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fegmaniax-digest     Wednesday, November 22 2000     Volume 09 : Number 339



                               Today's Subjects:
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  the terrence marks experience  [Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.]
  Re: Danielle Brisbois Tour Song List          [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Mnemaniax               [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>]
  Re: the terrence marks experience         [Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>]
  Re: the terrence marks experience   [Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>]
  Re: the terrence marks experience     [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>]
  Re: Mnemaniax                             [Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>]
  My Internet Radio                     [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>]
  Re: the terrence marks experience         [Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>]
  Re: the terrence marks experience  [Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthef]
  Re: My Internet Radio      [Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>]
  Re: English and its usage               [Eleanore Adams <eleanore@tdl.com>]
  Know your members of the Electoral College (NR)  [steve <schiavo@home.com>]
  Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns  [ultraconformist <ultraconformist@etc.cnchost]
  Re: black round things   ["Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>]
  newcastle                ["Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>]
  Re: black round things                    [drop the holupki <woj@smoe.org>]
  warning: mnemonics                    [Jonatan "Morén" <jmoren@sverige.nu>]
  warning! mnemonics!                 [Ethyl Ketone <meketone@ix.netcom.com>]
  Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns               [Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>]
  Okay, this is getting sick now...     [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>]
  We don't have to comply! We're the US!     [Viv Lyon <vivlyon@bitmine.net>]
  Re: black round things     [Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>]

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:18:20 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: the terrence marks experience

<my bio teacher used "King Phillip Came Over From Germany Swiftly".>

and mine "King Phi Came Over Four Green Snakes".  (which, now that 
i think about it, kinda sounds like "If I was man enough, I'd come 
on your stump"!  (and i don't know why i've never really thought 
about *this* before, either: that should have read "If I *were* man 
enough...".))


<I just remember that famous Professor of Optics: Roy G. Biv>

i never could quite figure out what the deal was with there being 
a "Roy G. Biv" on the Los Angeles Rams.  was that for real?  was 
that his real name?  did i just dream the whole thing?


there's also "Pleasing My Dear Aunt Sally": Powers and Parentheses,
Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction.


seattle is now a two-newspaper town again: one scab paper (which 
you can read at <URL:http://www.seattletimes.com> if you please),
and one union paper (which you can read at <URL:http://unionrecord.
com/index.php>).  groovy!

in other alterna-media links news, the ETS! website is finally current 
again.  <URL:http://eatthestate.org>.  


KEN "Living with a martyr can be a pain" THE KENSTER

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:34:34 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Danielle Brisbois Tour Song List

>just in case anyone's curious.  the tour received stellar reviews,
>by the way.

Field & Stream doesn't count.

Eb

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:53:04 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Mnemaniax

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> The only mnemonic which comes immediately to mind is "Richard Of York
> Gained Battles In Vain". If I dig a bit deeper, I get "Every Good Boy
> Deserves Favour", but that's about all. I wonder if mnemonics are falling
> into desuetude?

> not to mention "King Richard Came Over From Germany Swimming", "Sex On
> Holidays Can Advance Happiness To Outrageous Altitudes" and... now i'm
> running dry.

Sorry, but I'm just too curious: what do all of these stand for? I've heard 
"Every Good Boy Deserves Favo(u)r", but I always thought it was a proverb or a saying.

Anyway, in Germany we have mostly mnemonics for musicians: "Geh Du alter Esel" for tuning a violin or "Ein Anfdnger des Gitarrenspiels hat Eifer" for guitar (note that B is H in German, whereas Bb is B). I don't recall ever having been taught any mnemonics in school...

Cheers, Sebastian
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany
http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/

taz muss sein. abomail@taz.de http://www.taz.de

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:55:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>
Subject: Re: the terrence marks experience

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Asshole Motherfucker wrote:
> there's also "Pleasing My Dear Aunt Sally": Powers and Parentheses,
> Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction.

Pleased To Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally.
Parens, Tetration, Exponentiation, Multiplication, Division, Addition, and
Subtraction.

This was always silly to me because Multiplication and Division as well as
Addition and Subtraction shouldn't be listed separately.  I mean, we don't
talk about the inverse of Exponentiation (if there's another word for that
beside "roots", lemme know because it's slipped my pea brain) or Tetration
(which is used so seldom, I don't even think I could tell you what the
inverse even DOES).

Hmm... so it should be PTEMA... Um... Poor Tom Elevates My Ass.
Preaching To Eb Means Asphyxiation.
Pander To Every Man's Albatross.
Plucky Terrence Eats Mnemonic Abbreviations.

I don't know.
J.
- -- 
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Capuchin   capuchin@bitmine.net   Jeme A Brelin

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:02:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: the terrence marks experience

warning! mnemonics!

