From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #351 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 09 : Number 351 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lennon Tributes ["Russ Reynolds" ] impressed with others ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: usability of mailing lists ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: impressed with others [Christopher Gross ] Re: impressed with others [Capuchin ] more or less on-topic [dmw ] Re: Blah Blah Blatzman. [leahyc@tsainc.com] yet another reason to hate and fear cell phones [Bayard ] "Cute Roofsie" [Eb ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [The Great Quail ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Viv Lyon ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Viv Lyon ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Eb ] music, not botany [Bayard ] RE: "Cute Roofsie" ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: music, not botany [Eb ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Eleanore Adams ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Capuchin ] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Capuchin ] RE: "Cute Roofsie" ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: "Cute Roofsie" ["Brian Huddell" ] [ebmaniax-l] Blonde Redhead (5% Christmas-season weight gain content) [Eb] Re: "Cute Roofsie" [Eleanore Adams ] Re: music, not botany [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:37:51 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Lennon Tributes > Subject: Re: lennon tributes > > you musn't forget Don't Call Me Mark Chapman by Julian Cope... Thanks s'more. A friend of mine also reminded me about "Seconds" by the Human League--just about the only thing worthwhile on the Dare album. For some reason I always thought that song was about JFK (I think I must have been thrown by the metaphorical use of the word "parade" ) but the Lennon connection is pretty obvious now that I look at the lyrics again. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:58:12 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: impressed with others >From: Eb >At least five of the new songs had the same magic as the first album's >material -- that's good enough for me! Look forward to songs called "The >Consort," "Grey Gardens" and "Poses." Yowsa. The latter is just *achingly* >beautiful. "California" and "Cigarettes & Chocolate Milk" were almost as >good. Oh, that is such good news! I can't wait. When is it supposed to be out? >And jeebus, girl, fasten a couple more buttons on your >shirt! I grew weary of those oppressive udders. That is a _fascinating_ way of putting it. >From: hbrandt > >> I think he should work on toning down that nervous, effeminate babble thing >> he does between songs...it always produces winces. But that's our Rufus, I >> guess. > >When I saw him live, I liked Rufus' humorous between song chat the best. >The songs themselves sounded more like effeminate babble. I effeminate babble. I'm sure I'll fall straight away in love if I get a chance to see him live. I'll have to take the boy home and feed him, of course, but that shouldn't be a problem... Regarding the Academy: I never had much time for them, but now more than ever I rank the Oscars, the Emmys, and the Grammys right up there with the Miss America pageant in total irrelevance. Those award shows honor an ideal they hold, and have nothing to do with the diverse state of the art. "Oscar-winning film" is a _genre_, not an accolade. I hated _American Beauty_ and find it more improbable and empty the more I think about it. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:35:17 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: usability of mailing lists "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > The software is there to help you make sure. If you really want to have Reply-To set to the list, it's just one line in one's .procmailrc to set it. No biggie. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:39:18 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: robyn on Jerry S. this sunday It's this Sunday, folks. Rev up your vidoes [sic]. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:52:33 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Roofies At 03:42 PM 11/30/00 -0700, Eb wrote: >Excellent Rufus Wainwright show, last night. >The last encore had a >nostalgic, gospelly feel (the title might be "One-Man Guy"?), and was >beautifully sung by five performers including Rufus, Martha *and* daddy >Loudon III. Woohoo! "One-Man Guy" is the first track on Loudon's I'M ALRIGHT album, the same one that contains "Not John," my contribution to the John Lennon Tributes list. A really good record, with Richard Thompson producing and playing... dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:41:07 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: impressed with others > >And jeebus, girl, fasten a couple more buttons on your > >shirt! I grew weary of those oppressive udders. "Oppressive Udders" is certainly the best idea for a band name that I've heard in a long time. - --Chris np: Apoptygma Berzerk, _Welcome to Earth_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: impressed with others On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >And jeebus, girl, fasten a couple more buttons on your > >shirt! I grew weary of those oppressive udders. > > That is a _fascinating_ way of putting it. And by "_fascinating_", you mean "indicative of deep, unhealthy feelings toward women and a strange resentment of breasts in general"? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: more or less on-topic i don't think i've heard about thsi before? > FASTBACKS In The Summer + 3 US 7" Includes great Soft Boys cover. On Steve Priest Fan CLub records < the fastbacks are a great band, but i can't afford $12 for this. if you can and want to, e me for ordering info... - -- d. np boubacar traore _sa galo_ dept of self-serving sliminess: shoddy workmanship, the most vicious and the most accomplished of the bands i play with, tomorrow 10:30pm, velvet lounge, 915 u st nw wdc. w/ yuma house. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:54:24 -0600 From: leahyc@tsainc.com Subject: Re: Blah Blah Blatzman. my cousin and i are looking into the possibilites of shooting one of his screenplays using a digital camera. i thought he'd be interested in this topic so i forwarded the messages to him. he had this to add: >What's so obviously wrong? It's obviously wrong that >there are 6600 Blockbuster and Hollywood stores in >the US alone? It's wrong that video prices range as >I stated? It's wrong that major studio releases sell >10-30 copies to every Blockbuster and Hollywood store? What's funny about this is that I know (because I worked at Blockbuster) that 10-30 copies of a film like "Red Planet" is low. The number of videos that Blockbuster is going to stock is determined well before the theatrical release of the film. Box-office performance has nothing to do with how many copies Blockbuster will stock. "Red Planet" had a relatively aggressive marketing scheme (nothing like a Disney movie, or whatever, but still...), and I can guarantee you that Blockbuster (at least here in Fremont) will have anywhere from 50-100 copies in stock. Because of the poor performance of "Red Planet" in the theatres, the store may elect to save precious wallspace by only displaying 10-20, but the rest of the unopened copies will be sitting in the stock room, waiting 'til they can be priced for sell-through. My manager used to bitch about this all the time. (Here's a great example: remember that movie with Billy Crystal and Robert DeNiro? We had 150 copies of that movie in stock, and after about two weeks nobody was renting it. I mean *nobody*. Nevertheless, we couldn't price them for sell-through until the agreed-upon date. In that particular case we couldn't even put the tapes in the stock room to make room for better renters on the wall, because there was a weird deal with that particular film - we had to have all copies on the wall until a specific date). All of this serves to strengthen Capuchin's argument. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: yet another reason to hate and fear cell phones http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15122.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:21:14 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Red Planet I *liked* "Red Planet." It was a fairly serious sci-fi flick, unlike the horrendously hokey and cliche-ridden "Mission to Mars." Just waiting for Dune, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:37:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: "Cute Roofsie" Little Ray of Sunshine wrote: >> >And jeebus, girl, fasten a couple more buttons on your >> >shirt! I grew weary of those oppressive udders. >> >> That is a _fascinating_ way of putting it. > >And by "_fascinating_", you mean "indicative of deep, unhealthy feelings >toward women and a strange resentment of breasts in general"? Well.... 1. Her shirt was unbuttoned so low, her cleavage extended to *beneath* her breasts. That's a bit extravagant, don't you think? 2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth showcasing. 3. Yes, it does irk me when women demand to be taken seriously on one level, yet fudge their case by simultaneously flaunting their curves for sex-based attention and ego-massage. While I'm here and talking Wainwright, one other tidbit popped into my head. Another new Rufus song was called "The Evil Angel," and he claimed it was his tribute to Led Zeppelin. It didn't sound much like Led Zeppelin, but it also didn't sound much like Rufus Wainwright. Almost more in a Nick Cave vein! In fact, the electric-guitar introduction was so Bela Lugosi-spooky that the audience actually *laughed*. Heh. Furthermore, he says the song was written about a Paris journalist who interviewed him, later "made out" with him, then brushed him off and exploited their affair for his article. Ugh. Dolph: >>The last