From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #352 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 09 : Number 352 Today's Subjects: ----------------- bo [duke], don't you want me? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Lennon tributes/amplitude [grutness@surf4nix.com] If you think you've heard everything... [grutness@surf4nix.com] RE: "Cute Roofsie" [Terrence Marks ] It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet [BLATZMA] Re: Annie uz hottre en a tooo dollur pizdul [GSS ] more boobs [Natalie Jacobs ] revision [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet [Ca] Storefront Hithcock ["linnig" ] hey! i had that shirt too! [Bayard ] RE: more boobs ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: more boobs [Terrence Marks ] RE: more boobs [Capuchin ] RE: more boobs [Marcy Tanter ] RE: more boobs ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: more boobs [Terrence Marks ] RE: more boobs [Terrence Marks ] Re: It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet [Je] Re: more boobs [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:54:52 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: bo [duke], don't you want me? >From: "Russ Reynolds" >A friend of mine also reminded me about "Seconds" by the Human League--just >about the only thing worthwhile on the Dare album. Yeah, but "Don't You Want Me" is simply immortal. Even when I hear it today, I still can't get over how cheesy and cool it still sounds...like "Copacabana" sung by David Bowie. >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > >If you really want to have Reply-To set to the list, it's just one line >in one's .procmailrc to set it. No biggie. (a) I don't care, as I said in the message you edited. (b) I don't have a fucking .procmailrc. At least not one I can access. I miss my shell account. >From: Eb >1. Her shirt was unbuttoned so low, her cleavage extended to *beneath* her >breasts. That's a bit extravagant, don't you think? I would say it probably is, yeah. >2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth >showcasing. I haven't seen her, but some of us tend to appreciate female forms that in LA would be considered "decidedly plump." It's a matter of taste; Amy Correia, for example, wouldn't excite me at all. >Furthermore, he says the song was written about a Paris journalist who >interviewed him, later "made out" with him, then brushed him off and >exploited their affair for his article. Ugh. Our boy is so vulnerable. The naif! >From: Eb > >Vivadiva: >>I honestly did not mean to send that to the list. I am sorry. > >This may throw some cold water on Andrew's recent "reply-to" arguments. ;) Hey, Reply-To wasn't even set and she made the mistake! Proof that greater "control" does not mean fewer errors (usually it means the opposite). >From: Capuchin > >I've never seen her in person, but these images range from really nice >shaped to a bit sturdier. I wouldn't even go so far as to say they're >"stout", let alone "plump". Agreed. She's not uncute but not really my type. I'll stick with Rufus. >From: Eb >In >contrast, the drummer was kinda muscular/big-boned, and looked more like a >goth version of Stockard Channing. Sticky-teased black hair, tacky >post-Siouxsie eye makeup and a sleeveless shirt which showed off her >luxuriant armpit fur. Zoiks. Rufus...goth Stockard Channing. Rufus...goth Stockard Channing. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:16:53 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Lennon tributes/amplitude >> Subject: Re: lennon tributes >> >> you musn't forget Don't Call Me Mark Chapman by Julian Cope... > >Thanks s'more. hm. since you obviously didn't notice the Julian Cope one when I mentioned it, I'll also re-mention "Liverpool to America" by the Knobz. I'd be very surprised if you manage to find a copy, and it was bloody 'orrible anyway. It was on an album called "Sudden Exposure", and was also a single. The album occasionally turns up at second hand shops here in NZ, and on NZ-based web retailers like Wonderland Records. If you're *really* interested I could try to hunt for a copy, but it's been a while since I've seen one, and, as I said, it is moderately fetid. >A friend of mine also reminded me about "Seconds" by the Human League--just >about the only thing worthwhile on the Dare album. For some reason I always >thought that song was about JFK (I think I must have been thrown by the >metaphorical use of the word "parade" ) but the Lennon connection is pretty >obvious now that I look at the lyrics again. similarly, ISTR that Andy Partridge has stated that (despite the video clip) XTC's "The ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" is as much about Lennon as JFK. >> > 2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth >> > showcasing. >> >> Quail (and Viv, accidentally) already dispatched this one handily. Turns >> out there are as many variations on body-preference as there are body types. >> I happen to fall in the Quail camp here. In the words of RH, "gimme meat". to quote a sadly now deceased friend, when looking at a picture of Kate Moss: "what's the point of that one? You can't grapple with a garden rake! All bones!" James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:32:00 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: If you think you've heard everything... try: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/newsid_1039000/1039072.stm James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:59:36 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: "Cute Roofsie" On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > > Does anyone have a link to a pix of Martha