stewart by a mile so somebody read the book. Leto...I know they needed a little star power, but William Hurt sucks so enormously. I hate him and I can't wait to watch the scene where he dies again. Baron Harkonnen? Apart from the homoeroticism being turned up a notch in the person of his cute little servant boy, he's basically Lynch's Harkonnen with slightly less drool. I didn't watch much of the movie, but lots of crucial scenes were pretty damn similar to Lynch's film. The gom jabbar scene, for instance. The good stuff was bitten from Lynch. The rest was clumsy and unfocused. The Guild Steersman looked like an X-Files reject (I really like Barlowe's conception), and his container looked like the one from Lynch's film. Is the ship cylindrical in the book, or is that another bite? I'm gonna watch it all. I might change my mind. But it looks to me like this one has all the flaws of the Lynch version and then some, with none of its virtues. What did I miss? Drew P.S. Oh yes. And where did they ever get the idea for the voiceover in the beginning? ===== Andrew D. Simchik: drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:13:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: grrr Natalie toed the Portland partyline: >So Martha Wainwright, a respectable musician who happens to be female and >perhaps plumper than average (I haven't seen her picture) decides to show >some cleavage onstage. All of a sudden, she is no longer respectable. >She is no longer even HUMAN. She's a BARNYARD ANIMAL. > >Folks, this isn't just a matter of "Gosh, she sure looked goofy with all >that cleavage showing." This is HATE, pure and simple - hate and disgust >towards women's bodies and women's sexuality. Would Eb have referred to a >man as a barnyard animal if he took his shirt off onstage? I doubt it. >Only women get that treatment - only women are reduced to animals when >they dare to express themselves with anything other than with perfect >modest decorum. Perhaps Eb would have been happier - and less threatened >- if Ms. Wainwright had dressed in full Muslin body and face veils, so he >wouldn't have to see her vile "udders" and disgusting, >less-than-stick-thin body. > >If Eb talked about black people the way he talks about women, he would >have been hounded off this list a long time ago. Imagine what would >happen if Eb compared a black musician to an animal (say, an ape) simply >because he was black. We'd never hear the end of it. But when a woman is >referred to as a cow, that's apparently just fine and dandy. This post is totally ludicrous. Then again, I gave up making sense of your massive moodswings toward me, months ago. If I resubscribe to Chalkhills, will you suddenly like me again? Let's tabulate my sins, shall we? I'm now as bad as a racist, I think Martha deserves to be raped, etc. etc. etc. If only *Rufus* could generate such interest.... Zzz, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:43:49 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: coloratura with boobs (Lennon content 5%) El Cordorniz Grande a dicho (?): >>Not only do I often let borderline decisions rest on the cover, but I'm >>also powerfully affected by the colors chosen when I'm listening to the >>music. Music "sounds" like a particular color for me, and it's usually >>the dominant color on the album cover. > >Yes! Yes! Yes! I thought I was the only crazy one who "sees" color in >music! A whole album is definitely affected by the dominant color >scheme of the cover, even a black and white photograph..... I tend to think in this way too at times. And ISTR Robyn talks in synaesthetic tones, calling some chords 'greener' or 'yellower' than others. >Courtney Hole loves to dress provocatively because she *wants* to >embody with the rebellious female rocker girl image, she emphasizes >her sex in order to make a statement about power and politics. It is >a choice, and one entirely appropriate for the overall feel of her >band. Courtney showing some open boob is very different than, say, >Renee Fleming flashing her breasts in an opera recital, which would >be a major and almost indecipherable breach in culture. When Tori >straddles her hard piano bench and rocks back and forth, when Bono >decks out in black leather and pops champagne corks into crowds of >women, when Elvis gyrates his hips or ice-queen Annie Lennox rips off >her shirt to sing in a severe bra..... It is impossible to not read >messages into these! Figures like Bowie and Madonna have made careers >out of manipulating the semiotics of clothing and sexual identity. > >Granted, these are obvious examples, but what's good for the goose, >is good for the gander. Martha Wainright *knows* she shows lots of >cleavage; so despite Cappy's indignant protestation that we should >remain impossibly neutral to all sexual semiotics, it does indeed >pose the question "what message is she sending?" Is she flirty? >Deliberately careless? Searching for a child-bearing fellow? Does she >expose herself to add a certain "kink" to her otherwise sweet-toned >music? what the bird said! 100% in agreement! (This statement does not, however, mean that I disagree with Viv's point - the two are not mutually exclusive). Plus a bonus point for occasionally using SF rather than sci-fi as an abbreviation for science fiction :) >Finished watching the john lennen story on NBC, while my husband >finished watching the Dune mini series on SCI Fi. The lennon story >was not well acted, but was entertaining for a sunday night, and I >never seem to tire of hearing the story of how the beatles formed. >i would give it 2 stars. I suspect I'll be watching a video of "Backbeat" on the 9th. If you haven't seen that, it's a pretty good biopic of the Stu Sutcliffe/John Lennon friendship. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:48:43 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: 2001 Gene Hopstetter: >I cannot wait to see "2001" when it's rereleased next year. Oh man, is that >gonna rock. December 31, 2000, if you're in the right place. - - Steve ___________ Hey, hey, hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are. - B. Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:48:50 -0600 From: steve Subject: Fwd: Soft Boys Reunion - ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Found out about this on the AOL Powerpop bulletin board -- The original Soft Boys line up is reuniting to coincide with yet another reissue of their classic UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT LP. Robyn, Morris, Andy and Kimberly will kick off a three week U.S. tour at South-By-Southwest on March 16, 2001. - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- - - Steve __________ I'd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:49:42 -0800 From: Chris Franz Subject: Re: coloratura with boobs James wrote: >Plus a bonus point for occasionally using SF rather than sci-fi >as an abbreviation for science fiction :) I have to disagree with this; referring to surreal high-tech weirdness going on in SF can be awfully ambiguous. - - Chris in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:58:37 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: arrakis. dune. [No 4 hour version] Andrew D. Simchik: >I saw the 4-hour version of Lynch's _Dune_ >before I ever read the book and I _loved_ it. The often rumored 4-hour European version of Dune does not exist. What you saw was a recut version for TV. Take out the commercials and it's slightly over 3 hours. It's an Alan Smithee credit, because Lynch wouldn't have anything to do with it. He did once say that he could achieve his original vision for the film, but he didn't want take a year out of his life to do it. - - Steve __________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: a witness in a cocktail bar Bayard wrote: > I think it was gNat sed: > > If Eb talked about black people the way he talks about women, he > > would have been hounded off this list a long time ago. > > you know, I only just recently hear about how howard cosell ended > his career with the (apparent) racial slur. i don't think he meant > it that way and that's really sad. I don't think Eb meant it that > way either. Maybe he just hasn't had any sex in a while. Give a guy > a break. we tend to refer to other people (and the characteristics) by animal terms all the time. snide women are called "catty" or "bitchy"; sexist men are called "pigs"; slutty men are called "dogs"; people who moved in a very sleet manner are often called "feline"; lawyers are "snakes"; informants are "rats"; blah blah blah. Cosell had become a bit of a self-parody anyways, so i think his referring to Alvin Garrett as a little monkey (presumably because of his agility) was more the excuse than the reason, especially considering that Cosell had for most of his career been thought of as very supportive of black athletes; in fact, wasn't he one of the first prominant white people to defend Muhammed Ali's stance on Vietnam? White people in this country are so bloody hypocritcal about this sort of shit anyways; Al Campanis wouldn't have lasted 45 years in baseball if a solid majority of the white owners hadn't agreed that blacks lacked the "necessities" to manage (nevermind "necessities" was never defined: was it intelligence? experience? blacks certainly weren't/ aren't give the latter). was Jimmy the Greek's comments (that slavery may have contributed to the higher success rate of black athletes because slaves were selectively bred by their owners, sort of like you do with cattle) racist or about the legacy of racism? at the very least there should have been discussion about the merits of what he said, but a lot of people would have been too uncomfortable not so much because it might point out some alleged "benefit" of slavery blacks received (i hear conservatives say shit like that all the time; usually when comparing the us to africa), but because it would point out just how sub-human the treatment of slaves was. [of course, Jimmy the Greek should have been taken off the air because his predictions were so bloody awful; if you are going to have a bookie on your nfl pre-show, he should at least be a capable one.] ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:21:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: coloratura with boobs >James wrote: >>Plus a bonus point for occasionally using SF rather than sci-fi >>as an abbreviation for science fiction :) > >I have to disagree with this; referring to surreal high-tech weirdness >going on in SF can be awfully ambiguous. > >- Chris in San Francisco heh. Well, sf is the usual designation for science fiction by those 'in the know', to stop that sort of confusion. Anything but the awful "sci-fi". Then again, isn't the whole point of acronyms and abbreviations to increase ambiguity and confusion? ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #357 *******************************