encore had a >>nostalgic, gospelly feel (the title might be "One-Man Guy"?), and was >>beautifully sung by five performers including Rufus, Martha *and* daddy >>Loudon III. > >Woohoo! "One-Man Guy" is the first track on Loudon's I'M ALRIGHT album, >the same one that contains "Not John," my contribution to the John Lennon >Tributes list. Aha. Yes, I suspected it might be a Loudon Wainwright song, but I hadn't gotten around to looking up the title on Amazon/CDNow. Thanks for the info. I'm not too familiar with Loudon's catalog, myself. I'm not even sure I've heard "Dead Skunk," and I gather that was his big hit. Eb, who will post some Blonde Redhead thoughts a bit later ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:43:25 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" Eb sez: >2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth >showcasing. Au contaire, mein Freund! I have to admit to having quite a crush on Martha Wainright. She's so cute, and sweet, and I happen to be fond of her habit of revealing her ample decolletage! When she sings, I swoon.... - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:04:20 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, The Great Quail wrote: > Au contaire, mein Freund! I have to admit to having quite a crush on > Martha Wainright. She's so cute, and sweet, and I happen to be fond > of her habit of revealing her ample decolletage! When she sings, I > swoon.... Right on, brother! Thank you for defending the ample ladies against Eb's senseless barrage of hatred (and repressed desire)! Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Viv Lyon wrote: I honestly did not mean to send that to the list. I am sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:14:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" Vivadiva: >I honestly did not mean to send that to the list. I am sorry. This may throw some cold water on Andrew's recent "reply-to" arguments. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: music, not botany 2 quick ones: - - can anyone advise me on the best liquor for buying for the purpose of aging? ie, something that will be much better in a lot of years from now? and is there a limit to how long to wait? (dmw, i bet you know about this) - - also, is anyone familiar with the improbably named band 'new fast automatic daffodils'? =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:26:31 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: "Cute Roofsie" Eb: > 2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth > showcasing. Quail (and Viv, accidentally) already dispatched this one handily. Turns out there are as many variations on body-preference as there are body types. I happen to fall in the Quail camp here. In the words of RH, "gimme meat". > 3. Yes, it does irk me when women demand to be taken seriously on one > level, yet fudge their case by simultaneously flaunting their curves for > sex-based attention and ego-massage. I really, really don't see what one (dressing in a way that excites or disturbs Eb) has to do with the other (expecting to be taken seriously). The case for being taken seriously is only "fudged" by your own assumptions about how a serious artist should dress. In other words, that's all happening in your widdle head (oh Jeebus, I've succumbed to the Blatzman Disorder). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:48:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: music, not botany >- also, is anyone familiar with the improbably named band 'new fast >automatic daffodils'? I recall them being a mix between the Fall and that trendy, early-'90s Manchester "baggy" thing. Then again, the Fall was a huge influence on that scene, so...maybe it was just that trendy, early-'90s Manchester "baggy" thing. I wasn't impressed with the album I heard. If it helps: Someone I know, whose tastes I couldn't possibly have less respect for, once claimed the New Fast Daffodils beat Talking Heads at their own game. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:55:32 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" Does anyone have a link to a pix of Martha Wainright? I am curious as to what she looks like.... eleanore Brian Huddell wrote: > Eb: > > > 2. Martha Wainwright is decidedly plump, and her body isn't exactly worth > > showcasing. > > Quail (and Viv, accidentally) already dispatched this one handily. Turns > out there are as many variations on body-preference as there are body types. > I happen to fall in the Quail camp here. In the words of RH, "gimme meat". > > > 3. Yes, it does irk me when women demand to be taken seriously on one > > level, yet fudge their case by simultaneously flaunting their curves for > > sex-based attention and ego-massage. > > I really, really don't see what one (dressing in a way that excites or > disturbs Eb) has to do with the other (expecting to be taken seriously). > The case for being taken seriously is only "fudged" by your own assumptions > about how a serious artist should dress. In other words, that's all > happening in your widdle head (oh Jeebus, I've succumbed to the Blatzman > Disorder). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Eleanore Adams wrote: > Does anyone have a link to a pix of Martha Wainright? I am curious as > to what she looks like.... Hardly what I'd call "plump". Maybe by Cosmopolitan standards... or YM. http://www.bradthegame.com/martha-wainwright/images.html I've never seen her in person, but these images range from really nice shaped to a bit sturdier. I wouldn't even go so far as to say they're "stout", let alone "plump". J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Eb wrote: > >And by "_fascinating_", you mean "indicative of deep, unhealthy feelings > >toward women and a strange resentment of breasts in general"? > Well.... Well.... this was a rhetorical question directed at somebody else. Calm down. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:26:07 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: "Cute Roofsie" Eleanore Adams: > Does anyone have a link to a pix of Martha Wainright? I am > curious as to what > she looks like.... Careful, she's got them boobies. http://www.outtasightsandsounds.com/photos/wainwright_m/martha.html http://www.penderislands.org/pages/imm2.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:29:39 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: "Cute Roofsie" Jeme: > http://www.bradthegame.com/martha-wainwright/images.html > > I've never seen her in person, but these images range from really nice > shaped to a bit sturdier. I wouldn't even go so far as to say they're > "stout", let alone "plump". Not, you forget to mention, that it freaking matters! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:57:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: [ebmaniax-l] Blonde Redhead (5% Christmas-season weight gain content) Another very good show. The show was a sell-out, which really surprised me. I saw Blonde Redhead two albums ago at the Troubadour (which is only about half the size of the Roxy), and I don't recall the show being packed. The music certainly isn't accessible, by any stretch of the imagination -- maybe they're a lot bigger with the indie crowd than I thought? The place was certainly crawling with this demographic, that's for sure. Unlucky me ended up standing next to a couple of typical indie kids who were intermittently smoking. Grrrr. They were much shorter than me, and one puff was blown directly upward into my face. Taller folks have more problems with secondhand smoke, I think. If only smoke sank, instead of floating upward. ;) The opening act was captivating, just because it was the *weirdest* band I've seen in quite awhile. I had vaguely heard of the Need, and knew they were another girl-led, Kill Rock Stars-type group. I assume they were squealing punks, like the rest. But noooooo. It was obvious something different was up, before they even started playing. They're just a *duo* (guitar and drums), and the drum set was positioned at the front of the stage. Second surprise: The drummer plays standing up. Third surprise: The drummer is a girl. I didn't realize this, at first. In fact, it wasn't particularly obvious either one of them was female. The guitarist wore the obligatory indie-rock skull cap pulled over her ears, and a Joan Jett T-shirt. When she talked, she sounded so slow and dimwitted that it almost seemed like an act. Imagine Alyson Hannigan (Willow, on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") portraying a mellow-stoned moron -- that's the guitarist! In contrast, the drummer was kinda muscular/big-boned, and looked more like a goth version of Stockard Channing. Sticky-teased black hair, tacky post-Siouxsie eye makeup and a sleeveless shirt which showed off her luxuriant armpit fur. The fourth (and biggest) surprise: They weren't punk, but a two-woman version of *death metal*. No kidding! Maybe this isn't news to you folks from Portland and Seattle, but it definitely threw *me*. I wondered if it might be a deadpan joke, but then about three songs into the set, I noticed the guitarist actually had a Judas Priest logo tattooed on her forearm. Hardcore! The music would've been a drag to hear on CD, but it was kinda fun to watch. The drummer had an unusual style -- she used mostly tom-toms rather than snare, and there was a certain discrete precision to the way she hit drums...it's hard to explain. It wasn't a furious, steady pounding, more like scattered booms and thumps. Huge sticks, too. The drummer also did most of the singing (with a headset mike). Her voice had sort of a pure, piercing siren quality. The guitarist was merely adequate, musicianshipwise, but the two did have enough chops to pull off a genre which demands a certain amount of trained expertise. No flashy solos, though. I don't have a clue what they were singing about, because of bad intonation. Yet there's an oddly endearing vibe, watching them play...they often face each other (the drum set was angled toward stage left), and it was very