Wainright? I am > > curious as to what > > she looks like.... > > Careful, she's got them boobies. > > http://www.outtasightsandsounds.com/photos/wainwright_m/martha.html I'm going to have to stand up and say that, yes, some of these pictures feature more cleavage than I prefer in my folk-singers. (I still wouldn't call her plump, though) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:19:24 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet In a message dated 12/1/2000 11:59:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << nothing like a Disney movie, or whatever, but still...), and I can guarantee you that Blockbuster (at least here in Fremont) will have anywhere from 50-100 copies in stock. Be >> Hey, I grew up in Fremont! Glad to see some aspiring film makers in the old stomping grounds!!!!!! I shot a bunch of stuff at Lake Elizabeth. Ahhh, yes, Fremont. How I love thee... By the way, your numbers do nothing to bolster capucino's arguments cause I have only seen speculation as to how much money is made off video. Unfortunately my info is about 6 years old and pre DVD. But at that time ancillary markets did not make up more than 25%, on average, of what a film pulled in in theaters. This info came straight from the mouth of the man who I entirely trust since he studied and formed box office models for many many years. Revenue in perpetuity is so much more complicated than saying "Oh, blockbuster is buying X amount at Y dollars, so the film will break even" We had an entire class based on this at USC, and it's complexity was staggering. FIlms do not break even nearly as often as you claim. My whole argument was that not all films break even. Cappucino did in fact state that all big studio films turn a profit over time. This is absolutely not true. This is what I take issue with. Every number I quote is easily confirmed on regularly published box office schedules. Maybe you can tell me where to find the info on how much a studio makes on video release. I'm sure the number has changed over the past 6 years, but I doubt the percentages have gone up that much. GOoooooooo Fremont. Oh, BrewPub on the Green, How I miss you!!!!! Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:51:05 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Annie uz hottre en a tooo dollur pizdul > Dioxins, be they ferons or PCBs are a problem, I read this and noticed a couple mistakes and so you don't think I am even more of an idiot, I had to send a correction. First, it is furans, not ferons. I have no idea how it could it could have come out that way, but it did. That is what I get for typing a note and hitting CTRL-X without first reading what I have just typed. Second, I somtimes mistakingly refer to furans and PCBs as dioxins, but they are not, though they are all endocrine disruptors. The line should have read: "Dioxins, furans and PCBs are a problem" gss np-Poinciana, Abdul Jamal-1958 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:08:07 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: more boobs Against my better judgement, I went to see Riot Grrl-ers Bratmobile last night, and actually enjoyed the show. The opening band was called Tennessee Twin, they were from Vancouver, B.C., and much to my surprise, they were an old-school country band! They were awesome! The singer (who also played mandolin) is the identical twin sister of the singer from Bratmobile. She did goofy little shuffle dances during the instrumental breaks. The accordianist had a big Sacred Heart tattoo on her arm and screwed up her face soulfully when she sang. Of course, the indie kids were mainly indifferent to their greatness, thuogh there was a brief outbreak of dosi-do-ing at one point. The next band, the Aisler Set, were much hyped by my friends, and for some reason I thought they would be a spacy psych band a la the Olivia Tremor Control, but alas, they were just another indie-pop band. I kept waiting for them to do something original or interesting, but no such luck. The singer had a gorgeous 12-string Guild electric guitar, and the keyboardist played a lovely Vox organ. I guess they spent so much money on instruments that they couldn't afford a better record collection. For all the Riot Grrl hype, Bratmobile are really just another punk band - but a good, fun punk band. The singer yelped a lot and danced extremely athletically about the stage, while the guitarist, legs straddled like Joey Ramone, seriously rocked out. She was small, stocky and black-haired like myself, so of course I was lost in admiration. The drummer looked like an escapee from a '50's girl gang. I was expecting quasi-feminist harangues in between songs, but instead the singer just chattered cheerfully and giggled a lot. She was wearing an *extremely* short, *extremely* tight camoflague-patterned dress, and white panties. Naturally, since I could see her secondary sex characteristics, I couldn't take her seriously. :P Anyway, they were pretty darn cool and put on a good, rockin' show. So that was my night filled with estrogen (not to mention progesterone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and possibly even prolactin). n. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: revision >Naturally, since I could see her secondary sex characteristics, I >couldn't take her seriously. :P Anyway, they were pretty darn cool and >put on a good, rockin' show. I mean that Bratmobile put on a good show, not the singer's secondary sex characteristics. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > By the way, your numbers do nothing to bolster capucino's arguments cause I > have only seen speculation as to how much money is made off video. > Unfortunately my info is about 6 years old and pre DVD. But at that time > ancillary markets did not make up more than 25%, on average, of what a film > pulled in in theaters. > > Maybe you can tell me where to find the info on how much a studio > makes on video release. I'm sure the number has changed over the past > 6 years, but I doubt the percentages have gone up that much. There's an article full of bullshit and fearmongering in the LA Times. There are certainly bullshit statistics on there like: "Pirates are downloading an estimated 270,000 films a day from the Internet by relying on similar file-swapping capabilities used to build Napster, according to Viant, a Boston-based consulting firm." But note the source of the stats and you'll see how full of shit this is. After all, 270,000 films per day at even crappy MP4 compression (assuming these pirates don't care about quality) is still a couple hundred Terrabytes each DAY. I'd love to see what networks those films are transitting. And I'd love to see how those statistics were gathered. Studio Revenues Studios are eager to capture a bigger share of the dollars from television but don't want to cannibalize their far more substantial revenues from home video. How studios' revenues break down: Home video: 46.6% TV: 28.8% Theatrical box office: 24.6% Source: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Los Angeles Times Does that help? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:39:10 -0700 From: "linnig" Subject: Storefront Hithcock My wife is searching high and low for a a copy of Storefront Hitchcock for x-mas. Can you help? Thanks Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: hey! i had that shirt too! http://www.bradthegame.com/martha-wainwright/images/martha-and-rufus-1980.jpg (don't look Eb... martha's dress is pretty small in this one) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:07:33 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: more boobs Apologies wherever they may be necessary, but I'd like to nominate Natalie for the Best Subject Line In The History Of Fegmaniax award. Maybe if more Nader posts had used that subject line he'd have gotten more votes. No sarcasm here, honest. I'm a little surprised when Eb and Terrence have the guts to admit (in this of all forums) that they have standards of dress that they apply to female performers. Maybe my instincts have been beaten down by years of PC tyranny, but isn't that, like, bad? I'm pretty sure that when I go to a club to see a new artist I at least _pretend_ that I'm not going to be influenced by her/his breasts/buns/testicles in deciding whether or not to take them seriously. Maybe (again, no sarcasm), maybe I'm full of shit. I'm far enough removed from the zeitgeist that it's entirely possible I've missed some kind of movement toward a certain decorum from folk singers, or performers in general (have I said "no sarcasm", because I know this sounds sarcastic). Anyway, it's a quiet night in fegland, anyone want to relate their tale of a show that was spoiled by the performer's dress (or lack thereof)? Iggy Pop and Red Hot Chili Peppers don't count. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: more boobs On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > No sarcasm here, honest. I'm a little surprised when Eb and Terrence have > the guts to admit (in this of all forums) that they have standards of dress > that they apply to female performers. Maybe my instincts have been beaten > down by years of PC tyranny, but isn't that, like, bad? I'm pretty sure > that when I go to a club to see a new artist I at least _pretend_ that I'm > not going to be influenced by her/his breasts/buns/testicles in deciding > whether or not to take them seriously. Well, I mean, it's a matter of how you present yourself. The image is part of the act (cf. David Bowie, the Velvet Underground, etc). I don't think you can entirely separate how someone looks from what they are. If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to take you seriously. That's just the way it is. > Maybe (again, no sarcasm), maybe I'm full of shit. I'm far enough removed > from the zeitgeist that it's entirely possible I've missed some kind of > movement toward a certain decorum from folk singers, or performers in > general (have I said "no sarcasm", because I know this sounds sarcastic). It's not a matter of decorum. I wouldn't trust a folk singer in a business suit either. > Anyway, it's a quiet night in fegland, anyone want to relate their tale of a > show that was spoiled by the performer's dress (or lack thereof)? Iggy Pop > and Red Hot Chili Peppers don't count. No, but I've had several shows that were _made_ by that. I've always had a soft spot for bands that looked the part. When I saw Jeremy Enigk, if he had been wearing a bowling shirt and jean shorts (with his chamber strings), I wouldn't've bothered with him. I was a big fan of Congratulations, a local psychedelic band that went for the London 1967 look; when I first saw them, it felt like I was transported back then and there. If they just played the music, that wouldn't've happened. Actually, I just remembered an Archers of Loaf show I went to a few years back. Their lead singer was balding and I spent the whole show thinking "These guys are too old to rock" and they didn't prove me wrong. Now, how many of you have bought (or failed to buy) an album because of the cover? