From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #342 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 27 2000 Volume 09 : Number 342 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: lennon tributes [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Lennon Tributes ["John Gray" ] Re: Lennon Tributes [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Lennon Tributes [Terrence Marks ] Re: lennon tributes [dmw ] Re: happy buy nothing day! [Viv Lyon ] Re: happy buy nothing day! [Eb ] Re: happy buy nothing day! ["Chris Gillis!" ] Re: happy buy nothing day! [Viv Lyon ] Re: happy no robyn day (NR) [Viv Lyon ] BB update (NR) [steve ] digests 338-341 revisited [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] at the risk of opening old threads... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Digna] Re: lennon tributes ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:09:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: lennon tributes Russ Reynolds wrote: > I'd like to call upon your vast musical knowledge to help me assemble > a collection of Lennon tribute songs. At this point I have a very > short list which includes: > > George Harrison-All Those Years Ago > Paul McCartney-Here Today > Ian Hunter-Old Records Never Die [my personal favorite] > Cranberries-I Just Shot John Lennon > Queen-Life Is Real (Song For Lennon) > The Kinks-Killer's Eyes > Yoko Ono-I Don't Know Why > Paul Simon-The Late Great Johnny Ace [okay, this one's a bit of a > stretch] > Elton John-Empty Garden julian lennon: too late for goodbyes (at least, i always assumed it was) i'll throw out "Famous Man" by John Wesley Harding for the sake of being over-complete, even though it's more a meditation on the murder from the pov of mdc than a straight tribute. > I'm sure there are many other more obscure titles, possibly even a > ROBYN HITCHCOCK tune I'm forgetting about. If you can add to this > let me know via e-mail or go ahead and try to out-obscure each other > on the list as is the usual custom. ;) ===== "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing. Journalists, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands." -- Oscar Wilde Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:31:50 -0000 From: "John Gray" Subject: Re: Lennon Tributes Tom Paxton - Crazy John John Gray > Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:31:06 -0800 > From: "Russ Reynolds" > Subject: lennon tributes > > Fegs, > > I'd like to call upon your vast musical knowledge to help me assemble a > collection of Lennon tribute songs. At this point I have a very short list > which includes: > > George Harrison-All Those Years Ago > Paul McCartney-Here Today > Ian Hunter-Old Records Never Die [my personal favorite] > Cranberries-I Just Shot John Lennon > Queen-Life Is Real (Song For Lennon) > The Kinks-Killer's Eyes > Yoko Ono-I Don't Know Why > Paul Simon-The Late Great Johnny Ace [okay, this one's a bit of a > stretch] > Elton John-Empty Garden > > I'm sure there are many other more obscure titles, possibly even a ROBYN > HITCHCOCK tune I'm forgetting about. If you can add to this let me know vie > e-mail or go ahead and try to out-obscure each other on the list as is the > usual custom. ;) > > Thanks. > > - -rUss > > ------------------------------ > > End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #341 > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 07:32:41 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Lennon Tributes Loudon Wainwright III - Not John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:47:31 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Lennon Tributes Martin Newell's "Johnny the Moondog is Dead" ? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com HCF (another comic strip) http://www.mpog.com/hcf normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: lennon tributes On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Fegs, > > I'd like to call upon your vast musical knowledge to help me assemble a > collection of Lennon tribute songs. At this point I have a very short list > which includes: > my new band has one on their old cd entitled "song for john lennon to sing" which i can send you if you like. it's, uh, not very pro-lennon. you missed my two favorites: christine lavin's "the dakota" on _future fossils_, which is the christine lavin you'd want if you only wanted one of her albums. the chameleons, oh, jeez, i think it's titled "here today?" ...i hope i've got that right, i can't find either of my copies. i fell in love with the _peel sessions_ version, but i think it's on _script of the bridge_ too. what is about "killer's eyes" that ties it specifically to lennon? i missed that part somehow. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: happy buy nothing day! On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > I gave my colleagues chocolate coins today... what did you do? > (see http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/bnd/ if you don't know what this > is all about.) We went downtown and told people it wasn't too late to take back the things they'd bought. We asked people walking into Banana Republic (a more insulting name for a store I have never seen)(except maybe The Gap- what is that supposed to refer to? The gap in wealth between the people who make the clothes and the people who buy them? The gap in reasoning that would allow you to equate mass-marketed crap with fashion?) at any rate, we asked them if they really needed the stuff they were going in there to buy. We asked them to consider where the merchandise had come from, who made it, how much they were paid, etc. We asked them to seriously consider the idea that it's the THOUGHT that counts, not the object. And so forth and so on. It was all exceedingly upbeat and