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Capuchin wrote:

> I mean, we don't talk about the inverse of Exponentiation (if there's
> another word for that beside "roots", lemme know because it's slipped
> my pea brain)

"involution", i believe.

> or Tetration (which is used so seldom, I don't even think I could tell
> you what the inverse even DOES).

moreover, it's not really a separate operation; it's just that
exponentiation parenthesizes from right to left. that is, 4 <tetrate> 3 is
4^4^4, and you simplify that to 4^64, not 64^4.

a

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:03:48 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: Re: the terrence marks experience

on 11/21/00 1:18 PM, Asshole Motherfucker at asshole@feedthefish.org wrote:

> <my bio teacher used "King Phillip Came Over From Germany Swiftly".>
> 
> and mine "King Phi Came Over Four Green Snakes".  (which, now that
> i think about it, kinda sounds like "If I was man enough, I'd come
> on your stump"!  (and i don't know why i've never really thought
> about *this* before, either: that should have read "If I *were* man
> enough...".))
> 

There are a few songs where Robyn takes these sorts of bad-grammar-poetic-
licenses.  Like in "I Feel Beautiful" for instance:

I see the clock in shadow and I see your face
You and me belong in the same time and place
        ^^<-- Should be "I"

> i never could quite figure out what the deal was with there being
> a "Roy G. Biv" on the Los Angeles Rams.  was that for real?  was
> that his real name?  did i just dream the whole thing?

Never heard of this, what time frame are we talking about?


- -tc

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:06:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>
Subject: Re: Mnemaniax

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
> Sorry, but I'm just too curious: what do all of these stand for? I've
> heard "Every Good Boy Deserves Favo(u)r", but I always thought it was
> a proverb or a saying.
> Anyway, in Germany we have mostly mnemonics for musicians: "Geh Du
> alter Esel" for tuning a violin or "Ein Anfdnger des Gitarrenspiels
> hat Eifer" for guitar (note that B is H in German, whereas Bb is B). I
> don't recall ever having been taught any mnemonics in school...

Every Good Boy Does (Deserves) Fine (Favor).  Those are the notes on the
lines of the treble clef. The notes in the spaces, of course, spell the
word FACE.

Why people just can't remember that it's every other letter wrapping at
the G is beyond me.

Now, I was always under the impression that in german, Bb was H and B was
just B.  Then again, I never quite understood BACH and all his fugues
anyway.  (I mean, they're neat... but I didn't quite grok them
mathematically.)

Boo.
J.
- -- 
_______________________________________________

Capuchin   capuchin@bitmine.net   Jeme A Brelin

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:07:28 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: My Internet Radio

Using Real Player, or other such, go to URL:
<URL: http://166.90.143.150:8034 >

I'm streaming a mix of about 400 songs.  Right now it's a little flaky, but
I'm trying to keep it up as best I can (how many times have I said THAT?!).

- -DJ TC

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:52:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>
Subject: Re: the terrence marks experience

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Aaron Mandel wrote:
> "involution", i believe.

Unfortunately, the best website for this kind of information
<URL: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ > has been taken down due to a
copyright suit with a publisher that the webmaster worked with once upon a
time.

Anyway, involution is just another name for exponentiation.  Root-taking
is another form of exponentiation, but not exactly an inverse
function... the inverse function being a logarithm of the same base as the
base of the exponentiation formula.  I can't find another word for
root-taking.

> moreover, it's not really a separate operation; it's just that
> exponentiation parenthesizes from right to left. that is, 4 <tetrate> 3 is
> 4^4^4, and you simplify that to 4^64, not 64^4.

Poppycock!

By that line of reasoning, Exponentiation isn't really a separate
operation because it's just shorthand for multiplication.  That is 4^3 is
4*4*4.

And Multiplication isn't a separate operation, either!  I mean, 4*3 is
just 4+4+4.

An operator is an operator is an operator.  It's binary and it's a mapping
of a set onto itself.

J.
- -- 
_______________________________________________

Capuchin   capuchin@bitmine.net   Jeme A Brelin

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:32 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: Re: the terrence marks experience

<There are a few songs where Robyn takes these sorts of bad-grammar-
poetic-licenses.>

and i'm all for poetic licence.  but in this case, "If I were man 
enough..." sounds just as good (or better), poetically, than does 
"If I was man enough...".  (in my opinion.)


<Never heard of this, what time frame are we talking about?>

whenever i was learning my mnemonics.  early-'80s, i guess.

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:01:36 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: Re: My Internet Radio

<Right now it's a little flaky, but I'm trying to keep it up as best 
I can (how many times have I said THAT?!).>

any good dermatologist should be able to help you out.