much like a private dialogue. Like old Sonny & Cher clips -- all the exchanged looks, smiles and the like. A twinkle in the eye. Their own little world. Incidentally, the drummer was using *the* worst-condition cymbal I have ever seen onstage. Large cracks, chunks missing...yikes. Then came Blonde Redhead. The biggest story here was the transformation of the bassist. The thin, curly-haired brothers (guitar, drums) were just as I remembered -- and if they're not twins, they're doing a darn good impression. I always forget whether they're Italian or French. I'm going to guess French, this week. Anyway, when I saw the band a few years ago, the bassist just came off as an inept waif, but she has really tightened up her act. For one thing, she's considerably more "chic" now, and was wearing a long neckscarf over a white, backless mini-dress which was always threatening to slide up, down or off in all the wrong places. *She* made it work for her somehow, but jeez, she spent so much pushing the shoulder straps back up that it seemed awfully impractical. But that wasn't all -- her playing was much more competent (if nowhere near the chops of the brothers), and her stage moves were a lot more graceful...even charismatic at times. Her singing is no better, however. Otherwise, I don't have a lot to say about the show which I wouldn't have already said about the band's albums. The lyrics don't matter at all, but I find the music really interesting. The irregular rhythms, staccato chords and twisted time signatures should appeal to the post-rock crowd, but the difference is that Blonde Redhead has an aggressive intensity and momentum which I rarely get from the post-rock acts. In other words, they rawk. They make me wanna *move*, instead of stroke my chin. The songs seem like tight, insular units, instead of aimless chains of sections. On the other hand, I was a little disappointed they didn't play more of the mellow material on the new album, because some of that stuff is surprisingly dramatic. There's one softer song (which they *did* play) that always makes me think of the Shangri-Las' "Remember (Walking in the Sand)." Go figure. Their last encore was a long, minimalist, guitar-loop thing off the previous album (I believe it's the title song) which is either terribly daring or terribly annoying, depending on your point of view. I'm more aligned with the latter view, frankly. Still, I enjoyed the music a lot, on the whole. Mainly because those brothers really know their stuff. Sharp, sharp players. Especially for the indie-rock realm. That's about all I have to say. I can't really talk about individual songs, because I haven't spent enough time with the albums to name songs from memory. Nor do I have the patience to pull out the CDs today, and review the track listings. But it was a darn good show...at least for visceral, rhythmic punch. Unlikely immigrants from the pop world in the audience: Jason Falkner and Rachel Haden (you know, ex-That Dog). I hadn't seen Rachel in a few months - -- surprisingly, she was *raving* about the new Blonde Redhead album. She said it's practically all she listens to nowadays, and that it's a big inspiration for her own recent songwriting. Huh. Unfortunately, we got separated before I could ask her about her sister's condition and the recent all-star benefit at the Knitting Factory. (Do folks know this story? Twin sister Petra Haden was badly injured after being hit by a car, and is in the midst of a costly recovery.) Oh, one *other* immigrant in the crowd - -- did I see the Feglist's own Aaron Lowe? I wasn't sure. Before the show, I picked up a L.A. Weekly. As fate would have it, one of the main music features was about...Amy Correia. She was interviewed by a writer named Erik, which means three of the few Amy Correia fans I've encountered are named Eric or Erik. How...cosmic, or something. Eb PS Jeme, I looked at a few of those Martha Wainwright photos. She is much heavier now than in any of those pictures. Not that this was the thrust of my point, anyway. My initial review didn't even mention her weight! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:38:25 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: "Cute Roofsie" Thanks, all. She looks like someone I would like, a normal gal, a bit like myself. eleanore Brian Huddell wrote: > Eleanore Adams: > > > Does anyone have a link to a pix of Martha Wainright? I am > > curious as to what > > she looks like.... > > Careful, she's got them boobies. > > http://www.outtasightsandsounds.com/photos/wainwright_m/martha.html > > http://www.penderislands.org/pages/imm2.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: music, not botany Bayard wrote: > - also, is anyone familiar with the improbably named band 'new fast > automatic daffodils'? supposed to have been the "next big manchester band" in the early 90's; basically Inspiral Carpets without the tunes but with pretensions up the ass. ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #351 *******************************