non-confrontational...no one was screaming at shoppers, threatening them, or anything even remotely upsetting (except attempting to get people to think about what they were doing- how traumatizing). Nevertheless, there was apporximately one cop per demonstrator, and they kept telling us to keep the sidewalk clear so the all-important shoppers could make their way to the all-important purveyors of overpriced cheaply made crap. I told them that if there weren't so many of _them_, the number of people in front of the store would be greatly reduced and there would be no problem, officer sir. He ignored me. Given what went on later in the day, I'm surprised he didn't give me a citation. On the other side of town, the police were harrassing people demonstrating in front of Lloyd Mall (anyone who's read The Lathe of Heaven should recognize that as the scene of reality's collapse, and Friday was no different). If you were wearing a button that said anything about Buy Nothing Day, you were not allowed to go into the Mall. Not even to pee. My friend was ticketed for trespassing and told she was not welcome in Lloyd Mall for a year- just for wearing a button. Then, last Friday also happening to be the last Friday of the month, there was the Critical Mass. Those of you on this list who are unsympathetic to the idea of a bunch of cyclists supposedly blocking traffic will love this. We (idiotically) decided to have two different rides, a confrontational one and a non-confrontational one. The reason for this was that some riders ride in the oncoming lane, endanger other riders and create the potential for horrific traffice accidents with their reckless riding. They are very few in number and should not be given their own ride. It makes them as legitimate as the "non-confrontational" riders, nonconfrontational in this case meaning that we don't whack cars and scream insults at drivers. So I went on the confrontational ride to see what would happen, be a witness, etc. It barely even got off the ground because the cops were SWARMING all over it. I mean there were about twenty motorcycle cops, four cop cars and (believe it or not) a helicopter circling overhead. I was pissed at them on Friday- can you imagine a more absurd over-reaction? But now (unfortunately) I see that they had some justification, seeing that this was actively advertised at a confrontational ride. How fucking stupid. So, that was my Buy Nothing Day. Full of cops. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:19:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: happy buy nothing day! >We went downtown and told people it wasn't too late to take back the >things they'd bought. We asked people walking into Banana Republic (a >more insulting name for a store I have never seen)(except maybe The Gap- >what is that supposed to refer to? The gap in wealth between the people >who make the clothes and the people who buy them? The gap in reasoning >that would allow you to equate mass-marketed crap with fashion?) at any >rate, we asked them if they really needed the stuff they were going in >there to buy. We asked them to consider where the merchandise had come >from, who made it, how much they were paid, etc. We asked them to >seriously consider the idea that it's the THOUGHT that counts, not the >object. And so forth and so on. Did anyone *not* regard you as complete idiots? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:40:42 -0800 From: "Chris Gillis!" Subject: Re: happy buy nothing day! it's the THOUGHT that counts, not the > >object. And so forth and so on. > > Did anyone *not* regard you as complete idiots? The amazing part of these so-called "direct action" types are that they appear to have the belief that their actions are part of a clear and concise message that any self-respecting human will pick out. The truth could not be further from this. I often wonder what the Protest of the Week (tm) is trying to do; the message is sometimes there (anti-this, no-that), but the solution in a tangible sense is never, ever, present. A great case in point is the long running Mumia Abu-Jamal. Does anyone know the circumstances of the crime is in prison for? What are the issues surrounding his sentence? What is a legal remedy? You certainly won't find it out by casually looking at a flyer or at the fringes of the in-crowd's protest. Yet, somehow these protests expect some sort of result without a clean message or realistic solution proposed. It is sad, as the bicycle thing is a good issue to push, but critical mass misses the point in a big way. Down here, the bicycle activist scored a major goal by getting the regional transport agency to consider pedestrian access to the new span of the Bay Bridge. They did this not buy riding around in obnoxious groups and yelling clichi slogans, but by working with the process. An insightful few went to all the meetings, suggested what was needed, and made their presence known where it counts, in the planning process. A lesson learned. Kindly, .chris - -- chris@photogenica.net http://photogenica.net - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: happy buy nothing day! On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Eb wrote: > Did anyone *not* regard you as complete idiots? Many people reacted very positively to what we had to say, and several people said (not sarcastically) "I hadn't thought of it that way," or "I haven't seen it that way before." Believe it or not, demonstrators don't necessarily go out with the sole purpose of alienating people. I admit it often happens that we alienate some folks, but all in all I think there are a significant number of people who are pleased to see us, and even more people who manage to think constructively about what we've done/said. Whether or not they end up agreeing with us is up to them of course, but we've made our voices heard. There are things worth saying and things worth hearing that you won't find on a billboard, in a movie, or on tv. This is what we are doing- interacting in a non-commercial way with the public. As downtown areas and public spaces are more and more subsumed by commercial speech and a mentality that consumerism is the only viable way to interact with your world and other people, these kind of actions become more important. The Radical Cheerleaders were the most successful and entertaining portion of the day's festivites. A representative cheer: Holiday shoppers- do your duty! Homemade gifts have much more beauty! Holiday shoppers- do your duty! Shove those credit cards up your booty! Just say no! Just say no! Of course, it helped that they were all peppy little indie-pop and punk girls and boys. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: happy no robyn day (NR) On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Chris Gillis! wrote: > The amazing part of these so-called "direct action" types are that > they appear to have the belief that their actions are part of a clear > and concise message that any self-respecting human will pick out. The > truth could not be further from this. > Well, direct action is different from protests or demonstrations. Direct action is just that: action. Like de-tourning a billboard, locking down to and preventing access to a particular site, occupying a tree, etc. To address your point, many many protests and demonstrations are badly planned, with no clear message in mind. Hopefully, as communication becomes faster and easier, and more people have access to the internet and mailing lists and so on, people can organize more efficiently. > I often wonder what the Protest of the Week (tm) is trying to do; the > message is sometimes there (anti-this, no-that), but the solution in a > tangible sense is never, ever, present. Solution-based activism is more important than demonstrations, that is true. But consciousness-raising also has its place- making people aware of specific or general problems. A great case in point is the > long running Mumia Abu-Jamal. Does anyone know the circumstances of > the crime is in prison for? What are the issues surrounding his > sentence? What is a legal remedy? You certainly won't find it out by > casually looking at a flyer or at the fringes of the in-crowd's > protest. Yet, somehow these protests expect some sort of result > without a clean message or realistic solution proposed. The point of protests like that is to put the pressure of public opinion on the authorities. They used to respond to such things. They are becoming more and more inflexible and unreachable as time goes on. This is almost surely due in part to too many protests, not enough action. I would like to point out, though, that you now know the man's name (perhaps you wouldn't without those protests that you've seen) and it is up to you to further inform yourself of his plight, if you are so inclined. > It is sad, as the bicycle thing is a good issue to push, but critical > mass misses the point in a big way. Down here, the bicycle activist > scored a major goal by getting the regional transport agency to > consider pedestrian access to the new span of the Bay Bridge. They did > this not buy riding around in obnoxious groups and yelling clichi > slogans, but by working with the process. An insightful few went to > all the meetings, suggested what was needed, and made their presence > known where it counts, in the planning process. These things go hand in hand. The powers that be have to be aware of a constituency that is not pleased with the status quo, there has to be an awareness of a problem before a solution to that problem will be considered. > A lesson learned. A lesson in complete activist follow-through, unfortunately rare. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:36:27 -0600 From: steve Subject: BB update (NR) The work goes on on the Buckaroo Banzai TV show, but in the meantime: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000050NS2/qid=975306824/sr=1-/107-8 475724-4552555 - - Steve - ---------- If they know our secrets, why can't we know theirs? - Dana Scully ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:56:31 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: digests 338-341 revisited >I gave my colleagues chocolate coins today... what did you do? since I knew nothing of this, I travelled through a dimly-lit tunnel to some of the most mind-numbing scenery the planet has to offer, and spent the night at a place so remote that the town, Gunn's Camp, in the shadow of Mt. Gunn, near the shores of Lake Gunn, has a permanent population of one, whose name is Murray Gunn. How remote do you want? Hi folks! Hope you didn't all wreck things too much while I was gone. Milford Sound is just as awe inspiringly beautiful as all the tourist brochures say, and then some. >The only mnemonic which comes immediately to mind is "Richard Of York >Gained Battles In Vain". If I dig a bit deeper, I get "Every Good Boy >Deserves Favour", but that's about all. I wonder if mnemonics are falling >into desuetude? a tall green carrot leaps very lightly, sells shares, capitalises and profits! ("my rising sign is capitalises, is that surprising?") (I could have done the one about the twelve cranial nerves, but it's hardly politically correct) Oh, and there were the Norman Kings Whom We Have Served, as well. On a related note, Henry VIII discovered that A Bride Sometimes Can Have Problems (I suspect it was the brides who discovered the problem was with H8, but still). as for the pronunciation, the thing people most hate about kiwis pronunciation (and a habit, which being British born, I do NOT have), is adding a schwa between consonants, as