From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #337 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 09 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [self-aggrandizing] Americans!! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #334 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: RH on Jerry Atric [Michael R Godwin ] Respect extras [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Americans!! [Viv Lyon ] Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns [Christopher Gross ] mmmm...democracy ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: RH on Jerry Atric [drop the holupki ] Re: what a country [Michael R Godwin ] Minor star f*cking with a minor review ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: great photo [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re: grandma [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re: underworld gig [Asshole Motherfucker ] Re: underworld gig ["brian nupp" ] Re: black round things [Eb ] Cafe del Mar ["brian nupp" ] Hitchcock gigs (fwd) [Bayard ] Live at the Portland Arms ["brian nupp" ] robyn and andy ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:07:50 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: [self-aggrandizing] Americans!! dmw wrote: > > LonDINium Just the Roman name. Kirkintilloch had a roman name! We had forts and everything... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:12:58 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RH on Jerry Atric I'm told that Robyn definitely wasn't on Jerry Sadowitz's TV show last night. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:14:16 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #334 James Dignan wrote: > > Edgware) that follow g with a consonant where the g is soft. but that 'w' is pretty much a 'u' stand-in, so it's almost a vowel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:36:22 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Dropping your Rs and Ns - -- fegmaniax-digest is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 20. November 2000 4:08 Uhr -0500 regarding fegmaniax-digest V9 #336: > Apparently one of the least favourite things about Scottish people > reported is that they have this habit of enunciating every consonant; > both Rs in 'February' and 'Library', and the Ns in 'mnemonic', > 'autumnal' and 'government'. And why not? Hmm, not being a native speaker I'm a bit surprised. OK, my phonetic transcription classes were almost a decade ago, but still... Which Rs does anybody else drop in 'February' and 'Library'? I'm obviously familiar with the difference in pronunciation between the US and the UK, but still I thought all Rs were present there, if only slightly. As for 'mnemonic', I thought you drop the initial M there, not the N!? 'Autumnal' sounds fine to me with its N preserved, but 'government' makes for a very awkward consonant cluster, if you ask me ;-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ taz muss sein. abomail@taz.de http://www.taz.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:22:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: item of interest (99 44/100% RH content) On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > hi, a book on robyn hitchcock it'll be out soon (december) published by > stampa alternativa edizioni in english/italian language. it'll be > CD-format size and it'll feature tre untrealised track by hitchcock; a > brand new interview; paintings, rare lyrics and poems and a big > discography. This sounds as if it's in the same series as a Syd Barrett volume I picked up (at an outrageous price) a couple of years ago. It contained a mini-CD of the Floyd playing "I'm a king bee" (unmemorable) and "Lucy leave" (interesting for completists) from a '66 recording session. The highlight of the volume was an interview with Syd's sister, which had been published in Italian, and then _re-translated_ into English! Well-nigh incomprehensible in places... There were also some reproductions of paintings by Syd which were quite good. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Watch out for Little Cycle Annie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:35:15 +0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Re: RH on Jerry Atric On 20/11/00, at 9:12, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >I'm told that Robyn definitely wasn't on Jerry Sadowitz's TV show last >night. Robyn may not have been on, but they *did* have Keith Harris telling cock gags! What more do you want??! - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:32:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: RH on Jerry Atric On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Matt Browne wrote: > Robyn may not have been on, but they *did* have Keith Harris telling cock > gags! Orville must have been shocked! He prefers duck gags... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:04:27 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Respect extras In a message dated 11/20/00 2:34:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << >AND >PLEASE, what is up with that horrible version of Allright Yeah. Are things >so crappy that he has to take a 2 year old B-Side and release it as a single? I'd never heard it before. How was it better in the original version? >> Drew, you are missing out on an incredible moment in the career of one of your favorite artists! If you have Napster and you don't have moral issues with it, get on there and download the original version of Allright Yeah. If you have trouble finding it, I will gladly tape it for you (I don't have a CD burner yet but if you do, let me know) That would lead me to believe that you also missed the glorious tune "The Live In Years". Dude- Get thee to Napster. I only have this tune in MP3 format, and it is wonderful. When you put Bright Fresh Flower(the 3rd B-Side from the Respect era), you will have a startling revelation. Robyn could have released a very different CD. Wafflehead should have been a b-side. Also take off when I was dead or then your dust, and replace them with the better tunes he left off the album, and you'll get a picture of a brilliant guy who makes not-so-good career decisions. These are the last Egyptian tunes you probably haven't heard, and you owe it to yourself to seek them out and enjoy them. <> OUCH! How can you include Wafflehead with 2 radio-friendly tunes????? <> Alas, for me, the horns DO ruin the song. They sound horrible. An Egyptian treatment could have yielded Robyn one of his Biggest hits... As for Heliotrope, it's not even a close race. Maybe it's cause I'm a singer, but those backing vocals on Mossy make me all weepy every time I hear them (which is not often enough cause of that STUPID vinyl)---BTW, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE WAS EVER A DIGITAL COPY OF MOSSY RELEASED- Even as a promo??? Sorry to shout, but I'd love to know if this ever happened <> Come on Drew... The turntable is not dead, but it's overall presence has been greatly diminished. I doubt I'm the only person on this list who owns Mossy, but doesn't have his turntable hooked up. Honestly, with CD Players, DVD, Laserdisc, Sony Playstation, Nintendo 64, etc, There is no room in the house to hook up an archaic device that plays my shoddy old records that would skip all over the place when my 2 Beagles start playing in it's vicinity (that's Ally McBeagle & Buster, for those who care) <> I find the tune rambling and dull. But I'll give it a few more listens. The horrible gunk that surrounds it on CD probably colored my opinion of it. But man, it's no You and Oblivion. It's no Railway Shoes... And what I meant is that the CD on the whole lacks an emotional punch. It's stale. One emotional song just isn't enough for me. Even if Guildford ends up my favorite song someday, the CD still lacks the Punch!!! <> No, it's quite easy for me to imagine. I just saw The Grinch last night, so I have an idea of what you're talking about. Whoville is a very nice place. No Puddies (sorry, I just had to). But my tone is not what I'd call bigoted. It's a shame you confuse my political beliefs with bigotry. Patriotism, the American Dream, education, getting up off your fat sorry ass and doing something about your miserable life, not making bad decisions, taking responsibility for bad decisions, taking responsibility for your life, being responsible... If that's bigotry then sign me up!!!!!! Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Americans!! On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Apparently one of the least favourite things about Scottish people > reported is that they have this habit of enunciating every consonant; > both Rs in 'February' and 'Library', and the Ns in 'mnemonic', > 'autumnal' and 'government'. And why not? This, more than anything else (besides my last name and my pale skin) proves my Scottish-ness. I pronounce all the consonants in all those words (okay, well except for mnemonic. What are you, insane?). Also, people are annoyed by me. I'm not sure if the two are related, but it's possible. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Dropping your Rs and Ns On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Which Rs does anybody else drop in 'February' and 'Library'? I'm > obviously familiar with the difference in pronunciation between the US > and the UK, but still I thought all Rs were present there, if only > slightly. In America, at least, many people say "Feb-you-wary" and "lie-barry." However, neither is universal, and both are considered rather declasse, if not completely wrong. > As for 'mnemonic', I thought you drop the initial M there, not the N!? > 'Autumnal' sounds fine to me with its N preserved, but 'government' > makes for a very awkward consonant cluster, if you ask me ;-) You're right: if any sound in "mnemonic" is dropped, it's the initial M. I always try to pronounce both the M and N in "mnemonic," but then, I'm a freak. (Actually, the word rarely comes up in conversation, outside of discussions of William Gibson short stories and Keanu Reeves movies.) Dropping the middle N in "government" is very common, but less frequent in "governmental," where the accent is on the "ment." Caveat: As anyone who's ever met me in person can tell you, I'm not an expert on any aspect of speech! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:52:33 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Puddyin on the witz Blatzy: Then comes the Moss/Mossy mess. 2 >records for the price of one. I'd prefer 1 CD with 10 great tunes, and a >few >singles for Trilobite b-sides. And multiple versions of one song? >Heliotrope, on Mossy, has wonderful backing vocals that the CD version left >off. Brian Nupped: Wow, it's funny how we Robyn fans differ in opinions of these albums! I personally think Moss/Mossy was Robyn's best effort, the pinnacle of his work. And I love Respect. I hated Moss when I 1st heard it. I even stopped listening to Robyn for about 2 years (and missed a few great shows I've lived to regret). Then it really grew on me. But I love the multipul versions. It gives me a different perspective of the songs. I hear things I normally wouldn't. I would much rather have too many song (in Robyn's case) than not enough, or just enough. Yeah, that Mossy Heliotrope is better, I like the x-tra guitar at the end. Blatzy: >His production decisions bit the big one. He had all the elements there at >his fingertips to make a great CD, and he floundered. Nuppy: No way. I can't agree. His "lack" of production was the saving grace on these tunes in my opinion. If you get a chance read what Robyn says about this album at the Museum. Check it out under the discography. It made me appreciate this album(s) more. The Blatzman: And why the hell bother with a swedish version. Who the hell is going to >listen to that? The Nupper: The Swedes! Bltz: >And Devil's Radio was SCREAMING for a real band to play it. He shot >himself >in the foot with that one. Npp: Loved it. Bltz: Nasa Clapping is so trendy and weak and just >plain BORING. Npp: Loved it! > Blatzy: >I'm waiting for the Egyptians to get back together. Nuppy: That would be cool! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:52 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: mmmm...democracy >From: JH3 >end up having for dinner? Probably a can of Heinz baked beans! *Ugh!* Mmmmm...baked beans. >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > >Michael R Godwin wrote: >> >> Well, I would've almost dropped the "u" (is it a "schwa", or am I making >> that up?) and pronounced it "Al-you-mini-'m". > >It's a schwa all right. When I start my car this morning, Baby Bird's (or is it Babybird's? I'm always forgetting) "A-l'-min-y'm Beach" will be playing. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen.com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:43:52 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Re: RH on Jerry Atric when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed: >I'm told that Robyn definitely wasn't on Jerry Sadowitz's TV show last >night. a fellow who does the tv listings for the guardian e-mailed me that, according to the information provided by channel 5, the episode which robyn is on will be aired on december 3 at 11:30pm. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:45:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: what a country On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, dmw wrote: > no, this is true in practice! i started modelling this based on some > broad assumptions, but i just found hard data for florida on CNN's website > (pre-recount): > bush: 2909175 > gore: 2907437 > nader: 96837 > brown: 18856 > buchanan: 17356 > phillips: 4280 > hagelin: 2287 Well, the French presidential election system provides a fair way of resolving this kind of situation. If there is a plurality (i.e. no single candidate gets 50% + 1 vote), the top two candidates go forward to a second round ballot the following week (or semaine). Their supporters then have to persuade the minority-candidate voters to jump one way or the other, and you are bound to get a clear winner (or gagniste [I made that word up] ). - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:38:04 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Minor star f*cking with a minor review I caught the Cinerama (members of the Wedding Present) show at the Knitting Factory (NYC) on Friday night. To anyone who's not been down there it's actually quite a good place to see a band: it's small (200 people), but steamy hot and it's pretty much standing-room only. They played for about an hour and sounded quite good. Sarah and I (with about 12 other people) had seen them two years ago on Halloween night at CT College. They had only been together about two months at the time and are much, much more polished now. The new material is more akin to the Weddoes stuff than the last album. A fan/friend of the band had gotten a hold of some lovely rose-tinted French go-go movies from the 60s and played them on a screen over the band while doing a nice job syncing it up to the music. Very entertaining. After the show I left and met up with some old college friends and hit up BarCode on 46th and Broadway (ugh...haven't been double carded to get in anywhere in years--much less wanded by a simian). Perhaps all the sheltered time I've spent in CT has made me soft, but at $8.50 for my drink I wasn't opposed to leaving. I pawned my watch, and after two generous cups of gin (they called them martinis but I'm not so sure), we headed to Rocky Sullivan's on 28th street. Within a half hour of settling in for a good binge all of Cinerama and a few hangers on (including the film guy) showed up for a bit of drinking. Rather surreal. To anyone who gives a rat's ass (just one), Gedge said that the Wedding Present hasn't broken up and that they will be doing new material; it's just that no one, much less him, had thought that the side band would be as well received as it has been. They're back in the UK by now and doing a short tour. After most of them had left I spoke to the guitarist and another guy for a bit (animated discussion over what the best Husker Du record was) and he turned out to work for and/or own (can't remember) SpinArt records. Really nice guy--amazed that he would've randomly run into someone who had heard of--much less owned--any music off his label. All in all the band was very gracious--the guitarist's a riot. They're on track and the new disc's quite good. Their last number ('Wow,' off the newest) was as close to the old Weddoes as...well...the actual band. Good stuff. Back to your regularly scheduled program(me)(s). ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) "We keep you alive to serve this ship, so row well... and live" - Ben Hur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:39:03 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Minor star f*cking with a minor review And yes, there's a MD of the show, and, yes, it came out good. I'm in the process of updating the show list. When it's complete I'll let y'all know. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas, Ferris > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:46 PM > To: the oracle (E-mail) > Subject: Minor star f*cking with a minor review > > I caught the Cinerama (members of the Wedding Present) show at the > Knitting Factory (NYC) on Friday night... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:15:30 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: underworld gig I was standing right next to Jerry Sadowitz at the gig. He seemed to be enjoying it immensely. I didn't jot a set-list down I'm afraid. It was a pretty exhilarating evening all in all. Highlights - No I Don't Remember Guildford, Queen Of Eyes, IODOT, a rockin' version of Oceanside and, above all, a storming rendition of America. He prefaced this by saying that he'd been asked to form an interim govt. in the US but had turn them down because he had a couple of gigs in Sweden... jmbc. PS. Tony B. can probably can probably come up with a better set-list than me. Sorry to land you in it there, Tone...:-) PPS. Apparently Robyn and Andy Metcalfe are not on speaking terms and are unlikely to be reconciled in the near future. Makes one wonder about I Wish I Liked You... PPS. I'm not a big Moss Elixir fan, but the last two albums are up in my top five. Hey! I disagree with Blatz-boy on Robyn as well!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:09:48 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: great photo >There's a great pix of Robyn on e-bay. I think it's from around the 1980 >era. as jeme mentioned, it's from the Face Of Death seven-incher. the picture has been online at for quite some time. however, this is a much better scan, so looks like time to update. >Was this single a bootleg or an official release? somebody (aidan?) was explaining this not so long ago. alas, my memory's hazy. i think it was something like: overground is run by a longtime acquaintance of robyn --> he (the acquaintance) didn't receive permission to release the RAW CUTS stuff --> but robyn didn't mind. bayard? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:15:06 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: grandma >Well, I really didn't intend for the comma after "sauce" to become an >issue. The extra comma I meant was the one after "cereal." > >Change the sample sentence to something similar, if you like. "I bought >eggs, cereal and spaghetti sauce, then checked into a sanitarium. " I just >can't warm to adding another comma after "cereal" -- I think it makes the >sentence much harder to read. But obviously, some style guides disagree. put a comma after "cereal" and a semicolon after "sauce". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:17:06 -0800 From: Asshole Motherfucker Subject: Re: underworld gig >PPS. Apparently Robyn and Andy Metcalfe are not on speaking terms and are >unlikely to be reconciled in the near future. Makes one wonder about I Wish >I Liked You... also makes one wonder whether he's going to participate in the soft boys tours. nothing against matthew (who i'm sure will be either way), but it just wouldn't be right without andy. what is your source, john? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:21:56 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: underworld gig PPS. Apparently Robyn and Andy Metcalfe are not on speaking terms and are >unlikely to be reconciled in the near future. Makes one wonder about I Wish >I Liked You... Did this come from Robyn's lips? Damn, that probably means he won't be on the Soft Boys reunion tour. Well I hope Matthew is, I've never seen him play, that would be a treat. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:40:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: black round things Blatzy-Watzy: >Come on Drew... The turntable is not dead, but it's overall presence has been >greatly diminished. I doubt I'm the only person on this list who owns Mossy, >but doesn't have his turntable hooked up. Jeez, I *hope* you are. Are Fgz so firmly in the CD camp? Sure, I've only bought about 20 records during the last three years, but on the whole, vinyl still accounts for over a fourth of my collection. Is that percentage really so high? >Ally McBeagle And why isn't Robyn speaking to Andy? I hadn't heard this before. I didn't think Robyn was the feudin' type. Eb, who has bought fairly essential, not-available-on-CD albums by Jethro Tull, Graham Parker and Tim Buckley during the past year or so... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:09:26 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Cafe del Mar >Jeez, I *hope* you are. Are Fgz so firmly in the CD camp? Sure, I've only >bought about 20 records during the last three years, but on the whole, >vinyl still accounts for over a fourth of my collection. Is that percentage >really so high? No, I buy records all the time. Especially if I see an old classic that I've wanted to hear, and can buy for a couple of $'s instead of paying more for the CD. Also I've been listening to a lot of Electronic Music, and much of it is only available on vinyl. I've been wondering: Has anyone else gotten into Jose Padilla's Cafe del Mar albums? I know it's completely different from the Hitchcock vibe, but this down tempo music is excellent for relaxing or background music at most any gathering. Really good music. Not so good on the lyrical side always because many of the songs compiled are instrumentals. Jose Padilla started in 1994 (through 1999, 6 volumes in all) with volume 1. He compiled different "chill-out" music for each volume: William Orbit, Dusty Springfield/Burt Bachrach, traditional ethnic beats mixed with hip hop, slow jazzy piano and classical guitar to name just a few. Drew, I think you'd really dig this stuff, if you haven't already checked it out. I think you can sample it at amazon.com This is the stuff that pulled me away from Robyn's music back in 95/96 so be careful, I think it's that good. Nuppster _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:11:43 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Hitchcock gigs (fwd) I received this in email, and thought it might be of general interest (until i can update the chronology: http://www.fegmania.org/chrono.html ) The orginal text quoted is mostly Matthew Knights'. Many thanks to him and also to Mr Lucas. _ Hi I was looking at the Fegmania website and reading the bio. I was at some of the gigs mentioned. And have the following observations 'Easter 1980 or 81. Soft Boys play at The Moonlight Club, West Hendon, London. One stoned/drunk adoring female fan strips topless, leaves the audience, gets up on stage and writhes kneeling in front of Robyn's feet for several songs. Robyn and SB's ignore her and carry on playing. Eventually she is pulled off by bouncers. The club still exists but is now just a pub and has been renamed many times since then.' I was there and heard of the Soft Boys splitting a few days later. I remember them doing songs that I later heard as Hitchcock solo numbers such as 'Eaten by her own dinner', 'We are all dancing on gods thumb' etc. A few months later I played there with a band supporting a very early incarnation of Katrina and the Waves - just called The Waves. 'April 81. A month after the SB's split Robyn appeared at the Hope & Anchor, Islington, London with a full band including someone on trumpet, someone (Seligman? -bc) on keyboards and Morris on drums. I remember hearing "Brenda's Iron Sledge" and "Acid Bird".' Matthew Seligman was playing bass. I seem to remember Robyn announcing the group as 'Robyn Hitchcock and the New Apes' 'July 9th 1981. Robyn plays at "The Venue", Victoria, London. This was a solo performance with lots of dancing girls hired to dance on stage in fish costumes. The girls were part of the act, all had the same costume and danced very well in time to the music! There was an elaborate stage set as well - fish were very much in evidence! "The Venue" has since been converted into a Garfunkel's.' Actually all the band except Robyn had fish heads on and there were a couple of fish headed people sitting at a cafe table on stage behind the band being served by a fish head waiter. I don't remember fish head dancing girls, but it was a liong time ago. I think the band was then called the Robyn Hitchcock Orchestra. I almost took my camera but didn't. Other things: My brother played bass in a Cambridge R&B band in the mid 70s called Sheboygan. Morris Windsor was the drummer and Rob Lamb the guitarist. I think Dennis and the Experts came straight after this. My brother can remember doing a gig with Robyn Hitchcock supporting as a solo acoustic act. He told me the story that one time Rob Lamb broke his thumb and Kimberley Rew stood in and played all Rob's parts perfectly without any rehearsal. I first saw The Soft Boys in about may 1978 at the F Club in Leeds. This was a punk club and the rest of the audience hated the band. I remember Jim Melton coming off stage mid set and taking a heckler into the dressing room with him. When I moved to London in '79 I saw The Soft boys about a dozen times. Firstly the Can of Bees line up at The Nashville then the Underwater Moonlight lineup several times at The 101 Club in Clapham, and later at the Hope and Anchor and the Moonlight Club. After the split I went to see the Waves first gig at the H&A. It seemed like everyone who'd been a Soft Boy was there including Rob Lamb and Jim melton. By the way I remember seeing an incarnation of The waves in Cambridge before The Soft Boys were invented. This was when Sheboygan were on the go - about '76 I think. Best wishes Egly Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:19:49 -0500 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Live at the Portland Arms For anyone who doesn't have a copy for themselves, there's a copy on ebay right now. Type in keyword: 504185612 This really is a great record, I'd love to see it on CD someday. (Hey I like CDs too!) Brian Nupp _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:47:02 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: robyn and andy Andy played bass for Julian Dawson and Kimberley's joint gigs earlier this year. After one them I asked why Robyn hadn't made a guest appearance; after all several other musos did, and he wasn't playing anywhere else at the time. It's unfair to say who, but someone in the entourage (not Kim or Andy) made a remark which could only be construed one way (suggesting a fairly serious rift between A & R), and then seemed embarrassed that they'd made it. I'm sorry I brought it up, it makes me feel embarrassed as well. jmbc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #337 *******************************