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: more boobs On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Terrence Marks wrote: > If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to take > you seriously. That's just the way it is. But we're not talking about a clown nose and fright wig. Her dress was low-cut. I think Eb was getting at something furthering what he's said in the past: Women who wear revealing clothing should EXPECT to be treated like objects and are hypocritical or whining when they get offended by such treatment. I find that attitude really insulting. Control yourself and treat people with dignity. Being sexy doesn't mean being not respectable. > It's not a matter of decorum. I wouldn't trust a folk singer in a > business suit either. Not even Bob Roberts? Huddel: > > Anyway, it's a quiet night in fegland, anyone want to relate their > > tale of a show that was spoiled by the performer's dress (or lack > > thereof)? Iggy Pop and Red Hot Chili Peppers don't count. I saw The Cramps about fifteen years ago and Lux Interior came out in his somewhat traiditional PVC pants and jacket with zippers all over. He was so active (and hopped up on somethin') that he was sweating all over himself and the floor under his body. Eventually, he started peeling parts of his costume off and dropping them to his side. At one point, he was standing there, stripped to the waist, holding the mic on its stand and there was a solid stream of liquid pouring off his elbows... not individual drops, but a stream. After having stripped down to a pair of black pumps and black thong bikini, he scaled a tower of speakers and amplifiers until he was ten feet off the stage with no easy way down and nothing to stand behind. I stepped into the lounge and filled my water cup. I was gone for no more than fifteen seconds and the music and singing continued the whole time. However, when I returned he was in pink pumps and a pink thong. No idea how he did it, but kind of glad I missed it. That is all. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:31:18 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: RE: more boobs We saw Prince last night in Dallas and he was fabulous. His hair and dress were retro (for him), back to the 80s. Most of the music was also from the 80s and early 90s, probably all an attempt to remind us that "My name is Prince" and NOT "TAFKAP"!!! His new dancer, Jenita (sp?) wore lots of different outfits, one or two of which revealed more than I needed to see, but I'm sure lots of the men appreciated! Speaking of standards for dress, I really preferred Prince's hair as he wore it in the Batman video. I wish he'd always wear it that way.... Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:54:36 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: more boobs Terrence: > If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to take > you seriously. That's just the way it is. I imagine a case could be made that "serious" is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm way too bored to try to make it. > No, but I've had several shows that were _made_ by that. I've always had > a soft spot for bands that looked the part. When I saw Jeremy Enigk, if > he had been wearing a bowling shirt and jean shorts (with his chamber > strings), I wouldn't've bothered with him. I was a big fan of > Congratulations, a local psychedelic band that went for the London 1967 > look; when I first saw them, it felt like I was transported back then and > there. If they just played the music, that wouldn't've happened. Good point, but it may not apply so well to the idea that a female singer should only reveal a certain amount of tit. Presumably the goal there is less to evoke a certain style or era than to just look the way she/he wants to look. But if I haven't uncovered some sort of double-standard based on childish notions of feminine propriety, then it's just no fun. > Actually, I just remembered an Archers of Loaf show I went to a few years > back. Their lead singer was balding and I spent the whole show thinking > "These guys are too old to rock" and they didn't prove me wrong. Well this is just hurtful. Somehow I made it to 37 entertaining fantasies of rock stardom, but now *poof*. Damned receding hairline! > Now, how many of you have bought (or failed to buy) an album because of > the cover? Much better thread! Montrose's "Jump On It" when I was 9 or whatever. I'm sure I could think of some less embarrassing ones if my heart was in it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: more boobs On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Capuchin wrote: > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Terrence Marks wrote: > > If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to take > > you seriously. That's just the way it is. > > But we're not talking about a clown nose and fright wig. Her dress was > low-cut. That's not the point. Visual cues don't have to be extreme. You don't even have to consciously notice them. > I think Eb was getting at something furthering what he's said in the > past: Women who wear revealing clothing should EXPECT to be treated like > objects and are hypocritical or whining when they get offended by such > treatment. If you project an image, you're going to have to deal with the image you project. I never said anything about objects. Neither did Eb. We're just dealing with "serious" and "less serious". > I find that attitude really insulting. Control yourself and treat people > with dignity. Being sexy doesn't mean being not respectable. It does when you're a folk-singer! Picture Woody Guthrie singing in his underpants and tell me I'm not right! Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:30:50 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: RE: more boobs On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > Terrence: > > > If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to take > > you seriously. That's just the way it is. > > I imagine a case could be made that "serious" is in the eye of the beholder, > but I'm way too bored to try to make it. Perhaps. But cultural standards are what a majority of the beholders agree upon, so it's a moot point. > Good point, but it may not apply so well to the idea that a female singer > should only reveal a certain amount of tit. Image is image. There's different images for males and females on account of they look different. Generally speaking, there's a correlation between not being taken seriously and breast exposure. (or, um, vice-versa). Now, I don't know from the dress she wore. > Presumably the goal there is > less to evoke a certain style or era than to just look the way she/he wants > to look. But if I haven't uncovered some sort of double-standard based on > childish notions of feminine propriety, then it's just no fun. Oh, it's not a double standard. Eb would've probably complained if it were Rufus in the dress. > > Actually, I just remembered an Archers of Loaf show I went to a few years > > back. Their lead singer was balding and I spent the whole show thinking > > "These guys are too old to rock" and they didn't prove me wrong. > > Well this is just hurtful. Somehow I made it to 37 entertaining fantasies > of rock stardom, but now *poof*. Damned receding hairline! Well, the fact that they sounded too old to rock didn't help. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: It's a small Red Planet after all, it's a small small Red Planet BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: > << nothing like a Disney movie, or whatever, but still...), and I can > guarantee you that Blockbuster (at least here in Fremont) will have > anywhere from 50-100 copies in stock. Be >> > > Hey, I grew up in Fremont! Glad to see some aspiring film makers in > the old > stomping grounds!!!!!! I shot a bunch of stuff at Lake Elizabeth. > Ahhh, > yes, Fremont. How I love thee... you publicly declare your love for fremont, yet you want to be taken seriously? i mean, fremont, the city whose official mottos: at least we're not milpitas. ad hominemally...... ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:18:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: more boobs isn't one of the first things people mention in any review of a robyn show here what he was wearing? fair or not, we are visual beasts (except for ray charles) and the visual image is part of a show. and if you are trying to project a serious image (which i'm under the impression martha wainwright was), having half your tits sticking out (male OR female) is detrimental to the presentation, even if they are fantastic breasts. if Robyn showed up in a chestless unitard with a tiny horn on the crotch and chaps instead of purple jeans and a polka dot shirt, if would change the show. if andy bell showed up in the jeans and shirt instead of the chaps and unitard, it would change an erasure show (though that might be a good thing). it's not a male/female thing (though generally women do get more shit for these sorts of things), it's about the whole of the show. Terrence Marks wrote: > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Brian Huddell wrote: > > No sarcasm here, honest. I'm a little surprised when Eb and > > Terrence have the guts to admit (in this of all forums) that they > > have standards of dress that they apply to female performers. > > Maybe my instincts have been beaten down by years of PC tyranny, > > but isn't that, like, bad? I'm pretty sure that when I go to a > > club to see a new artist I at least _pretend_ that I'm not going > > to be influenced by her/his breasts/buns/testicles in deciding > > whether or not to take them seriously. > > Well, I mean, it's a matter of how you present yourself. The image > is part of the act (cf. David Bowie, the Velvet Underground, etc). I > don't think you can entirely separate how someone looks from what > they are. > > If your look says "Don't take me seriously", people aren't going to > take you seriously. That's just the way it is. > > > Maybe (again, no sarcasm), maybe I'm full of shit. I'm far enough > > removed from the zeitgeist that it's entirely possible I've missed > > some kind of movement toward a certain decorum from folk singers, > > or performers in general (have I said "no sarcasm", because I know > > this sounds sarcastic). > > It's not a matter of decorum. I wouldn't trust a folk singer in a > business suit either. > > > Anyway, it's a quiet night in fegland, anyone want to relate their > > tale of a show that was spoiled by the performer's dress (or lack > > thereof)? actually there was a red hot ch... > > Iggy Pop and Red Hot Chili Peppers don't count. err, nevermind. > No, but I've had several shows that were _made_ by that. I've always > had a soft spot for bands that looked the part. When I saw Jeremy > Enigk, if he had been wearing a bowling shirt and jean shorts (with > his chamber strings), I wouldn't've bothered with him. I was a big > fan of Congratulations, a local psychedelic band that went for the > London 1967 look; when I first saw them, it felt like I was > transported back then and there. If they just played the music, that > wouldn't've happened. > > Actually, I just remembered an Archers of Loaf show I went to a few > years back. Their lead singer was balding and I spent the whole show > thinking "These guys are too old to rock" and they didn't prove me > wrong. > > Now, how many of you have bought (or failed to buy) an album because > of the cover? ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #352 *******************************