in shown and grown becoming 'showun and growun'. We don't say the typically Irish 'fillum', though. Most people here can get their tongues around the first R of library and February by about the age of ten. >I request your kind assistance in sorting out a matter that has been >causing me much trouble over the last few days. (And there's a fiver bet >riding on it too!) > >Surely the phrase is 'break the mold', not 'break the mould'? > >I'm talking about 'British' English here. (Grrr! Don't get me started on >having to write that!) I gather, in the US, people use the word 'mold' >instead of 'mould' even when it means the organic stuff. But 'mold' also >means something you use to shape a fluid (such as jelly) into a >predetermined shape when it sets, dries or whatever. Presumably this is >where the phrase comes from? the only use of Mold in British English is the name of a town in Wales. When you mould clay, you use a mould (which is broken when things are taken from it). When things go mouldy, they get mould. >The word 'mould' is just a variation of 'mold', isn't it? oh, you cheeky jester, you! >and i'm all for poetic licence. but in this case, "If I were man >enough..." sounds just as good (or better), poetically, than does >"If I was man enough...". (in my opinion.) This IS correct. It is the subjunctive tense. It was Midge Ure who was wrong with "If I was" > Upcoming crosscountry moves and strange chemicals dripping from your living > room ceiling will do that to ya. what is THIS a mnemonic for??? >Fegs, > >I'd like to call upon your vast musical knowledge to help me assemble a >collection of Lennon tribute songs. At this point I have a very short list >which includes: I don't think the Paul Simon one is a stretch at all. You could add the ghodawful one "Liverpool to America", by New Zealand's The Knobz, but I think they've all been melted into ashtrays. If not, why not? What about Julian Cope's "Don't call me Mark Chapman"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:00:17 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: at the risk of opening old threads... At the risk of opening old, tired threads, I thought you might be interested in an email message that arrived while I was away. James - --- >America a democracy? > >The U.S. recently had an election where the candidate who seems to have won >got less votes than the one who lost. Nearly 5% of the votes necessary for >that candidate to win were cast by 600 people in one state. Many of that >state's voting papers were illegal according to that state's laws. Despite >much of the counting being questionable to say the least and probably >dangerously wrong, the official in overall charge of the count declared >the vote decided and official, even while recounts were proceeding which >could change the result. That official was a declared member of the winning >party. > >In any other country in the world, the vote would have been declared corrupt. >In 'civilised' countries, the official responsible for overseeing the vote >would be neutral, and not in the pay of one of the competing countries. This >situation is only common in dictatorships or one-party states. In 'civilised' >countries, if this situation ever arose, investigations would begin, and most >likely a new vote would be ordered. Only in third world countries would the >vote likely stand. > >America used to be regarded by many as a model for democracy, a country that >could proudly call itself a leader of the 'free world'. As things stand at >present, the United States is a laughing stock. No-one can possibly take it >seriously any more. It has shown just how corrupt its elections are, and as >such can clearly not be trusted when it talks hypocritically about elections >in other countries. Send in the UN to clarify the vote now. > >America a democracy? No. America is a joke. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:38:51 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: lennon tributes >the chameleons, oh, jeez, i think it's titled "here today?" ...i hope i've >got that right, i can't find either of my copies. i fell in love with the >_peel sessions_ version, but i think it's on _script of the bridge_ too. "As High As You Can Go" is the title, and it does mention Lennon, but it isn't much of a *tribute*, really. It just sort of mentions him as one of several people who "clawed their way to the stars"... (It also mentions Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly, and Greta Garbo in the same vein.) So I doubt that would qualify unless the word "Lennon" in and of itself is all you'd require. But in that case, you'd have to include Easterhouse's "Get Back to Russia," for the line "Lennon-grad in springtime, would be very nice"... Of course, I've *met* graduates of Lennon University, and most of them are real assholes unless you catch them in late autumn. The Loud Family also did a song called "Not Expecting Both Contempo and Classique," which has nothing whatsoever to do with John Lennon; I just like the title for some reason. James D. forwarded thusly: >As things stand at present, the United States is a laughing stock. > America a democracy? No. America is a joke. Well, of course, many of us have known this all along. The Electoral College is only the most egregious of many undemocratic (or as some would have it, anti-democratic) institutions over here. I'm not sure why anyone would have *ever* taken the electoral process here as any sort of model, and I don't really think most countries have, thankfully! Still, for some reason, nobody seems to be laughing at the moment except for me, and maybe a few of my friends. I can laugh at anything. Ha ha. John "would-be dictators go girl-crazy" Hedges ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #342 *******************************