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:00:13 -0800
From: Eleanore Adams <eleanore@tdl.com>
Subject: Re: English and its usage

Somebody probably already got to this.....My dictionary says that mould is
the British spelling of mold, and mold in US speak is both that fuzz by trees
and something you can form stuff with....

eleanore

Eclipse wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Matt Browne wrote:
> > > Surely the phrase is 'break the mold', not 'break the mould'?
> > > I'm talking about 'British' English here.
> >
> > Always "mould". "Mouldy", "moulding", "mouldering", "moulded" - they all
> > have a U.
>
> hmm.. in my experience this has always been "breaking the mold", and
> "mold" as in a cast, something you pour a liquid substance into to
> achieve a solid of a particular shape.  someone who "breaks the mold" is
> out of the ordinary, unusual, not easily defined.
>
> most americans also spell it "mold" when they mean "mould", the fuzzy
> stuff that grows on your cheese and bread.  i can't say it makes much
> sense to me to say "breaking the mould"; i dislike the thought of touching
> the stuff, and can't imagine what good breaking it into little pieces
> would do. :)
>
> - Eclipse
>
> np: Morphine, Cure For Pain

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:17:06 -0600
From: steve <schiavo@home.com>
Subject: Know your members of the Electoral College (NR)

http://www.coalitioncoalition.org/electoral.asp


- - Steve

_______________
We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:57:28 -0800
From: ultraconformist <ultraconformist@etc.cnchost.com>
Subject: Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns

>Didn't you hear?  Saturn was renamed "Godwin" in honour of the originator of
>this thread!

No! Shows how out of touch I am these days.

>On a related note, I am an idiot.

Don't feel bad. I was just filling the coffeemaker for tomorrow morning and
blithely poured two heaping scoops of coffee into the water reservoir.

Upcoming crosscountry moves and strange chemicals dripping from your living
room ceiling will do that to ya.

Susan

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:44:38 +0000
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>
Subject: Re: black round things

> Are Fgz so firmly in the CD camp?

Yes. There's not enough flat space in my life for a turntable. Plus, I
listen to a couple of CDs a day on my walk to work -- can you do that
with vinyl?

It's not as if record presses are particularly precision things, and you
can only get out what you put in... (which in the case of a friend's
early XTC clear-vinyl XTC single, they put in an aphid).

 Stewart

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:49:50 +0000
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <stewart@ref.collins.co.uk>
Subject: newcastle

anyone going to the Newcastle gig tonight?

I'm at the lip-biting worried stage: I'm not going, but a friend of mine
is going 'cos I kept going on an on and on about Robyn. I hope it's
good...

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:22:28 -0500
From: drop the holupki <woj@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: black round things

when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed:

>It's not as if record presses are particularly precision things, and you
>can only get out what you put in... (which in the case of a friend's
>early XTC clear-vinyl XTC single, they put in an aphid).

well, that puts a new twist on the phrase "collector scum".

+w

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Date: 22 Nov 2000 14:41:46 -0000
From: Jonatan "Morén" <jmoren@sverige.nu>
Subject: warning: mnemonics

Favourite mnemonic word, from the field of Syriac 
studies: 

Bhghadhkhphath 

Easy to remember, easy to pronounce. What more can you 
ask?

J.M.



................................................................
   80.000 svenskar har nu gratis e-post pe Sverige.nu!

   http://www.sverige.nu

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:59:05 -0500
From: Ethyl Ketone <meketone@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: warning! mnemonics!

A Rat In The House Might Eat The Ice Cream.
How I learned to spell "arithmetic."
- -- 
"Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself."
****************************************************************************
C. J. Galbraith
Ketone Press
meketone@ix.netcom.com
www.bogdescu.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:37:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@bitmine.net>
Subject: Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, ultraconformist wrote:
> I was just filling the coffeemaker for tomorrow morning and blithely
> poured two heaping scoops of coffee into the water reservoir.

Yesterday, I was getting ready to face the day, standing in front of the
mirror, and I took up the toothpaste in one hand and my hair brush in the
other... I think I stopped myself just in time.

> Upcoming crosscountry moves and strange chemicals dripping from your living
> room ceiling will do that to ya.

There's nothing dripping from our living room ceiling (though there almost
was last night) and I'm only moving about forty blocks...

Oh well.
J.
- -- 
_______________________________________________

Capuchin   capuchin@bitmine.net   Jeme A Brelin

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:42:26 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: Okay, this is getting sick now...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=502981185

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:23:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Viv Lyon <vivlyon@bitmine.net>
Subject: We don't have to comply! We're the US!

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/science/AP-Climate-Conference.html

My god, could we be more arrogant?

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:23:02 -0800
From: Asshole Motherfucker <asshole@feedthefish.org>
Subject: Re: black round things

<Plus, I listen to a couple of CDs a day on my walk to work -- can 
you do that with vinyl?>

the olivia tremor control have a boombox that plays vinyl.

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